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In a recent poll on tsn it asked:

“Which big name would have the biggest impact for their team”.

Here were the options, the team and the voting percentages after I voted:

Zdeno Chara – Boston – 11%

Ed Jovonaski – Phoenix – 3%

Chris Pronger – Anaheim – 18%

Alex Tanguay – Calgary – 16%

Roberto Luongo – Vancouver – 47%

Todd Bertuzzi – Florida – 5%

Now what really troubles me is that Chara should not be getting more votes. Maybe a bit less or more the way you look at it. Jovanovski is right around where he should be and same with Bertuzzi. What bothers me are two things. First, how do fans vote for Roberto Luongo so much? Sure he made team Canada a few times, most saves in a season, decent GAA and SV PCT. What about the wins? Your GAA and SV PCT Can be 1.9 and .955 but that does not matter if you don’t win.

You can blame that on the team sure but last season Florida had that chance to make the playoffs and they should have. They signed the few things they needed which was veteran leadership and those veterans can score too, but they didn’t make the playoffs. They also had the young guns in Jokinen and Bouwmeester as well (just to name a few). Now fans think he will have a gigantic impact on the Canucks because of the trade and being away from Iron Mike. First of all Naslund is a steady first line player, 80 points from him is reasonable but what about after him?

The Sedins need a scoring winger like Carter. someone to throw the body for them and to score for them. If you try the Sedins and Naslund what do you have behind that? You would only need to stop one line.

Now my second issue is how do Pronger and Tanguay receive so many votes. I think im gonna hear one say because Luongo has 47%. Not what I meant. Tanguay I think will have the most impact on Calgary for two small reasons. #1 he can make opposing teams defence look stupid. #2 by doing that he will either finish himself or give it to a goal scorer near him (last season it was Blake, Liles, Sakic, Hejduk, and Svatos) this season I only need to name one and thats Iginla. If fans were smart they would have realized Iginla problem was he did not have a playmaker. They can blame it on the new NHL but who was the playmaker, Daymond Langkow?

My point exactly.

Now for Chris pronger receiving 18%, if anything he should have at least received 30%. Why? For one reason. Look at what he did after the Olympic break. Him and Rob Blake were the best two dmen without question. The playoffs, well we all know what happened there. Now here is the main reason. Did fans consider that for the whole game you will either see Pronger or Niedermayer on the ice. (ok most of it). You can say that means he wont have the biggest impact if Niedermayer is on for the other half.

It will though. By trading for pronger it forces Carlyle to play either Pronger or Niedermayer at all timesm, mostly. Now if Pronger plays like we saw in the second half, it’s either all or nothing for the Ducks.

Say what you will about this you wont change my opinion.


32 Responses to Recent Events

  1. Bacon077 says:

    Proofreader, please.

  2. gtweb says:

    You don’t understand…for the past 10-12 season the Canucks have not had a great goalie…heck, we haven’t had a good goalie in a decade.

    Luongo gives Canucks fans the chance to watch a great goalie play night in and night out. Also, a great goalie can steal his team a heck of a lot more games than a great defensemen can. I am not Luongo is currently the best player in the list above, but there his no doubt he is the most important additional to his TEAM on the list.

  3. gtweb says:

    Besides why the heck are you aruging with the public’s opinion?

    “Now for Chris pronger issue receiving 18% if anything he should have atleast 30%.”

    So your opinion is worth more than thousands of hockey fans who voted on that poll? Go take a hike!

  4. le_sean says:

    Bring back Kirk McLean!

  5. wingerxxx says:

    It’s a little top heavy for Luongo, but I pretty much agree with those numbers.

    Everything starts in goal for a team. And Luongo needed a change in scenery. Vancouver should do much better next year. Yes, they lost Jovanovski, but also gained Willie Mitchell, who is a good defenseman. They won’t miss Bertuzzi a whole lot. Next year represents a whole new beginning for the Canucks. And Luongo should do very, very well, when he has Ohlund and Mitchell killing penalties in front of him.

    Pronger runs an easy second. Anaheim now owns one of the best defensive units in the league, Pronger’s mere presence assures that. Tanguay is up there, because a guy like him is precisely what the Flames needed. Calgary was already a pretty good team, and he gives the Flames that added scoring depth.

    I don’t think that Chara is higher, because this will be his first season as THE guy on defense. That said, I think that he could potentially have just as much impact on the Bruins, as Luongo and Pronger will have for their teams.

    Speaking of Blake, I’m surprised that he isn’t on this list. You are right, he was one of the top 3 defensemen in the league, after the Olympic break. Right up there with Pronger and Lidstrom. Playing with Norstrom again should only help his game, and turn the Kings into a better hockey team.

  6. 2006 says:

    Your obvious anti-Canucks bias taints this article. If the Avs picked up Luongo, you would be calling him a top 3 goalie and planing the route for the stanley cup parade in Denver.

  7. tacitus says:

    why was Marc Savard and Shanahan left off that list? Marc Savard gets to proves hes a 90 pts guy finally this year.

    I think Luke Richardson in tampa

  8. Preft says:

    Anyway

    any of those Deal are better Than Some team did…Like colorado(absolutly nothing)

    (loose Blake,foote,forsberg,tangay,patrick roy) over the last 4-5 years…

    And they replace it whit..Patrice Boohrisebois,Pierre turgeon…and José théodore…The avs will get the #1 draft pick this years lol!

  9. Preft says:

    Anyway

    any of those Deal are better Than Some team did…Like colorado(absolutly nothing)

    (loose Blake,foote,forsberg,tangay,patrick roy) over the last 4-5 years…

    And they replace it whit..Patrice Boohrisebois,Pierre turgeon…and José théodore…The avs will get the #1 draft pick this years lol!

  10. Potvinstillsucks says:

    proof read!

  11. thatleafsguy says:

    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the top is so much better!

  12. Pensfan33 says:

    I dont think we can overlook Shanahan going to the Rangers and playing with Straka and Jagr either

  13. Aetherial says:

    Clearly, the correct answer is Westrum.

  14. 19AVSFANFoLIFE19 says:

    go look at cloutiers numbers since he became a starter for the canucks. they have improved every year.

  15. 19AVSFANFoLIFE19 says:

    No i wouldnt. to be honest Floridas team last year (excluding goaltending) is almost similar to this years avalanche team excluding goaltending. now if you include goaltending i would prefer theodore someone who has made the playoffs performed well in the playoffs and won a hart trophy rather than one person who only has the most saves in a season record.

  16. 19AVSFANFoLIFE19 says:

    explain what that has to do with anything?

  17. 19AVSFANFoLIFE19 says:

    that has to do with nothing.

  18. 19AVSFANFoLIFE19 says:

    im not my point clearly is luongo will have a big impact but there is clearly a few others that will be bigger.

  19. 19AVSFANFoLIFE19 says:

    what you dont think he should. after that second half?

  20. Doctor says:

    Chris Pronger is the game changer. The jury is still out on Luongo. He would be the biggest waste of hype if he does not take the Canucks to the playoffs this year. Imagine that… See ya Naslund.

  21. Doctor says:

    No way man, Gill. Hal Gill is clearly the winner.

  22. Doctor says:

    No way man, Gill. Hal Gill is clearly the winner.

  23. goleafsgo1991 says:

    Ummm the best judge of a goalies ability is his sv%….records, shutout, and to a somewhat lesser extent GAA are ALL affected by what type of tema he plays on. The team wins, not the goalie. If a goalie’s on a good team and gets 10 shots a game he could let in 3, still win, and have a 50-10 record but a .700 save percentage and a 3.00 GAA and he’d be horrible.

  24. gtweb says:

    because you are a douche

    its a fact

  25. Paperhat5788 says:

    I think that most people agree that save percentage is the most important goalie stat. Save percentage is more solely the responsiblity of the goalie while number of wins is greatly affected by the rest of the team. Luongo played awesome and its not really his fault that his team couldn’t win enough games. I guess you feel that a goalie needs to score goals as well in order to make a difference on a team.

    I hope reading this didn’t upset you since you were so “troubled” by the results of an internet hockey pole.

  26. dccentral says:

    LUONGO BY FAR!

    carter is gone for sure. i think the sedins are fine with just a big body they dont need scoring daniel can score fine. with a Pyatt on thier line they will be fine. this is how i see it goin down

    line 1

    Naslund Morrison Cooke

    line 2

    Sedin Sedin Pyatt

    line 3

    Green Choinard burrows

    line 4

    bouck/Rypien/anyone Kesler Linden

    defence

    Ohlund Krajicek

    Mitchell Bourdon

    Bieska Brown

    Goalies

    Luongo

    Noronen

  27. 19AVSFANFoLIFE19 says:

    they are voting for a goalie who has done what in the nhl. doesnt matter about the team Patrick roys first stanley cup i think they were actually the 16th ranked team in the playoffs that year. Luongo is supposed to be so good how come he couldnt lead the panthers to one playoff appearance.

  28. robinson19 says:

    We’re not talking about who’s the better player, we’re talking about which team will benefit the most from their acquisitions.

    In my opinion no team will benefit more than Vancouver… they could’ve been a major contender if they hadn’t had atrochious goaltending. Now they will be because they will have excelent goaltending.

    Chara will help Boston, which means instead of being a terrible team with no chemistry, they will be a terrible team with no chemistry and a great defenseman.

    Off the map, people will underestimate how much Samsonov will help Montreal. He will bring a much needed boost to Ribeiro’s numbers as well as being that chemistry Kovalev has been whining about not having. That line will be dynamite (and it’s only the second line!)

  29. Paperhat5788 says:

    I think I would prefer Luongo over Theodore based on the statistical evidence that on any given shot, Luongo is more likely to stop the puck. I usually like my goaltenders to be good at doing that. It’s sort of important.

  30. Paperhat5788 says:

    “they are voting for a goalie who has done what in the nhl.”

    He has a .919 save percentage for his entire NHL career. That is outstanding. You don’t understand the concept of a TEAM sport. It takes more than a really good goalie to win lots of games and make the playoffs. Scoring goals is just as important as stopping them, and Florida was only 21st in scoring goals last season. Luongo kept them in games despite the fact that the defense was bad as well. You’re trying to argue that if you’re a good player, than you have to lead your team to the playoffs. Well the fact is, all teams have at least a few good players on board, but only 16 can make the playoffs. That’s how it works.

  31. John_Connor says:

    doesnt matter about the team Patrick roys first stanley cup i think they were actually the 16th ranked team in the playoffs that year

    In 1986 (Roy’s first cup year) Montreal was 5th in the Wales Conference in the regular season (7th overall) in terms of points.

    To say that it doesn’t matter about the team is ridiculous… everyone would admit that Dominik Hasek is pretty much the best goalie ever, right (at the very least “one of” the best ever)? So why could he not win a Stanley Cup in Buffalo despite having his best seasons there? And why did he win when the very first year after he got traded to Detroit, the best team in the league at the time?

    That’s right – because a goalie is only part of a team, a big part, but only part. He can’t do everything alone.

    To say “doesn’t matter about the team” is downright ignorant.

  32. Paperhat5788 says:

    “. . . to be honest Floridas team last year (excluding goaltending) is almost similar to this years avalanche team excluding goaltending.”

    I really appreciate your “honesty,” but it really seems that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Colorado and Florida were not similar (excluding goaltending) at all. Colorado was 4th in the league in scoring goals. Florida was 21st. Colorado was 11th in the league in giving up shots while Florida was 29th. So, ‘to be honest’ with you, Colorado and Florida were two teams that were not similar at all.

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