David Staples of the Edmonton Journal writes … “Should the Edmonton Oilers push to acquire Nazem Kadri or Jake Gardiner of the Toronto Maple Leafs?”
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it depends on what they’ve have to part with…plus i don’t think kadri makes them better gardiner gives them a puck moving defenceman but is he any better than schultz? so unless it’s a deal where the leafs get yakupov and something (not the 3rd overall) back…it’s not in the best interest for the oilers to do it …… because your not getting hall,eberle,rnh for that
i wonder if the oilers would be interested in dustin tokarski
he’s an upgrade over what they currently have in net…..
I don’t see a point in Montreal trading Tokarski. They won’t get much back for him. He’s a cost controlled player who they could simply have as a backup or send to the AHL. So unless a 4th or 3rd is enticing for Montreal, it doesn’t make sense. Right now unless you’re a proven starter, the goalie market is pretty bad when it comes to value.
they’d get a better return for him the the leafs would for reimer
Nice Jab. But I’m a not a leafs fan. I’m a Rangers fan. You’d pretty much get the same return for them. Reimer has more value, accept he’s an RFA. I’d think a late 2nd is the very most they will receive, unless packaged.
You don’t get a mid-first for a goalie who has played 10 NHL games and has a .902 save % with a 2.93 goals against average. Yeah, he made that number shrink in the playoffs but it’s still not a number you give up a 1st for.
To TOR: Yakupov, Arcobello.
To EDM: Gardiner, Holland, D’Amigo.
To TOR: Tanev, Bieksa.
To VAN: Kadri, Franson, Reimer, Holzer, pick/prospect.
To TOR: Eric Staal.
To CAR: Dion Phaneuf.
Sign Brodeur 1 year, 2.25m
Rather than having 1 forward line put up offense, two should be able to put up points consistently. An in your face, hard hitting, chirping 3rd line who all have goal scoring capabilities. And a 4th line that can be used as a shutdown line or a safe line rather than only rolling 3 lines and having goons on the 4th.
Defense looks bad, but honestly it’s better defensively than their current blueline. Tanev is a stud, such a smooth skater and really solid defensively(and from Toronto). Him and Rielly would look great paired together. Bieksa isn’t as good as Phaneuf, but they’re similar players and the difference isn’t huge, should be an adequate shutdown pairing with Gunnar. Rielly and Brennan will be relied on heavily for offense from the backend though.
Oh and the team brings in Staal, Bieksa and Brodeur, all good leaders.
Barely put thought into this, but gotta keep things interesting.
Okay, but as the current playoffs clearly show, you don’t win Stanley Cups with mediocre defencemen like Carl Gunnarson (especially on your first pair!!!). You need to have a superior blueline.
I’d do what I can to get something for Gunnarson, now that he still has some value.
Leafy, Gunner might not be a 1st pairing guy but he’s a good dman, and at $3 mil you would definitely get good value for him if you wanted to trade him. I would just keep him.
I’d move Lupul though.
Also, hoping we draft Willy Nylander at 8th. From what I’ve read his skill level seems to be really high, and since he’s playing over in Sweden there’s no “Junior or NHL” decision to be made. He can hone his skills in a tier 2 league (SEL pretty comparable to AHL) for a couple years until he’s ready to come over.
I love that. I was thinking of ways to get Eric Staal too, I was thinking of a deal where we’d move them Kessel and bring in the Staal’s. Do you think we could actually get E.Staal for Dion?
I was hoping Dion would be dealt this offseason and just take back a bad contract. Ie. Dion to Edmonton for Ferrence or something, maybe get a 3rd or 4th rounder back. I don’t think you’re landing 1st line centre for Dion.
Kessel for the Staals you haved got to be kidding. Trading Phil Kessel will go down as the stupidest moves of all time. The guy is around the top 5 in league scoring every year, never gets hurt and is signed for 8 more years going into his prime. He is pretty much a right handed Patrick Kane.
Dion Phaneuf looks a lot more attractive when you see matt Niskanen signed for 6 years 5 mil+. He has value with the cap going up and lack of defenceman available. Ference and a 3rd? What a horrendous deal for the Leafs.
I would much rather have Eric Staal than Phil Kessel. As good as Phil is, Staal is a legit top line centre, not to mention rugged.
As for Dion for Ferrence, I would be thrilled to see that 7 x $7M contract dealt for a smaller bad contract back.
We’ll have to agree to disagree here, because I think within a year or so that Dion contract will be widely regarded as one of the worst in hockey.
The same Eric Staal that had 21 goals 61 points last season. His offensive production has declined every year since 2007.
We could offer to eat 1 mil every year shop him around at a 6 mil cap hit up his value more. Dion can always score. He has tried to be more of a defensive dman lately but teams will always be attracted by his offense.
Your information is incorrect.
Year – PTS
2008 – 82
2009 – 75
2010 – 70
2011 – 76
2012 – 70
2013 – 53 (in 48 games. 6th in the league)
2014 – 61
Those numbers hardly fluctuate at all. And last year he was dominant. One slightly off year shouldn’t really affect his trade value. A centre with Staal’s size and skill level is so valuable.
I wouldn’t say they have gone down every single year exactly but they are trending downward. Hes 29 too.
Shouldn’t trade your best player for someone just because they play Centre. Got 2 years left on his deal its such a bad trade man.
The anomaly for Eric Staal was last year having a great stretch in a 48 game season. You’re getting a 70 point centre at best in my opinion at this stage of his career.
I like these ideas but i would just hate to trade gardiner, I think his potential is through the roof, what other dman can skate and control the puck like he can? the kinks in his game will leave with maturity. I want to try to work these deals..
To edm: Kadri + Percy
To tor: yakupov + 2nd
To Car: Phaneuf 2nd 2014+15 (i think would be more asking price)
To Tor: Eric Staal
deal reimer for pick
Resign komarov, bolland, mcclement, bodie and RFA’s
let kuli, ranger walk.
JVR – bozak – kessel
Lupul(A) – Staal (C) – yakupov
komarov – bolland – Clarkson
Bodie – mcclement – Ashton
Gardiner – Orpik
reilly – franson
gunnarson – gleason
holzer, grannberg, finn could get a shot also especially rolling with 7 d.
Listen, not to be a jerk, but Dion for Eric Staal? We would have to include our 8th overall pick to make that work. Teams don’t trade top line, power forward centres like Staal. That’s the rarest, most sought after commodity in the league.
A great thought but I think u boys are dreaming a little too big on that one.
I actually think Ron Francis would balk at Kessel for Staal.
i can think of 5 -6 better defenceman that can control the puck and skate better than he can one is pk subban
I’d flip Kadri for Yakupov straight up. Why not? Couple of flakes, i recognize Kadri is starting to come into his own, so what? He’s a total Derek Roy/Mike Ribeiro. Talented for sure, but not a key piece to any winning team in the future. Could Yakupov be? Maybe.
I dig this rumour. If i remember correctly Gardiner and Schultz were defence partners in College or junior. There’s some history there and reason to believe Edmonton would have serious interest in Jake.
Kadri and Gardiner for Edmonton’s 1st and Yakupov. Use that first to draft a centre (Draisaitl, Reinhart, or Bennett).
For arguments sake let’s say Ekblad and Reinhart go 1-2 and we draft Bennett. That would be a better situation for me going forward than holding onto Naz. Although Bennett is not a “can’t miss prospect”, Naz is RFA after this year and is going to get $4+ million (who knows exactly how much, this season will dictate what he earns) on a long term deal. I’d rather bring in the entry level contract at this point and take a step backwards, in order to take two steps forward.
As for the other part of the deal. Yakupov seems like a guy you could steal out of Edmonton right now and he could still turn into a prime time star.
Now I understand trading Gardiner, simply because Reilly is very much the same type of player and thus, it would not leave as big a void in the lineup.
but, i’d be careful with moving Kadri, unless it is known there are ready replacements at the centre position.
So say, they signed Paul Stastny, or traded for Mike Richards, kept Bolland and also added one of those two or someone else, then perhaps, Kadri could be made available.
But you have to be careful. Careful not to give up on a player too early.
I think Kadri still has tremendous upside and to be honest, attitude can change over time. Skill wise he isnt deficient in any area except probably faceoffs but that can be worked on too. He is a really talented player and could as early as next year be a difference maker if he isnt already.
They need to be careful with that. Especially trading him for another winger without a plan B. I’d personally go for the centres first, then, you are in a position to think about moving Kadri….perhaps for the coveted Dman the team sorely needs.
I am a big fan of Richards and I think he would be a great fit with the Leafs. If they could add Richards and keep Bolland, that would be a nice group of centres with Bozak.
If he is bought out by LA, even better, but even then, if it is a trade, i dont think the assets given up would be all that much really. especially if there isn’t a lot of cap hits going back to LA, or LA isn’t forced/asked to take on part of Richards cap committment.
I look at the the Luongo trade. The Canucks got Markstrom and Matthias and still had to keep 800K in retained salary for Luongo. That’s not a tremendous amount given up for who is still a no. 1 goalie who had a long term, high salary deal much like what Richards has right now.
different positions yes, but a somewhat similar case.
So if they traded for Richards, and signed Bolland to the 4.5 million dollar range, I think the depth they’d have at centre would be pretty solid.
It would then allow them to perhaps move Kadri in that scenario to get that help on defence.
So maybe centre a package around Biggs and a future 2nd rounder with another asset, like a defenceman, maybe Percy for Richards? then re-sign Bolland.
Then, maybe that could open the door to perhaps move Kadri and Gardiner (and even Reimer) to the Jets for Bogosian and Kane.
It just changes the mix for the Jets and Leafs. Bogosian is the coveted top pair dman the team sorely needs to help Dion and perhaps take over for him. He is also righthanded so it would allow Dion to move back to his natural left side which benefits everyone.
Kane like Kadri has a perceived attitude issue. But that can be changed and a fresh start could be what he needs. Plus, he is a power winger with speed. A good asset to have. Him and Lupul flanking Richards would be a heck of a 2nd line, and they won’t be as awful defensively as the leafs top line of Bozak-Kessel-JVR. It would allow Clarkson to join Bolland and maybe they bring back Komarov to round out a 3rd line and give the Leafs rather envious depth.
Salary wise its a lot to take on, adding Richards, Kane, Bogosian who make a lot. But, for one thing, the cap is going up. secondly, the team will part with UFAs like Kulemin and Raymond freeing up more dollars. Thirdly, they will likely part with Franson and Reimer anyhow freeing more dollars and I could see Gleason being moved as well. Its not improbable to say the least.
Ya Nords, going after Mike Richards is one I can definitely wrap my head around. I’d like to see that happen.
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