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		<title>By: jofa</title>
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		<dc:creator>jofa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although he&#039;s not exactly going to light it up, I think a lot of teams would like a guy like Boughner. Adds character, grit and toughness to the defense. Personally, I don&#039;t know if he&#039;s worth $2+ million for a small market team, but he could be a good fit for the Leafs. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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the bob boughner home page:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.boughner6.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although he&#8217;s not exactly going to light it up, I think a lot of teams would like a guy like Boughner. Adds character, grit and toughness to the defense. Personally, I don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;s worth $2+ million for a small market team, but he could be a good fit for the Leafs. </p>
<p>the bob boughner home page:</p>
<p>http://www.boughner6.com/</p>
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		<title>By: G_Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>G_Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bougher, who the hell wants Boughner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bougher, who the hell wants Boughner</p>
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		<title>By: sluggo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sluggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2003 20:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fan reported about an hour ago that the rumors about Leafs talking to the Sabers about making a trade for Zhitnik are false, the Leafs have not talked to the Sabers since the trade dealine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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However the Leafs ARE talking to the Flames about getting defenseman Bob Boughtner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fan reported about an hour ago that the rumors about Leafs talking to the Sabers about making a trade for Zhitnik are false, the Leafs have not talked to the Sabers since the trade dealine.</p>
<p>However the Leafs ARE talking to the Flames about getting defenseman Bob Boughtner</p>
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		<title>By: TML51</title>
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		<dc:creator>TML51</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must admit that I was quite frustrated with the Leafs lack of action so far, but now that I look over just what has transpired since July 1, perhaps I&#039;m getting a little too hasty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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With the exception of Hatcher, Kariya and Selanne, there have been no really big splashes on the UFA market.  Federov is still available, de Vries is still available, and the list goes on. It&#039;s not just the Leafs who are being cautious...EVERYONE is.  While I&#039;m a little pi$$ed that Quinn is in Vancouver not appearing to be working to hard on UFA signings or trades...no one else is either.  This UFA season is, I think, clearly sending a message that teams are concerned about the impending 2004 CBA dispute.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On the Fan 590 radio, it has been reported that the Leafs have been &quot;very aggressive&quot; in attempting to obtain de Vries, according to his agent Pat Morris.  In a taped interview, he stated that they Leafs had better &quot;hurry up&quot; or his client would be forced to entertain offers from other clubs.  While that type of pressure usually works, I&#039;m thinking that the current UFA&#039;s are going to find it to be a very long summer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Guess I&#039;ll just have to be patient and see what the Leafs do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit that I was quite frustrated with the Leafs lack of action so far, but now that I look over just what has transpired since July 1, perhaps I&#8217;m getting a little too hasty.</p>
<p>With the exception of Hatcher, Kariya and Selanne, there have been no really big splashes on the UFA market.  Federov is still available, de Vries is still available, and the list goes on. It&#8217;s not just the Leafs who are being cautious&#8230;EVERYONE is.  While I&#8217;m a little pi$$ed that Quinn is in Vancouver not appearing to be working to hard on UFA signings or trades&#8230;no one else is either.  This UFA season is, I think, clearly sending a message that teams are concerned about the impending 2004 CBA dispute.</p>
<p>On the Fan 590 radio, it has been reported that the Leafs have been &#8220;very aggressive&#8221; in attempting to obtain de Vries, according to his agent Pat Morris.  In a taped interview, he stated that they Leafs had better &#8220;hurry up&#8221; or his client would be forced to entertain offers from other clubs.  While that type of pressure usually works, I&#8217;m thinking that the current UFA&#8217;s are going to find it to be a very long summer.</p>
<p>Guess I&#8217;ll just have to be patient and see what the Leafs do.</p>
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		<title>By: jofa</title>
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		<dc:creator>jofa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They are not competitive because they are a good organization. They are only competitive because they have money.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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That perfectly sums up what I&#039;ve been thinking. Its not necessarily the content or management of the team that has resulted in their limited success (i.e. second/third round exits), but more likely the result of the &quot;war chest&quot;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Its too bad, as the Leafs do have such a great history and the dollars and fan base for greatness, but it looks like they are content with mediocracy. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They are not competitive because they are a good organization. They are only competitive because they have money.&#8221;</p>
<p>That perfectly sums up what I&#8217;ve been thinking. Its not necessarily the content or management of the team that has resulted in their limited success (i.e. second/third round exits), but more likely the result of the &#8220;war chest&#8221;. </p>
<p>Its too bad, as the Leafs do have such a great history and the dollars and fan base for greatness, but it looks like they are content with mediocracy. </p>
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		<title>By: sluggo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sluggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lof the reason Quinn doesn&#039;t have money to spend IS Quinn&#039;s fault because he over pays bad players, a lot.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Kidd - 2 mil&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Reichel - 3.75&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hoglund - 1.4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Green - 1.4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Lumme - 1.165&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Eriksson - 1.25&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
All over paid, and now they&#039;ve tied up 4 million with Svehla, who may not even play and may of hte players are upset with what Svehla is doing. Quinn has mad a lot of stupid moves with the teams money, he pays bad players a lot of money so theres no money left to get good players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lof the reason Quinn doesn&#8217;t have money to spend IS Quinn&#8217;s fault because he over pays bad players, a lot.</p>
<p>Kidd &#8211; 2 mil</p>
<p>Reichel &#8211; 3.75</p>
<p>Hoglund &#8211; 1.4</p>
<p>Green &#8211; 1.4</p>
<p>Lumme &#8211; 1.165</p>
<p>Eriksson &#8211; 1.25</p>
<p>All over paid, and now they&#8217;ve tied up 4 million with Svehla, who may not even play and may of hte players are upset with what Svehla is doing. Quinn has mad a lot of stupid moves with the teams money, he pays bad players a lot of money so theres no money left to get good players.</p>
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		<title>By: jofa</title>
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		<dc:creator>jofa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Leafs have drafted a few decent prospects. Check out www.hockeysfuture.com to see how they are lining up. The Leafs are ranked 16th out of the 30 teams in terms of the quality of their prospects. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The site ranks Colaiacovo, Steen, Tellqvist, Stajan and Bell as the top 5 prospects. I think all of these guys were drafted in the past two or three years. Ponikarovsky should be a good player as well. The Leafs may have traded their best prospect away when they traded Boyes to San Jose. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the Leafs have been drafting a lot better in the last few years, as the only highlights from 1992-1997 were guys like VandenBussche, Dempsey, Kenny Jonsson, Landon Wilson, Frederik Modin, Sergei Berezin, Danny Markov, and Kaberle - almost all of which have been traded away. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Since 1998, they seem to have drafted a little smarter, although none of their draftees have really made any sort of impact in the NHL, with the possible exception of Antropov. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Overall, I&#039;d have to think that scouting and development in the Maple Leafs organization hasn&#039;t been that successful. In comparison, over the same period from 1998 - 2002, some other teams have drafted NHL players like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Edmonton: Horcoff, Semenov, Comrie, Hemsky, Markkanen&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Ottawa: Shastlivy, Havlat, Neil, Prusek, Volchenkov, Spezza&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
San Jose: Stuart, Mikael Samuelsson, Jillson, Levesque&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Detroit: Jiri Fischer, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Colorado: Tanguay, Skoula, Regehr, Parker, Abid, Hahl, Vrbata, Nedorost, Kurt Sauer ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Leafs have drafted a few decent prospects. Check out www.hockeysfuture.com to see how they are lining up. The Leafs are ranked 16th out of the 30 teams in terms of the quality of their prospects. </p>
<p>The site ranks Colaiacovo, Steen, Tellqvist, Stajan and Bell as the top 5 prospects. I think all of these guys were drafted in the past two or three years. Ponikarovsky should be a good player as well. The Leafs may have traded their best prospect away when they traded Boyes to San Jose. </p>
<p>I think the Leafs have been drafting a lot better in the last few years, as the only highlights from 1992-1997 were guys like VandenBussche, Dempsey, Kenny Jonsson, Landon Wilson, Frederik Modin, Sergei Berezin, Danny Markov, and Kaberle &#8211; almost all of which have been traded away. </p>
<p>Since 1998, they seem to have drafted a little smarter, although none of their draftees have really made any sort of impact in the NHL, with the possible exception of Antropov. </p>
<p>Overall, I&#8217;d have to think that scouting and development in the Maple Leafs organization hasn&#8217;t been that successful. In comparison, over the same period from 1998 &#8211; 2002, some other teams have drafted NHL players like:</p>
<p>Edmonton: Horcoff, Semenov, Comrie, Hemsky, Markkanen</p>
<p>Ottawa: Shastlivy, Havlat, Neil, Prusek, Volchenkov, Spezza</p>
<p>San Jose: Stuart, Mikael Samuelsson, Jillson, Levesque</p>
<p>Detroit: Jiri Fischer, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall</p>
<p>Colorado: Tanguay, Skoula, Regehr, Parker, Abid, Hahl, Vrbata, Nedorost, Kurt Sauer </p>
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		<title>By: sluggo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sluggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think once Quinn and Penny are gone we&#039;ll finally get some managment that doesn&#039;t have its head up its ass (Quinn blocked Dryden being Gainy to the Leafs) and will make some good moves. Quinn and Penny made just as many bad moves with Vancouver as they have with the Leafs, these are two guys who shouldn&#039;t be in charge of a hockey team. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve seen many reports that the new owner (cant&#039; spell his name) wants to bring in a lot of young guys, like Healy so that once Quinn leaves  (and he hopes maybe he&#039;ll quit rather then deal with the young guys) the leafs will have a new managment staff with new, fresh ideas and a different way of looking at things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think once Quinn and Penny are gone we&#8217;ll finally get some managment that doesn&#8217;t have its head up its ass (Quinn blocked Dryden being Gainy to the Leafs) and will make some good moves. Quinn and Penny made just as many bad moves with Vancouver as they have with the Leafs, these are two guys who shouldn&#8217;t be in charge of a hockey team. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen many reports that the new owner (cant&#8217; spell his name) wants to bring in a lot of young guys, like Healy so that once Quinn leaves  (and he hopes maybe he&#8217;ll quit rather then deal with the young guys) the leafs will have a new managment staff with new, fresh ideas and a different way of looking at things.</p>
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		<title>By: sluggo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sluggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your mis-quoting the Leafs about Niewendyk. They have NEVER said they are interested, they have said that right now they are only worried about fixing the D (talking wtih de Vries and trying to trade for Zhitnek) and after that is done they will consider wehre Niewendyk can fit in. This is still brainless (Niewendyk = second line center, duh) but they havn&#039;t said no to him yet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wesleys agent hasn&#039;t said talks have stoped, they just aren&#039;t going anywhere fast thats all. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your mis-quoting the Leafs about Niewendyk. They have NEVER said they are interested, they have said that right now they are only worried about fixing the D (talking wtih de Vries and trying to trade for Zhitnek) and after that is done they will consider wehre Niewendyk can fit in. This is still brainless (Niewendyk = second line center, duh) but they havn&#8217;t said no to him yet.</p>
<p>Wesleys agent hasn&#8217;t said talks have stoped, they just aren&#8217;t going anywhere fast thats all. </p>
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		<title>By: sluggo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sluggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong, Quinn is a moron and should be fired.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I have no problem with building from within, but you don&#039;t trade 5 of your draft picks (including the first round pick in one of the deepest drafts ever) and your best offensive prospect for 4 players over 30 years old (30,34,39 and 39) then 3 months later say that your rebuilding from within. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Most of the leafs players are over 30 years old, a lot of them are skilled, but they are older. THe Leafs should be going for the cup this year and players like Hatcher would only help do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong, Quinn is a moron and should be fired.</p>
<p>I have no problem with building from within, but you don&#8217;t trade 5 of your draft picks (including the first round pick in one of the deepest drafts ever) and your best offensive prospect for 4 players over 30 years old (30,34,39 and 39) then 3 months later say that your rebuilding from within. </p>
<p>Most of the leafs players are over 30 years old, a lot of them are skilled, but they are older. THe Leafs should be going for the cup this year and players like Hatcher would only help do that.</p>
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