Prelude to another deal? – Kaberle for Savard?

By landing Nathan Horton , the Boston Bruins had to punch a hole in their blueline by including defenceman Dennis Wideman in the deal with the Florida Panthers. This move has sparked speculation that the Bruins may not be done – and some believe Boston may now zero in on Toronto’s Tomas Kaberle .

Now Leafs GM Brian Burke and Bruins general manager Peter Chiarelli thought they had a trade involving Kaberle and Phil Kessel at the 2009 NHL Entry Draft, but the deal was scuttled over confusion as to whether or not draft picks would be included.

Burke has publicly stated he wants a scoring winger as compensation for Kaberle , but according to league sources, star centre Marc Savard is available.

Boston and Toronto have yet to re-open talks involving Kaberle , but it’s likely the Bruins will express interest and if Savard is in play, why wouldn’t the Maple Leafs consider reuniting him with Phil Kessel ?

32 Responses to Prelude to another deal? – Kaberle for Savard?

  1. LeafsneedSteen says:

    Savard – Kovalechuk could recapture some magic.

  2. Tachmo says:

    I don't like it.
    I would be upset to see a trade, Savard for Kaberle. Kaberle could end up back in Toronto after next season, and Boston would be playing against Kessel and Savard for years.

  3. LeafsneedSteen says:

    From the negative reaction to this trade proposal goes to show how much flak players take in Toronto.  Given each player compares to the rest of the league given their position, they're identical talents.  That anyone would scoff at getting Kaberle for Savard highlights how putting on a blue and white sweater hurts the perception of a player's worth given the hyper critical atmosphere of Toronto.

  4. 24_cups_and_counting says:

    Good thing burke has a roster 1/2 full of goons because Savard and those scrambled eggs in his head are gonna need some protection.

  5. Kessel_Leafs48 says:

    i agree!   kovalchuk – savard – kessel…    savard and kessel already have magic and add kovalchuk with savard too..  savards gonna love having those wingers who can put that puck in the net!  things would start to look so much brighter for leafs, and still have some cap left over, and after next season with gigure gone,  and dumping jeff fingers salary to the minors, resigning schenn… leafs could get another second line forward and i think itd be a cup contending team.. my thoughts anyways

  6. LeafsneedSteen says:

    Nah, you break them up

    Kessel – Bozak – Kulemin proven chemistry

    Kovalchuk – Savard – rotation anyone with a pulse should do fine

    Gives a great one two punch.

    I think next season we'll be shopping for a puck moving defenseman, maybe Markov?

  7. mojo19 says:

    Ya you definitely put filthy snipers Kovalchuk and Kessel on seperate lines. For a couple reasons. 1 – Not enough puck to go around. Kovalchuk craves the puck and he wants it on his stick all the time, Kessel likes to play with it too. 2 – You can only match your top D-pair up against one or the other. Naturally most teams would have to go with the Kovalchuk matchup, so when you play Boston they gotta stick Chara on Kovalchuk and let Kessel face the 2nd pair D, making him that much more dangerous.

    Victor Stalberg would be good on that proposed "2nd" (lol) line. Up and down his wing hard and just make it his job to get the puck to Savy and Kovy.

    Damn I would love to see that trade and free agent signing happen, we'd contend for 1st in the division, if not be favoured.

  8. mojo19 says:

    Well, I understand Tachmo's stance. Imagine we pulled off this trade and then managed to sign Kaberle (Toronto lover) next summer. haha, that woudl be sweeeeet

  9. mojo19 says:

    We don't have enough goons, I want Boogaard.

    But ya, I do like having Orr, Hanson, Komisarek, Beauchemin, Phaneuf, and Schenn. But we could use some more muscle, especially up front. Defense is fine, haha

  10. Kramer says:

    The Leafs need to clear big cap space to bring back Belak.

  11. mojo19 says:

    Sorry bud, he signed an extension with the Preds a couple month's ago. Boogaard, if signed would be your new fave

  12. Boston_Bruins says:

    This trade would be awful. It would make no sense at all. 7 years at a good cap hit for a rental? Not to mention Savard > Kaberle straight up and he signed a contract to retire in Boston.

    We have guys that can move the puck. That won't be a big deal. I find it funny how people are making it seem like WIDEMAN was our key guy and the team will collapse without him.

    I also heard one Toronto fan on the radio suggest Kaberle and ridding themselves of Finger for Savard and a prospect. How good do Leafs fans think Kaberle is?

  13. mojo19 says:

    Well I agree, that Kaberle and Finger for Savard and prospect is a bad deal for Boston, I also think that Bruins fans routinely underrate Kaberle. For example, Kaberle and Kulemin for the 12th overall pick and Lupul. Give me a break.

  14. LeafsneedSteen says:

    Thus completing a two year rebuild under Burke.

    I concur that it would be nice to have Boogaard to dress on occasion.

  15. mojo19 says:

    A lot of people just think of Boogaard as a big goon because he's not a fast skater, but when you watch him play, he does make a big impact on a game from time to time, just by pushing everyone around, getting in your face, and throwing heavy hits in the corner. And its not like he would be at all expensive. I'd sooner see him in the line up over Johnny Mitchell or Brayden Irwin.

  16. Kev_Leafs says:

    For what it's worth – LeBrun asked Burke about trade talks with Boston and Burke refuted them and apparently was pissed about it too.

    To me, that means nothing.

  17. Boston_Bruins says:

    It just doesn't make sense from Boston's standpoint though. Would a puck-moving d-man be nice? Sure, but the only thing we'd lose with Savard is our best offensive player and our entire powerplay. It's unbelievable how much of a difference Savard makes on that part of the game alone.

    And they do not NEED a puckmover so badly that they'd overpay for a year of Kaberle. Seidenberg, Hunwick, and Alexandrov can all move the puck (and Chara can a bit too), and people also forget that the Bruins have one of the best puckmovers in the league in Krejci.

    Personally I'm not a Kaberle fan at all so I on't think I represent a typical Bruins fan's opinion on Kaberle.

  18. number15 says:

    what to get pissed about?…… im sure reporters ask him about rumored trade all the time, no matter how rediculous they might sound

    does Br. Burke still have bad memories?….. nightmares i should say, lol

    Peter (the Boogieman) Chrielli……… [oh, no!!!!!!]


    ………………………………….. by the way, id love Boogard in Toronto.

  19. LeafsneedSteen says:

    Admittedly haven't watched much Minnesota Wild hockey but he'd be worth the intimidation factor alone.

    Keep in mind that Raffe Torres is a lock for our bottom six.

  20. Kramer says:

    This is good too. The Leafs need to get more fighters if they wanna win. The more goons the better.

  21. nordiques100 says:

    Hunwick = 6th/depth dman at best
    Alexandrov = unproven prospect who has yet to get acclimated to the North American game
    Seidenberg = solid player, who has managed to get 30 points in each of the last 3 seasons. But that kind of serious wrist injury is nothing to brush off.

    Anyone would sub these 3 for kaberle in a heartbeat.

    Savard is an excellent player. But so was Eric Lindros. We saw how rapidly a serious concussion can cause such a steep decline. its not a surprise the Bruins would be thinking of shopping him. Its his second fairly serious concussion of his career and at age 32, you just don't get up from these all that easily.

    I see instead Boston shopping Bergeron, a pending UFA due for a massive raise and getting an absolute mind blowing return for him.

    And no, i do NOT mean shopping Bergeron to Toronto.

  22. reinjosh says:

    Well I completely disagree with you assessment on not needing a powerplay quarterback and puck mover. And funny enough I think Chiarelli would agree with me. Considering he tried to get Kaberle the summer after you had Wideman with his breakout season and Hunwick with a more successful season and still Chara. Now you've lost Wideman and only replaced him with an adequate replacement at best.

    Seidenberg is a jack of all trades guy, not a puck mover.

  23. Kev_Leafs says:

    I understood it as Burke being pissed at the rumours, not at LeBrun for asking.

  24. Boston_Bruins says:

    Fair assessment but I'm only talking about their ability to move the puck. Would any team like a Kaberle? Sure, but it's not necessary to overpay for one year of him. The defense is fine as it is right now. Chiarelli might sign a mediocre free agent but no need to shake things up too much with a big splash with Kaberle.

    If you're a Bruins fan you'd know what Bergeron means to the team. No chance he gets moved.

  25. Boston_Bruins says:

    That's Chiarelli's view on the defense among other things. Starts around 1:15 about a puckmover.

    Seidenberg does possess the ability to move the puck well, even if he is a jack of all trades.

  26. Boston_Bruins says:

    Honestly if I'm Chiarelli I would make a push for Brent Burns. Yeah he's another guy with concussion problems but this could be the time to buy low. I think he's one of the best defensemen in the league when healthy and the Wild are now apparently shopping him for a top 6 forward. I'd offer up Wheeler (Minnesota native), Hunwick plus picks/prospects.

  27. mojo19 says:

    atta boy number15. I think everyone is on board for a possible Boogaard signing. And Boogie man feels like the type of guy Burke would consider for sure.

  28. zackman13 says:

    i honestly will go out and buy a boogard jersey the day that he signs with toronto.

  29. nordiques100 says:

    Boogaard is kind of useless outside of fighting. Orr at least isnt completely useless and can play some and is already an awesome fighter.

    if they're going to grab a neanderthal, it should be Artyukhin. 

  30. nordiques100 says:

    now Cox is reporting 4 concrete offers were made for Kaberle as per BB.–cox-kaberle-sweepstakes-heating-up

    Boston has been the most sexiest choice for many of late, but me thinks that ship has sailed.

    The Sabres, rumoured to be big in the Horton sweepstakes could make a big move for kaberle. i bet they package Drew Stafford. The Leafs may want their 1st plus maybe a prospect like Brayden McNabb or something. Its east, its close to Toronto where kaberle likes, and they're a good team the Sabres with a need for a puck moving defenceman and replacements for Lydman and Tallinder.

    People mention the Nucks, but i think the hate between Gillis and Burke/Nonis is too big to make anything happen here.

    Another team is the Ducks with Nieds retired. But it wont be Ryan coming back. They'd offer one of their 1sts plus a prospect, and perhaps a contract, like Lupul for Kabby. Poulin, Burke and Nonis all worked for the Ducks so they know some of the kids playing there. It would be the 12th overall they'd be looking at getting. I think though BB wants help now rather than later.

    If Dallas didnt have such bad ownership issues, they'd be big players here i think. At issue is that they're west, maybe a place Kaberle doesnt want to settle long term. But, they have some assets, like a Neal, to offer and there is a connection between Kaberle and Nieuwendyk, both very familiar with eachother.

    The Kings would be in it too but they cannot move their 1st with the draft in LA.

    Funny to hear the Bolts in rumours. Yes they have a need, but what could they give up? I absolutely cannot see them moving the 6th pick in the draft. And i dont think Malone or Meszaros is nowehre near enough for kaberle.

    The caps are an option, but i think they need more "harder" players on their roster to support the Ovey's and Semins of the team.

    After all they gave up to get Kovalchuk and Arnott, the Devils have zero players of interest to the Leafs unless its Zajac. But cmon, Lou is one of the smartest GMs. Moving Zajac would be a JFJ move.

    Someone said the isles. Foolish on them. Just like jersey, the Isles would be another East team that i doubt Kaberle would sign a long term deal with.

    Of all the west teams, I can see the Jackets pulling it off the best. They'd do it without moving the 4th overall though. Possibly Filatov and a young dman or something. maybe even a 2nd rounder too. Wouldnt that be neat if that happened and the Leafs, with the Jackets 2nd took Kabanov. there would be no shortage of pure skill there. Problem? Columbus may be one of the last places kaberle would sign an extension. So the Jackets would rightly so offer waaaay less.

    The pens are another interested party so the rumours say. They'd put their 1st in play, maybe Tangradi and/or Depres. But does that help Toronto now? not really.

    this is going to get really interesting….

  31. leafit2me says:

    I'd be happy to see any one of the following happen

    1. To ANA: Kaberle
       To TOR: Lupul & Gardiner/Sbisa
    2. To ANA: Kaberle
       To TOR: Lupul, Gardiner/Sbisa & 12th overall pick (if Kabbi signs an extension)
    3. To PIT: Kaberle & Kulemin
       To TOR: Staal
    4. To DAL: Kaberle
       To TOR: Neal & 41st overall pick
    I'm hearing on a lot of hockey shows discussing the draft and draft day trades that unlike last year Luke Schenn maybe available if the right deal is there and they attribute this to the acquisition of Dion Phaneuf.
    Assuming that to be true, how about….
    PIT: Kaberle, Kulemin, & Schen
    TOR: Staal, Goligoski & Tangradi (if Kaberle signs an extension) + roster player to balance CAP
    PIT gets a D-man to somewhat replace Gonchar's offense at a much more affordable rate (especially if he signs an extension) and 2 big young players. Schenn will bring leadership, size and shutdown ability that they lacked in this years playoffs. Kulemin has size, speed, and an old connection with Malkin.
    TOR gets their #1 center in Staal who is without a doubt a BB and Wilson type player. Goligoski comes back to ensure that the Leaf defense isn't completely depleted and can actually fit much better in the 4-6 D-slot behind Phaneuf, Komi, & Beach. Tangradi has the ability to become a young Bertuzzi (we all know who he played for back then).
  32. mojo19 says:

    I like Artyukhin as well. I'd be happy with either. And Boogaard isn't completely useless, he can be a force in a game and make a big impact. He just buillies everyone and keeps the other team honest. He is a beast in the corners.

    Artyukhin is a quicker player with some skill, he gets noticed a ton too.

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