Predators must make Weber big offer, deal him if he declines

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Ray Shero has undoubtedly used knowledge and strategy he learned serving for eight years as David Poile‘s assistant in Nashville to become the tour de force general manager he is now in Pittsburgh.
Today, however, it might be time for mentor Poile to follow the lead of his former pupil.

Poile needs to handle the Shea Weber situation the way that Shero dealt with the Jordan Staal situation: You offer the player the best contract extension you can afford. If he doesn’t accept, you trade him, preferably to a place he wants to play.

The Predators probably don’t want to believe this, but it’s the best strategy for the organization and for the player. It’s the respectful approach. It’s the dignified approach. It’s the forward-thinking approach.

It certainly isn’t difficult to determine what to offer Weber: It’s the Sidney Crosby contract of $104.4 million over 12 years.

We know the Predators can go that high, because they were at least in the neighborhood in their bidding for Ryan Suter.

If the Predators make that offer, they are telling Weber they value him as much the Penguins value Crosby. And that’s the truth. They would be paying him more than Ryan Suter received when he left the Predators to sign with the Minnesota Wild this week. And that’s important. That offer also would tell their fans that the Predators are willing to do whatever it takes to build a winning organization.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/allen/story/2012-07-06/nhl-shea-weber-contract/56061542/1


55 Responses to Predators must make Weber big offer, deal him if he declines

  1. HABSdomination says:

    That last paragraph alomost made me cry.

    Man, if Poile would be running the Leafs with Trotz behind the bench: we would all need to watch our freakin’ backs!

    Poor Preds, classy organization, awesome staff, but no damn financial ressources. A shame.

    • LN91 says:

      And they sell out and when I was living in Nashville, everyone owned a jersey or other memorabilia.

      Just sad…They need a guy like Pegula.

      • JoelLeafs says:

        Though you just moved there a while ago? Home for the summer?

      • reinjosh says:

        Ownership gave the go ahead to be a capped out team. Money isn’t an issue anymore. Suter said that himself. Suter clearly wanted to go elsewhere and get a chance at a cup elsewhere. Can’t blame him for that.

        Money wasn’t an issue for NAshville.

  2. LN91 says:

    Please no Weber to Toronto rumors. Let’s be realistic here.

    We need more of a Suter then a Weber…So Phaneuf would have to be dealt.

  3. TeamCanadaGM says:

    Hey guys, been on this site for a while, finally decided to make an account.

    Here’s my take on it:

    To TOR:
    Weber

    To NSH:
    Bozak
    Macarthur
    Blacker/Holzer
    Kadri/Colborne
    1st 2013

    • TeamCanadaGM says:

      Burke, if you’re reading, GET THIS SH*T DONE!!

    • lafleur10 says:

      SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH YOU’LL HAVE TO GIVE UP WAYYYYYYYY MORE! 29 OTHER TEAMS COULD AND WOULD TOP THAT OFFER EASILY!

    • JoelLeafs says:

      Welcome to the site.

      Unfortunately, I must agree with captain capitals on this one. It’s a nice big package, but there would simply be more teams that would be willing to pay much more. I’d love that deal, but every team would be happy to have Weber’s services.

      No real impact players in that package and unless they want to rebuild (with the mass exodus it seems like they might have to at this point) they are going to want high caliber players and picks.

      We can always dream, tho.

      • nordiques100 says:

        Gardiner
        Ashton
        2013 1st
        MacArthur
        2014 2nd

        For
        Weber.

        • Steven_Leafs0 says:

          I think you got the value for Weber about right, give or take a high pick.

          I cannot see Burke doing it though, why give up Gardiner who if his talent and value continues to go up could be worth almost as much as Weber.

          • nordiques100 says:

            Gardiner is a promising young player…but we’re talking about Shea FN Weber!!!!!

            Weber is one of the two best dmen in the NHL. Maybe the best period.

            He’s only 26. Am I missing something? He’d anchor toronto’s D for another decade.

            I think that’s the problem with leafs management. Constantly satisfied with what they have, never interested in superstars, always afraid to give up something but at the same time, throwing away picks like nothing.

            Not interested in suter, weber, parise, kovalchuk, Richards, hossa, pronger, niedermayer, Nash, etc etc. Or the chance in 5 years gardiner might be niedermayer, we can’t do it. It’s too risky.

            But Connolly for 10 mil when he’s a concussion away from being done? No problem.

            I am so sick of that mentality. So sick that if 1 player is too popular for the sweater it will cause the leafs to fold. Nobody bigger than the crest. No wonder no stars prob choose not to come here. The franchise already thinks they’re selfish, obnoxious, greedy players who think only of themselves.

            • Steven_Leafs0 says:

              why trade that much value for a position we don’t need? If we are getting a Malkin or another elite center then yes there is no price we shouldn’t pay but giving up so much for a guy that may not stick around long enough for our team to be a cup contender is not smart. If it was then we would have given up Gardiner+ for Luongo already.

            • reinjosh says:

              Because we have our Weber in Phanuef?

              Gardiner fits more of a need on this team than Weber would.

              Hate on Phaneuf all you want, but Weber isn’t all that statistically different than Phaneuf. The biggest difference is plus/minus and that’s an easy thing to explain. It’s called an elite defensive team playing in front of a star goalie.

              Yeah Weber is better. Anyone that would argue differently is insane. But Phaneuf doesn’t get nearly enough credit for what he’s done and he’s done it without superstar partner Ryan Suter.

              I am so sick of the hate this player gets.

              Get over your self. You’re pissed off management won’t do it your way and will build slowly. You claim to be fine with a slow rebuild but when Burke actually turns around and does one you complain like a little child.

              Giving up Gardiner for Weber makes no sense whatsover. We have our Weber and getting him would decrease our backend mobility. We have more pressing needs than a big strong dman with a big shot.

        • lafleur10 says:

          that won’t get you weber not even close poile would laugh burke off the phone with that offer

          he’d tell burke start with:

          kessel
          gardiner
          1st in 2013
          and more and we’ll talk

          • Steven_Leafs0 says:

            or if he is trading to Montreal it would be:

            Weber
            2013-2099 1st round picks

            for:

            Subban

            right?

            no wait, probably not even enough knowing lafleur.

            Oh and I love that no one even bothers to pick lafleur apart when he makes those dumb posts, we all know he values Habs player 10 times more than they are and Leafs players around the price of a bag of pucks. lol

            GENERATIONAL TALENT IN CAPS LOCK FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!

          • Gambo says:

            Gardiner>Subban

    • Steven_Leafs0 says:

      not going to get it done especially with MacArthur and Bozak upcoming UFAs. I cannot see Toronto getting Weber unless like someone else mentioned on another post the Leafs to convince Weber to take a 1 year 5.5M(ish) offer filled with bonuses to have Weber become a UFA next season. If Nashville matches they are not allowed to trade him (RFA offer sheet matching rule) for one whole year which will take him to free agency. If Nashville doesn’t match they get the Leafs 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks.

      From Nashville’s point of view they have to choose whether or not to take only 3 picks for Weber or lose him to free agency one year from now (if Weber signs this offer sheet then it is 90% guaranteed he will go to FA), or they can take the Leafs’ picks and hope Toronto falls to top 5 again. They almost have to take the picks.

  4. 93killer93 says:

    A few different reports that I’ve read said Nashville wants two top 6 forwards, a top prospect and a 1st as the base of the Weber deal. I think Toronto really needs to make a push this summer. The first thing I would to is trade for Getzlaf, and hope he and Phaneuf could convince Weber to sign long term in Toronto. Tell Nashville if we can’t trade for him we’re going to offer him a 1 year deal, which would send him to free agency.

    I read that in Anaheim asked for Couturier and Turris as part of the Ryan trade, so I’m going to assume they get their replacement for Getzlaf through that route.

    Tor
    Kulemin, Bozak, Colborne, Franson, 1st 2013/2014
    Ana
    Getzlaf, Cogliano, 2nd

    Tor
    MacArthur, Cogliano, Grabovski, Gunnarsson, Ryan, 1st 2015
    Nsh
    Weber

    If not sign him to a 1 year 7.8mil offer sheet. The compensation would be 2 1sts(in the next 3 drafts) a 2nd and a 3rd. They can take the draft picks or risk losing him when he goes to free agency.

    Obviously a dream situation but Burke has to do something. The team gives up a lot, but I think they can either promote prospects or sign guys like Wolski and Mueller to fill the holes and hope for the best.

    • nordiques100 says:

      No gardiner, no kessel, no lupul, no deal.

      Irregardless if it has to be 2 top 6 forwards, I’m pretty sure poile will ask for gardiner and rightfully so

    • lafleur10 says:

      and it is a dream in technicolor at that it would cost you more than that for weber:

      try kessel,gardiner,2013 1st as a starting point and it would be that nothing less or they’d laugh you off the phone,like i said other teams would outbid your offers easily,all 29 teams could easily do that

      • nordiques100 says:

        You hate the leafs, I get it but please. No one take you seriously with those comments

        • lafleur10 says:

          and no one takes you seriously with your post above about ashton macarthur gardiner for weber either

          any deal will star with 2 top 6 forwards kessel,jvr for starters and then give up gardiner and the 2013 1st and you’ll have a deal or the makings of a deal for weber ,colin wilson and a 2014 2nd r.d pick( the only reason i say 2014) is because they don’t have a 2013 it’s already traded

          • mojo19 says:

            lafleur, you’re losing it man… you’re done.

            • nordiques100 says:

              He’s obviously now just a flamer. U once could have a civil convo but now he just trolls anything leafs. It’s getting ridiculous.

              • mojo19 says:

                The funny part is that he lists Kessel, JVR, Gardiner, and a 1st, which is a ridiculous package but then he makes sure to show Nashville’s 2nd rounder coming back is in 2014 because they don’t have one next year… so he’s actually taking that trade seriously.

  5. 93killer93 says:

    Interesting interview with Burke. He says the team isn’t done making moves and that there is a remote possibility the team goes into this season with the current roster. He also said he thinks they can upgrade at centre and in net before the season starts.

    http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2012/07/03/brian-burke-interview-sportsnetfan590-with-bob-mccowen/

    • Shoelesshobo says:

      Burke is a lawyer and like my buddy who is in law school whatever he says is not what he means. They never give a straight answer.

    • nordiques100 says:

      If Reimer has a healthy camp they’ve improved in goal.

      If JVR can play centre they’ve improved at centre.

      After he signs and franson and finds a new home for bozak, those are technically moves, so no he isn’t technically ‘done’.

      Sadly there isn’t any quick fix. Stastny and luongo are not the answer IMO.

      • mojo19 says:

        As it stands today, I think the team looks like this:

        Lupul – JVR – Kessel
        Clarkie – Grabo – Kadri
        Connolly – Bozak – Kuley
        Brown – McClement – Frattin + (Steckel, Lombardi)

        Phaneuf – Gunner
        Gardiner – Liles
        Franson – Komisarek + (Holzer)

        Reimer
        Scrivens

        ya, I’d say we’ve got some holes, and a few veterans we could do without.

        • Shoelesshobo says:

          Only problem I see is Komarov I feel will be on the 4th line.

          Frattin will find his way on to the second line IMO as he can open up the ice. Him or Kulemin. I see the lines as…

          Lupul – JVR – Kessel
          Frattin – Grabovski – Kadri
          Bozack – McClement – Kulemin
          Brown – Steckel – Komarov

          I feel like we are working Connolly and Clake out of our lineup.

          • toronto77 says:

            I have to agree with you that Komarov in same way, some hopw WILL be playing with the leafs and not the marlies.

            I think he is pretty much a lock, it’s just a matter of where to put him. And if he does make the team, I see a trade that ships out either Conolly or Lombardi.

        • reinjosh says:

          We have to move a center. We have way to damn many of the bottom 6 center type.

          Lombardi/Connolly/Bozak are all arguably third liners, McClement/Steckel are fourth liners.

          Great we have depth. Just not where we need it.

      • reinjosh says:

        So what do you want Burke to do? Spend mad amounts of assets for a superstar? Or build the team “the proper way” through slow build up of assets and strong young players?

        • Shoelesshobo says:

          Honestly I am right now on the border. The playoff leaf fan in me is saying SPEND EVERYTHING! But the smart hockey fan in me is saying to continue to build our young core. The alcoholic in me is saying I am not drinking enough so really I am at a three way street but don’t know what way to turn.

        • nordiques100 says:

          Honestly there isn’t much he can do w/o moving kessel or gardiner or lupul or the 2013 1st.

          I guess, if he is afraid he needs to overpay money wise to keep lupul in 2013 and kessel in 2014, then that’s when he’ll think of moving them.

          I wonder if that would be the plan heading into the season. Could lupul be available at the deadline? I don’t know if he’d match last years production, but if he is around 50 points, he’d be a big big talent at the feb deadline.

          And I don’t believe Burke has the guts right now to go after Nash, weber, Ryan, Kane, Kane, or other massive names.

          Stastny and luongo are the closest but they’re not worth it IMO.

          I think it’s worth just going after grinders and big bodies for the bottom 6. Make it harder to play against and hope for the best. If he isn’t going after players at the Nash level, no point in coughing up your 1st say to get a quick fix.

          • Steven_Leafs0 says:

            you say that we can only get something decent by giving up a Kessel, Gardiner, Lupul or 2013 1st but then you say you don;t think Burke has the guts to get a Nash or Ryan.

            Personally I don’t see the point in giving up Gardiner, Lupul, and the 2013 1st or Kessel+ for a guy like Nash when we are already getting the point per game production from Lupul & Kessel each, never mind the value the other pieces give us.

            Right now we need a no.1 goalie and a no.1 big-bodied center to play with Kessel. If we trade a bunch of pieces and a first line winger for Nash (another first line winger) then we just lost a few quality depth pieces that now cannot be used to get that no.1 center.

            I would love to get Nash but if we have to give up Kessel and the key piece we would need to get our no.1 center (lets say the 2013 1st for example) then all we did was lose our 2013 1st to probably end up with the exact same production if we are lucky (a point per game average).

            That is just my opinion though.

          • reinjosh says:

            Well on your first point, your assuming that they are the only assets. I’d contend that point but until the season starts, we have little basis to build arguments on so I’ll leave that alone for now.

            If he’s not going to pay Kessel or Lupul (assuming Lupul has a similar season to last season, 25 goals 65 points and he establishes himself as a player that helps Kessel play better), than he should definitely trade them for a big package of assets. If we lose those two, especially Kessel, the whole build that Burke’s been going on with is a complete and utter failure. It would be a massive, massive failure beyond almost anything this franchise has seen in a long time.

            But going after Nash etc doesn’t have to be about guts. To me it’s more where this franchise is. Does it make sense to spend the assets to get one of those players (expecting to get two would be a little much I think) or does it make more sense to play the longer game, slowly building up assets to make this team stronger long term.

            The amount of assets it would take to get Weber/Nash almost make’s it a no-go move. They would help for sure but would they help enough to divest ourselves of a huge amount of assets? From a purely logical view, the price to get them would be insane. We already know what Howson was asking for Nash and we can probably guess that Poile would ask for a similar amount for Weber if not more.

            I look at this team and I see a young growing team. People always say the Kessel deal was a deal that a rebuilding team doesn’t make. Wouldn’t these delas be the same thing? It just doesn’t make sense to me to go out and grab those guys when we aren’t really all that close to being a cup competitive team.

            Why not let the core we have grow a little and see if it can make the playoffs and then re-asses a big trade. Sort of what Ottawa is doing.

            And look at the core we have. Honestly. Can you honestly tell me it doesn’t have potential? For half the season it was in the playoffs. But its young and its bound to go through struggles. So why not take it slow, let it grow and if we get into the playoffs then make a trade using our assets for the big move that takes us to the next level.

            To be honest, going after some of those big names is a little early at this stage. Maybe I’m seeing things wrong though. This isn’t about me valuing our assets higher than the others. THose players are better than almost our entire team but I don’t think we can afford to give up assets to get them at this point.

  6. TeamCanadaGM says:

    I honestly haven’t seen lafleur say anything smart, or actually anything not dumb, in a long time.

    Habs are trash.

    Moving on, the Leafs should ship Lupul out…who knows if he’ll be as good as last season this season…his value might never be higher.

    If I was Burke, I’d package him in a deal for a star.

    • nordiques100 says:

      I wonder if there is a fit:

      Marleau for lupul? It all depends On if he’d waive his ntc. Marleau that is

    • reinjosh says:

      I’ve seen a few comments. For a little while during the end of this season he was making legitimate comments. But then he started out making stupid ones again. ANd I Was just beginning to like him.

  7. reinjosh says:

    Really interesting article from the Wild’s perspective on the Parise/Suter pursuit.

    Flyers offered Parise 110 million, Suter was offered 100 million plus by an unnamed team (I suspect the Red Wings). Parise actually took less money than teh Wild originally offered so that Suter and him would have identical deals.

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