Maple Leafs defenceman Jake Gardiner presents team with dilemma

The human conundrum that is Jake Gardiner may end up challenging the relationship between Maple Leafs coach Randy Carlyle and general manager Dave Nonis.

On one side is Carlyle, often frustrated by Gardiner’s play and decision making, not committed to playing the young defenceman every night and in every situation.

The talented but erratic Gardiner would represent a challenge for any coach. But for a coach who demands specifics as much as Carlyle does, this almost seems like a relationship doomed to fail.

This is where Nonis fits in. He has the patience of Job. He’s not willing to make a determination of Gardiner, either way, this early.

He believes too many teams have made mistakes determining the fate of young defencemen, way too soon. It’s his inclination to allow Gardiner to develop at whatever speed is necessary. Carlyle, who hasn’t said as much, can’t possibly agree.

What neither Carlyle nor Nonis can answer for certain now: Who is Jake Gardiner? And what kind of player will he be?

And when, and under what parameters, will all that happen?

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/30/maple-leafs-defenceman-jake-gardiner-presents-team-with-dilemma


75 Responses to Maple Leafs defenceman Jake Gardiner presents team with dilemma

  1. leafy says:

    Carlyle is an idiot and should be canned immediately.

    (sorry Mojo)

  2. leafy says:

    If it comes down to keeping either A) Jake Gardiner or B) Randy Carlyle, whom in their rightful mind would pick Carlyle?

  3. lafleur10 says:

    CRY BABY CARLYLE should be fired leafy i agree with you i think the leafs could do better with another coach

  4. leafy says:

    Hey Lafleur, watch the last 3 goals of this clip from Gardiner’s rookie season – scroll to 1:40 and onward.
    From his rookie season. Gives you a taste of his talent.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlkxlM_lQCM

  5. lafleur10 says:

    leafy thanks, i did watch i’m not saying the kid isn’t talented but he just doesn’t bring some games he looks like he could be pk and some games he looks like brisebois meaning that he’s 23 and should be an all star or a regular i know they take time young defenceman like him…but if you look at subban for instance our 1st year he brought him up for the last 2 regular season games he scored in both of them and he played in the playoffs and domintaed like gardiner did at times last year or you guys ,but the differnce is subban came back the following year made the team and kept getting better and better and now has a norris trophy and will most likely win again or be a finalist …he’s the same age as gardiner as well ..i also believe gardnier was picked before him in the draft subban was picked in the 2nd rd 43 overall….. we have another one in our system that could be like him too nathan beaulieu we aren’t rushing him and developing him properly and it’s going to payoff i think like i said this kid show’s his potential but i think has brain relapses and has to many mental mistakes he’s gets benched or scratched and loses his confidence (that’s carlyle’s fault) though

  6. lafleur10 says:

    but yeh leafy i think carlyle is to blame for some of gardiner’s under development if he would coach the kid and tell him what he’s doing wrong instead of scratching him or benching him would help,by doing that stuff to the kid it doesn’t help him it show’s him that his coach doesn’t trust him or want help him ….what the leafs need leafy is a larry robinson type or robinson himself to be brought in to coach him look at what he’s done with defenceman in the league such as niedermayer,doughty,larrson vlasic etc around the league he’s the perfect mento and coach for a young guy like gardiner ….imagine what he could do for a kid like that he’d be a subban with robinson! what do you think leafy?

    • mojo19 says:

      I’m pretty sure Carlyle is coaching Gardiner and telling him what he’s doing wrong. If Gardiner gets scratched, even after a really good game its most likely because he made one kind of mistake which Carlyle has been telling him about and so he punishes the kid to teach him a lesson. Let’s not forget Randy Carlyle is a Norris Trophy winner, and former 90+ point dman. He knows what he’s talking about when he talks to guys like Gardiner and Rielly.

      I love how people have absolutely no clue what’s going on in a dressing room and all kinds of conclusions are drawn.

      • LN91 says:

        The trouble with the Leafs is…They have a bunch of players that just got paid. Clarkson, Bozak, and some degree Kessel have not been as hard-working as they probably were last season.

        • lafleur10 says:

          i think clarkson is way, way over payed and not worth that money the leafs are paying that’s a contract that will have them in trouble if it doesn’t already same withy bozak there’s no way he’s worth what they are paying him

          • lafleur10 says:

            I personally think that the David Clarkson contract and putative Dion Phaneuf contracts are going to be being anchors around the Leafs’ necks. I understand the benefit of sewing up your assets, but sometimes you’re better off letting players walk when they’re not cost-effective, as the Canadiens did this spring by not qualifying Yannick Weber.

      • lafleur10 says:

        well if he is then obviously something is stalling gardiner’s development?!

        • mojo19 says:

          Gardiner is an offensive minded dman who has a lot of work to do on his game to be a reliable NHL’er. The learning curve he’s facing isn’t anything to over think or over react about.

      • leafy says:

        True, but one can be a good hockey player but not a good teacher, and vice versa.

        My dad use to tell me Pat Quinn was a horrible hockey player, but there’s no denying the guy could coach, especially a great offensive system.

        Pat Burns, Ken Hitchcock, and Mike Babcock weren’t anything you’d call NHL players but great coaches. And tons of other examples.

        Conversely, Gretzky was the pits as coach.

        But even if we forget that, what I don’t understand is how a team like the Leafs, which now has some pretty decent talent – both upfront and at D – can continuously play game after game where we have the puck for only 30-40% of the time and can’t break out of our zone or muster anything that resembles a sustained attack. It’s frustrating to watch game after game.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          It’s just not the right mix yet Leafy as I see it. We have one real wall grinder, Clarkson. Lupul is good but always hurt. We have one good playmaking centre, Kadri, but he is hot and cold and you never know what he is going to do next. The D is a mish mash of similar talent that has not gelled much at all.
          As you know, good young talent doesn’t always mean good hockey. Like building team Canada, the debate will be…take the best players(most talented)available OR try to build a team of needed talents for all situations and pick players who already have chemistry. Personally, I prefer the latter.

        • mojo19 says:

          You’re right leafy, if only we had a coach who has won a Stanley Cup… Oh wait. Listen, the problem isn’t Carlyle unless its from a motivational stand point, because his systems and his style of play (which we’re not currently playing) is a winning formula. I just wish we were playing that way.

          The way I see it we need a really good centre (or two) and a defenceman or two, or else some of our current dmen have to step up big time. We’re so weak down the middle the system is bound to collapse.

          Kadri can put up offence but he’s a terrible centre away from the puck a lot of the time. Bozak is limited with the puck and at best is just keeping up out there, meanwhile you’ve got AHL’ers like Smith, Holland, and Smithson relied upon to step up and play more than they should be playing. Only McClement is really reliable but his offensive side and finish around the net is abysmal.

          We miss Bolland, but we need more down the middle.

  7. LN91 says:

    I just do not understand how trading a young talented defencemen will help.

    As of right now, the Leafs are pretty much in trouble as they screwed up an easy schedule to start the year. I do not understand how trading youth will be the greatest move for this squad right now.

    • leafy says:

      Agreed, but I’ll add, if they can fix their play, then it doesn’t matter who they play, they can win and in any building. But not the way they’re playing now.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      The trading of young talent will all depend on how close Leaf brass feel they are to contending. If they feel they are still building, then young talent stays and they are not going to trade young talent. If they feel it is better to build NOW around the 27 year old+ crowd, then young talent may be moved for a piece that will be valuable for the now and up to 5 years that they could likely contend around the current 27+ crowd.(simplifying ages a bit for argument sake).
      All the talk about HUGE cap increases are not helping in some ways. The last cap was projected to be around $80 mil when the CBA expired…it fell quite a bit short. If the Leafs get too caught up in the endless cap hype…they may make some really bad signings and moves.
      But, to my point.
      Group A-The 27 and up crowd includes Lupul, McClement, Clarkson, Phaneuf, Gunnar, Orr, Bozak, Fraser, Kulimen, Raymond and Ranger of any importance.
      Group B-The 26 and under crowd is Kessel, Kadri, Franson, Rielly, JVR, McLaren, Holland, Ashton, Gardiner, Reimer and Bernier plus prospects like Percy, MacWilliam, Grandberg, Lievo etc.
      The 27 up crowd are in their prime, so the window of them being Top important pieces is getting shorter. The fact they signed Clarkson and Bozak suggests they feel they aren’t far off.
      I really don’t think they will trade our young talent unless they feel it’s a “too good” kind of deal. The big decision will be made on Phaneuf. If Leaf brass feel they will contend soon and up to five years, they will give Phaneuf his money. If they feel they are 2-3 years off being real contenders, then Dion will likely have to accept less money to stay or be dealt at some point or let walk if a deal can’t be reached.

  8. mojo19 says:

    I think if we are still in the hunt towards Christmas we should move our 1st and maybe a prospect for Paul Stastny. Another deal I have is Fraser for Klesla ($ saver for Phoenix, trying to dump Klesla)

    Check these lines out if healthy (with LTIR cap space banked we should have enough by deadline to fit this in)

    J.V.R. – Stastny – Kessel
    Lupul – Bolland – Kadri
    Ray – Bozak – Clarkson
    Kuley – McClem – Orr

    Phaneuf – Gunner
    Klesla – Franson
    Rielly – Gardiner
    Ranger

    I think getting Franson away from the kids will be good. Stick him with a vet and let him focus on roaming a bit, making a pinch for the hit, etc. without having to worry about being the babysitter for Jake Gardiner and he’ll excel. He can’t watch out for a kid, he’s relatively young and inexperienced himself. He’s going through his own learning curve and a veteran dman could go a long way in our line up.

    • mojo19 says:

      By towards Christmas I meant the trade deadline. Got Christmas on the brain.

    • mojo19 says:

      Seriously, plug that whole at top line centre with someone competent, get healthy with Bolland and watch the rest of the pieces slide down the ladder a bit. It’s actually a pretty good looking team, but you need those strong centres at the top to make the whole thing work.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      I’m not sure if I’m thrilled with the D there,haha but I agree with the philosophy. And you are dead on about Franson, I have been trying to get across the same points. It would be really hard to say we didn’t miss him Saturday.

      • mojo19 says:

        Ya D still not ready, but we’re in a bit of a bind. I mean no one really wants to get rid of Gardiner and Rielly, so we just have to be patient with them. Unfortunately that’s just the way it goes.

        In 2-3 years from now it will be nice if Rielly and Gardiner are these two dominant forces on the back end, logging 22+ minutes a night each. But for now we’ll have to live with some young mistakes back there.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          It would be nice.
          To me
          Gardiner similar to Mike Green
          Rielly similar to Brian Leetch.

          Let’s say Phaneuf and Gunnar stay for the additional years after Gardiner/Rielly are more ready and remove Franson, Ranger and Fraser (as most seem to want to).

          Is Phaneuf, Gunnar, Gardiner and Rielly a good mix? All lefties to start with. Phaneuf, Rielly and Gardiner need to play top 4 minutes. Is there a combo there that looks like it could work? If we are thinking Rielly will be a top pairing D and he and Dion do not seem like a good fit…can we pay Dion $7mil per to possibly be on our second pairing?
          I would like us to find a good vet, under 30 years old to play with Rielly like LA had Scuderi for Doughty, Pit had Orpik for Letang, Ottawa got Methot for Karlsson etc.
          As I’ve said, I don’t think we have the right mix on D. We have to make some changes.

      • reinjosh says:

        I’d give that argument a chance. I’ve grown from being a supporter of Franson in the early days as his time as a Leaf, to being a critic. But that’s an interesting idea, that he’s watching out for the kids. Not sure I agree, but I’ll watch for that next game.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          Look at it this way Josh. Do you think Dion or Gunnar would be as effective if they always played with Gardiner and Rielly over each other? Would Dion still be a +12? Does Gunnar look that good when not paired with Dion?
          Think of the mistakes you see Gardiner and Rielly make per game and Franson almost always plays with one or the other. How is his game not affected?

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            I am going to ignore NTC’s for a minute and throw this out there. It has nothing to do with “wanting” to move the players suggested it is to hopefully improve the team as a whole.

            To Vancouver
            Bozak, Fraser, Reimer
            To Toronto
            Bieksa, Lack.

            It may seem like an overpayment from some Leaf fans point of view, but Bieksa and Lack are under contract for two more seasons and Fraser is a UFA and Reimer a RFA.

            Our D could be
            Gunnar/Phaneuf
            Rielly/Bieksa
            Gardiner/Franson
            Ranger

            Bernier/Lack is not bad.

            • reinjosh says:

              I don’t usually like your proposed deals. Like ever.

              But I really like this one. Opens up a hole in our center spot, but no more than already exists to be honest.

              Only issue I see is cap. I’m not sure Vancouver would want to add that much of a hit to their cap.

              I’ve actually thought a Bozak/Bieksa swap might work. Vancouver always seems to be looking for that 2nd line center (they have long been using Kesler as a winger and want to move him their permanently) and they’ve had interest in Bozak before. Bieksa fits a need on the Leafs for a RH’d dman. And salaries are pretty close.

          • reinjosh says:

            Oh I’m willing to entertain the idea but honestly, from watching Franson’s play individually, I’m skeptical. I just don’t think the two are making as pronounced a problem playing with him as you think.

            But I think it’s a theory that could hold water and I’d definitely like to see if playing Franson with someone else would change his game play for the better.

            • leemon says:

              I agree watching franson and ranger play they both have been making a lot of lazy plays in their own end. Forcing Reilly and gardiner to make high risk plays or getting caught. that’s not to say they don’t make mistakes. But Carlyle giving Ranger and franson as much ice time as they been given. id rather see them bring up holzer and bring in Gleason in a trade for liles. Or look for a No.2 type d-man. Nothing against gunner but he’s Not a top 2 type. and if we traded him we wouldn’t get a top2 package in return. However I believe that unless its to bring in a No.1 center. holding on to Gardiner is the best option. some of the best d-man in the league have come out of coach/player conflicts. what’s going on right now is growing pains, They’ll figure it out. I just hope they don’t give up on him at the drop of a hat cause of a few bad plays. Remember up until recently Gardiner’s been playing almost 20mins a game so he must be doing something right

              • Gambo says:

                Holzer is garbage, we all saw that last year. Time to move on from him. And Gardiner is still playing 20 mins a night, actually much more than that, 25:30 last game.

                Gunnar is fine as a number 2 behind Dion, he just needs to stop attempting to be offensive, it’s embarrassing watching him try to rush up the ice.

                • leafy says:

                  Agreed. I didn’t like Holzer at all. He makes Franson look like Ray Bourque.

                  • leemon says:

                    lol well I guess. my point though was pretty much was that id like to see some Defensive d-men with a bit of a mean streak. Gunnarson while a good steady dman is I bit soft, positionaly sound. but just doesn’t punish guys for goin to the net Frasor is that type, but injury has slowed him and another guy with that type toughness is needed. and to be fair Holzer hasn’t been given much of a chance to stick. and also a dman with a mean streak on the pk would be nice instead of letting these guys set up shop in front the goalie.

  9. 93killer93 says:

    I’m kind of surprised Connor Brown didn’t at least get an invite to camp for the World Juniors. Considering he leads the OHL in scoring, and he plays with McDavid.

    • Gambo says:

      And no invite for Max Domi, that surprised me.

    • LN91 says:

      My surprise was Matt Finn and Darnell Nurse…2 of the best defencemen in the OHL.

      Seriously though:

      – Ekblad 26 GP, 23 points (9G, 14A), -4
      – Nurse, 25 GP, 28 points (8G, 20A), +5
      – Finn, 26 GP, 25 points (7G, 18A), +24!!!!!

      Connor Brown is also a good example. He’s torching the OHL this year and he’s the type of player that does everything for Erie, while wearing the C.

      But who knows, it’s not like Team Canada has been picking very good teams as of late. Look at Tyler Toffoli.

  10. LN91 says:

    How much do the Leafs miss Leo Komarov?

    Similar to Brandon Prust in MTL or Brad March in Bos, that was the Leafs energy player. He was their spark plug for energy and would set the tone for the entire squad for his physical play.

    Just look at how the Leafs play this year, it’s just sluggish and very soft.

  11. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Watching the game and that Thornton goal on the 5 on 3 as a direct result of Pavelski tripping Bozak is another example of Leafs getting hosed by terrible refs. Same as Malkin’s running Bernier for the tying goal and taking back Phaneuf’s against Montreal. Every game the Leafs are getting at least a goal disadvantage while suffering bs calls.

    Not worried about the Leafs bouncing back after this slump.

    • LN91 says:

      Here we go, blaming refs…I guess you’re running out of excuses eh?

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Sorry I’m not a little queer like yourself that f’ing whines about gayness like corsi, moans whenever Bozak loses a faceoff or that the Leafs didn’t/aren’t getting a first overall pick. It’s socially inept betas like you that can’t enjoy the Leafs useless their in first place and whine rebuild whenever the slump for a week or two.

        Go jerk off to Hockey Futures projection for Storme and type something passive aggressive.

        • LN91 says:

          Haha, I love it when you get rattled…Truly shows how weak your arguments truly are.

          Enjoy the Leafs? Enjoy what? 1 playoff performance in about 10 years? If that’s what you’re proud then you must enjoy being mediocre. I apologize if I like how teams like San Jose or Boston is built, I guess I like true contenders.

          Leafs are getting exploited now, those first 10 games were merely a facade. You cannot win hockey games by getting outshot 2:1 on a regular basis, sorry…Will not happen. I agreed with mojo in the beginning, good hockey teams steal those games every one in awhile…But it’s not sustainable for a season.

          If the Leafs lose to Dallas and Ottawa, the schedule is not favorable to them, and 10th place is likely where they’re headed.

          • leafs_wallace93 says:

            I’m rattled? Which one of us menstrates whenever the Leafs are out played for five minutes? You’re just one of those people that are negative to the point of autism and fashion themselves a genius for it.

            Blah, blah, blah, give up on the season because the Leafs aren’t a top three team in the league. Drone on debbie.

            • LN91 says:

              Little to no arguments once again.

              Top-3? The Leafs had one of the easiest schedules in the league thus far an went 1-3-1 against the worst teams in the conference.

              • leafs_wallace93 says:

                Whatever, you don’t respond to criticism or account for reality or acknowledge the 2.5 billion that will elevate the cap in your short sighted paint by numbers internet fanboy tanking theory. So why bother?

                Boo hoo the Leafs aren’t Chicago, why even watch them then, huh.

                • LN91 says:

                  How much do you think the cap is going up? Seriously though?

                  Also, I looked it up and most reports saying it won’t go up at all next year, and if it does, it’s only 3 million.

                  Furthermore, with a higher salary cap comes a higher salary cap floor…So, the standard deviation in competitive balance does not change in this league.

                  The salary cap is nearly doubled since the 05-06 season and the Leafs still cannot outspend teams, so, you’re ‘salary-cap’ points are bogus.

                  Learn something kid.

                  • leafs_wallace93 says:

                    Lol, the cap is going up three? Ok, pretend there wasn’t 2.5 billion going to players revenue. Ignore that fact, not theory, or projection, stone cold fact. Right now Doug and Kyper are talking about how small markets will survive an inevitable 100 million dollar cap (or are they just scrubs too?). Do you get that retard? THE GAP WILL BE BIGGER, so floor teams will be miles away from ceiling teams, like it was before the cap and the Leafs added a Nieuwendyk, a Nolan, a Leech, Moginly, all good core part of a contending team. You’re not going to get that talent from the draft on a consistent basis, you need to get lucky and wait a long, long time. Again you’re too stubbornly uncritically stuck to a dying blueprint that doesn’t even work (Edmonton, Florida, NYI, Columbus, ect… failed rebuilds, care to account for these moron?).

                    You’d rather the Leafs neuter themselves spending wise so they can become the next Phoenix Coyotes. Wow… you’re so smart…

                    So if there is a window to lock players up before the cap gets ridiculous that would make pretty anyone a good deal. Phaneuf at 7 million? No big deal.

                    It’s these coming prospects and draft picks that will hit pay dirt. Hell, ELC might be making 4-5 by the end of this CBA. Is Clarkson and Bozak really going to look that bad in a couple years? Doubtful. So why f’ing gripe about day in day out.

                    Dunce.

    • Gambo says:

      Refs have been brutal towards the leafs this year, no question.

  12. TmLeafan says:

    I have no idea why Carlyle likes playing our 4th line so much. Cost us the game. Love Orr and Mcclaren but we are simply getting zero offense from our bottom 6, I think it needs to get revamped possibly by a trade. Target a Talbot type player who can be defensively responsible but chip in on offense.
    We are on a losing streak because we are relying on our top line to score at least 2 goals a game and our goalies to be lights out.

    Morgan Rielly looked real good out there, his potential is amazing. Brian Leetch was mentioned which would be nice but he looks like he could develop into a player like Duncan Keith.

  13. TmLeafan says:

    Meant to add to the above comment. We miss Komarov badly. He was what got that 4th line going last year.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      I know a lot of you think Franson is brutal defensively and have turned on him. Does he look as good as he did in last years playoffs? NO, but neither does Gardiner the partner he had last year.
      Last 2 games without Franson-
      Gardiner 0 pts -1
      Rielly 1 pt -5
      The kids aren’t tearing it up without him.

    • I hear you. We still miss Prust. We got Dorsett, but it’s not even close…

  14. reinjosh says:

    Let’s all remember we’re sort of having center issues right now. Kadri didn’t play again last night, and Bozak left and didn’t play the third period. That left us with the dangerous center contingent of Holland (who barely played anyways), Smith, Smithson and McClement.

    I’m not suggesting that everything would have been fine and dandy with them, but it would certainly go a long way to making things more competitive.

    • LN91 says:

      I agree. However, the Leafs centers without Bolland have not been very good.

      I still believe there are some unrealistic expectations of Kadri though. He’s a decent center, but not one to carry his team on his back. It’s a bit unfair to him.

      • reinjosh says:

        Especially when he’s either missing a capable offensive linemate like Lupul, or he’s the only center on the team with top 6 ability (when both Bolland and Kadri were out).

        We need to build some center depth on the team. It would help greatly. Holland isn’t a fix unfortunately.

        • LN91 says:

          It’s important to realize that Kadri has not been very good this year…He has top-6 ability, but he’s obviously not fully developed for even a second-line role.

          • reinjosh says:

            He’s clearly still learning but I wouldn’t say he has been not very good. He’s still playing effectively at the pace of a 2nd line center. He’s still very much growing but I wouldn’t sell him short. He’s certainly not playing below the level of a 2nd liner IMO.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      That’s true, but we had no Kadri, Bolland or Bozak for Kadri’s suspension and went 2w,1L. Not as tough of competition, but Gardiner was better and so was Rielly the one game he played.

      Franson is our only RH shot D and does a lot of little things that seems to get overlooked. I am not saying it’s all him, he has his faults, but we do miss him nonetheless.

      As for Holland, I really like his game so far. He has some size, his positioning is pretty good and he has some offensive skill and skates pretty well. He deserves more ice. Bozak has looked good since coming back from injury, best he had played this year, hope it’s minor and he can play like he was the last couple games. Kadri, I still don’t like his overall game, but don’t want to start a riot on here.lol
      Kills me how people will stick behind Kadri no matter what, but bail on Franson because he is not as good as he was last year/playoffs even though he is still leading the D in points, has the most hits and is adjusting to playing with different rookie partners game in and out and is asked to play an average of about 4 more minutes per night against tougher competition than has had to in the past. Yea, we better dump the guy.

      • reinjosh says:

        I think the whole RH’d thing is way overstated. But that’s more personal opinion than anything.

        And definitely fair about Franson. Although you should listen to your own advice and do the same for

      • reinjosh says:

        Accidently posted before I finished lol.

        I think the whole RH’d thing is way overstated. But that’s more personal opinion than anything.

        And definitely fair about Franson. Although you should listen to your own advice and do the same for Kadri 😉 Both are going through adjustments learning how to play now that they’ve had their breakout seasons and have to adjust to other teams knowing about them now and dealing with new linemates constantly (Kadri with players with more lower end to borderline top 6 offensive ability, Franson with young guys who are going through growing pains).

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          How am I not being fair to both. All my comments about Franson being better than given credit is a response to you guys trashing him. I have also said he has faults. As for Kadri, I have never been a huge fan. I like his skill, but have never liked his attitude (and I have seen him play live more than once). I have always complimented Kadri’s skill level. I was one of the few that were happy giving him a shot at first line centre over re-signing Bozak.
          No offense, but the point I was making was for you to take your own advice…not me.lol

          As for the RHD thing. Any NHL defenceman will tell you that playing their wrong side is very difficult and even tougher on kids like Rielly or Gardiner. It’s not my opinion, it’s fact it’s more difficult. Have you ever tried it?

          • reinjosh says:

            It’s a perceived attitude. It’s not even a true part of his game.

            And not a paragraph before you stated “Kadri, I still don’t like his overall game, but don’t want to start a riot on here.lol”

            That’s why I made the comment. I read it as doing the exact same thing you were telling others to no do to Franson. Could be I misinterpreted it but your response to me probably means I didn’t. Mentioning live playing, and referencing “was one of the only one’s” (a clear past reference, meaning you no longer hold the same idea), gives me enough reason to believe you aren’t paying attention to your own advice.

            And yeah I have played Right d as LH’d dman. It’s different but hardly the issue most people make it out to be. It’s quite common for teams to play LH’d dman on the right side. Detroit has been succesful for years with one RH’d dman on the team, and they currently have none. There’s just way too much put into this. Grabbing another RH’d dman isn’t going to magically fix things. It’s far from the issue people make it out to be.

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:

              I have played it as well Josh and being on your backhand most of the time is more difficult especially in passing situations. I never said an RHD will magically fix things. It will depend on who the D is and who he is intended to partner with. I take it you didn’t play in the NHL, so take what you played, multiply the speed of the game by a minimum of 3X and tell me it wouldn’t be more difficult on your backhand when you have even less time to make a play. Like I said, ask any NHL D-man. But if you don’t think it’s relevant, then I guess it isn’t.
              As for Kadri “was one of the only one’s” IS a past comment of course. It was pre Bozak signing. How could it not be a past reference? I still wish we had of went that way and used the cap space to possibly land a true number 1 centre. Think whatever you want about my intent…it’s not like you don’t take a shot at me everytime you post something about what I have written anyway. Like ever.lol

  15. I’m RHD that prefers playing on the left side. I don’t like the right side at all. I feel much more comfortable going 1-1 with somebody coming down the left side on me. Although, I also play left wing, so maybe it’s just a comfort side.

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