Is Montreal interested in Lupul?

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  1. lafleur10 says:

    god i hope not this guys a stiff and injury prone we don’t want or need him!

    • nordiques100 says:

      Lupul is a really good player. Not a stiff as a player. More a stiff as in he is always dead and on IR.

      The issue is he is only reliable for 25 games at most for injuries. 25 out of 82 games is not enough. And i can understand why no one would want him because of that.

      But if it were guaranteed he could play 82 games and stay healthy, there would be significant interest. The guy can play. Unfortunately that will never happen. He will forever be hurt and unreliable as a core player

      • lafleur10 says:

        that’s my point for what he brings to the table and for the games he plays it just isn’t worth it he’s injured more than he plays and i don’t want him on the habs especially for 5+ million dolars a year i think mb could get a better player that is more healhty and productive than lupul …i agree that if he could stay healthy teams would step up and take a chance…i think we’ll pass though

  2. Gambo says:

    Winnik to WPG for the rights to Burmistrov, what do you guys think?
    I’d do it. But i’d try to get a conditional pick back as well incase he doesn’t ever come back.

    • doorman says:

      I would want more then a conditional pick, I would want to know he is coming or the pick be a 1st as it’s a big risk. This very trade was posted on HFboards, where I go lots now because we don’t have the traffic we used to here, sad as it is.

      • Gambo says:

        It’s rumoured that the Leafs are trying to do this trade, according to Dreger. Toronto won’t be getting a 1st for him. Burmistrov was drafted 8th overall, is 23 years old, and I strongly believe he’ll come back to the NHL for another shot. It’s a risk, but getting a potential top 6 center for someone you signed to a 1 year contract for really cheap is a good risk to take.

        • doorman says:

          I am saying the deadline and the way he is playing anything can happen. I don’t know enough about Burmistrov to say yay or nay tough. I know he left for the KHL, so would be worried he may not come back, this risk has to be accounted for.

      • Steven_Leafs0 says:

        1st won’t happen as Winnik isn’t worth that to begin with. Personally I would ask for Burmistrov + 2017 2nd (or whatever year after he becomes an UFA) even though if I’m Winnipeg I would at best offer a 4th and tell Toronto take the risk or walk (maybe let the pick be a 2nd if Burmistrov walks AND Winnik re-signs.

    • lafleur10 says:

      you don’t want burmistrov trust me!

    • lafleur10 says:

      i think if your trade winnik you had better get more than burmistrov…… he’ll stay in the khl imo so trade him to a team where you’ll actually get something to help you

      • Steven_Leafs0 says:

        He has said before that he is interested in returning he just stayed in the KHL. If the Leafs can dump salary they can buy him back to the NHL and if there is a conditional pick with it there is no risk.

        It is like a waiver claim. No risk, potential high reward.

  3. LN91 says:

    Eklund’s high created this trade:

    Florida:
    – Huberdeau
    – Bergenheim (salary dump)
    – 1st 2015 (possibly Trochek hehe)

    Toronto:
    – Kessel (makes sense)
    – Robidas (makes sense, a good, cheap veteran for a talented core)

    If this was true…All I got to say is…BYE KESSEL BYE

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Huberdeau bust
      salary dump
      Wow a 1st round pick so so shiny

      What are we Jay Fester?

      • LN91 says:

        What do you think you’re getting Kessel?

      • Steven_Leafs0 says:

        I see what you are saying the only issue is barring a crazy Lindros situation for McDavid or somebody panicking out there I cannot see us getting too much more. I mean maybe a slightly better deal like adding Gudbranson for Trochek and maybe a 2016 first as well but even then the price may be too high for Tallon.

        We are NOT getting a Barkov or Ekblad even straight up with 3 cap dump players with cheap replacements for those players.

        I have to also ask. What would you consider fair from Florida?

        • LN91 says:

          You’re never getting that kind of deal for Kessel.

          You have too look at how other high-end wingers were paid in trades, and no team has ever been that high.

          You are mostly getting a 1st round pick, a roster player, and a high-end prospect.

          You are not getting what you gave up because no franchise is that stupid.

          • Steven_Leafs0 says:

            what history? Name one franchise level (or as close to it as you can get) player that was available at a high but not overpaid contract locked up long term that DIDN’T demand a trade garner in a trade? Never happened.

            Personally if we rush to move Kessel for a possible bust based on his potential in Huberdeau and a 1st then we are idiots and deserve to fail in our 2nd straight rebuild. He’ll look at Florida in the last 10 years, they followed the true rebuild model and failed until they got aggressive. If we move out our pieces for less than market value we deserve to suck for another 10 years.

            • Gambo says:

              Huberdeau, a 1st and a cap dump is probably the best offer you can get for Kessel and if that’s offered you have to take it. Yeah it would be nice to try to squeeze Gudbranson in there too but it’s not gonna happen.

              What bold moves has Florida done that has lead to their success? Getting Luongo and signing Willie Mitchel were great moves, but they didnt give up much for Luongo and already had the main pieces of their rebuild. Other than that they just overpaid UFAs.

              It wouldn’t be smart to keep Kessel for too long. It’s a deep draft and Huberdeau is still 21, people thought JVR was a bust before he came to Toronto.

            • Gambo says:

              But then again, you’re right. There hasn’t been an elite player like Kessel traded recently without asking for a trade. Loui Erikson did bring back Seguin, there were other players involved though. Maybe he’d get a similar return as what Pronger got. I guess we don’t really knkw what teams would give up for him. Consensus is a 1st, top prospect and a roster player though.

            • LN91 says:

              Kessel is a slightly overpaid contract, not to mention that contract is for the next 7 seasons.

              Kessel is a star, not a SUPERSTAR, so the most you will get for him (like Gambo said) is probably that deal. You are not getting 2 first round picks for Kessel (teams have learned from the Leafs mistakes) along with high-end young players and prospects, not happening. As lafleur would say, that is laughable.

              If the deal is a mid first round pick (in a deep draft), Huberdeau, and Vincent Trochek…No team in this league will offer you better. What is Nashville going to offer you that is better? Islanders?

              Also, with Kessel, you are right…The Leafs don’t have to move him right now, probably will use that as a bargaining chip. However, I do believe management knows they need to get rid of Kessel to restart this franchise and he should be gone for the best package this summer.

              • leafs_wallace93 says:

                Pat Kane is making 10 million, Kessel plays ahead of him and steals the show on the biggest stage in Sochi.

                Not a superstar.

                Kessel is the best offense player I’ve ever seen on the Leafs. He’s not a superstar then we’ve never had one.

                • LN91 says:

                  Clearly, you have not watched the Leafs for a long time then.

                  • leafs_wallace93 says:

                    Oh is he in a slump, let’s crawling under our seats and panic.

                    • LN91 says:

                      Not the slump part…I players outside of 07-08.

                    • leafs_wallace93 says:

                      Kessel is a top ten producer in the last five years.

                      You make no sense.

                    • LN91 says:

                      I do, you do not. I meant referring him to the best Leaf player is a bit far fetched…But I don’t think you have seen many former Leafs outside of the Keasel era.

                    • Steven_Leafs0 says:

                      Considering how Kessel has produced in an era where points are not elf a luxury (not many 100-200 point seasons anymore) then yes Kessel is one o our best in a long time.

                    • LN91 says:

                      Sorry, give me Gilmore and Sundin over this one dimensional player.

                    • LN91 says:

                      Damn autocorrect

                    • leafs_wallace93 says:

                      Sundin didn’t score as competitively as Kessel compare to the league consistently.

                      I say pretty much ever game Gilmour had in a Leaf jersey 2 magic seasons and then traded for scraps.

                    • leafs_wallace93 says:

                      Sundin didn’t score as competitively as Kessel compare to the league consistently.

                      I saw pretty much ever game Gilmour had in a Leaf jersey 2 magic seasons and then traded for scraps.

                    • LN91 says:

                      Sundin was also in that defensive era in hockey and was still a PPG. Better then Kessel.

                      Also, one player had way more success then the other.

                      So

                    • leafs_wallace93 says:

                      Play hard? BFD, Clarskon plays hard.

                      Sundin wasn’t consistently a top ten guy. You compare prouduction vs other players from the same era. Sundin didn’t measure up to his competetion like Kessel does.

                    • Steven_Leafs0 says:

                      BAHAHAHAHA. That’s like saying Crosby isn’t elite, if he was he would be getting over 200 points a season like Greztky did.

                      I’m not saying that Kessel is without a doubt better than Sundin both in their primes but comparing points from different eras is dumb. Although if you want to argue it there is more evidence showing that Kessel is a better producer.

                    • doorman says:

                      No I like Kessel and his offensive skill set, but I would take Sundin over him, period!! More complete and clutch player, widely respected too.

          • leafs_wallace93 says:

            Other high end wingers, what did Kessel get traded for?

            • Steven_Leafs0 says:

              You mean from a team that had to move him before Kessel was elite? He got a lot. He should get more now

              • LN91 says:

                Toronto vastly overpaid, and they will never get that deal ever again.

                You will never get what you have up…You have to understand that Toronto was reckless when they traded for him.

              • leafs_wallace93 says:

                What’s funny is if the Leafs gave up two 14th overall picks like the bag of flaming garbage Florida is offering the Kessel deal would have gone down as the biggest steal trade of the generation.

                • Steven_Leafs0 says:

                  EXACTLY. Our team was completely stripped and drafted 7th overall. If we improved at all (like we should have with the signings and trades) then we would have dominated the deal.

                  Was it a good idea? Well in hindsight no not even a bit. But if we had improved even slightly then Burke would have been a genius (maybe a lucky SOB to some lol).

                  • leafs_wallace93 says:

                    Not to mention Dougie Hamilton is looking like a complete tard this season, do you think he wouldn’t be getting eaten alive in the face of Toronto media?]

                    Again, lesson learned don’t trade picks, doesn’t mean we have to shoot ourselves in the foot to collect other teams picks.

  4. nordiques100 says:

    Rick Nash is the closest comparison to Kessel among the most recent trades for scoring wingers.

    Nash went for Anisimov, Erixon, Dubinsky and a 1st rounder that was 19th overall.

    I think something close to that is “the best” Toronto can do.

    At the same time, I am not sure the Leafs could get that much for Phil.

    Nash is a better overall player. And he is Phil’s equal when it comes to scoring goals. Plus, his contract was for less term and less cap hit than Phil’s is right now.

    Nash too is a rare breed power forward. Those are harder to come by. It is why the Rangers paid so much.

    So those expecting to see Seguin/Hamilton + something else big for Phil are going to be disappointed. I think a 1st and a good young roster player is definitely a good start. If Toronto can squeeze another good prospect out of it, I say take it and run.

  5. doorman says:

    So what do you think if he stays healthy plays games with good effort like against the jets, Lupul would net us? It seems they want to trade him, not that I completely agree they should as we will need vet players and he more than any other Leaf has embraced being one and all that comes with it!!

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