New in Forum 1st Post…If i was J Fergie Jr…

Hey all ^^ I’m a new user but i’ve been reading/checking out what people wrote in here for awhile and I must say some are good, some are bad, but then again it’s all based on opinions. This is my first post =_). Feel free to agree/disagree with me or speak your mind. As the title says this is based on if I was Leafs GM, alot of posts out there like this but… i just wanted to start another lol… so this is what i would do if i was Leafs GM.

I read about people suggesting if the leafs should “give up” this season or trade to improve and push for playoffs. In my opinion, I’d do both ^^. We are around .500. I dont think we should give up already but the team we have now…let’s just say i dont want to see some of the players next year…*cough Belak *cough O’Neill.

With the current team, the “untouchable” players would be Sundin (re-sign him is a must ^^), McCabe (no-trade clause) i’d still keep him even without clause in my opinion, Kaberle (no brainer), wellwood (i see good potential for 2nd line centre), Kubina (his contract but also I still believe he’s a steady Defence Man), Kilger (he’s a good 3rd line Defensive/Pk guy), Peca (resign him same reason as Kilger), Coliacovo ( i liked him since we picked him thru the draft)and tucker (resign he wants to stay anyway, he’s gritty can score a pest). The rest are tradable bait.

I’ve read how many of you mentioned that the players we are willing to give up no one wants thats true…but if you read what i just wrote, alot of young leafs are tradeable in my opinion that still have some good value ie:Stajan,Poni,Steen,White,Bell. We gotta give up value to get back some value.

1st thing on my mind for trades is… GOALIE SITUATION. I don’t like raycroft… sorry folks. Giving up rask… was eh… i duno… i think that’ll bite our behinds later. Eventhough we have pogge, i wouldnt of gave up rask…should of gave one of our young Ds instead (we have so many and not enough spots for them). Anyway… so i’ll like to get rid of him. Some goalies in my mind that i dont mind seeing in a leaf uniform are:

CBJ: LeClaire (he’s young and in hitch*****’s dog house i believe)
Avs: Budaj (I think he’s ready to be a #1 in NhL)

If i was to make a deal with CBJ, the deal would look like this:

to CBJ: to Tor:
Antro LeClaire
(possibly a pick)

A deal with Avs, the deal would look like this:

to Avs: to Tor:
Aubin Budaj
a pick (3rd rounder?)

or maybe we can get Budaj with just a pick *shrugs

That would clear up the goalie situation, I’d pick Avs deal over CBJ, it seems more realistic b/c LeClaire was a former top 1st rounder. With that being said, our Goalie situation would be:

Raycroft + Budaj

You’re probably asking why is Raycroft still here. Well even if you werent the reason is because i’ve packaged him in a blockbuster deal. This 6 player deal will involve, the Flyers. Why? They are struggling BUT they have a group of solid young players who are underachieving this year but i see potential/rebound year to come. The deal would look like this:

To Philly: To Tor:
Esche (he’s currently injured) Raycroft
Carter or Richards (i kno carter is injured) Steen
Pitkanen White

Why did i make this deal? Well…Esche is going to be UFA. I kno before he was injured he was playing like crap but…I still have faith that he’ll do a descent job when he is 100% healthy. Also if he sucks, we can walk away and save $$ since we unloaded Raycroft. I like carter or richards potential over steen and Pitkanen, well he’s playing bad this year but… he’s young, has size, has a good shot. White i kno he’s playing really well but… i dont see him being better than Pitkanen. These 2 deals would give us a change of young players that need some change of scenery and a change of goalies. Remember that Esche isn’t in the future plans. Budaj is my future number 1. I’d do what SanJose is doing with their goalies. Alternate each game. I know I’m having alot faith in Budaj. His record is mediocre but his save percantage aint bad (.913) and GAA of 2.38.

My last and final deal would be to give a player Sundin can play with. Although he plays centre, i think we can place him in right or left which ever he wants. You guys can disagree. Well the deal i would make is with TBay. I dont know if he’s tradable but… and yes i’m talking about Vinny but… i would package a deal like this:

To Tbay: To Leafs:
Poni Vinny
Bell or Harrison or Kronwall

Maybe you think this deal is crazy Tbay wont do that but … let me tell you why i think this deal doenst seem to bull sh*t. Poni <-- he's turning into a good player, Stajan <--- still has alot of up + he's defensive side is good, one of the young D's i've mentioned, well they will be young and will get a chance to become a good nhl defenceman. I believe this deal will be the most contraversial to you all but fine if it does sound too bull crap , i'll toss a 1st rounder. Am i giving too much for vinny? I dont think so... he's a star while the guys we give up will be good but no star at all. After all those deals, the team will look like this: Forward lines:
Tucker – Sundin – Vinny
Carter or Richards – Wellwood – O’Neill
Antro – Peca – Kilger
Nash – Pohl – Odrus

Defence would be:
Caber – Kaberle
Kubina – Gill
Pitka – Coli
Spare: whichever one i didnt deal

Esche + Budaj 3rd string: Aubin

Once the season is done, find a 2nd line winger under UFA and say bye to O’Neill. I cant think of any deals to trade him away…cause frankly no one wants him LOL. And oh… i forgot to mention, WAIVE BELAK OMFG ! I know some of you guys have mentioned that already i totally agree. Send him to the minors and bring up odrus and nash. Send sug to minors too to see if he can develop some more (he’s doing jack in the nhl).

Well that’s what i would do if i was GM for this year. I know this post is long but… i wanted to explain myself. Whoever read it all the way to here i say thank you^^ for taking some time to read this. Haha. Feel free to comment!

GLG!! and yes… I BLEED BLUE AND WHITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^^

Btw… i’m not good with the salary stuff so maybe some of these deals wont work out thru cap but you guys can help me out wiht that thx ^^.

74 Responses to New in Forum 1st Post…If i was J Fergie Jr…

  1. 92-93 says:

    its 1996? awesome. now i can resume my dream to play professional baseball … aw … but Mike Murphy is behind the leaf bench.

  2. 92-93 says:

    some thoughts on the ugly loss tonight.

    these kinds of losses to teams like Florida (teams that will be battling for the final playoff spot with the leafs) will KILL THE LEAFS playoff chances because of the 2nd tiebreaker (behind Wins) is the season series . The Leafs are 1-2-0 versus the Panthers whereas Florida is 2-0-1 against the Leafs. that means that even if the leafs win their next and final game against the Panthers in regulation, they will still lose the overall season series to them.

    so if there was some scenario that the leafs and Panthers tie for 8th with the exact same amount of points and wins, the Panthers would make the playoffs because of their season-series win over the leafs. tonight’s game would take on a whole new level of importance if that were to occur.

    some nasty giveaways tonight and once again the Leafs are just too inconsistent right now. I could go on and on about Gill but everyone played bad tonight. No one drove to the net tonight!!! And again, they seemed to be very soft on the puck – soft passes, soft chips, soft attempts

    however, some positive points:

    – Coliacovo’s goal … if he and Kubina stay healthy, the leafs will finally have a very good top-4 D-unit.

    – White continues to play well even though he makes mistakes (he should, he is a rookie). how many times to we see him dive to knock the puck away from a defender? he has a lot to learn, but he should by a very good #5 or #6 D-guy or an OK-#4 D-guy.

    – more consistent goaltending is needed – even though Raycroft didnt have much of a chance on some of the goals.

  3. lukeleim says:

    Rumor is Jose Theodore’s contract will be boughten out at the end of the year. Andrew Raycroft’s numbers are considerably worse, and rarely do you hear people complain about his play. He lets 3 or more goals on a consistent basis. Toronto has only won 1 game this season when they have scored fewer than 4 goals!! We need a real starter here in Toronto.

  4. lukeleim says:

    Raycroft is garbage!!!

  5. lukeleim says:

    Keeping Gill? What a dream team. Your Dream Team should have traded for a better starter. ps. good move on getting rid of Raycroft; he’s garbage.

  6. 92-93 says:

    youre right, when the leafs score 4+ goals in a game, they are 15-1-2 (their lone regulation loss in the 7-4 loss to Buffalo). When they score 3 goals or less, they are 1-13-3. but i dont think its entirely Raycroft’s fault – even though lately he has been playing like garbage. i still think it would foolhardy to let go of this guy so soon. that sounds like a Sens fan mentality.

  7. mojo19 says:

    Hal Gill is a +5, best on the team, and is a wicked defensman, many people agree with me, and many people disagree, I’m not about to have that debate again, don’t respond to this in regards to Gill.

    My dream team has Biron and Dunham on short term contracts because I believe the leafs are waiting for Justin Pogge.

  8. 92-93 says:

    “where any ill can be cured with a hypothetical trade”

    well this is a hockey trade website right?

    trading Tucker goes beyond who replaces him. trading Tucker is an opportunity too … try thinking about it along those lines. Nagy was just a suggestion. if you think its a poor one – fine. but there are actually other potential UFA wingers (i think, i am not sure on that one i’ll get back to you).

    hmmm…….. i wonder what we could do with that 5 million that is tied up in Kubina ……….. hmmmm.

  9. Phillyboy007 says:


  10. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    And while Vancpuver is at it they can trade Naslund and Luongo to philly for Hatcher

  11. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    team hasn’t been great in front of him. he’s got mre in him, he just needs to stay consistent.

  12. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Gill is not wicked, but not the trash B fans made him out to be. He’s a 6th D-man, who logs lots of minutes against certain players that can’t stand to play against him. Like Jagr.

  13. 92-93 says:

    its quite simple really ….

    the leafs' defensive play by their D and their forwards has been terrible most of the year and their goaltending is not consistent enough to bail them out on most nights.

    at the beginning of the year there was concern about their offense and i didnt get it. i thought that the problem would continue to be the leafs' defensive play and that their offensive play would be fine … but everyone looked at the departure of Allison and Lindros and the signing of Peca and  thought the leafs wouldnt be able to score goals. i didnt get it then and i dont get that logic now.

    the leafs can score goals … BIG TIME.

    go to and look at the Bruins top scorers and look at the Leafs' top scorers – or any team not named the 'Ducks' or 'Sabres' … and you will see how good Toronto is at spreading around the offense. when you factor in that Coliacovo, Steen, and Kubina are just getting warmed up now … its pretty amazing.

    BUT, the problem is and always has been DEFENSIVE PLAY. they SUCK – their forwards dont come back to help and their D makes to many mistakes with and without the puck.

    the good news and the difference between previous years and this year: there is a new coach and a new philosphy in town and there is actually going to be room for improvement and accountability (whereas Quinn held no one – except the young guys – accountable).

  14. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    Wellwood and Steen do suck. Steen has sucked obviously since about a year ago at this time. Wellwood sucks because he's a little *****.

  15. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    little what? he's got a genius IQ (along with his family), has a ton of offense, and has a whopping 0 PIMs.

  16. 92-93 says:

    um, ooook.

    youre a moron.

    enough said.

  17. mojo19 says:

    Well I don't know if I agree with your Quinn bashing, but I definitely think Maurince is the guy for this team. And I agree 100% with this post. Team defense is horendous. They will miss Ponikarovski tonight who has been one of the only solid backchecking forwards for the leafs this year. Also, Nik, Steen, Stajan, Peca, Mats aren't bad defensive guys, but all of the above (except Mike Peca) are guilty at one point or another.

    Now on a related note, even though he won't help this defensive problem, I really hope the leafs pick up Jason Allison for the rest of the season to Centre the 2nd Line behind Mats, he was wicked last year and is a good puck control guy. For a so-so team, I think he could only give them a boost and would probably come cheap since no one has signed last years 60+ point man yet.

  18. 92-93 says:

    i am not bashing quinn. thats just the way he was with his vets. it worked for certain period of time but then caught up with him in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

    no question that the leafs score a lot of their goals in bunches but that still doesnt negate the fact that this team can score and score consistently. the only time when they could not score – their 7-game losing streak – when their lack of scoring finally meant that the offense could no longer cover up for the bad D.

    I dunno about Allison – mind you, if Peca is injured with his knee-on-knee with Vandermeer who knows . but no, i still dont want Allison playing unless he is taking 700K. I think the leafs have the centres and defensive centres. its the wingers right now that are not getting the job done (O'Neill and Tucker are the two most horrendous examples).

    i think the solution though is just letting them develop and adapt to Maurice's system. it takes time and i think they will get better without any moves or stuff. i am hoping for that anyways.

  19. 92-93 says:

    Before I go onto the plan, which has been revised thanks to a dreadful December, let me speak to something I've already mentioned above: the Leafs inconsistent goaltending and defence. Last night's game against Ottawa was one of those games where the forwards – most of whom were replacements – played very well and forechecked and got shots on net. However, if the D weren't snoozing (2nd ottawa goal) then Raycroft has to do his mandatory 'soft-goal-of-the-night' act (OT goal). Raycroft was very good for most of the game, but not when it counted in OT.

    The injuries are playing a factor. But on D the leafs are fine and are only missing Wozniewski who should be back in the next couple of months. Bell is the extra D-guy and could be traded at the deadline as part of a package with Tucker to the Oilers for Torres and a 1st rounder. Once the injured forwards come back, the Leafs still have to deal with their most pressing problem …

    Once again, it comes down to a more consistent netminder and more consistent defensive play by both the forwards (covering 'the gap') and the D (the brain cramps displayed by McCabe lately, the 1st ottawa goal when no one picked up McAmmond, the 2nd ottawa goal which was subpar by Bantam standards).

    The Leafs have no trouble scoring. they have tremendous depth from the blueline out. But the key stat I keep coming back to sum up this year's version of the Leafs is this:

    The leafs are giving up 3.5 goals per game. So if they dont score at least 4 goals in a game, they are usually in trouble. When they could only muster 3 goals or less, it wasn't enough.

    When the leafs score 4+ goals in a game, they are 16-1-2 (their lone regulation loss in the 7-4 loss to Buffalo).
    When the leafs score 3 goals or less, they are 1-16-4 (their lone win – a 2-1 shootout victory over Florida).

    there it is … in bold.

    they need their goaltending and defensive play to steal a game for them. the pressure on the forwards to score knowing that 3 goals IS NOT ENOUGH TO WIN A HOCKEY GAME is absolutely huge.

    ok, onto the Leaf Plan that I first laid out in September and updated monthly ever since …

  20. 92-93 says:

    Ok, so in October the Leafs were 6-4-0-3 and the general feeling was positive. Of course, this also meant that the expectations began to soar (which i dont understand but whatever).

    In November, the Leafs (as I predicted) came down to earth after a good start to the month and in the second-half of that month, went 2-5-1-0 … for a 7-6-1-0 record. At the time, the record after 2 months fell just short (39-31-3-9) of the projected magic record I set out at the beginning of the season, which was 40-28-7-7 (or 94 points in 82 games).

    Heading into December they were one-third through the season and were 13-10-1-3 in 27 games. Now, after a month of December in which the Leafs went a dreadful 4-7-1-1, the Buds are HALFWAY through the season with a mediocre (but expected) 17-17-2-4 record. This is well short (35-35-4-8) of the projected magic record to make the playoffs … but all hope is not lost once we make some adjustments …

    The magic record: 40-28-7-7 (94 points in 82 games).
    DIVISIONAL TEAMS – total of 14 wins and 33 points (out of a possible 64 points).
    1) vs Buffalo: 2-5-1—————-so far: 1-1-0
    2) vs Ottawa: 3-4-1—————-so far: 1-3-1
    3) vs Mtl: 5-1-2——————–so far: 2-0-2
    4) vs Boston: 4-3-1—————-so far: 1-3-1

    Another blown 3rd period lead in Montreal along with another loss to the Bruins and the Leafs aren’t winning the necessary divisional games. This must change. Because of the lack of success against the stingy Bruins, some adjustments need to be made and I made them with the games against the 1st place Sabres and surging Senators. Now, the Leafs must not only win 3 of their remaining 4 games against the Habs, they must also go 3-0-0 against the Bruins starting with the two games this week against Boston – both must win games (see below). Furthermore, the leafs have to win 2 of their remaining 3 games against the Sens and 1 of their remaining 6 games against the Sabres (along with an SOL or OTL).

    But back to the Bruins. The most important games of the regular season thus far for the leafs is the next two against Boston. There is absolutely no question in my mind about that and it will be the 2 most important games for awhile. Why? 1) Season series. It’s the Bruins (and others) that the Leafs will be battling with for the playoff spot and right now the season series (the 2nd tie breaker beyond wins) is being won by Boston. 2) the Bruins are a point ahead of the Leafs but have 4 games in hand against them. If the Leafs sweep these two games in regulation (and they must do this), then the Leafs have a 3 pt lead over them with the Bruins still having 4 games in hand. But considering the injuries the leafs have, such wins would be good for morale and the onus would be placed on the Bruins to win at least 2 of those 4 games in hand on Toronto.

    The Leafs also have a road game in Buffalo and although this is not must-win, it would be a huge boost if the Leafs could gain 2 pts. The Leafs play at home against the Habs – their final game before a 5 game road trip that ends January and begins the month of February. Again, they cannot lose to the Habs in regulation in this game.

    – total of 12 wins and 27 points (out of a possible 40 pts)
    1) vs Carolina: 2-0-2—————-so far: 1-0-0
    2) vs Florida: 2-2-0—————-so far: 1-2-0
    3) vs Washington: 3-1-0—————-so far: 1-1-0
    4) vs Atlanta: 2-2-0—————-so far: 1-2-0
    5) vs Tampa Bay 3-0-1—————-so far: 2-0-0
    Compared to last year when the Leafs dominated this division (13-5-2), this year they are 6-5-0. They won a gutsy game in Carolina but lost an ugly one at home to the Panthers. They outplayed but lost to the Caps, continue to struggle against the Thrashers and beat the Lightning. More adjustments were needed with this division thanks to their losses to the Thrashers and Capitals.

    Unbelievably, the Leafs now must not lose in regulation to both Tampa Bay and Carolina, two teams that they are currently 3-0 against. They must go at least 1-0-2 against Carolina and 1-0-1 against Tampa Bay, ON TOP OF going 2-0 versus the Caps, and 1-0 against both Atlanta and Florida.

    The very bad news is that the leafs have already lost the season series to the Panthers so they’d better not be battling with Florida for a final playoff spot.The Leafs are 1-2-0 versus the Panthers whereas Florida is 2-0-1 against the Leafs. that means that even if the leafs win their next and final game against the Panthers in regulation, they will still lose the overall season series to them. So if there was some scenario that the leafs and Panthers tie for 8th with the exact same amount of points and wins, the Panthers would make the playoffs because of their season-series win over the leafs. The 7-3 loss to the Panthers in December would take on a whole new significance then.

    This month the Leafs have 2 games against the Canes (both are must wins or at least must go to OT), one in Tampa Bay Lightning (again, must win or must go to OT), and the Leafs play their final game of the year against Florida in Florida (absolutely must win).

    – total of 10 wins and 24 points (out of a possible 40 points)
    1) vs NYR: 1-2-1—————-so far: 1-0-1
    2) vs NJ: 2-1-1—————-so far: 0-1-1
    3) vs Philadelphia: 2-2-0—————-so far: 1-0-0
    4) vs Pittsburgh: 2-1-1—————-so far: 0-1-0
    5) vs NYI: 3-0-1 —————-so far: 1-0-0
    Not a bad month for the Leafs against the Atlantic division: they beat the Rangers 9-2 but lost in regulation to the Pens. The month of January once again sees the leafs play the Pens once and the Rangers once.

    Future games against the Devils will me must-win games as well since they have already used up all of their losses to NJ. The same can be said for games against Pittsburgh and the Isles. Thus the only must win game this month is against Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh.

    – total of 4 wins and 10 points (out of a possible 20 points)
    1) Cgy: Lose—————-result: Win
    2) Col: Win—————-result: Loss
    3) at CBJ: Win—————-result: Win
    4) at Det: Lose—————-result: Loss
    5) at Chi: Win—————-result: Loss
    6) Minny: Lose—————-result: Won
    7) Van: Win—————-result:
    8) at Nsh: Lose—————-result:
    9) at St.L: OTL or SOL—————-result:
    10) Edm: OTL or SOL—————-result:

    3 of the 10 games against the Western Conference took place in December. Even though the wins and losses are going according to ‘the Plan,’ they are still working out as expected. Instead of losing to the Wild and winning against the Hawks, the Leafs beat the Wild and lost to the Hawks, and they lost to Detroit as expected. The Leafs have just 4 games left against the Western Conference – 3 in Feburary and one game this month at home against the Canucks, a must win. If they lose, some adjustments will have to be made for the games against Nashville, St. Louis, or Edmonton. Moreover, any unexpected wins against the Preds, Blues, or Oilers would give some slack for those games against Eastern conference teams.

  21. 92-93 says:

    So a recap:
    There are NINE – yes nine – must-win games this month —-
    1) Bruins (absolutely must win in regulation)
    2) Bruins (ditto)
    3) Carolina (a win or an OTL/SOL … but NOT a regulation loss)
    4) Vancouver
    5) Tampa Bay (a win or an OTL/SOL … but NOT a regulation loss)
    6) Florida
    7) Pittsburgh (a win or an OTL/SOL … but NOT a regulation loss)
    8) Habs
    9) Carolina (a win or an OTL/SOL … but NOT a regulation loss)

    Hopefully the Leafs will do better than last month where they had 6 must win games and went 0-5-1 in those games.

  22. 92-93 says:

    the division realignments cannot be considered until we know where the Pens are going to be. but assuming they remain in Pittsburgh, here's the way it should go down (Columbus should remain in the West and Atlanta in the East):

    Eastern Conference                                                       
    Atlantic            Northeast                  
    NYR               Toronto
    NYI                Montreal
    New Jersey      Ottawa
    Washington    Philadelphia
    Atlanta           Pittsburgh
    Carolina         Buffalo
    Florida           Boston
    Tampa Bay

    Why in the world would the NHL want to break up the Philly-Pens rivalry? Atlanta is more east than Columbus so keep Atlanta in the East. The Canadian rivalries remain in tact along with Buffalo and Boston. The Atlantic rivalries remain including all the Southeast teams.

    Western Conference                                                       
    Central             Pacific                 
    Detroit           Calgary
    Columbus      Edmonton
    Chicago         Phoenix
    St. Louis        Vancouver
    Nashville        Colorado
    Minnesota      Anaheim
    Dallas            San Jose
                         LA Kings

    The divisional rivalries are maintained, except Dallas and Minnesota returns to the same division as Detroit (remember the Norris division?). In the Pacific, the 3 Canadian teams and Colorado are added to the remaining 4 Pacific division teams.

    The one thing I would change: keep the two divisional winners as the #1 and #2 seeds but NOT the 2nd place teams, who should struggle to make the top-4 with everyone else.

    so, for example, right now, the Eastern Conference standings would look like this:

    1) Buffalo – 1st in Northeast
    2) Atlanta – 1st in Atlantic
    3) Montreal
    4) NJ
    5) Carolina
    6) Ottawa
    7) NYR
    8) Boston
    9) NYI
    10) Leafs
    11) Washington
    12) Pens
    13) TB
    14) Florida
    15) Philadelphia

  23. 92-93 says:

    or … if Pittsburgh goes to KC, ….

    Eastern Conference                                                       
    Atlantic            Northeast                  
    NYR               Toronto
    NYI                Montreal
    New Jersey     Ottawa
    Washington    Philadelphia
    Atlanta           Detroit
    Carolina         Buffalo
    Florida           Boston
    Tampa Bay

    Western Conference                                                       
    Central             Pacific                 
    Kansas City   Calgary
    Columbus      Edmonton
    Chicago         Phoenix
    St. Louis        Vancouver
    Nashville        Colorado
    Minnesota      Anaheim
    Dallas            San Jose
                         LA Kings

    So sid the kid goes out west … and in return the Wings get to play the other original 6 rivals. Chicago? well too bad for Chicago but at least they dont have Detroit pushing them around any more.

    but yeah, that Northeast division looks super-tough and super good.

  24. 92-93 says:

    or, move Columbus to the Northeast instead of Detroit.

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