Restricted free agent Turris not without his suitors

Phoenix Coyotes boss Don Maloney doesn’t even need to dial his phone these days.

Not that he’s surprised. This, he would have seen coming.

With restricted free agent Kyle Turris holding out, Maloney must have known that it would take only a few weeks of hockey — in particular, bad hockey — for the suitors to start queuing up.

So it comes as no surprise that underwhelming presences in the National Hockey League such as the Ottawa Senators and, yes, your Calgary Flames are reportedly showing keen interest in the services of the young centreman.

While Turris undoubtedly possesses talent — enough to make him the No. 3 pick at the 2007 draft, behind Patrick Kane and James Van Riemsdyk — the question remains: exactly how much talent?

In 65 outings last winter, the lad posted 25 points. Not 55, not 45 — but 25. Meaning he is largely unproven. He is not Jonathan Toews.

But it is true that the Flames do need to get younger.

Only the Detroit Red Wings, by a grey whisker, are older than the Calgarians, who check in with an average age of 29.9. (The Wings are 30.0.)

It is also true that centre-ice blue-chippers are especially prized.

OK, at what price?

What do the Flames have to offer? Short of Mark Giordano, everyone should be in play, and the Coyotes do have acres and acres of cap space.

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33 Responses to Restricted free agent Turris not without his suitors

  1. dumbassdoorman says:

    I am very curious to see what happens to Turris. Maloney, has earned more for him already by at the least threatening to let him sit the year. Any team that wants to trade for him and give up whatever they do, will want him playing sooner than later in their organization somewhere. Somehow i think he will bring a much greater return than he should.

  2. alpalstewart says:

    I agree, and that bodes well for what my oilers might get for Gags, I think tambo might be waiting to see what turris brings in a trade before he deals away Gags. and IMO Gagner is the better player.

  3. dumbassdoorman says:

    Gagner is the better player, Turris has the greater upside

  4. albertateams says:

    Maloney does have to deal him before December 1st. If he holds onto him beyond that I think his value really plummets, losing a full year for a prospect is huge. Somebody is going to over pay for him though. There is no doubt he has some talent and I would love the Flames to get him but not at a ridiculous price. Compounding the issue of acquiring him is what would he truly want for term and salary from a team other than Phoenix. He doesn't deserve more than 2-2.5 million for 2 or 3 years and that's based on potential not accomplishments. If he wants North of 3 million then he's really not worth giving up much.

    For the Flames I'd offer Bourque straight up, I think its a massive overpayment (I think Phoenix should be also sending a 2nd or 3rd round pick), but the Flames need to take the risk on a young guy with potential. For the Coyotes they get a top six winger who scores 25-30 goals a year signed for 4 more years at a reasonable cap hit. 

  5. reinjosh says:

    That is a lot. Personally I'm not a fan of Turris. I'm just skeptical of the kid's talent. I've never actually seen what people are so enamored with (I didn't see the playoff series last year).

    At this point though, I'd consider that deal. At the very least it would signal a team rebuild and would almost force the team to take a year to reload on prospects and gain some cap space. I'd prefer a safer deal on Bourque (I feel like we could probably get a 1st and a decent prospect) but I'd be willing to take a risk. 
  6. albertateams says:

    Yeah I agree its an over payment but I think that's the type of deal it would take to get him from the Coyotes. He has some talent but he hasn't been able to put it together quite yet I think its 50:50 whether he develops into a 1st/2nd line center or an NHL journeyman. I just like the idea of the Flames having Turris, Backlund, Horak and Reinhart down the middle as center prospects. Could develop into a nice group if everything goes right if not I think at the very least out of the 4 you get a 2nd and 3rd line center.

    I think Bourque is the first to go. I just hope its for a nice package of prospects and picks rather than an attempted quick fix. If Calgary waits until the deadline and Bourque continues to score the Flames could probably get a Penner type deal for him from a cup contender.

    I'm not sure if a 1st and a decent prospect is much safer. Depends on where in the first round and the prospect, but I would be fine with a return like that as well.

  7. albertateams says:

    Nashville just signed Pekka Rinne to a 7 year 49 million deal. That's a lot of money for that franchise. Personally I think Rinne is worth it but where does this leave them with Suter and Weber?

  8. 93killer93 says:

    Nashville signed Rinne to a 7 year deal 7 mil per.  

  9. dumbassdoorman says:

    Way too much money, IMO for Rinne, good goalie but not great. they will now see who stays and who goes based on salary and term demands? Nashville will be making a big trade later then sooner though

  10. albertateams says:

    He's only 28 so it takes him to 35 which isn't bad. Its a lot of money but I don't think its more than what he would have got as a UFA. I think Rinne is one of the top 5 goalies in the league. I agree that one of Suter or Weber will be moved.

  11. 93killer93 says:

    i personally think they lock up Suter and trade Weber. Suter will be cheaper and Weber will get a bigger return. 

  12. reinjosh says:

    YEah I guess. Given the chance to play with Tanguay and Iginla, Turris could light things up. It would certainly make the center depth younger and more talented. 

    Penner was a top prospect and a 1st? I guess it's what you want. As long as were going for a high pick this year and Turris won't affect that to much, I'm ok with going for that option. 
  13. albertateams says:

    True. The return on Weber could be incredible, but trading the best d-man in the game entering the prime of his career can't be a positive sign for the direction of your franchise

  14. 93killer93 says:

    With Rinne getting 7 you would have to think Weber would want at least 8.  I don't see the preds as a franchise that can afford 2 players making 15mil+. 

  15. albertateams says:

    Penner was a former 1st, a first and a conditional 2nd. I think an overpayment but teams do stupid things at the deadline.

    Turris is a write off for this year regardless of where he goes. Its unlikely that he misses 1/4 of the season goes to a new team and has a major impact. As such I doubt it changes the Flames draft position if the deal goes through.

  16. albertateams says:

    Depends on how much he likes playing with Suter and the rest of the Preds and how Nashville structures the deal.

  17. dumbassdoorman says:

    Ya but suter will get 7 plus as a UFA, so Weber is in Ovie, Crosby teritory moneywise, mark my words…..someone will give him 9+

  18. albertateams says:

    I don't think Suter gets 7+ from Nashville 5.5-6.5. As a free agent maybe 7 plus.If Weber hits the open market but he's a RFA this summer so they maintain control for at least another year.

  19. reinjosh says:

    As long as they aren't giving up there first rounder this year or next. 

  20. dumbassdoorman says:

    I was talking when he did, plus if they wanna sign him they have to"buy those years" as some guys like to say

  21. reinjosh says:

    They probably could actually. They are financially stable, contrary to popular belief. They just need to spend smartly and spending it one of the best goalies in the game and two of the better defenders makes sense. 

    DA – Rinne is a top 5 goalie. Last season he put up arguably one of the best season's for a goalie in years, only to overshadowed by the best season of a goalie ever. He has kept a team that can't score a perennial contender. WHile Nashville's defense is constantly pushed as awesome, it isn't the best in the league by far. It's actually sort of weak depth wise. Rinne is the real deal. 
    Weber is the next one to re-up. The Preds don't have any player in the system to replace him, and he is irreplaceable. Yes he could bring a lot, but I just can't see them trading him. It would downgrade their defense spectacularly. 
    As sweet as Suter is, he's the guy they have to move, if they have to move someone (which isn't guaranteed). PMD's are invaluable at the deadline and would return just as much. Look at what Burns got, or Kaberle got. Suter would easily get the same, if not more. Plus he is the most replaceable on the team with Blum, Roussel, Ellis and Rosi. They are stacked with PMD's. Suter is the best chance they have to get a gamebreaking forward. 
    This move actually opens up the possibility of Lindback to be traded. A cheap goalie coming out of the Nashville system is valuable. Add in Ellis and you could have a nice package to get a forward. 
  22. reinjosh says:

    Maybe a little much but he's a better goalie than Bryz and deserves at least as much. Plus you have to overpay to keep long term and in Nashville. 

  23. dumbassdoorman says:

    Never said he wasnt good or real deal, just saying 7mil at 7yrs is a ton….mark my words, it will cost them one. weber knows what he is worth on the open ,arket as the best dman in the game. and he brings a greater return, pending on what suter wants?

  24. dumbassdoorman says:

    I realize that some markets have to overpay, but fact is a lot of just as or more proven goalies are making less, like Kipper, Miller, Fleury, Ward etc. I am not sure he would have got 7 as a ufa, but who knows especially until there is a new CBA?

  25. MystifoLeafs says:

    Honestly I don't understand what people see in M.A Fleury I mean hes not in the top 10 of goalies in the league. 

    Also the idea of giving 7 million to Rinne sends a statement to Weber. That were wanting to win. Weber is not all about the money he wants to win as well. Also 7 million per year is a lot for a goalie but your talking about a top 3 goalie here. A guy who put up numbers last some people can only dream of having 10 games in. IMO 7 mill spent in a proper way.
  26. mapleleafsfan says:

    I'd put Fleury in the top 10 goalies in the league. He's had some consistency issues but he's proven it when it counts (aside from world jr's obviously lol). Always around top 10 in numbers and has won a cup. 

  27. Boston_Bruins says:

    I was shocked when I heard this. Rinne is a great goalie but I honestly think this is an absolutely terrible deal given the situation they're in. They only spend $50 million in cap room and they still have their two most important players to sign, both of whom will be asking for similar money. 1/7 of their budget on a goalie, for 7 more years nonetheless. Unreal.

  28. 93killer93 says:

    Don't forget Kostitsyn, Wilson, Blum all need raises

  29. 93killer93 says:

    Things are going to get very interesting in Nashville. They only spend about 50 mil. they already have 30mil next year committed to 11 players. 8 forwards 1 defenceman and a goalie

    They have to resign,

    Suter and Weber would cost them close to 15mil. even if they spent to the cap they'd only have abput 18mil to fill out their roster. 
  30. Boston_Bruins says:

    Pretty safe to assume Suter won't be in Nashville next year, with Weber probably being the more valued piece, and holding RFA status. I forgot about guys like Blum, Wilson and Kostitsyn. Nashville has been the smartest-run team for years IMO, but I think this one will cost them big-time.

    Suter is in for a massive pay day on the open market. Really interested to see where he lands.

  31. albertateams says:

    Sign a 49 million dollar contract, record a shut out. Not a bad birthday at all.

  32. reinjosh says:

    The days of nashville as a small budget team are over…

    The Chairman/Owner stated yesterday that they are committed to signing both Weber and Suter long term, and Weber's deal will be similar to Rinne's. He stated the money and the desire to keep the three is there. He said that management has the green light to spend money to retain the core. He also stated a commitment to improving the offense, saying that they know you can't win on defense and goaltending alone. 
    Poile also essentially said that the spending was going up, alot. "If you follow through now with what Shea gets in salary and what Pekka gets in salary, what Suter could logically expect in salary, you could see where our payroll is going. That’s why you hear me talk about the window of opportunity for our franchise. The window of opportunity is not just today, it’s as long as we sign these core players. That’s what I’m trying to hit home to them to get them to believe in." 
    He also stated that they are looking for an offensive piece, be it Radulov or someone else or both. 
    Nashville is looking to build a team that is dominant…this is the start of it. 
  33. DannyLeafs says:

    I don't see the reason for all the criticism of the deal. Rinne is a top 5 goalie in the league easily, and if Nashville can get Suter and Weber Committed with Trotz coaching, they can be a consistent playoff team by adding servicable players around that core and geneart good playoff revenue. From a fiscal standpoint it makes sense. With a little success and the buzz created by signing the big three, they may be able to push the budget and become a team that can really make some noise in the playoffs with a key addition or two.

    We've seen that markets like this have to overpay, see Koivu in Minnesota, or Nash in Columbus. It's just the way things are. Without these players the team could be in for financial ruin as without a core, fans will have no players to identify with and will slowly leave. Small market teams need familar faces for their star players to keep fans attention.

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