More on Kaberle

Jason Pominville or Derek Roy for Tomas Kaberle ? That’s the latest rumour floating around here in Buffalo.

Here’s a link to the story reposted on thefourthperiod. Not a huge surprise as Buffalo has been linked to Kaberle ever since Burke made T-Kab the hottest name on the trading block.

Jason Pominville , 26, earns $5.3 million (cap hit) for the next 4 seasons, and would fit the mold of a young top 6 forward. Derek Roy , earns $14 mil over the next 3 seasons but his cap hit would be just $4 million per season due to a front loaded contract, and he would also fit the bill, although he is a bit of a smaller player.

From a Sabres perspective this deal would fit their style, as they would be unloading some salary, especially in Pominville’s case, which is a typical thing for Buffalo to do every year. Also its well do*****ented that Tomas Kaberle prefers the travel schedule of an Eastern Conference team and likes the area in Toronto. A trade to Buffalo would allow him to keep his Toronto home and Buffalo is therefore one of the most likely teams to get an extension done with Kaberle.

The biggest questions here are can Burke get a better player than Jason Pominville , or Derek Roy ? Does he feel that they are worth dealing Kaberle for? And of course, is this rumour true?’

28 Responses to More on Kaberle

  1. Kessel_Leafs48 says:

    how about..

    To Toronto:  Derek Roy
                       Nathan Gerbe

    To Buffalo:   Tomas Kaberle
                       3rd rounder or a mid-prospect

     I dont think we could do better then just derek roy or jason pominville but i do think they could help the team out if we got a prospect also…  including nathan gerbe might be shooting too high, id love seeing him wearing the blue and white tho.. fan favourite for sure!

  2. Kessel_Leafs48 says:

    I do think we could do better***

  3. glotz_99 says:

    Either of those guys would be awesome, but Pomniville is a right winger, and isn't Burke looking for someone to play on the 1st line.

  4. cam7777 says:

    Pominville is way too expensive for his production, especially considering that production is massively inconsistent and is dependent on the Sabres system.  Not a huge fan of his at all.  Roy is fine, and value-wise, I'd be fine with that trade, but it doesn't make a lot of sense for us with Kadri, Grabovski and Bozak down the middle.

  5. futurebruin says:

    Well, i think Graboski may be better suited for wing.  Kadri is fairly small for an NHL center, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him converted to wing (Hey, he's taller than Gerbe, so who knows!).  If that were to ahppen, Roy would be a great addition to your team.

  6. leafmeister says:

    I would be very happy with Roy. He and Kessel would be deadly together. Add some size to that line and they could be money in the bank.

    We need a playmaker.

  7. 93killer93 says:

    1st(29th) Phi via Ana
    3rd(71st) Dal

    Dal(need puck moving defenceman)

    Neal(cheaper Left Wing Option for Ryan)
    1st(11th) Dal (high pick, could use to move up to top 5 with their 12th pick and go after Fowler)
    Grabovski(secondary scoring to replace Koivu)

  8. lafleur10 says:

    not a chance in the world will you get either pominville or roy………….but i could see stafford and a pick(most likely a 1st rd)

  9. leafy says:

    I'll always remember Pominville scoring that OT goal to eliminate Ottawa a few years back.

    He's a good player, but that's a huge cap hit. And giving up Kaberle on top?

  10. mojo19 says:

    Put him on the left side. He could play that wing, and I think he'd be good with Kessel

  11. mojo19 says:

    I agree, I think they will try Kadri on the wing.

  12. mojo19 says:

    I remember that goal too, Alfredsson was the last man back and got burnt by Pominville.

    I think Pominville is a really good player. His point totals in the last 4 years have been 68, 80, 66, 62. And he's not exactly playing with superstars, Vanek and Roy are both great hockey players but Pominville makes a lot happen out there, he's not just benefitting from those guys. And he doesn't always play with them.

    Pominville wouldn't be my first choice in a trade for Kaberle but I wouldn't be disapointed to get him.

  13. leafy says:

    Yea thinking about it some more, he's only 26. Lots of good hockey left in him. That's a huge point, which makes the cap hit tolerable.

    You can also think about it this way. If the Leafs traded Kaberle for a draft pick and prospect, what would they do with the freed up cash? There aren't exactly a lot of options via free agency. Maybe they can get lucky and land a Kovalchuk or Marleau, but regardless, the Leafs need to also land a forward via the trade route. So from that point of view, indeed Pominville would be pretty good.

  14. cam7777 says:

    Yea, but Kadri isn't going to be small forever.  Once his frame starts to fill out, he'll easily be 200 pounds.  He's not a tiny guy, he's just scrawny.  A summer in the gym with Dion Phaneuf will do wonders for him.  Bozak looked much the same last year, but came to camp at 196.  And Kulemin entered the NHL at 178, but is now 225.  I think it's a bit of an erroneous statement for everyone to keep suggesting that Kadri is too small.

    That said, I could see Kadri starting on the wing.  I really doubt though, that Derek Roy is the guy Burke wants to lead this team offensively.  Which one of these is not like the others:

    Komisarek, Beauchemin, Kessel, Phaneuf, Roy

  15. cam7777 says:

    The draft pick and prospect could be transferable into an RFA who is not resigning with the club that owns the team.  Let's say St.Louis, who has long been linked to Kaberle, and is desperate to make a big splash this summer, and is tired of stock-piling draft picks – let's say they make a big pitch for Kaberle:

    To TOR: Patrik Berglund, 1st in 2010
    To STL: Tomas Kaberle

    They want to dump Berglund and can afford to go without a pick for the first time ever (it's not like they've really been helping them).  Now, that package is the start to something that might land us Bobby Ryan.  For example, you add Stalberg to that package, and suddenly you have a very solid offer for Mr. Murray. 

    I'm just saying,we don't have to think so linearly about the guy Burke is going to trade Kaberle for.  With Pominville, I think we're pretty much the only team that would want him at that cap hit, so he doesn't really interest me.  It's not like he can be moved or flipped if something better comes along.  His contract kills the flexibility, and Buffalo would be laughing at us for taking him.

  16. Kev_Leafs says:

    Bozak came to camp at 196?  I know he got the flu and shed some pounds, but he never looked even close to that big late in the year.

    Roy definitely doesn't fit in with Burke's desire for bigger forwards.  Pominville doesn't really have the aggressive side to his game which Burke would appreciate.  But, if that's the best the Leafs could do, either would be an upgrade at forward.

  17. cam7777 says:

    doesn't have to be so big.  We have like no team left after that trade.  Gunnarsson is worth more to us right now than the 29th overall pick.  Beauchemin can't just be tossed away for nothing.  OUr defense is just Schenn, Phaneuf and Komisarek after that trade.

  18. cam7777 says:

    Glad you think so, because they're both mediocre nobodies.

  19. cam7777 says:

    Like I said below in another comment, I'd rather try for a prospect and a pick if that's the case, because Pominville is immovable once we have him.  No one else will want that contract, especially if he's suddenly only a 45 point man without Vanek and Roy.  Whereas the extra cap space gives us flexibility, and also trade-able assets should someone we actually want come along.  I don't think Burke is in the business of settlng.

  20. leafmeister says:

    If we got Berglund and a 1st for Kaberle I would definitely keep it. Berglund has 1st line potential, and would be a hell of a lot cheaper than Ryan. I would also be very weary about trading Stalberg, he seems like the kind of guy who the Leafs would trade, and would go on to be a 40 goal man. We all know he has the tools.

    Starting from your St. Louis trade, here is where I would go:

    To Tampa: 14th overall, 62nd overall, 2011 2nd
    To Toronto: Ryan Malone, 6th overall

    Basically this trade: Tampa gets a decent pick, with which they will probably take Jack Campbell, they get an early 3rd, and 4.5 mil cap relief for the next 5 years, which will be huge, given who they have to resign. Yzerman is a rookie, and will do EVERYTHING in his power to make sure Stamkos does not get away.

    The Leafs get a big contract, but a Brian Burke type player who scores and adds toughness. They also get the 6th overall pick.

    It is definitely a ripoff for Tampa, but they still get some good picks. Malone has one of the worst contracts in the league, and they would be hard pressed to find a team that could take it.

    Trade Garnett Exelby's negotiating rights to Chicago for Huet and the 30th overall pick. Huet can be buried, or sent to a European club til they can buy him out.

    With the 6th spot take Nino Niederreiter
    With the 30th spot take John Mcfarland

    Young forward core of: Kessel, Kadri, Bozak, Stalberg, Berglund, Niederretier, Mcfarland, Hanson and projects like Hayes, D'amigo, and Didominico.

    Personally I would rather have that than Bobby Ryan at 5.4 per year.

    Rebuilt forward core with depth. I would rather build depth in prospects and young guys than trade more assets for a proven guy who will eat up cap space.

  21. Kev_Leafs says:

    With the Kessel trade, Burke made the statement that he wasn't willing to wait for young guys to develop and form his team that way.  He bought Komisarek, paid the price for Kessel, and brought in Phaneuf.  A team wouldn't do this if they were going to wait for young kids to develop.  Kessel, Komisarek, and Phaneuf's contracts expire in 2014.  That means that Burke is targeting to win the Cup in either 2013 or 2014.  To do this the Leafs need to make the playoffs in 2011 or – at the latest – 2012.  Yes, they will lose, perhaps in the first round, but teams need to lose in order to learn how to win.  No team is going to storm into the playoffs, after not making it for the five (or six) previous years, and win the Cup on their first foray.  So the plan is playoffs in 2011 & 2012 and a run for the Cup in 2013 & 2014.  Then the Leafs will start all over again with the prospects that are in the system.

    Now going into next season it would be a stretch to call the Leafs a playoff team if they had even half of either Kadri, Hanson, Stalberg, Bozak, Caputi, Irwin, or other prospects pegged as vital components of their starting lineup.  No, the Leafs need one or two proven – through preferably still young – top six forwards and two or three bottom six guys in the lineup in October, because we need to start contending now.  Trading for prospects and picks won't get this done.  Young, big forwards that can score will go a long way to getting the Leafs to where they need to be in order to start contending now and until 2014, with their maturing prospects thrown in slowly along the way.

    Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of the slow build through prospects and picks, but Burke has shown that he is not, and he can't afford to suddenly switch mindsets after making two huge deals last year, one which cost us several high picks.  No, he has to see his game plan through to 2014, for better or worse.

  22. JoelJoel says:

    Correction: overpaid mediocre nobodies.

  23. broc says:

    Dude, that's terrible.

    So Dallas is going to give:

    – Neal
    – 15th overall pick in 2010 draft
    – 3rd round pick

    For Kaberle and Gunnarrson? Come on.
    You guys are crazy who think Neal will be traded in the first place, from a rebuilding (and looking like they're willing to take their time about it) Dallas Stars organization.

  24. cam7777 says:

    Precisely.  With Burke, it's go big, or go home.  He's not going to settle for Pominville if he can get Ryan with a little more fanangling.  He's looking for big, proven guys at age 22-25.

  25. mojo19 says:

    About 1 in 3 NHL wingers were centres in Junior, so it wouldn't be too strange to put Kadri on wing. Even Kessel was actually a centre but you're not gonna put him there now.

  26. mojo19 says:

    I also like Berglund. He was a 50 point rookie.

    And ya Cam, like I said, Pominville is not my first choice, but if we could get more, like let's say Buffalo's 1st rounder as part of an agreement that Kaberle signs an extension, then Jason P would not be a bad player to have around. He would definitely contribute offensively, although he's not a star, he is a very solid player.

  27. lafleur10 says:

    and both are better than any current leafs player on the roster kessel included!

  28. Kessel_Leafs48 says:

    okay, somebody's deff. a habs fan…

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