NHL Rumors – January 23, 2013

The leatest trade rumors from January 23, 2013 include Roberto Luongo, Ben Bishop and the belief that it may just be the Stars, Avalanche or the Habs who are kicking the tires on Luongo.


Spector on NHL: Would Luongo fit with Oilers?

Is Dubnyk the guy? Well, he looked like it was possible when he beat Vancouver 3-2 in a shootout on Sunday. Not so much on Tuesday.

But he’s 6-foot-5, and has been more the Vancouver Dubnyk than the San Jose Dubnyk over the past two seasons. If you drafted him in 2004 and spent all this time developing him, as the Oilers have, wouldn’t you want to see how the book turns out?

Does Edmonton not have time to follow through on the kid? They’re not winning any Cups this year or next.

Or do they abandon the Dubnyk project, send Gagner off to Vancouver, eat the contract and rightfully say they’ve sped up the timeline in Edmonton?

There’s an old saying among GMs that goes, “Never fall in love with a player.”

Edmonton shouldn’t fall in love with Dubnyk, but we think they should give him the season. In this case however, it doesn’t matter.

Because Luongo will never fall in love with Edmonton.

That is why a rumour will remain a rumour.


Could it be the Avs, Stars or Habs that are interested in Luongo?

That has to do something with another players that they have … this would almost seem like a reference to the three unsigned high-profile restricted free agents in the NHL: Jamie Benn of the Dallas Stars, P.K. Subban of the Montreal Canadiens and Ryan O’Reilly of the Colorado Avalanche.

Carey Price says we can rule out that middle team. Considering the ‘Lanche traded a No. 1 pick for Semyon Varlamov, perhaps you rule them out? (Although Luongo would be an upgrade.) Luongo to Dallas? Yeah, not so much with Kari Lehtonen signed through 2018 and Jack Campbell on the way. (Although their owner does have a Vancouver connectioncue ominous music.)

The idea that Vancouver would trade Luongo to the Western Conference is hard to swallow. So perhaps Gillis is referring to an Eastern Conference team that has kicked the tires on Luongo, and that might like to upgrade their goalie position from “crazy person who implodes in the playoffs” to “simply implodes in the playoffs.”

Unless he’s talking about the New York Islanders. Mike Milbury, head asplode.

What are the Canucks avoiding in these trade talks?

Gillis told Cole:

“Excess salary coming back with a [throw-in] player who can’t play in our lineup. They say, ‘OK, we’ll do this, but you’ve got to take this.’ Well, we’re not taking it. We’ve had lots of proposals like that with good pieces that can help us but the other part doesn’t help us, and oftentimes they have term attached to them, so we’d just be turning around and buying out a guy.

“I’d rather keep the guy we know, who’s a good person.”

We’re coming around to that idea, too.

Granted, it may not be the most proactive move when it comes to Cory Schneider’s future or his sanity. Granted, you might be hanging on to Brett Favre and squeezing out Aaron Rodgers (comparison stolen from Keith Jones).

But Luongo and Schneider give you a better chance at the Cup than Schneider and Lack, no?



Should the Oilers trade for another goalie? “The answer is obviously yes,” says TSN’s Bob McKenzie.

Dreger and McKenzie speculate that the Oilers might well have interest in Ottawa’s Ben Bishop

The NHL’s leading trade rumourists, Darren Dreger and Bob McKenzie of TSN, agreed that the Oilers need another goalie, this coming after Oilers starter Devan Dubnyk had let in six goals in the first period against the San Jose Sharks.

“That’s the question moving forward, because of all the uncertainty in the future of the Edmonton Oilers, what do you do in goal,” Dreger said. “Not going to lump the Roberto Luongo talk into the Edmonton Oilers, but we do know that Ottawa’s Ben Bishiop is backing up now Craig Anderson, with Robin Lehner back in the American Hockey League. That’s a part time assignment for Robin Lehner because everyone in hockey knows that Ben Bishop is available. (Ottawa GM) Bryan Murray wants better than the second round draft pick that he gave up to get him. Is Bishop an upgrade in what you have in Devan Dubnyk? Not if the Oilers play defensively like the way they’re playing tonight.”

McKenzie then chimed in. “But you’ve got Khabibulin at his age, and his health concerns, and you’ve got Yann Danis, who for the most part has been a minor leaguer. Do you need a better second option than Devan Dubnyk and some more internal competition?”

“Yes,” said Dreger.

“And the answer is obviously yes,” McKenzie said. “Now is Ben Bishop that guy? And would Edmonton be prepared to meet the price?”





25 Responses to NHL Rumors – January 23, 2013

  1. mojo19 says:

    4th period says LA has inquired about a number of d-men, especially with Matt Greene injured. They could be interested in Carl Gunnarsson.

    Would anyone move Gunner in a deal for Bernier? Personally I’d rather move Liles.

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      Not really interested in moving Gunnar for Bernier.. Bernier is the same situation as Scrivens and Reimer. Maybe with a higher upside but Gunnar is a fairly valuable asset. If Gunnar’s going I’d look to package him for something more proven (even if not a goalie).

      I’m with you though, Liles I probably would. He’s aging and not in the long-term plans.

  2. nordiques100 says:

    I’d move Franson and a 2nd for Bernier.

    And that’s arguably more than what Montreal got for Halak.

    Bernier would be a good pickup.

  3. 93killer93 says:

    I think detroit would be a good trading partner for Toronto. They could use defence with their injuries, and with Gardiner coming back we need to move at least one guy.

  4. But just because another team got ripped off doesn’t me the same value holds for Bernier.

    Personally, I don’t think a 2nd and Franson would be enough.

  5. Steven_Leafs0 says:

    biggest thing to remember here is that if the Leafs would have to waive Scrivins no deal for a Bernier type player is ever going to happen. I cannot see the Leafs moving a decent piece for a goalie when they will have to move a goalie for a decent piece. Pretty dumb. If they can send Scrivins to the AHL I can see Toronto thinking of it to have a situation like in Ottawa.

    As for Toronto moving a defenceman, they are in no hurry. Apparently Holzer can be sent to the AHL without going through waivers (or so I read anyway) so a rush deal to make space for Gardiner is not needed. They will and should move a D out eventually to make space but they do not have to rush.

  6. LeafsOesch says:

    What about Franson, Kulemin, and a 2nd/prospect for Dustin Brown?

  7. So, would you do Scrivins & Franson for Bernier?

    • Steven_Leafs0 says:

      definitely a win for the Leafs IMO but I wouldn’t do it. If Franson must be moved I would rather use him as a throw in to fill a hole we NEED not upgrade the backup position.

  8. nordiques100 says:

    Great win but tough break as Lupul breaks forearm. Likely a 4-6 week injury. ouch.

    • toronto77 says:

      I think JVR will take his spot on the top line, but after the way he played tonight, do you really want to break up JVR-Grabo-Kule?

      You could do Kadri-Bozak-Kessel
      Kadri may not be as big as Lupul but for a small guy, he can still play pretty feisty.
      but JVR may be the closest replacement for Lupul an may do a better job.

      JVR’s second goal was nicer than his first, but his first goal is the type of goals that we have been lacking. Finally!! going to the net. I still stand by my comments from Monday about Buffalo, they took the puck to the net which was good, but they weren’t aggressive enough, then after a while of that not working they starting taking a bunch of point shots without screening Miller and he saw everything. We gave Fleury a tougher time tonight. Mind you I do not think Fleury is as good as Miller and Pitts defence is not as physical as buffalo’s.

  9. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Poor tank nation, Leafs are awesome this year.

  10. mojo19 says:

    JVR was good tonight. And ya, Reimer was very good. I still think we might have a good goalie in Reimer. There is a lot of tension in Toronto and the goaltending position gets scrutinized a ton. It would be nice to see Reimer play to his full abilities and take care of that hole in the crease.

    • nordiques100 says:

      the two goals he did let in were really bad. but probably rust. or probably he was like every other goalie, just guessing what Malkin or Crosby would do.

      He definitely needs to play. He didn’t play a lot last year and what only 30 games his first year. His NHL experience is minimal. He needs to be able to string some games together.

      The same goes for Scrivens. I wonder who plays tonight.

  11. mojo19 says:

    I guess Frattin will be called up for Lupul. I have to imagine that’s the plan any way’s.

    • nordiques100 says:

      Steckel could draw in first and be the 4th line centre with McClement moving up with Kadri and Komarov. at least for tonights game.

      Long term though Frattin is ideal. And don’t count out Connolly being recalled.

      I personally would recall Ryan Hamilton. The guy has been through a lot as a minor leaguer. Kinda like Kostka. He could surprise.

  12. doorman says:

    Here’s a thought, we are three games in, lol, let’s ride this out for a bit before we make moves. Lets let the kids play, win or lose as long as there is a full game effort the outcome doesn’t matter to me. These games played will allow us to see what we have and who can play.

    • JoelLeafs says:

      Plus we don’t want to send the message to the team full of kids that anyone can go at any time. I agree, our best option right now is to ride it out and see where we are in a month. Injuries will happen, I’m more than happy to sit on depth at D.

      • doorman says:

        Agreed Joel, especially since if more injuries happen it will either be a relief we didn’t move a guy, or prices will go up in trade value. It would be nice as a leaf fan to catch a couple breaks, lol, no pun intended

  13. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Just some thoughts to throw out there.

    1. I still think Kulimen is a 20-30 goal a year guy. Too talented, last year was just a poor year IMO. Don’t understand how so many seem to think the 30 goals was a fluke.

    2. Are the Leafs waiting to see if the Flyers trade for Luongo then buy-out Brysgalov. Toronto could then try and get Bryz on the cheap over trading for the long contract of Luongo.

    3. Why do so many insist the first line is whatever line Kessel plays on? I understand the “Kessel is our best player argument”, but to me Grabo-Kuli-JVR should stay together . They will give other teams fits with their size and speed. They could easily be our “first line”.

    4.I find it ironic that the line-up we are playing now reminds me of the line-up Burke tried to build near the start of his term. Some size and toughness up-front, big d-men plus get a couple d who move the puck and rely on good goaltending(which we have had so far). Have we come full circle (somewhat)?

    5. Kadri with Kessel may be a good experiment. Although I still believe Kadri will be a 2nd liner at best. Kadri has good imagination, so let’s give him a shot to see if he can play with a sniper like Kessel.

    6. Kostka reminds me of Mike Van Ryn with better defensive zone coverage. Does nothing great, but does everything well…so far.

    7. Glad to see Colton Orr back. They should have never sent him down. I don’t think teams are taking as many liberties with our guys knowing Orr is there.

    8. I know I harped on and on about how horrible Ron Wilson was as the coach. Now does everyone see why? lol

    9. Man, did I miss hockey!!! Cheers all.

    • mapleleafsfan says:

      Just note on Kulemin. I think most people don’t see him repeating his 30 goal year because his shooting % was unnaturally high. He was shooting something like 17%. Now I think last year was just as fluky in the opposite direction, but I don’t see him as a perennial 30 goal scorer.

      I still don’t know if Kadri can be a legit 1st liner yet, but he is really fun to watch. So shifty. Really glad he’s getting played.

      Orrs been great too, couldn’t agree more. He got rocked at the end of that fight but he got some good shots in too.

      Also interesting thought on Bryz. I sort of hope it’s not the case though. He might be better under our system, but he has looked really awful in the past year and a bit.

    • nordiques100 says:

      1. Kuly still has to show finish to prove he isnt a one year wonder. He is definitely capable of being a 15 goal, strong two way guy, but can he prove to all he can consistently score 25? that’s totally up to him.

      2. Screw Bryzgalov. Mojo hates Luongo but Bryz is far far worse. Rather see Lou or a younger goalie like Bernier.

      3. The Kessel line is the 1st line b/c most if not all opponents will key on Kessel. This makes a potential Grabs, Kuly, JVR trio even more important. They didn’t do well vs Buf, they lost, they along with Mac did well last night and in Montreal, they won. The loss of Lupul will really test this team.

      4. About the whole lineup, Cherry said it best, Burke done in by Wilson and his loyalty to him. Burke got Orr, Komi, Beauchemin, Army, and instead Wilson wanted a finesse lineup. one was traded, 3 were healthy scratches a lot under Wilson. Carlyle is more along the lines of a Burke coach. wants players to be aggressive. wants them to mix it up. wants team toughness.

      5. Kadri is doing his best being a PP specialist getting 10 minutes a game. why ruin a good thing? he’s had 3 points in 3 games. He is maximizing his minutes. I don’t think yet he is good enough defensively to be on the top 6 and playing power vs power. Let him be as is now with Komarov. They are giving the team good energy down there.

      6. good comparison with MVR….hopefully minus the ravaging injuries.

      7. Orr changes the whole complexion of the team. Team can go into the trenches. There is Orr now to stand up to the opponents. Brown is a gutsy guy, but he can’t be it.

      8. see point 4. I hate Wilson.

      9. Hockey never left, just NHL hockey was gone. the AHL and OHL hockey that’s been on has been great. But nice to see the best players back at it. Sorry to see though all the injuries.

  14. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Hey MLF.

    I agree on Kulimen. Just to be clear, I don’t think he will be a perennial 30 goal scorer, but if he gets “2nd line” ice time with players like Grabo and JVR he should get 20-30 a year.

    Not sure if I like the Bryzgalov play either. But if he becomes a free agent and the Leafs can get him for $2.5-$3mil per season on a one-two year contract, you have to believe the Leafs would consider it. Not to say that money and term would get it done, but they may be waiting to see since Scrivens and Reimer have looked good.

  15. doorman says:

    So how long after the game does panic nation kick in? We all will need to remember that they are you g and we will have growing pains

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