Plumeted-PK

Let’s start things off on a positive note: it can only get better.
That sounds encouraging, until you look at the PK standings. And the fact is, with 30th ranked penalty kill, you’re just not going to make the playoffs. No way around it. With Phillipe Dupuis are your #1 PK man, its rather expected (although hes IR). So in an ideal world, Brian Burke would have a look at some of the top pentalty killing teams and players, and perhaps make an acquisition, because its downright embarassing to be taken advantage of so many times, over and over and over, the minute (or 2) that you take a penalty, its all but over. So lets have a look:

To New Jersey:
Luke Schenn
Jonas Gustavsson

To Toronto
Zach Parise
Petr Sykora

Why this works: Zach Parise has been on Burke’s list for a long time, and the Devils need a goalie who can be relied on, and maybe Jonas is one of those players looking for new life in on a new team. Sykora Provides that veteran “Jason Arnott” like prescence that does WONDERS for a young team (see St. Louis, or Washington with Federov)

To Los Angeles
Carl Gunarsson
Nzaem Kadri

To Toronto
Anze Kopitar
Dustin Penner

Why this works: Number one centre, and a player who puts the Pen in Penalty Killl…what more can you ask? LA would love to have Kadri after giving up Schenn.

To SJ
Tyler Bozak
3th in 2012
Luke Schenn

To Toronto
Ryan Clowe
Michael Handzus
Joe Thornton

This one Im debating. It would be good for both teams….but im not sure…

THoughts?


32 Responses to Plumeted-PK

  1. mapleleafsfan says:

    All incredibly lopsided in our favor. 

    Parise will demand Schenn, top prospect and a 1st round pick at least. Gus has very little value and at this point in his career isn't a goalie to be relied on. They'd be looking at schneider/bernier etc if they want a young goalie to be relied on.
    The kopitar one.. A point a game center (that is better than kadri will ever be) that is only 24. As close to untouchable as it gets. Even if you consider penner a cap dump it's incredibly lopsided. IF he was even close to being available it'd probably take something like Schenn/Gardiner, kulemin, colborne/kadri and a first to get them even talking. A young game changing center just doesn't get traded. You're offering less than what was asked for richards.
    San Jose one… That trade wouldn't get Thornton alone. Clowe>Bozak, Handzus> 3rd, Thornton > Schenn.
    Not trying to hate, but none of the trades are even close to fair value. 
  2. lafleur10 says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fW7MoINvQc

     i think you should put the crack pipe down!! no way these trades would happen for that stuff  parise is worth wayyyy more than that so is kopitar

  3. mapleleafsfan says:

    Off topic but is giroulx the new best player in the league? 

    Obviously he has to keep this up for more than this season to be that bold but wow is he good. I'd put him up there with the malkins/datsyus/crosbys. 
    Obviously if sid comes back healthy he's the better player, but I doubt thats happening any time soon.
  4. dumbassdoorman says:

    Sorry but the best player in the league is …..Shea Weber, hands down.

  5. dumbassdoorman says:

    followed in a close second by Tyler Bozak, yes Mr. Rutherford I am talking to you….lol

  6. senators_choke says:

    Few people have noticed, but Ian White leads the NHL in plus/minus at +23.

    Although I'm glad the Leafs landed Phaneuf, White was the only guy I was sorry to see leave Toronto in that deal.

    What the hell was Calgary thinking when they traded White but resigned Stajan?

  7. mapleleafsfan says:

    This wings canucks game has some bad blood.. I hope they meet in the playoffs… That said, I think Kesler should get suspended. Knee on knees are so dirty. I hate Kesler with a burning passion. Obvious knee on knees just show his complete disregard for other players and he should get a game for it. Vancouver is embarrassing in general. But very talented. 

  8. hockey_lover says:

    Those are some interesting trade ideas. But sadly, the real NHL doesnt work like NHL 12 on a gaming platform.  Put the Xbox controller down, go outside, take a deep breath.

    Not one of those trades is even in the ballpark of being even remotely reasonable. Not even a little bit.

  9. dumbassdoorman says:

    That is what annoys me about kesler is that he is super talented, but super dirty with a crap attitude about it. Always opens his mouth to say stupid not well thought comments, like at the olympics.

  10. dumbassdoorman says:

    The Schenn one with NJ, is not the worst, only because Parise is UFA at seasons end. If the Leafs were unable to resign him it would be a horrible trade for them. If they did resign him well that is different, maybe throw in a conditional item.

  11. hockey_lover says:

    The problem is that the whole idea of the trade is for Jersey to get a reliable goaltender.  In what universe is that happening with this trade?

    Look, I realize downplaying a Leafs player on these boards is like insulting the lord himself but really?  Career stats of:  31W – 34L, GAA of 3.06 and a save % of .898 …. doesnt exactly smell of recipe for success.

    I'll give the guy credit .. he does show some flashes of awesome. But he is so wildly inconsistent that Im not sure he is the guy to build around right now.  Sure, on a powerhouse team like Vancouver, maybe. Their defense and offense can bail him out of a bad game. But there are far too many holes in New Jersey's line up and they wont be able to bail Jonas out often enough. 

    At this point in time, Jonas is a backup goalie. A higher end backup but nothing more. In the future? Who knows. I think he does have the potential to be a starter but he isnt there yet.

    But, to your point, yeah, because Parise is a UFA, NJ will lose him for nothing so getting Schenn and a capable back up is pretty good. But still.  If guys like Hossa and Kovalchuk and etc, etc got the returns they got, I think Lou can get a bit more for Parise .. and not include Sykora as a bonus for losing one of their best players.

  12. Steven_Leafs says:

    Atlanta got less for both Hossa and Kovalchuk than that Parise offer.

    Although I believe NJ would do that deal with Toronto (maybe throw in a high pick to clinch it) I don't believe Toronto would do that deal now. They have a great LW with Lupul that is playing great with Kessel at the moment and I cannot see them giving up Schenn to get another winger to do the exact same thing.

    If the Leafs are trading Schenn, they are getting a franchise centerman, no question.

  13. MystifoLeafs says:

    Honestly I am surprised there is very little chatter around Tampa. I mean they are 13th in the conference at the moment. Slowing falling out of the playoff picture and are spending WAY over what they are bringing in profit wise. I mean this team can only make back money IF they get those extra games in the playoffs and the way this season is going it is not looking too good. Now I am not saying they Move Stamkos because lets face it he is the reason they are pulling in some fans but they could have a tough decision coming up where they have to move someone of importance. Could be pretty interesting.

  14. dumbassdoorman says:

    To me it isn't about putting down a leafs player, i am a pretty realistic fan. Our team has good players and not so good players like every other. To me I understand what you are saying but looking, back no player in either trade has become let alone is the player Schenn is right now. As far a Gus goes, ya flashes….lol…brief very brief flashes, maybe.

  15. blaze says:

    Don't worry Gauthier is going to come their rescue and take Lecavalier away sometime this year.

  16. reinjosh says:

    What about Malkin bro?! For what it's worth, he's finally playing injury free. I feel like a lot of people forget about him. I'd still put him above Giroux. I want to see Giroux put up more than one season of this before he starts getting put in the Big 3. 

  17. reinjosh says:

    They weren't? To be fair, he was not playing well with them. Detroit has a history of taking dman and making them great. White is just another one.

  18. reinjosh says:

    Interesting tweet from Darren Dreger earlier today.

    "The Leafs were never really in on Kyle Turris. Word is, Coyotes wanted Nazem Kadri as part of return. Toronto has high hopes for Kadri."
    Speaks to the value they see in Kadri.
  19. dumbassdoorman says:

    Weber is better then both…..seriously i can only say right now I would chose crosby a head of him(only if healthy) for building a franchise around. He is truely an IMPACT player.

  20. reinjosh says:

    I love Weber and being a dman myself I'm biased towards them but I think I'd prefer a forward around a dman were I to build a team. I just think its easier to find impact dman than it is true impact forwards. 

    Frig, Malkin in only his third NHL season put up 36 points in the playoffs when they won the cup. Only Mario Lemieux and Gretzky have ever had more in NHL history. 
    I love Weber but I'd take quite a few players before him if I was building a franchise. Malkin, Crosby, Toews, Datsyuk. Stamkos maybe. Probably Ovechkin. Then Weber. 
    Personal preference granted 😛
  21. Steven_Leafs says:

    no kidding, If Kesler and Lapierre were not on Vancouver last year I would have cheered for them over Boston. Can't *****ing stand Kesler.

  22. Steven_Leafs says:

    Lecavalier is a solid 25 goal scorer with the skills to get 40+ and close to a point per game player. His cap hit may be a little high but his contract isn't as bad as most of them out there. The problem is Tampa Bay is a team having trouble to make a profit year after year and they are paying Lecavalier 10M in cash each season. If they flip him in a cap for cap deal, Tampa will end up saving money and get 1 or 2 extra players to fill in any holes they may have.

    I think Tampa should trade Lecavalier either this year or during the off season, if they do they should have no trouble getting value back.

  23. Steven_Leafs says:

    If anyone thought Ottawa took a huge risk trading Rundblad for Turris, this is far worse. There is a chance that Turris will end up being the better hockey player but definitely not worth sending Kadri the other way.

  24. blaze says:

    Alright maybe you're not fully aware of how horrendous his contract is so I won't call you crazy. Yzerman couldn't trade Lecavalier away even if he bribed the other team.

    For another 8 (!!) years after this season Vinny is paid like a franchice player. He's still owed another 62+ million!! He's having a hard time putting up 50 point seasons now at the supposedly near prime age of 31. Very few players play well until through to their late 30s.

    Vinnys contract is one of if not the worst contract in the league. The fact he is still a solid player is the only reason he doesn't take flak yet like Gomez but this contract is unmovable. No chance at getting value back, none.

  25. TheLeafNation91 says:

    You're crazy. Rundblad is one of the best prospects in the league. That's far worse…

  26. mapleleafsfan says:

    Yea malkin is a very talented player who gets overlooked a lot… I'd put him over Giroux you're right. But if giroux keeps this up he's definitely in the running for top player. I also would definitely rather a franchise forward than defenceman.. Weber is unreal and I'd take him over almost any player in the league. But I'd still rather have Crosby, giroux, malkin etc. I just feel a good center can carry a team better and is more likely to improve the players around him. 

  27. Steven_Leafs says:

    Yeah the 7.7M cap hit at 39 years of age is tough for a team like Toronto or Montreal to swallow but that's not what we have right now. We have a very good player with a contract that can burn you 5-7 years from now. At which point he is making less than 2M in cash with a cap hit of 7.7M. A cap floor team's wet dream. Yes that is a lot of cash but they signed it with the expectation of keeping him long term so I don't think they mind keeping him if the only alternative is trading him plus a quality pick/prospect for nothing.

    Anyway my only point was that Tampa will never try desperately to dump his contract for nothing like Montreal would with Gomez. Either get something respectable or keep him.

  28. Steven_Leafs says:

    worse case: Kadri becomes Kyle Turris 2 years from now.

    Why would we trade him for Turris again?

  29. dumbassdoorman says:

    See and I guess I look at it in the reverse, name all the Franchise forwards then do the same for dmaen. The list is way shorter one way the the other, IMO. Especially if we start including Girioux as a franchise player as after only one true dominate season it opens debate for lots of franchise forwards. And to tip the scales in my Favour my franchise dman can kick the $hit out of all your fwds…..lol

  30. thisgamewelose says:

    While that's definitely true, the problem is you don't need a franchise d-player to win, but having a franchise forward compared to a great forward helps a lot more…especially when that franchise player is a center.

  31. senators_choke says:

    Yeah, but still…he`s leading the league in plus-minus!! I think that has as much to do with Ian White as it has to do with Detroit.

  32. dumbassdoorman says:

    True I suppose but the number of teams who have won with a collection of average dmen is, short

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