Quinn is a Wimp When it Comes to Trade? What? Riiiiight…

TSN.ca and sportsnet.ca have both reported that the speculated deal with the San Jose Sharks has finally Gone through.

To Toronto: Owen Nolan

To San Jose: Alan McCauley, Brad Boyes and a first round pick.

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TSN.ca Staff

3/5/2003

Owen Nolan is a Toronto Maple Leaf, TSN has learned.

The San Jose Sharks traded their big power forward to the Leafs tonight in exchange for centre Alyn McCauley, prospect Brad Boyes and a first round pick.

Nolan has 22 goals, 20 assists and 91 penalty minutes in 61 games for the Sharks this year. In 836 career games, Nolan has amassed 323 goals, 352 assits and 1474 penalty minutes.

McCauley has six goals and nine assists in 64 games for the Leafs this season. He has 33 goals and 49 assists in 304 career NHL games.

Details to follow.

Leafs pull the trigger on Nolan deal

A little wag the dog maybe? The Leafs followed up on the Tucker chaos by trading Alyn McCauley, Brad Boyes and a 1st round draft pick for the highly coveted Owen Nolan.

(posted Mar. 5, 10:10PM EST)

TORONTO – The Leafs shed their trade-shy stigma Wednesday by acquiring the services of San Jose forward Owen Nolan. MORE TO COME …

Nolan has 22 goals, 20 assists and 91 penalty minutes in 61 games for the Sharks this year.

In 836 career games, Nolan has amassed 323 goals, 352 assists and 1474 penalty minutes.

McCauley has six goals and nine assists in 64 games for the Leafs this season. He has 33 goals and 49 assists in 304 career NHL games.


244 Responses to Quinn is a Wimp When it Comes to Trade? What? Riiiiight…

  1. JeffBurnz09 says:

    Learn something about hockey? First off, just because I’m not a Leaf fan and don’t believe they’ll win the cup doesnt mean I don’t know anything about hockey. Im not a Philly fan either,but I’d say they have at least a good of a shot as beating the Leafs and the Leafs do of beating them. Face it, the Leafs are just not THAT good. They have a team full of dirty players who bang and crash their way through a round or two until finally running into a better team. So what if they can beat Philly? How about Jersey?

    Yes, Toronto HAS made the semi finals many times the last year. But last I checked, you don’t get a cup for the semi’s. That’s like trying to say your a great team because you usually make the playoffs. And unfortunately for Leaf fans, they don’t automatically get thrown into the semi’s this year because they made it last year. The fact is this team just isnt as good as people seem to think they are. I know its Toronto fans believe that they are the center of the world and its their god given right to the cup,but adding Nolan is like throwing a scoop of ice cream on a pile of shit. It might look good but underneath its the same old shit.

    By the way, since you like to talk about the Leafs past, whats the usual out come when the Leafs play Jersey? Bottom line is I dont know if its Ottawa,Philly,Jersey or some underdog team that knocks the Leafs off,but I promise you it will happen, and adding Nolan is a good move, but its insane to think they are cup favorites now because of it.

    I know its not all Nolans fault what happened in San Jose,but he IS the captain. Its a team effort,but he has to take more responsibility for it than the rest of the team. He is supposed to be the team leader,other wise he wouldnt have the C in his jersey in the first place. San Jose were being picked to take the West this year,and should have knocked off Colorado last year. San Jose blew it and when a team that good can’t get it together,you gotta look at the captian.

  2. big_booty says:

    The Flyers are doing just fine without LeClair in the lineup. Ditto Gagne and Williams. Without those three, the Flyers have successfully passed the Leafs in the Conference standings.

    Philadelphia is four points ahead of Toronto for the fourth playoff spot. They are also just four points behind New Jersey for the division lead and the second seed.

    The team is getting hot at the right time, as is their goalie. Cechmanek “will fall apart come playoff time?” What gives you that idea? He hasn’t lost in almost a month, and was stellar in last year’s playoffs.

    It is entirely possible that the Leafs could play the Devils in the first round, in which case your chances would be even slimmer.

    As for there being “too many chiefs, and not enough indians” for the Flyers, the same could be said about the Toronto locker room. You have clowns like Tucker, Corson, and Domi who go ballistic when things don’t go their way, and end up sitting in the press box because of their buffoonery. You also just got Nolan who nowhere near the player he once was, has a bad back, and sulks when he’s not doing well.

    The Flyers have a much better coaching staff then the Leafs, Hitchcock is ten times the coach that Quinn is. He runs a tight ship with a disciplined club, unlike the circus that the Leafs have become. Which team will implode? The Leafs show that they can, and probably will.

    I suggest you take your own advice, and learn a few things before over-valuing your team and trying to play the spin doctor.

  3. Glen says:

    I hate seeing him down on the Phantoms right now, he would be awesome in the playoffs. Maybe we can package Therien or Ragnarsson to open up some space. I’d like to see them roll 7 d-men.

  4. pop0331 says:

    holy shiznet that was pretty funny stuff there Trojanman! I just think mikster’s comments should be graded on a curve! And Nolan is a good pick up for the Laugh’s but they will never get back to Lord Stanleys House again. And he’s not worth what they gave up, at least it wasn’t Brendl for Kapanen! Holy Jumpin!!!

  5. matrix2003 says:

    Tucker does not take that many minor penaties, check. Game misconducts and fights don’t put you on the penalty kill. Belak, Fitzgerald, Green, Domi, and McCabe have more minors than Tucker, yet Tucker is more physical and supposedly dirty, yet he is behind all those players and doesn’t rank anywhere near the leaders in minor penalties in the NHL.

  6. matrix2003 says:

    How about:

    – Fiztgerald and Corson (when Tom returns)

    – Corson and Roberts (until then)

    and the second unit of Mogilny and Sundin.

  7. matrix2003 says:

    Nolan is a -44 over 13 season, so what that’s a -3 a season on average, so what. He is better defensively than he was back in the years where he had a -33 and a -19 (’95-’96 and ’96-’97), since then he is a plus 8. He went from a minus 19 to a plus 2 back 5 years ago, and since then he has been a solid defensive player, no Gilmour or Peca, but solid though.

  8. WeStSiDe says:

    Al MaCinnis type shot in the makings…

  9. WeStSiDe says:

    Yeah but Belak sure does!! LOL

    He has taken over so to speak as “Fighter”

  10. guinsfan4life says:

    Actually you should read my post over again. I never said anything about how many points he is averaging per season. I did say he averages 55 GAMES a season, not points.

  11. matrix2003 says:

    You think just like me. See the Lindros to Toronto rumour, is it happening? Lindros, Wesley, and maybe Drury would do it, but I don’t think they will be able to do such a thing. He can’t stop now he would be an idiot.

  12. guinsfan4life says:

    Personally I don’t have a problem with Mik. I just think he reacted the wrong way when this trade came about–especially with him being a Ranger fan.

  13. jerrod79 says:

    leafs are stupid…sure, they needed nolan, but they have a bunch of aging losers…reichel, lumme, renberg. so what do they do, acquire a great player who is 31 and battle scarred. what do they give up – 1st rounder and top prospect. whoops! this would make sense if the leafs could make a serious cup run, but the don’t have the players.

    the only way this trade will look good is if the panthers give them bowmeester for tucker, and scott niedermayer for futures!

    leafs should dump some of their older baggage – not mccauly!

  14. guinsfan4life says:

    WEll say what you want. We all have different opinions on where we get our information. Since I became ingrossed with this site I have learned to take hockey news that comes out of Canada–and most of the Canadian writers with a grain of salt.

    I realize ESPN isn’t the best thing since sliced bread either, but when it gets to them, I have more faith they are reporting accurate information. Their amount of coverage of hockey isn’t wonderful–which is partly due to the fault of the league–but what can you do?!?

    It is nothing personal. I admire their passion for the game, it rivals the Americans and our passion for football.

    I just don’t think their journalism is quite that accurate because they are so interested in digging up rumors and making news at times when there isn’t any.

  15. TML51 says:

    The Leafs aren’t stupid. In order to get something, you have to give something of similar value. The Sharks wanted McCauley and prospects as they are “rebuilding”. Do you seriously think the deal would have went through if it were Reichel or Lumme they were offering? Nolan would have for sure ended up somewhere else.

  16. Mackel says:

    Regardless of what happens in the east thecup will be won by a western team. The top teams in the east can barely matchup with the 6-7-8 teams in the west.

    Sorry leaf fans, this trade was simply a move to shut you dolks up.

    Wings:7 Leafs:2

    GO WINGS!

  17. Hockeyguy9 says:

    Its Simple really,

    They wanted a player that they believed could grow into a Rob Blake style player. Ive watched many Kings games this year and this guy undoubtedly will become a very highly touted Defense man like Rob blake in the very near future. He’s Big, Has a good Shot, And he can Intimidate opposing teams best players. Just give it time and im pretty sure you will see where im coming from.

  18. amazing_jesse says:

    what are you talking about? ruins Toronto? Huh?

  19. amazing_jesse says:

    Cechmanek better than Belfour? Holy shit are you a dumb fuck.

  20. TC_4 says:

    I saw the number 17 on a comment, and I’m just curious for an answer from you Leaf fans that have maybe asked this same thing…has Wendel ever considered a comeback??? Just a thought, I know he wasn’t very good that last year, but he’s only 35, I think. Why wouldn’t he try and get back into things for a playoff run with this group(mind you it’s too late for this season).

  21. jacosta says:

    Hoglund is in and Tucker is traded as part of some deal to land a defensmen

    Renberg Sundin Mogilny

    Roberts Antropov Nolan

    Green Corson Fitzgeral

    Hoglund Reichel Domi

    Kaberle Svelha

    Mcabe Boughner (Tucker for Boughner)

    Wesley Berg (Jackman and Draft pick for UFA Wesley)

  22. Pock says:

    This is very true, however I still think that regardless of who the leafs play Jersey or Philly they will be done in the first round… but again the deadline isn’t here yet… Still think the Devils will win the East… Lou has a trade up his sleeve yet, best gm in hockey, what i’m really interested in is what Philly is gonna do come deadline day Clarke is trying hard to put a big deal together just a matter of who

  23. Freeze says:

    Eddie Shack

  24. Glen says:

    WOW!!!

    224 comments about a second tier player like Owen Nolan. Only Toronto fans could justify making this big of a deal out of a simple trade. Absolutely rediculous, in my opinion of course.

  25. BlueChannel says:

    Rangers arent close as well

  26. RDeren says:

    We’re not worried, the Leafs got ripped off. Nolan never shows up in the playoff’s anyways. They didn’t even need a forward. If they are going to waste 6 million dollars, to it on a d-man!!

  27. flyav says:

    I am a die hard Flyers fan but I have to admit that Toronto made a very good move here in aquiring Owen Nolan. I also think the flyers have a very good move left in them but that is not what I want to talk about. Philly and Toronto fans stop matching eachother up cause you r not gonna play eachother in the first round. I gurantee the Flyers will overtake NJ and they will be your opponents not us. So i look forward to never playing you on the flyers glorious road to the stanley cup and beyond.

    PS: IGGY WILL BE HERE SOON

  28. Tradedude says:

    wings are filled with a bunch of washed up overpaid complainers. (i.e. Robitaille, Chelios, Joseph, Hull etc.)

    ThankYOU very much.

  29. Tradedude says:

    so it will be saturday?

  30. Tradedude says:

    Iginla is a keeper in Calgary

  31. Tradedude says:

    Where would the leafs be without Darcy Tucker???

    heaven

  32. Tradedude says:

    Clarke was good for us leafs.

    I’m predicting Nolan to wear #9. Don’t ask why lol.

  33. bender says:

    The only thing washed up is your Mom because she knows I’m coming over tonight. LOL

    Do you know anything about hockey.

  34. bender says:

    i believe that the TO-SanJose trade real winner was Philadelphia. Not only do we get to keep a first rounder and one of our top prospects in Woywitka, but we also get to keep Williams. I know there are a lot of Naysayers about Williams but that’s because you guys never watch him play.

    But then again, I gotta sit and wait a couple days and make sure Clarke doesnt make this deal for Satan(plz Clarkey, NOO). Sharks may have gotten taken unless Boyes turns out to ge a good one.

    But lets face fact here, Toronto prospects are over rated, mostly because the media in Canada kisses the leafs ass. How do you guys think so many Leafs were on the Canadian Junior Team, and why do you think we lost.

  35. matrix2003 says:

    Okay, I guess I didn’t read closely enough. You are off on the games per season, if you average all his games by the number of season you get 59.7 games per season and that’s without this season finished, a strike shorten season in ’94-’95 and a season he miss all but 6 games in. You omit those seasons and you get 66 per season. He has had over 70 games in every season but his first year, the strike year, his 6 game 1993-1994 season and 2000-2001 (57 that year) and if this year (but it’s not over yet, he needs 9 for 70).

    This is what the Leafs get, the complete run-down, picking-apart of him:

    — 30 to 35 goals and 30 to 35 assists, he is no elite goal scorer like Naslund or Hossa, and no big time point producer like Mario.

    — A past history of bad/many defensive mistakes, which is the past. He is now a solid/average defensive player.

    — A Guy that plays physical, but is anywhere near the top of the line for physical players

    — An overpaid player at $6.5 million.

    — A Guy that can play on the powerplay (some times).

    The Leafs get a player that can put the puck on and in the net, something that is needed for better balanced scoring.

  36. matrix2003 says:

    Okay, I guess I didn’t read closely enough. You are off on the games per season, if you average all his games by the number of season you get 59.7 games per season and that’s without this season finished, a strike shorten season in ’94-’95 and a season he miss all but 6 games in. You omit those seasons and you get 66 per season. He has had over 70 games in every season but his first year, the strike year, his 6 game 1993-1994 season and 2000-2001 (57 that year) and if this year (but it’s not over yet, he needs 9 for 70).

    This is what the Leafs get, the complete run-down, picking-apart of him:

    — 30 to 35 goals and 30 to 35 assists, he is no elite goal scorer like Naslund or Hossa, and no big time point producer like Mario.

    — A past history of bad/many defensive mistakes, which is the past. He is now a solid/average defensive player.

    — A Guy that plays physical, but isn’t anywhere near the top of the line for physical players

    — An overpaid player at $6.5 million.

    — A Guy that can play on the powerplay (some times).

    The Leafs get a player that can put the puck on and in the net, something that is needed for better balanced scoring.

  37. matrix2003 says:

    Read the one below this one I made a small mistake in.

  38. finger says:

    thats what they say but who knows

  39. orlandomac says:

    How many Sens injured in the last game …….?

    Add another 2 come playoff time, that gives you 5 per game multiplyed by 4 games……

    should mean at max a 5 game series….

    Yes I believe Nolan will be worth his WEIGHT.

    PS really enjoyed the grit you brought in….

    then carried his ass off the ice (Verada).

  40. orlandomac says:

    Or the Sens in the playoffs……

    it does sound true.

  41. orlandomac says:

    Sounds like you re talking about Forsberg…….?

    Maybe Sakic.

  42. orlandomac says:

    I think this and the other deals too follow will make alot of other teams regret the trade.

    Just hope the Couve is in the final so that the Leafs can have all home games in the final.

    You re just upset because its the Leaf fan in your crowd that you have to turn too, and ask…..

    what is icing again or whats that black thing that they play with called again?

    As you well know ….

    Leaf fans on the West Coast….

    Leaf fans on the East coast…..

    GM Place Leaf fans all around.

    Resistance is futile, you shall be assimulated.

  43. guinsfan4life says:

    I tend to agree with your analysis. In presenting my stats, I counted regular season games, not playoff games in the same category.

    My main reason for that post was trying to explain to mikster what the Leafs actually got, which I think people lost sight of because they were more focused on the fact that Quinn made a deal instead of what you and I have discussed–the meat and potatoes.

    With that in mind, I think Nolan’s +.- may be cause he played in the west which is a more open conference. He’ll have to adapt his style to fit the game of the Leafs and the East, or else, he’ll hurt the team instead of helping them.

  44. matteo says:

    Amazing Jessie your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

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