Dave Nonis expected to stay on as #leafs general manager under new president Brendan Shanahan: http://t.co/ledLKfVOXQ
— Chris Johnston (@reporterchris) April 11, 2014
Dave Nonis expected to stay on as #leafs general manager under new president Brendan Shanahan: http://t.co/ledLKfVOXQ
— Chris Johnston (@reporterchris) April 11, 2014
What is needed now is a huge blockbuster trade. Summer can’t come soon enough.
I agree. And i still think they’d live to see many good days if they keep their core, JVR, Phil, Reilly, Bernier along with the guys who are pretty well untradeable: Dion, Clarkson, Bozak. And throw in Lupul as well.
I think they can easily get 2 top end players for whatever they have left.
And they’re not going to suffer “for years” even if they part with several of their other future pieces like Gardiner, Kadri and their now likely top 10 pick.
I think Shanny will bring in a really good team of people around him to help him and Nonis.
And I said it before. The two big, high risk moves the Leafs decided to do most recently, getting Sundin and getting Kessel, turned out great IMO.
top 10 pick is a good start for trading, look at what the number 9 pick got new jersey last year? and a number 8 pick plus voracek who was pretty equal to a kadri player when he got traded but then just took off in philly. I think a kadri + 10th overal is a very good start to aquiring a player. Kadri has turned up his play towards the end of the season and is ready to break out in my opinion but i think the pressure here in toronto might be whats holding him back so i do agree with making him available for the right piece. He has been exceptional with the puck lately and making smart puck decisions, getting the puck deep once getting in trouble but still trying to do too much inside the zone. his play at the blueline is better but inside offensive zone he has to dish the puck more and get into the open. Kadri + 10th overal pick is a very good start for kesler if im vancouver and kesler does in fact want out. I dont think we should blow up our team tho. Were young and going through some growing pains and we have a good core to build around. I do think people who say we can trade gardiner are absolutely crazy tho. He takes over plays and breaks out of our zone when we have the puck better then anybody on our team and plays with heart. Who says you cant have two players like reilly and gardiner? giving up gardiner AND kadri AND a top 10 pick… we better be getting a top 15 player in the league cause that is a huge price tag and a receipe for disaster.
Kadri, Gardiner, 8th overall pick for Shea Weber.
I would start a little less than that in the initial offer (and of course we have to assume Weber would be open to moving to Toronto) but I would totally move that package for Weber. With Nashville not ready to compete in the west and Jones being the next big d-man I think moving Weber’s huge cash hit would allow Nashville to spend another 4-6M I’m cap and make themselves a contender.
I suppose the only question is would Nashville take that deal and if not what would they realistically take?
Yeah it’s looking like Kadri or Gardiner will be used as bait for top end players. It’s not ideal, but you have to give up something.
It’s probably low chance, but don’t be shocked if Phaneuf is moved. Although his contract is big, he logs lots of ice time and he’s still extremely durable like a piece of rubber. I think there would be takers like some team desperate for defense. That is, if Nonis thinks the Leafs need to go in another direction.
Hard to think he will be especially with nonis keeping his job (not saying that negatively, i dont mind him as a gm), he just resigned him to a big deal and the before the first year of the new contract he has to tell him the team is going in a different direction? if he can swallow his pride thats good on him
We obviously need an upgrade on defence, but not many good ones available as ufa’s (Matt niskanen, maybe). Is there any way they can opt out of phaneufs deal before it kicks in July, maybe trade for someone like Edler or Giordano (if they are even available). Or someone like kulikov or Tom Gilbert although they wouldn’t be a huge upgrades. Any suggestions?
I was impressed with kulikov’s play last night vs leafs. Same with Gudbranson, very mobile for a monster of a guy. Anybody else nervous for how good florida is going to be in a few years? especially now with a green light to spend to the cap with new ownership? I gotta tell you
kulikov – campbell
gudbranson – jovanovski
that is a very good start for the back end. An up front.. barkov and bjugstad have good size. I personally think bjugstad is going to be a star with his size and a perfect building block to build a contender. Surround him with huberdeau and barkov.. thats pretty good building blocks upfront with a top 5 pick coming and a green light to spend on FA ? i like where the team is headed for sure.
Tim Gleason and Brendan Shanahan had a good fight back in ’05.
That’s awesome. I love Gleason, he’s been like a loyal dog on our blueline. He gets REALLY mad sometimes, he has those crazy eyes. If anyone is being a pest, or if Bernier gets bumped, etc. Gleason is right there ready to go. Really glad we picked him up.
I’m a Gleason fan too. He actually cares. If everyone on the Leafs showed the same passion, they’d be in the playoffs.
Love when the Leafs have a guy like him or Tim Brent that will sacrifice themselves to block a shot aggressively, they really stand out among all the other Leafs stick checking.
Gleason is a lot of what I had hoped for in Komisarek.
Yeah and Gleason can actually skate. Too bad him and Clarkson are the only heart and soul guys on the team who will stick up for anyone.
Leafs just aren’t hard to play against like they were last year.
A healthy Bolland is pure heart but ‘savvy’ Leaf fans are too busy running him out of town..
Yeah Bolland too. Has Bolland ever been in a fight? For someone who plays with as much heart and physicality as him you would assume he’d have a few under his belt.
I’m worried about the injury though.
Same, I’d be really hesitant to throw him big money on big term. As much as I like him, that’s a weird injury and he might never be the same.
I wouldn’t say Clarkson is a heart and soul guy(After what I saw this particular season). He had that one play in pre-season when he jumped off the bench but other than that he has been very quiet emotionally.
Clarkson took on Lucic. What else shows heart more than that?…or stupidity.lol
Lead the team in fights and lead forwards in hits. Tried to fight Bertuzzi over a water bottle.
Horrible production but the effort was there.
I don’t have a problem with keeping Nonis. The Bernier trade proved he’s smart. He knows which way the wind is blowing.
Hiring Shanahan is a good move I think. He’s a winner and well liked by players, which could only help to attract players to the Leafs.
Now bring in a fresh new coach and you have a new beginning.
Fire Nonis, hire Gillis (a former executive of the year winner) then we can trade Bernier for a pick (just not Edmonton’s) then make Reimer our #1
Reimer was a big disappointment in several important games down the stretch. One of two good games in the end doesn’t reverse that.
Just jokes, Reimer is gone.
I dig. You had me going there.
Gillis is the last exec i’d hire. We’ve already done the giant ego thing already with Burke. The guy is full of himself but what did he ever accomplish other than sign Hamhuis?
the Twins, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Luongo, Schnieder, Bieska, Edler etc were all Burke/Nonis acquisitions.
Gillis is useless.
And that goes with every team BTW. Gillis name should never ever be mentioned here joking or otherwise. He makes Mel Bridgeman a top exec. Or Randy Sexton? JFJ? who else am i missing?
i love that Duthie outed him as a arrogant you know what.
On the plus side though, We could have an MMA fight between him and Nonis in the cage.
Who’d you put money on. My money is on Gillis. Nonis might have the weight advantage.
I was at a stag on friday and with 100 people there of course the topic of conversation was the leafs!lol. Almost everyone agreed that the leafs have to get rid of phaneuf! Not only is he not a captain but he is not even a leader! The leafs should give themselves and him a fresh start. Of course their are some people who say who should trade phaneuf and some who say you shouldn’t, but I think that all can agree that he should be stripped of the C. Nick Kypreos hit the nail on the head last week when he said that the leafs should strip him of the C and if you are going to go that far than you might as well trade him because he may not be a very pleasant guy in the room if that happens. It’s clear that phaneuf has relationship issues! It was leaked after he was traded from calgary that he didn’t get along with iginla hence why the asking price was so low from sutter to get him out. It was leaked after schenn was traded to philly that apparently phaneuf didn’t get along with him either and for the life of me I cannot understand why Hartnall hates him so much! Phaneuf needs to be traded to a team where he will be a #3 or #4 d-man where there are clearly much better players than him and put him in his place and checks his ego at the door. In Toronto he is clearly our best d-man(for now) and probably acts a certain that makes teammates hate him or at least do not respect him.
I am a huge beleiver in keeping picks and developing players and that the leafs were so stupid for trading away so many 1st round picks over the years but if the leafs were to make such a decision is this the year to do it? This ’14 draft isn’t predicted to be as deep as the ’13 or ’12 draft so maybe we risk trading our 8th overall pick. There are not a lot of teams that would want phaneuf at all!! especially with that contract but does that 8th overall pick sweeten the deal? That are some rumors that Weber may want out of Nashville, so is Phaneuf and the 8th overall a good starting point?
Even if we keep the 8th overall pick I think we should use the red wing model with him and do not allow him to make the team for at least 3 or 4 years and properly develop. This team cannot wait that long and this team already has young players that are developing who are closer to making the team and can always aqcuire players that are in the 20-25 year old range.
Keep Phaneuf. Phaneuf and Weber would be one of the best d pairings in the league (if not the best). I would be ok with giving Weber the C if we got him though.
At this point I would move almost anything to get Weber. But since championship teams are built from the net out we cannot move Phaneuf until Reilly is 100% ready. Like willing to pay him 6+M for 8 years with an average ice time of 20+ minutes ready.
I think we should move Phaneuf. I’ve already said this a few times, but I think this would be the time to move him. Edmonton seems desperate to add help on the blue line now instead of waiting. The main focus would be to clear cap space and get assets they can trade for the Staals. If Carolina is going to move them this summer, the Leafs should be in on it. Marc Staal is only one year away from Free Agency, and I think it’s safe to assume he’s going to sign where ever his brothers are. So we trade for Emonton’s pick and draft Ekblad, sign a few veterans this summer and deal with the growing pains, and go after Marc.
Is their anyway Toronto can move up in the draft…I’ve heard they have the 8th or ninth pick? Can they move to 4?
The top-5 is mostly big, potential star centers, and lord knows the Leafs need one…And this franchise has never really had superstar players in the last while.
How about the Islanders (Everyone always mentions them because they might be the most willing)…However, this team is loaded (future-wise) up the middle and possibly D so they need a winger or goalie.
8th or 9th can get you a guy like Brendan Perlini, Nikolai Elhjers, or Kasperi Kapanen…3 solid wingers for Tavares.
So…Since the Leafs are dealing Reimer…
– 8th or 9th pick.
– James Reimer
– Rights to a guy like Kulimen or a secondary-prospect.
– 4th overall pick.
Toronto possibly has a choice at either Sam Bennett, Michael Dal Colle, or Leon Draisaitl.
Yeah, prospects are unpredictable…But top-5 usually make an impact.
I don’t think that’s possible.
Kulemin is a UFA, no? I could be wrong.
If they wanted Reimer, he could be had for less than swapping out first round picks. I think offering a 2nd would get the leafs to bite on it.
I think the Oilers and the Islanders are the 2 teams that would move the pick. For Edmonton trading down would still let them draft a defenceman in Fleury plus they can add help right now. The same goes for the Islanders, like you said there are a few wingers they can draft at 8. I guess it really depends on how the lottery works out Tuesday and what the order ends up being. The last 3 drafts, someone other than the last place team won the lottery. So with the changes from the CBA anything can happen.
Wonder how NYI value their pick given they have to cough one up to Buffalo next year. Lots of pressure to make the playoffs next year however given they won’t add a prospect next year in the 1st round Snow could be conservative.
NYI might be that market to exploit that is desperate to make the playoffs much like JFJ was when he sold the farm for Raycorft and Toskala.
Phaneuf & Riemer for NYI’s pick or Strome?
Given we most likely keep Phaneuf…
With Debour extended and given that Debour used to coach Kadri in Kitchener could a Kadri for Larsson deal work (even throw in Franson)? A good young RHD that Debour hasn’t played much because he prefers his veterans. NJ is hard up for a capable top six center.
Larsson would be another cap friendly blueliner to co-exist with Phaneuf’s cap hit. Dion needs to be re-invented into a Bouwmeester, in a smaller role he could excel. In three years his salary may even been fair if the cap soars.
Granberg looked like he at least has a pulse wouldn’t mind seeing him in Ranger’s spot next season, another RHD would help if he can play. Ranger and Granberg could be decent 6/7s to interchange.
Bernier only played 55 games, bring in Brodeur to tadem
If we could pull both deal….
JVR – Bozak – Kessel
Lupul – Strome – Kulemin
Clarkson – Bolland – Komarov … I know, I’m a Bolland mark
D’Amigo – McClement – Ashton
Gunnersson – Larsson
Rielly – Gardiner
Gleason – Granberg
Brodeur (how great of a mentor would he be?)
We would have tons of cap room left I would think, which is good. What I don’t like is Gunnar and Larsson as a 1st pairing, Kulimen on the 2nd line. Does Strome really give us anything that Kadri doesn’t or can’t? Not sure how good a mentor Brodeur will be. He will have to accept he will be a back-up and I’m not sure if he has really excepted that yet. I think our D gets ate alive, we will have trouble scoring and get pushed around a lot…but no way of knowing really until they took the ice.
It’s a reset at positions that need to be changed.
Our D is getting eaten alive if we add veterans too, so why invest in old hacks? The reality is that we need be patient with our blueline because Gardiner and Rielly need to develop anyway.
That’s the thing, I want them to develop, not get beaten and buried on most nights. Vets can help young d-men develop. Throwing them to the wolves is not developing them.imo Plus you can always add vets, hard to add young talent like a Rielly.
Then keep Phaneuf, Larsson would be a great RHD to turn that into a quality pair.
I think Larsson would get run out of town in leaf land. I just don’t see him being a special d-man in the league.
Look at blueliners that get run out of town… Murphy, McCabe, Kubina, Beauchemin, Finger, JML, Komisarek, Hal Gill…. all veterans, I don’t understand why people think Orpik or Bieska would be different.
Appreciated blueliners, Gardiner, Aulie, Rielly, Kaberle (drafted and developed in house), Schenn (people turned on him after the JVR trade)….
Leaf Nation love young talented blueliners. Hell people still lament Kenny Jonsson to this day.
Larsson would be loved.
Personally, I don’t care if Leaf fans try and run vets out of town or not. I only care how they can help now, and help mentor our young d-men.
Given that list of veterans those once those vets turn useless we’re killed against the cap.
No thanks to a JFJ style retool, IMO
I really don’t know what you are referring to.
Every time we load up on veteran blueliners we not only end up with a terrible blueline but an expensive one.
Fair enough, but the one I have below should come in under $22mil for 7 guys. Most expensive D makes $4.6 per season. Hardly an expensive blueline.
Just for fun. We have nothing left but time to speculate anyway.lol
Lupul, 2014 1st
Kadri, Franson, Orr, Biggs
Sign Gardiner 2 yrs $2.5 per bridge deal
Sign Kassian 2 yrs $2 per bridge deal
Sign Orpik 4 yrs $4.25 per
Sign Ranger 2 yrs $1.5 per
Kane Bozak Kessel
JVR Staal Clarkson
? Holland/? Kassian
??? ??? ????
That puts the Leafs at about $56mil leaving approx. $13-$14 mil to fill out the 3rd and 4th lines, extras and a backup goalie. Should be done easily.
I like the first two trades, gotta say not a fan of the third trade tho, after the first two trades i dont see a huge point of the second one and think our team would be better off without it actually and try kadri on the wing which we’ve tried before. I dont like clarkson on the second line, like i hope his production increases but i wouldnt be comfortable putting money on him producing at a second line pace. Would like us to sign orpik tho and resign bolland. I think the prolonged injury decreases his value for FA and will take less money. Also resign raymond, hes not all that bad in the corners and puck possession for a speedster.
JVR – bozak – kessel
kane – staal – kadri
raymond – bolland – clarkson
bodie – smith – biggs
reilly – orpik
gardiner – franson
gleason – gunnarson
I can see why winnipeg would do the trade, having problems with kane and they get lupul who maurice liked, along with a top 10 pick.
If you look at good bluelines how often are they made by throwing a bunch of guys together, they have to work as a unit and grow a bit more organically. Toronto has been victim of the musical chair on D during the JFJ and Burke years (especially Burke’s lets go 9 deep idiocy). Take LA or Nashville how often do they bring in UFAs or trade blueliners, Nashville has been excellent and easing talent in.
Winning is a result, just bringing in a few names or pieces from winning teams that weren’t the core doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Bieska is a good fit in Vancouver, so is Orpik in Pittsburgh doesn’t mean they are pieces of a winning team in Toronto.
Looking at that blueline, I’m not hating on it but Oprik and Bieska are really 50/50 at best to solve our issues on the blueline and when they don’t you have the same issue in Toronto. If they don’t produce Gleason, Orpik and Bieska as contracts you can’t move and can’t win with and you can’t expect them to get much better at their age.
I’d rather roll the dice on kids that if it doesn’t work out you can at least walk away from.
You complain that Kadri has attitude problems yet you want Evander Kane? Not to mention Lupul is just as good as him and its a top 10 1st that could get a player as good as Kane.
And you always say that talent wins out…so you should be happy with the trade.
Kane has potential to be better than Lupul and is a lot more physical and 7 years younger. I doubt you get a kane in this years draft with the 8th pick.
It’s probably a fair value trade, I just don’t see Totonto having any need to do it. Their issues are on defense. If that 1st is to be moved, it should be for either a higher 1st or an upgrade on defense. Not a sideways move that may or may not look good in the future.
But seriously, if attitude problems are such a big deal to you, why trade for potentially the biggest piece of work in the NHL?
I’ve never bought into the whole connection between Kadri and an attitude problem, but you were making it clear to everyone that he has an attitude problem and he should be traded because of it. Which sure, if you think that’s a problem then that’s fine, I understand. But bringing in someone who’s even more of a dressing room problem at a high cost? Pretty contradictory.
Is Kane just that good that an attitude problem doesn’t matter anymore? Because you make it seem like it’s a huge issue with Kadri, when very few people think he has an attitude problem whereas the whole hockey world and then some knows about Kane’s.
Kadri’s attitude issues are hardly believed by only a few. With Kadri, I go by what I have also seen, not just read about. Kadri’s issue go back to junior, whereas Kane was supposed to be a model guy until he got paid huge. But, yes, rumours are that Kane has a attitude, but big difference is that the management and coaches don’t seem to see it that way. In Kadri’s case, his coaches have eluded to attitude problems in different areas. Wilson, Eakins and Carlyle have all seem to have issues with Nazem.
Would it be a risky trade and could Kane actually have an attitude problem? Yes. I have also said many times that we need to be bigger, tougher to play against. Kane brings this. I also had us trade for Staal in that proposal which makes Kadri expendable as I believe we need to be bigger down the middle.
Speed and skill alone will not win the cup. We have too many players that have those qualities and we are too easy to play against. We need to take our best speed/skill guys and surround them with the Backes, Clarkson’s, Lucic’s. Kadri/Bozak is not a good one/two punch.imo
I can see a major move coming very soon.
Way too many deals that either don’t improve our defense or actually weaken it. If we get outshot next season like we are now there is no way we compete for a playoff spot at all.
If we trade Phaneuf we need to get back a proven top 2 defense that can play 22+ minutes AND either get another defense that can play with the replacement or hope that our young guys just magically become ready.
I think the graduation of more ice time for reilly will take the ice time off of getting rid of phaneuf and a signing of a physical defensive specialist in orpik would work very well. I would also like to see gleason get more ice time. Hes also good in our dzone. those two make up for the lack of physical play of reilly and gardiner. Orpik-gleason-franson, our d would be tough to play against. Phaneuf just isnt playing all that physical anymore, plays more of a stick checking-low intensity game for some reason
Yeah, still though that is a lot of hoping. We hope that the extra ice time will benefit the kids, we hope we get someone in FA that will make up for the loss, and we hope Gleason and Franson can play 16-18 minutes effectively.
If the return for Phaneuf was basically an overpayment like Ekblad or something then we should do it and hope. But if we are moving Phaneuf, Kadri, 8th overall for Ekblad then we shouldn’t panic and move him IMO.
Besides if we are hoping that all of our young defense improve then why not keep Phaneuf and not make any changes to the back end at all? In your example Phaneuf >>> Orpik so we should be better off no?
What team is going to trade their proven top 2 defenceman that plays 22+ mins for Phaneuf? Seriously, what GM will take on Phaneuf at more money then their current top 2 D where Phaneuf is most likely not an upgrade?
Trade Phaneuf for a centre and then use Kadri as a piece for a D.
Or trade The piece(s) in the Phaneuf trade ++ for an upgrade, whatever it doesn’t really matter how but if we move Phaneuf we NEED that top 2 defense back.
Like I said…who is this upgrade and what team/GM wants Phaneuf in return? It’s not that he is bad, it’s still $7mil a year and a downgrade for the other team. No offence, I just don’t see it happening.
Which is why it would be dumb to trade Phaneuf. Give up a top 2 defense when our team is shit defensively.
Nonis looked pretty loose today, has a history of being a good assistant GM, like Nonis better in a secondary role, bringing in buff Paul Rudd as president can work fine.
Though Nonis didn’t offer Randy any support, the writing is on the wall Caryle.
There is such a healthy obsession with removing Phaneuf.
Again, it cant be said enough. He had no help whatsoever back there. If you are so adamant he isnt a top guy, well then fine, thats probably very true. Then, at the very least you need to get him some legit help. What he has with him is pathetic and there is little wonder why he struggles as most if not all the responsibility is heaped on him. The reason being there isnt anyone else qualified to handle that responsibility. Thats not his fault. Thats the team and hopefully Shanny recognizes it.
His partner was Carl Gunnarsson. He is at best a 5th guy on contending teams.
Gardiner is mostly offence only. In the category of a Mike Green, Eric Karlsson or Kris Letang. He’s good at what he does, but he is awful in his own zone and cannot be trusted with any other role on defence other than provide offence.
Reilly has a ton of potential, and may eventually be a top pairing guy. But he is a teenager. He isn’t there yet and may not get there for 3 more years.
Franson is gawd awful and Gleason is an overpaid depth guy who does a solid job as a 3rd pairing dude, but nothing more. Along with Ranger, there are 3 guys who don’t skate great.
Kids like Grannberg, Percy, Finn etc they’ll have a chance, but we can’t count on them to be top 4 players.
Couple all that with the fact the top line can’t check, the 2nd line is worse than the top line defensively, and without Bolland they used Kulemin to centre the 3rd line, which both it and the 4th line gave no offence, you have to start thinking, maybe the team needs better talent.
This all isnt saying the coach isnt to blame. he is to blame too. But there just seems to be a fixation that its either Carlyle or Dion at fault and once those are dealt with, that’s that. we’re good. No. We’re not good.
I am hoping Leafy is right and there is a big massive change here. I don’t think anyone is safe or untouchable, but the last guys to move are Kessel, Reilly, Bernier and JVR. Again, anything can happen, so don’t discount anything, but all in all, plenty of blame to go around, meaning once Shanahan and co. have had a chance to digest it all, they’ll hopefully see something they can do.
There just seems to be a lot of things they can/should do, which makes it more difficult. Its not just one or two tinkers that usually the top teams usually just have on the docket. The Leafs list is so long. beyond just captain and/or coach.
Say both Dion and Lups stay on the team, why not make Lupul the home captain and Dion the away captain?
Lupul is the fan favourite while almost everyone hates Dion. Less pressure on Phaneuf, while not being completely stripped of the C. Might compete harder to prove he should be captain. A kick in the ass might help him. And Lupul seems like a guy who loves the spotlight, could really shine wearing the C at home.
Just an idea, might bring the best out of both of them and whether you like them or not, their best is really great. Consistency is their biggest issues.
Terry Brotz got canned in Nashvile. Good guy for the Leafs to bring in.
Or however you spell his name.
Lol, then dangle trotz in front of Weber. Muhahahaha.
Stupid Poile already said Weber will be a Predator next season.
“I think Randy’s a good hockey coach, I’ll say that, but beyond that, I have to go up and talk to Dave and talk to him about Randy and the entire staff”.
I’d love it if Shanny just bullies his staff like make Nonis call and set interviews for him for people to take Nonis’ job. Call Poile Dave, get permission to talk to him about an opportunity in Toronto.
The more I think about it, I really believe a Phaneuf for J.Staal is a good move for both teams. We need a big two-way #2 centre and Bozak/Staal looks a lot better than Bozak/Kadri to me. Carolina needs a D-man like Dion.
I know many want to keep Phaneuf unless we are sure we can upgrade on him. I like Dion, I don’t like the price tag and I don’t like him as “thee” guy. Just like I Like Clarkson, but I don’t like the price tag and wouldn’t like him as the number 1 RW. We have Kessel, so no problem there.
IMO, we need Staal more than Phaneuf. We need to find partners for Rielly and Gardiner then, which each should be cheaper than Dion as they will be defensive d-men likely. Easy to find? No, but neither is finding a partner for Dion and that partner will be very expensive against the cap.
If we had Staal, Kadri becomes a moveable asset that may help land a veteran D to pair with one of the kids. Maybe guys like Polak, Jackman, Bieksa, Hamhuis become available. Surround Rielly and Gardiner with vets for a couple of years to help them develop their overall game. Guys who play strong defence and have a bit of an edge to them. There are also some vet UFA’s that may help like an Orpik(as long as asking price and term is doable). Just what I would like to see the Leafs do.
Most likely though, Phaneuf stays, he will look very good… as long as there is no real pressure games down the stretch or playoffs.
Who do you guys think Toronto will (most likely) draft with the 8th pick?
A couple have said Nikolaj Elhers…But I cannot see the Leafs drafting another winger. They’re solid on the wings and guys like Leivo/Brown look like wteals. Also, they do have 3/4 guys like Biggs, Ross, and D’Amigo.
I can see them going defence, although deep in D…You can never be deep enough.
The next option is C…Holland looks promising as a second–line guy. Gauthier has a role no matter what as a 2C or 3C….And they have some promising projects in McKegg and Verhaege (who had great seasons by all means). But that is still the biggest concern as the parent club is really poor down the middle.
What do you think?
I’ve read that Nick Ritchie compares to Milan Lucic, so he may be a good option. Also Virtanen, McCann or Perlini would be good.
I don’t think anyone beyond 3 is set in stone, so I think it is possible that a guy like Draisaitl falls to 8, in which case they should take him. Unless it is to move up into the top 3, I don’t think moving up really makes sense.
Also based on that description, Alex Tuch sounds like a good option.
Have to go with a centre.
I would like to see them land Virtanen.
If the Sabres pick 1st and select Reinhart or Bennett and the Panthers select Ekblad second, leaving the Oilers without Ekblad and yet another skilled forward to choose, I would offer a package that includes Gardiner for the 3rd overall pick.
Obviously if Ekblad is there for Edmonton, the point would be moot, but if he is gone, the Oilers will not want another forward. They will want help on defence. Gardiner can help. Played for Eakins, played with Schultz.
Whatever the package would be, it would mean the Leafs would still pick 8th along with picking 3rd. They could get Bennett or Reinhart and Virtanen maybe at 8. That would be a great haul.
A bit torn, would love a center but we saw Vancouver pick Horvat too high because he’s a center and I don’t think that panned out that will.
Wouldn’t mind trade down for McCann.
Take Ehler if he’s there, at worst he becomes a good trade chip.
If Nylander drops a bit snag him. Who really knows with this draft class.
How was Horvat taken to high? He will be a fine player.
He’ll be an okish 3rd liner as a ceiling, bfd.
He’s got way more offence then that…He will be a 2/3 like Bolland.
And would you resign Bolland?
End of the day, i guess you can’t pick position, but i’d prefer the Leafs picking a forward and trading for defence.
Earth to Leafs. Berry Trots (spelling?) just got axed in Nashvile. Maybe it’s a sign?!?! A cosmological blip in the space-time continuum? A message from God?
Sack Carlyle already! What are you waiting for?!?! The train is gonna leave sooner or later.
I want to draft nikolaj Ehlers, guy is unreal. Talent through the rough, playmaking ability is great with unbelievable speed. He has to bulk up a bit but his talent is on another level, if we cant get this guy then try for an alex tuch or nick ritchie power forward
I just want one of the top 3 haha. But Brendan Perlini has developed insane chemistry with Carter Verhange, a Leafs prospect. 71 points in 58 games and 6’3″. I wouldn’t mind him.
But to the guy you pointed out I found this on him:
Markus Naslund (Skill)
Pavel Bure (Speed)
Peter Forsberg (Seeing the ice)
Mix (Nathan MacKinnon/Jonathan Drouin)
Patrick Kane (Style of play)”
Pretty high comparisons.
TSN ranked Ehlers 10th? Bunch of mooks…
I’ll be happy with anyone but Ritchie, IMO he’s the prototypical guy that is over hyped because of his size, we’ve made that mistake with Rob Pearson, Jeff Ware and Luke Schenn already.
Even Tyler Biggs…
If anything, I would take Jake Virtanen…Same player with same stats, but Virtanen is one of the youngest players in this draft.
Toronto has done well in the last couple years taking the youngest players in the draft…Look at Leivo and Verhaege’s performances this season.
here are my picks for the playoffs this year:
bos vs det
boston in 7
t.b. vs mtl
habs in 6
pitt vs columbus
columbus in 7
nyr vs phil
ana vs dal
ducks in 5
col vs minn.
col in 5
sj vs la
la in 7
chi vs st.louis
chi in 6
bos vs mtl
bos in 7
columbus vs nyr
nyr in 6
ana vs la
la in 6
chi vs col
chi in 5
bos vs nyr
bos in 5
chi vs la
la in 7
la vs bos
la in 7
nyr in 6
The Leafy picks for 2014 First Round
Boston over Detroit in 6
Pittsburgh over Columbus in 5
Montreal over Tampa in 6
New York over Philadelphia in 6
San Jose over Los Angeles in 7 (with OT)
Dallas over Anaheim in 6
Colorado over Minnesota in 7
Chicago over St. Louis in 7
Copyright 2014 by Leafy
My picks for the 1st round:
Boston over Detroit in 6
Pittsburgh over Columbus in 5
Tampa over Montreal in 7
Philly over NYR in 7
LA over SJ in 7
Anaheim over Dallas in 4
Colorado over Minnesota in 6
Chicago over St. Louis in 6
Boston over Detriot in 5
Pittsburgh over Columbus in 5
Montreal over TB in 6
Philly over NYR in 6
SJS over LA in 7
Anahiem over Dallas in 7
Minnesota over Colorado in 6 (book it)
Chicago over St.Louis in 7
The NHL draft order for the top 13 picks:
1. Florida Panthers
2. Buffalo Sabres
3. Edmonton Oilers
4. Calgary Flames
5. New York Islanders
6. Vancouver Canucks
7. Carolina Hurricanes
8. Toronto Maple Leafs
9. Winnipeg Jets
10. Anaheim Ducks (from Ottawa Senators)
11. Nashville Predators
12. Phoenix Coyotes
13. Washington Capitals
Anyone think the Leafs can get a top 5 pick along with keep their 8th?
Prob not 1 or 2 but the Oilers, if they lose out on Ekblad, they may be interested to move for help on D. And there is a history with Calgary and Burke with the Leafs though they need more than anything that top 5 pick.
The Isles? Well who the heck knows what Snow will do.
Normally, well almost certainly those picks hardly ever move it seems, but, at the very least that Oilers scenario could happen simply because if they lose out on Ekblad they will still be back stuck with just scoring forwards and no other skills on the team.
It’s not a deep draft…No one just interested in swapping picks with an Isanders/Oilers/Flames? Next year is the goldmine.
It’s not unheard of to move up, as the Leafs did move up to get legs-of-stone Schenn from 7th. Ouch.
The Isles do need a goalie…That’s why I say trade the 8th/Reimer/whatever for #4 or whatever.
Reimer i am hoping can increase his value at the Worlds. His value is really down right now, same with Franson.
It will be hard to move either and get anything good in return IMO at this point.
between Franson’s contract demands and his awful season, he doesnt have much appeal. His only appeal is that he is right handed and big.
We can talk draft for help, problem is, the Leafs have failed to draft impact players in general for years. Most teams have found impact players over the past 12 years. Rielly should be one, but that’s all we have to show for all those players drafted. The last 3-4 drafts remain to be seen what still surfaces, but drafting has not been a Leaf strong point and we need that to change.
What draft picks have they had in the top-10 in the last 10 years?
Think about that…You cannot be a great drafting team with 1 draft pick in the first 3-rounds.
8 in the past 10 years.
How many have Detroit, Chicago etc had? How many 2nd and beyond rounders that teams like that drafted have turned into good pros. Chicago for instance; Keith, Saad, Shaw, Bolland, Bickell, Crawford, Bfgulein, Hjarlmasson, Kruger, Brouwer all drafted second round or later. Add Seabrook(14th), Toews, Kane(I know top 3 picks) from the first round…can the Leafs even come close to matching that with our drafts?
We have to traded for good first round picks, ie Kessel, JVR, Phaneuf, Lupul Gardiner. Remember two of our first rounders were for Kessel, a former 5th overall.
Our drafting history is not very good, and like I said though, the past 3-4 drafts are yet to be fully known what we have.
I would like Draisatl…Big, playmaking center…Not overly physical, but unlike some people (kadri), he can protect the puck well.
If not, trade down for McCann, alot are raving about him.
Don’t be shocked if Edmonton takes him over Ekblad if they’re both available.
Aaron Eklbad is going to Florida. Best player in this draft, and Florida has a few talented guys already upfront.
They’re building a very good core.
Florida passed on a better blueliner in Jones, Ekblad isn’t a lock.
either way, the Oilers have to find a way to get Ekblad. We can talk about how Bennett or Reinhart could be better, but think about it, the Oilers have those guys in spades. Gagner, Yakubov, Hall, Eberle, RNH, adding another would be short sighted.
There is a time to take the best player available. I dont doubt that, but Edmonton certainly has zero options than to get Ekblad to build their D around. They have to, they need to.
Florida is different but not that much different. Gudbranson is ok but not great, but they too have Hubs, Barkov, Bjugstad, Pirri and others up front. However, they are in a much better position to take what they feel is the best player irregardless of position.
The interviews and the like will be big here. They’ll want a guy who they think will fit in that nucleus with Hubs and Barkov. It could very well be Ekblad but not out of the blue if its Reinhart and Bennett. Same with Sabres. They need talent all around.
But Of the top 3 picks, Edmonton needs Ekblad most and essentially simply has to find a way to get him. I don’t think he falls into their lap at 3 which means they’re going to have to go after him. If they dont get him, I dont know what their future holds.
Edmonton is not a good “team”. they have talent, but no team. I know people hate picking D early citing Schenn, Berg and others, but how the Oil are structured, you simply have to take a D here. I don’t believe Nurse or Klefbolm have the ceiling to be top pairing guys same with Schultz who’s there now. Ekblad has that in him. thats who they need clearly.
I think you may be right that the Cats, not clearly going to take him, but i think he finds his way to Edm via trade prob involving this 1st overall selection.
Just seeing who the Cats sent to the draft on TSN (owner’s son is hockey VP?), dude didn’t even shave, we forget how little prospects matter in those markets. Maybe 1st overall is different.
Don’t tell Oiler fans Nurse isn’t a beast, they rated him higher than Riely. I agree with you but it’s a highlight of the problem in Edmonton…
They’re in love with their picks, they’ve built the ‘right’ way and have what to show for it? Hall is the only untouchable in that line up IMO. The rest are good, except Gagner but recyclable.
You’re right, LN91 is right, Florida and Edmonton should take Ekblad, doesn’t mean they will though.
I Ekblad is gone that pick is in play. The Oilers absolutely can not go through another season of playing for a high lottery pick, the fans will go nuts. They need to become a playoff team and quickly with that new arena coming, or there will be fans it.
Howard Berger here does a generally excellent player by player analysis of the Leafs. Agreed on almost all of them.
Interesting road to the Memorial Cup for Leaf prospects.
Antoine Bibeau in Val D’Or is still alive and having a fine playoff with a GAA of 2.01 and a save percentage of .917.
Connor Brown in Erie will face off against Matt Finn and Guelph.
Fredrick Gauthier’s team in Rimouski was just eliminated as was Ryan Rupert in London. But both had decent playoffs. I am guessing the Leafs will have them join Carter Verhaeghe with the Marlies to at least watch them in the playoffs.
Speaking of the Marlies, Josh Leivo as a 20 year old scored 21 goals. Sam Carrick led the forwards in plus/minus and Grannberg led the team overall with a +18.
Thought Percy had a solid 1st year as a 20 year old, 2nd in D points, +3 overall. McKegg was 3rd in team scoring. Ashton showed some potential as well 16 goals in 24 games. And D’Amigo seems good enough as a depth NHL guy because he really skates well. Even Garret Sparks was solid as the team’s backup goalie. The only disappointments were probably Brad Ross and Tyler Biggs. Biggs being the biggest disappointment of all. He will need a lot of work it seems.
I think a lot of these guys, including Devane, Broll, McWilliam, can fill depth roles, maybe a couple can be more than that. But hopefully these guys can get a chance to play, bring some youthful energy.
Team though may need the coach to let that happen. Carlyle has significant trust issues. I think it would hurt the team overall. I mean would you rather see Bodie play and Ashton/Leivo sit? No. Let them kids go.
So how things play out, in terms of how these young players are used and slotted, well it will depend on how they access the coaching situation. I think if the plan is to invest their remaining 22 mil cap space into some players with guts, leadership, heart and guys who can help create a selfless, team first attitude, well then they’ll need the kids to fill spots. That to me means they need a different coach to let that happen.
If I had one issue with Carlyle, it was his treatment of players like McKegg, Ashton, etc. Funny, unlike other coaches…He seemed to trust Kadri alot more.
I know they have little NHL experience…But these guys are scoring forwards. They should not be used on the fourth-line while a guy like Orr moves up in the line-up.
But Leafs prospects (for the most part) have done well…
The guys in JR all had tremendous or respectable seasons while the ‘core’ of the Marlies is mostly led by 20/21 year olds.
I agree with leafy’s article when it mentions the future of the Leafs D-Core should/could be Gardiner, Reilly, Finn, and Granberg.
Everyone seems to over-hype Granberg…But all he does is win at 21 years of age:
– 2012 World Junior Championship with Sweden
– 2013 World Championship with Sweden (Men’s)
– 2012-13 League Championship with Skelleftea AIK (i.e. Presidents Trophy, SHL)
– 2012-13 Swedish Champions (i.e. Playoffs, SHL))
Granberg is a good 3rd pair guy. with the potential to move up. I rather see him in that 3rd role rather than what we did with Holzer who just died getting top minutes and never to be heard from again.
Got to develop him properly. Its something i am not sure Carlyle will do well. I mean when he played Granberg in game 82 like 12 minutes, in a meaningless game, thats utter stupidity IMO.
I don’t know what the leafs should do with the 8th overall pick. If Ekblad is gone in the top 2 then edmonton’s heart will be broken and may be willing to move that 3rd pick. I say we move up to the 3rd and grab Bennett or Reinhart, i’d prefer Bennett but we’ll grab which ever is available.
To Edm: Phaneuf, 8th overall pick(Perlini, Tuch, Ritchie)
To Tor: 3rd overall pick(Bennett, Reinhart)
To Edm: Phaneuf, Gardiner
To Tor: 3rd overall pick(Bennett, Reinhart)
If Ekblad is gone edmonton may be very incline to moving that pick and not just the leafs but many many teams will be all over the oilers trying to get that 3rd pick, the asking price will be crazy.
Bennett and Reinhart are those no.1 c’s that this team desperately needs and they may not be that hard to get, we are only 5 picks away, I wonder what it would take to move up.
If the leafs can’t grab the 3rd and end up keeping the 8th I would just move the 8th completely. I know teams have to keep 1st round picks but if the leafs should draft one of Ritchie, Tuch or Perlini it’s not like one of those guys will likely play in the NHL next season. I truly believe that the leafs should take the detroit red wing approach with one of those 3 forwards which is what they are doing with most of their young players. So if we draft one of those 3 forwards it may take 3-4 years to see one of them in a leafs jersey and honestly who wants to wait that long??? This team has been rebuilding for a long time and have some great young players already on the team in Kessel, JVR, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner and Bernier. And even some more great players on the Marlies in Holland, Leivo, Broll, D’Amigo, McKegg, Verhaege, Biggs(who had a bad season but the potential is there), Percy, Finn, Granberg, Sparks, and don’t forget Connor Brown!!! There are many young players in the organization that are not that far away from cracking the leafs lineup and that 8th overall pick will be that much more further away. That 8th overall pick has the potential to bring in a great young player already in the NHL or if packaged with a roster player an amazing player.
Could the leafs trade Phaneuf and the 8th pick to Nashville for Weber? There are rumors that Weber wants out with the predators going into a retooling mode now with players like jones and forsberg.
That is just one idea, but either way I say we move that 8th overall pick, likely for a d-man and new captain.
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