Markov agrees to 4 year deal with Montreal

www.RDS.ca is reporting that Andrei Markov has accepted the 4 year, 20 million dollar offer that Gainey laid on the table. Markov was one of 2 key players (Souray being the other) that Gainey was / is trying to get under contract before they become UFA’s on July 1rst.

I personally think that this is an important signing, and I’m glad that Markov will be with the team for 4 more years. Some will argue that the contract is high, but look at what others are making (Kaberle, Kubina…just to name a few). If Gainey didn’t offer it, someone else would.

IF Souray walks, which he may very well do, Markov will get more ice time and be looked at to quarterback the PP next season.

Your thoughts?


100 Responses to Markov agrees to 4 year deal with Montreal

  1. Habroller says:

    That is the thing. Both Markov and Kaberle play a very similar game. I would choose your exact same words to describe Markov. The small edge Kaberle has over Markov is due to the latter's younger age.

  2. tancred says:

    Question for the Montreal fans regarding Souray.  The guy played basically two and a quarter seasons for the Devils, one of the most defensive-minded teams in the league for the past decade or so.  You would have thought he would be able to play decent defense; usually if you can't play smart defensively, you don't play for the Devils.  So if my presumption is correct, what happened to Souray when he got to Montreal?  Certainly his offensive game improved by leaps and bounds.  But how is it that he's seemingly degenerated defensively?  

    I like the Markov signing, even if it seems a tad high.  
    I also second Double Down's above post where he credited the good behavior so far on this thread.  Keep it up, everyone!  
  3. BruMagnus says:

    that's exactly the point. someone else may have offered him upwards of $6.5 million on the free market. Meehan is a clever agent and got his charge his money's worth for sure. Still seems pricey though.

  4. BruMagnus says:

    I think Souray's extremely low +/- will reduce his price somewhat. Maybe $5 million in free agency. Though I can see a similar signing to this with a non-Habs teams.

  5. BruMagnus says:

    As a Pens fan I agree. Both are very good and similar. Kaberle may have a slight edge though. His contract definetely makes him the more desirable player.

  6. BruMagnus says:

    "honeslty, better than winning the cup!"

    haha… I really pity that this is all you have to cheer for.
    I'll take the Cup first, thank you very much.

  7. BruMagnus says:

    I tend to agree with you.

    In fact I stated that if the Pens couldn't get Scott Hannan, I'd want one of the Markovs, but "my sources" told me both would be re-signing with their current teams.

    As for Ovechkin's comment, it should have been limited to the Eastern Conference that he predominantly plays in. As the Western Conference clearly has superior defensemen. Still a fine comment to be sure. Kinda like Brodeur saying Crosby is the best player he's seen since Mario.

  8. BruMagnus says:

    Here I will take the all-of-1-minute to prove you wrong.

    Markov. Total Ice Time: 1,884:49. Total PP Time: 341:37. Average PP TOI/Game: 4:26.

    Kaberle. Total Ice Time: 1,914:30. Total PP Time: 431:11. Average PP TOI/Game: 5:49.

  9. BruMagnus says:

    In fact Kaberle was top 10 in PP Time on Ice in the LEAGUE, 7th for defensemen, right in between Niedermayer and Pronger.

    In the future, please take the time to do some research and thus prevent yourself from looking the fool.

  10. BruMagnus says:

    I'd say let him walk, depending on the contract length. His defensive play just isn't worth that much.

    If he wants two years at $12 million and it's feasible, perhaps re-sign him. Personally, I'd let some other team lock him up for 4-7 years and look like the fools that overpaid him in 2-3 years time.

  11. BruMagnus says:

    My sources tell me that Bonk will definetely be let go and Johnson may only be re-signed after July 1st when they can see what sort of value he's getting on the market.

    Bru Magnus

  12. BruMagnus says:

    My sources tell me Morozov will stay in Russia for at minimum one more year.

    Bru Magnus

  13. BruMagnus says:

    I totally agree.

  14. habsoverserver says:

    Good job by Gainey.  Markov's price was only going to rise. 

  15. Stephilo says:

    Markov was the guy to sign first. He his the best d-man in Mtl.

    I wouldn't sign Souray back. He got an incredible season last year so he could get his big deal contract but next season, he won't even come close to have a season as good. So I would let him go and save his salary. Instead, I would send Sammy away (get rid of him) in exchange for Aucoin and take a chance that he will bounce back in Mtl. If he does, we would have got a good power play d-man for less $…

  16. Toonces99 says:

    Markov got the going rate for a D-man of his caliber….Good signing by Gainey and actually he really had no choice, if he didn't give it to him someone else would have….Good move Habs….

  17. habsoverserver says:

    I am not sure our presumption is correct.  He was the #6 defenseman for the Devils for parts of three seasons and was used sparingly in the playoffs.  I think the Devils were more interested in developing Collin White than Souray. 

  18. Glucker says:

    yea i went to far with kubina, but kaberle is atleast as goodmas markov, and making 1.5 mill less

  19. Glucker says:

    same thing with McCabe really, he was good on defense in the old NHL, then he became really offensive and lost all his defensive edge

  20. Glucker says:

    I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Souray gets signed for anything over 5.75

  21. passionch says:

    That would be devastating for a Habs fan…  Even above 4M, I would think it's too much.

  22. habsgod says:

    tucksfan you are a piece of shit !and if the leafs had a defenceman with half the talent that markov has they would have sometihng!!!! oh yeah that's right they have a real overpaid piece of shit named hal gill!!!! and talked about another one cryin mccabe!!!!!!

  23. habsgod says:

    this guy wouldn't and doesn't want to play in toronto he wants to win and see a cup in his career!! toronto can't and wouldn't provide that for him!!!! plus he wouldn't play for a team named maple leafs!! that name sounds gay! and markov is not a queer like maple leafs fans and players!!ala WENDEL(WENDY LIMP WRISTED ) CLARK  didn't he live with that homosexual toller cranstin when he played wiyh the maple faggots??!!!!!!

  24. Pony says:

    Ok to clear things up since I was in too much of a rush and shoudlnt have commented last time. I believe Kaberle is the better all-around player, there may be some bias in it Ill try to look at it as objectively as I can.

    Offensively I feel Kaberle is a better player and more consistent. To date Kaberle has had 5 seasons with 40 or more points including 2 other seasons at 39 and his highest at 67. Markov has had 2 seasons over 40 his highest total this season at 49. Markovs PP points, 32 of them, are comming of the number one PP unit in the NHL at 22.8%. In comparison Kaberles 30 PP points are comming off the tied for 15th ranked PP unit at 17.7%. 

    Though both players excel at getting the puck through the neutral zone there may be some bias involved but I feel Kaberle is the better skater and can go through the neutral zone and make precision passes more efficiently than Markov. This is kinda hard to argue with stats so you can take that any way.

    Kaberle had only 20 PM this year with 46 being the most hes ever had. Markov had 56 PM with 74 being his career high. I couldnt find any reliable numbers on giveaways, if you know of a good site with them post a link. Regardless of not having the numbers more often than not Kaberle was paired with McCabe and sometimes Kubina, both giving away the puck often, espcially McCabe. Covering up for these give aways espcially with a weak goaltender leads to a lower plus/minus for Kaberle. On the otherside Markov as far as I know until the trade was paired up with a steady Rivet who coughed up the puck considerably less than McCabe.

    The edge defensively I would give to Markov but I dont see it as much. One-on-one he has the edge but Kaberle is nearly as good with excellent position and rarely making blunders in his zone. Jagr once said Hal Gill was the toughest defender to beat at one time so as much of a compliment as it is I dont see it as being excessively validating.

    Overall its very close and if a team could have either or contracts aside, it would likely fall down to the edge offensively and the edge defensively and which was more desirable. In my mind I would still prefer Kaberle but that is debatable.

  25. BruMagnus says:

    I'm glad you took your licks like a man.

    First about Jagr on Gill, do you have a source for that? That boggles my mind.

    About the PP, the argument goes both ways (it's the same for Ryan Whitney in Pittsburgh). Is Markov only stealing points on the wicked PP, or is he, as TSN suggests, the PP quarterback that makes brilliant passes and sets up goals? Yes Souray had tons of goals, but so did McCabe. I don't like that argument cause it goes both ways. Just as saying Whitney only got points because he played with Malkin, Crosby and Gonchar is completely missing the point, as anyone who watches the Pens will defend. He knows when to make the well-timed (well-practiced) pinch to receive in the open one of Sid's passes (you all know the play).

    As for PIM, Markov can shut guys down and is thus more likely to get penalties, ala Chara, than Kaberle who plays a much safer (lighter if you would) game ala Lidstrom.

    I think you have it right with Markov is better defensively and Kaberle better offensively. Kaberle's contract makes him the more desirable player by far though.

  26. thatleafsguy says:

    Over paid. Markov is not worth more than 4 million.

  27. Milohabs says:

    I agree with you. I'd rather see him walk, and spend the money on some offense. Streit and Markov can quarterback the PP, and with a legit #1 forward to be acquired, the overall PP will not suffer. Many other teams had great powerplays and they didn't all have Souray. Souray should not get more than 4 Million IMO

  28. mikster says:

    Overpaid. Being paid like a top d-man. Never got 50 points, not much done in the playoffs. He is not a top defenseman and is getting paid like one.

    Horrible contract for sure. The guy is a very good defenseman, but $23M for four years? And JFJ got criticized for Kubina, who at least has a Stanley Cup on his resume?

    With that salary, Markov better put up 60 points and a very good plus rating, AND be a factor in the playoffs.

  29. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    my brother is gay, so i would appreciate if you didn't degenerate homosexuals in that manor. Also, if Markov came to Toronto, it would make us contenders

  30. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    i've heard that too

    🙁

  31. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Bonk has closer ties with the players, i think the habs would resign him over johnson

  32. habsoverserver says:

    All Montreal free agent contracts are horrible.  Theodore, Koivu, Kovalev and Samsonov are recent examples of overpaid untradeable deals inked by Gainey. Montreal has to overpay to overcome the tax, language and media drawbacks. 

  33. ferron says:

        Now theres no cash left for Souray! If we want to get better we need to let go of Souray, cause i think that he will make the same as Markov, not that he's better but put up record numbers. All we have left now is enough money to give Komi, Higgins ,Plek and Ryder a raise and we have enough to replace Souray by a cheaper but better D-Man( D.Markov, D.Sydor, Timonen) what i would do is maybe offer the 5 mil we have left to Phillips, there's one of NHL top d-man and lots of leadership and can also play on PP and Pk and i doubt that Ottawa's got money to keep him, he could also be are new captain! Anyway just playing GM, what do you guys think?

  34. Pony says:

    Wow I cant beleive you just called Wendel Clark a fag, Im speechless.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEltpSMTDPM

  35. ferron says:

        Well put habsoverserver, to overcome the f—-n taxes, f—–n taxes! And can people see that canadian teams need better management cause of the amount of taxes we have here in Canada and i also think that this is very unfair and that American team have an edge cause of that.

  36. TheStryker says:

    To the poster above, Phillips has already re-signed with Ottawa. And Montreal still has plenty of cap room to make significant signings. With not re-signing Johnson, Bonk, Ninnima, Abeisher, the Habs save close to 9 million. I don't think they will re-sign Souray now. I would go after Brad Stuart maybe at 3 million a year.

  37. ferron says:

        Do you think Stuart would wanna come to MTL and how much money do you think we will give in raises espescially now after giving Markov 5.775/year, how much do you think Komisarek will get? And do you think we should sign two d-men instead of foward, do you think we could let go of Souray and maybe try to sign two of those guys ( Sydor, Markov, Hannnan, Timonen or Stuart) and do you think that we could afford two of these guys if Souray goes? Thanks for clearing things out about Phillips.Imagine.

    Kovalev-Koivu-Ryder
    Kosti-Plek-Higgins
    Lap-Begin-streit
    ?-Grabov-Latendresse

    Markov-Komi
    Markov-Stuart
    Bouillon-O'byrne      xtra players=Milroy, Kostitsyn, Dandenault,Chipchura

     Huet/Halak

  38. tancred says:

    Yep, I agree with you there; that was one aspect of my statement I didn't really think about until after I posted–that Souray was (at best) a third pairing defenseman while with NJ.  

    I guess what I'm looking for from the fans who have seen more Montreal games than I, is what kinds of defensive mistakes is Souray making that make him poor in the defensive end?  Turnovers?  Not playing the body?  Bad penalties?  All of the above?  Thanks!  🙂
  39. HotDogAllDressed says:

    enough kaberle talk, i herd that disgusting piece of shit likes to take advantage of handicaps

  40. nordiques100 says:

    it will be interesting to see what the team does with the cap room they have left. The habs are roughly at 29-30 million with 13 guys under contract. After what Bettman said monday, the cap looks like it will go up to 48-49 million leaving montreal about 18-19 mil under. thats a ton of space but it can fade quickly.

    Their first order of business will likely to try and re-sign souray but they should handle their RFAs first. Higgins, Komisarek, Ryder, Plekanec all played well last year and deserve raises.

    Plekanec was at 450K and with stats very similar to the leafs alex ponikarovsky, you have to thing plekanec will get a good raise, probably around 1.5 mil.

    higgins was at around 650K and will likely be bumped over a mil at least. i say 1.25 mil for him.

    komisarek was terrific last year and will get a bump up from 950K. we're probably looking at 1.75-2 mil for him.

    ryder was already making just over 2 mil and will likely get some raise after scoring back to back 30 goal seasons. perhaps something over 3 mil is not out of the question.

    so we have plekanec at 1.5, higgins at 1.25, komi at 2 and ryder at say 3.25, that adds another 8 mil to the payroll.

    with the way souray played last year offensively, and similar guys like kubina at 5, mccabe at 5.75 and jovanovski at over 6 mil, souray is going to get something close to that. it would be far too wishful to think that his -28 rating will cause him to only get around 4 mil on the open market. if the habs want to keep him, they have to pony up 6 mil.

    so if the habs sign those 5 guys, thats going to cost roughly 14 mil. their cap space has dwindled significantly with still 4 or 5 more guys to add to their 22-23 man roster.

    they still need a centre for their top 2 lines, they need more defensive presence on the blueline, they could use more size and grit. plus a forward who could score wouldnt hurt.

    what would help the cause is if they could ever dump samsonov and kovalev. they can bury samsonov in the minors because being under 35, he wont count against the cap if he is on the farm. thats a huge savings. kovalev is an attractive talent but he's owed 9 mil over the next 2 years. thats not attractive. getting these two off the books would save the habs 8 mil next year.  

    also a big help will be more youngsters emerging. kostitsyn should be a regular next year as well as lapierre and halak in nets. streit comes cheap as does latendresse and gorges. all these guys make less than 1 million. if the team could add maybe 1 or two more young cheap types that will help them have more cap room to add another veteran player.

    one thing is certain, they need to play way way better 5 on 5. they lived and died on special teams, and while dominating in that area, they died anyways.

  41. habsoverserver says:

    i agree with you assessment. i think montreal has signed too many onerous contracst to be able to afford six million a year for four years to Souray. 

    if monteal resigns all their veterans to higher priced contracts, they will have given raises to 1/3 of a team that didn't make the playoffs, which seems senseless.  either that or gainey will finally conclude that it is better to trade for cheap young players than to foist money on unwanted free agents like Kovalev and Samsonov. 

  42. Hoondog2 says:

    I'm pretty sure, but not positive that Phillips is resigned.

  43. nordiques100 says:

    I understand completely your frustration.

    My team toronto has done the same thing. reward those that failed with healthy contracts. they get justified by many because of the player's individual numbers or individual skill set, but bottom line they didnt win nor did these players help the team win.

  44. BruMagnus says:

    Only a player can choose to resign.

  45. BruMagnus says:

    We must have the same source.

  46. tucksfan says:

    kaberle is the best no matter who the leafs get for d and no i dont want markov,we have to much d but ur rite bout 1 thing the leafs have a few over paid pieces of shit namely kubina+mccabe

  47. tucksfan says:

    if they were making the sa,e a,ount i bet u could ask any gmanyone other then a montreal fan would rather have kaberle then markov anyday.

  48. habsgod says:

    why can't you believe i just called wendy clark a fag?why? does the truth hurt?!!! is it true that he did live with cranston?

  49. habsgod says:

    why can't you believe i just called wendy clark a fag?why? does the truth hurt?!!! is it true that he did live with cranston?

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