Oilers interested in Kyle Clifford?

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  1. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    With the addition of Carcillo and that they have to re-sign Lewis, Clifford and Nolan while being pretty much at the cap, I could see Clifford or Nolan being available. I think Lewis is first priority to re-sign. If they re-sign Lewis, they would be over the cap already.
    Gotta think either of Clifford or Nolan is available or one of their D is available.
    Doughty and Voynov are obviously going nowhere and they re-signed Muzzin, Martinez, Regher and added J Schultz on the cheap. They would like to move Mitchell I’m sure, but I doubt that is happening. That leaves Greene who is UFA at end of season. Is Greene available?
    What would the cost be for a Clifford or Nolan?
    What would the cost be for Greene?
    Leafs could use any three of those players if the cost was right.

  2. nordiques100 says:

    How things have materialized for Matt Duchene is something the Leafs can push for with Nazem Kadri.

    While the Kadri camp will argue that opportunity was not given to him to succeed, the fact is it was only last year he really made the team.

    He made the most of it averaging about a PPG. Based on this one campaign, I can envision the Kadri camp wanting a high payday.

    Duchene in his entry level years had a 55 point rookie season followed by a 27 goal 67 point year and then crashed with a terrible, injury plagued 3rd year.

    Because of that, Duchene ended up signing a 2 year 7 million dollar deal. It was some reward for doing well, but also somewhat of a push to get better after being really bad, injuries or not in year 3.

    After a strong lockout season campaign, Duchene now gets this big 30 million dollar deal on an extension.

    The Leafs I believe, and rightly so, are wanting to see Kadri earn the long term contract rather than give it to him now like other teams have coming off entry level contracts.

    The Oil with Eberle, Hall really gave in and handed them the dough. Its not like they didn’t perform, its just they got the money quickly. To me, that’s not smart cap management. I think these bridge contracts are good because keep in mind, these are 20-21 year olds. I still think they need to be motivated as they mature.

    Duchene, and reigning Norris winner PK Subban got those prove it to me contracts and both have succeeded. I think too it benefits both the player and team.

    I don’t know what really Kadri wants, but i am assuming he’d love the 5-6 year deal to take him directly to UFA status and get big salary.

    And he’s probably looking for at least 2 years 7 mil like the Duchene deal. But I don’t think he deserves that yet. I am hopeful Nonis stays firm and offers him no more than 3 mil per. I’d even dare say he’s offering him less than that. The kid still needs to mature and earn it.

    I think down the stretch and in the playoffs, it showed, he needs work still. If over the next couple of campaigns he shows as he did this past season, less the inconsistency, he’ll get his payday no doubt.

    • DannyLeafs says:

      I think the Bridge deal is the way to go for both. I mean if Kadri was able to convince Nonis to give him a long term contract, he would have to realize there is no way he’s getting 5-6 million. It would have to be a deal where Nonis felt he had the potential for a steal in the long run in return for the gamble of signing a young player long term on the strength of one 48 game season.

      I like Kadri, and think he will succeed, and I for one would be happy if we signed him for 5 years at 3.9 per or something like that, but I don’t think it makes sense for either side. I think it will inevitably be a 2 year deal for 5.5-7 million total. There is a great precedent set for those types of deals with players who aren’t fully established, so it shouldn’t be that hard to convince Kadri and his agent that its fair, and it’s the way to go.

      Stepan and Pietrangelo are RFA’s I think will be more interesting battles between the bridge deals and the long term deals. Both have established themselves very well over the past few seasons. Stepan has teammates he can point to and say “hey that guy didn’t have a bridge deal” while Pietrangelo has enough talent that most teams would gladly give up 5-6 million a year and a 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounder, or even put St. Louis to the test and do 6.8 million and do two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd.

      I think this year could be a bit different as the season approaches in terms of activity. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling there will be a handful of trades right around training camp as some teams try and get cap compliant.

  3. DannyLeafs says:

    I was looking over the David Clarkson deal, and while I agree with the masses in the sense that it’s nearly impossible for Clarkson’s deal not to make him overpaid at some point during the contract, I am pretty impressed with the way Nonis structured it.

    First, he has a couple of lower paid years at the beginning and the higher paid years in the middle. This makes it so that if Clarkson retires at any point during the deal the cap re-capture rule won’t bite them in the ass. The most this deal could cost, and that’s if Clarkson retires at the worst point possible, would be a million dollars for two year in recaptured cap space. That won’t likely mean much 5 years from now.

    The second thing I noticed is that while the contract isn’t traditionally front loaded, Nonis did something very clever at the end. The salary takes a bit of a dip at the end, however on July 5th of his 2nd last season Clarkson will be paid half of his remaining contract term as a signing bonus. This means that after July 5th of 2018, Clarkson will have 2 years left and be owed 3.75 million dollars in salary. Seeing as the cap will be higher, and some teams will still be floor teams, the Leafs could potentially move that contract easily to a team trying to get to the floor.

    If during the last two years of his deal, Clarkson becomes nothing more then a third line grinder scoring 5-10 goals, but is still a good teammate leader and hitter, it won’t be hard to move him. The Leafs could wait until July 5th, pay him his bonus, then shop him to teams trying to reach the floor cheaply. He would make cost less then 2 million a year to the team that picks him up but would provide them with a 5.25 million dollar cap hit.

    I am not at all saying this makes the 7 year term a steal or anything like that, but at least the way the deal was structured was well thought out.

    • Steven_Leafs0 says:


      CAP ADVANTAGE RECAPTURE (Roberto Luongo Rule)

      Teams receiving a “cap advantage” from long-term contracts — defined as seven years or more for contracts signed prior to the January 2013 CBA — will be penalized in the event the player retires or “defects” from the NHL before the contract expires. A team receives a “cap advantage” when the player’s actual salary exceeds his cap hit in a given year.

      Clarkson’s contract doesn’t apply.

  4. DannyLeafs says:

    I didn’t realize that the cap recapture rule only applied to pre lockout contracts. I thought it was all contracts 7 years and longer. My bad. That actually makes it a little better as there will be no cap hit if the player retires, but still doesn’t have a lot of salary left in the end, making the player moveable should he start to become a cap burden, as long as he is still useful to some extent.

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