Rumors from the Toronto Sun

By BRUCE GARRIOCH, Sun Media

The Maple Leafs GM has to wait until January before he can hold talks on a contract extension for rookie goalie Jonas “The Monster” Gustavsson, but he might want to get the framework in place, because if Burke is going to live by the sword, he had better be prepared to die by it, too.You see, it was Burke who threatened the Bruins with a Group II offer sheet before making a deal for winger Phil Kessel in September.

The Leafs could easily be sitting in the same position if they don’t get the 25-year-old Swede signed. Gustavsson, who is making $810,000 (all terms US) on a one-year deal this season, has emerged as the club’s No. 1 goalie ahead of Vesa Toskala.

There would be more than an NHL GM or two who wouldn’t mind put the screws to Burke by signing The Monster to an offer sheet worth $5 million a season.

Gustavsson was the most sought-after free-agent goalie on the market before he signed with the Leafs last summer. Every team in the league scouted him. Most made a pitch for him. The Stars thought Gustavsson was going to sign there to push Marty Turco for the job.

“Don’t think for a second there wouldn’t be a lineup of teams again offering up big money if he gets to restricted free agency,” said a league executive.

Around the boards

The heat has been turned up in St. Louis. Owner Dave Checketts told reporters Friday he’s disappointed with the way the Blues are playing. “I’m frustrated like everybody else,” Checketts said. “And I think it’s frankly time to declare the wait over. I think our fans have been patient, I think we’ve been patient. This is a team that the time has come … it’s time to win. The waiting is over. We don’t need to be patient anymore.” Coach Andy Murray was given a vote of confidence, but the comments were a little strange. Don’t forget Peter Laviolette and Craig MacTavish are both looking for work … An NHL GM on trying to make a trade at last week’s meetings in Toronto: “We all talk and we all try, but every deal is about money. That’s all we talk about. All we want to move is players who are making big money. Deals are very difficult for us to make right now.” … The Predators are trying to deal RW Ryan Jones to anybody willing to listen. He is making $975,000 and playing in the minors.

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2009/11/14/11749631-sun.html


231 Responses to Rumors from the Toronto Sun

  1. cam7777 says:

    I under-estimated the effect that Tavares would have on that team.  He has turned them into winners simply by being who he is. 

    When asked a few weeks ago what he expected from his rookie campaign, he didn't mope and point to the team's youth and relative crappiness as excuses as to why he might not have a Crosby-like rookie year, he said he expected as much as he could possibly give.  When asked what he expected from his career, he said he expected to give it his best shot, to be the greatest player in the history of the game. 

    Now that's how you set goals for yourself.  That attitude has spilled over onto the entire team.  I think Snow got lucky in his ineptitude on this one though, as any sensible manager would have surrounded Tavares with some better talent, and then, subsequently, taken the dressing room away from him.  Horse-shit lucky if you ask me though….

    It'a amazing the power that leadership has.  It's like they say though, it's better to have a lion leading an army of cowards, than a coward leading an army of lions.  The Leafs are neither cowards, nor lions, but they don't have a leader at all….

  2. reinjosh says:

    montreal handcuffed themselves with bad salaries
    they cant make many changes over the next couple seasons
    the lineup they have now is not so good
    therefore they are in a bad position
    toronto is coming out of bad contracts and has a ton of salary cap room
    we have tlusty, schenn, kessel and kadri as draft picks and first rounders
    plus a bunch of developing youngsters from the draft
    so we built through the draft
    now we go after stars through trades and ufa
    therefore we are in a better position then you
    and your taylor hall argument is pointless
    taylor hall isnt even an nhl player and it will be years before he can become any type of player
    kessel is already a 30 plus goal scorer and on pace for more points and goals than any montreal player
    therefore he is currently the better player

  3. reinjosh says:

    Tavares is going to be a special player

  4. mojo19 says:

    He was a 90 point guy a few years, ago, then off year two years ago, then he was a stud last year, and hes a top 10 scorer in the league so far this year. So I'd say $7 million is pretty fair for Marleau, and only 4 years is good because then he'll be 34 when the contract is up.

  5. mojo19 says:

    Thats the point though, Ward would never let in that game 7 OT goal, he's too clutch. Maybe the most clutch.

  6. bbruins37 says:

    i know how people think. believe me, it plays a huge part in it, mainly because what else could it be?

    "its because he just simply isnt the best
    he plays a dangerous style (the flopping around) but he has made it work
    until he starts losing because of it i wont criticize it"

    lol you just did criticize it. youre docking him points because of his style, while at the same time saying youre not. unless youre second and third lines somehow arent related to the first, but then that would just be pointless to say anyways.

    hahaha you say for sure top ten here and then in a later post you say he isnt even top 13. looks like someone is suffering from not being able to keep their emotions out of an argument…

  7. bbruins37 says:

    ….

    of course it boils down to me taking a shot at kessel right? i suppose me saying gretzky is better than lemieux is just trying to take away from lemieux's success too…

    lol and where are you getting those stats from?

  8. bbruins37 says:

    lol youre honestly a joke. you consider me evaluating shutouts per game as opposed to just plain shutouts "twisting the stats".

    on top of that youve now said that thomas is a for sure tp ten goalie, and then here (once you are so steeped in your rage of always being wrong) say that he isnt in the top 13. thanks for coming out 

  9. reinjosh says:

    saying he plays a dangerous style doesnt mean im criticizing him
    if you had any handle on the english language you could understand that
    in fact my 2nd and third line prove that im not criticizing him for it, just mentioning that while it has potential to get him in trouble he has made it work so i cant really say anything
     so this is more you trying to look for anyone who tries to make your bruins less than you think they are
    and if you could read properly you would see that the comment where i said he wasnt top 13 was in response to your stupid comment about right now, and i said if you were talking right now, sv% thomas isnt even in the top 13 (this season)
    man you are so dumb
    its a wonder how you got into queens seeing as you can barely understand half of what you read and other times you simply ignore context

  10. reinjosh says:

    my rage of always being wrong? lol
    i can admit when im wrong
    thats what seperates me from you
    your twisting (or more or less ignoring them) the stats by only considering sv%
    its not a very good way of judging goalies
    you have to look at all the stats, as everyone on here has tried to tell
    thanks for trying to recover in the 8th failed argument on thomas
    but if you could read properly, you would see that i said if we are talking about the best current goalie, then thomas doesnt rank in the top 15 (my mistake), because 15 other goaltenders are ahead of him in this years sv% rankings
    i mean if sv% is the only thing that matters and we are talking about right now, then thomas isnt even a top 15 goaltender
    haha oh bbruins

  11. bbruins37 says:

    a) when have i ever said that only save % matters?

    b) find my argument where i said 10 or so games played isnt a big enough sample to jugde a goalie by. why would i put luongo so high then?

  12. bbruins37 says:

    "current goaltenders
    thomas isnt even in the top 13"

    thats what you said after a post where i was explaining that i dont only look at save percentage.

    also, it strikies me as funny that you would say 13 when he's in 16th right now. seems like someone is scrambling…

  13. reinjosh says:

    a) "i really dont see how wins and GAA are important at all. sure, some of the wins can probably be credited to the play of the goaltender (although not entirely) but then you have games like thomas getting a shutout against florida and stopping the first 3 shooters in the shootout, and still picking up an overtime loss becasue the bruins couldnt score.

    for GAA, its almost useless when you have save percentage. it all depends on the team's defense and style of play."

    you say wins and GAA are useless. What else is there? SV%
    not to mention i think about 3 occurrences have you saying the only thing you take into account is SV% in regarding how good a goalie is

    b) my point was that one season where thomas lead the league in the NHL doesnt make him the best goaltender at all. You wont look at 10 games as an accurate or big enough sample/representation of a goalie's skill yet one season makes him the best goalie in the league? it doesnt make sense
    especially considering he has the best defenseman in the league in front of him.
    thats why he seems to be good. Other goalies dont have that in front of them. Thats what seperates them from thomas.
    Thats why Kipper, Lundqvuist, Brodeur, Luongo, Backstrom and Miller are all better goalies than Thomas

  14. reinjosh says:

    those stats come from an independent scout (i cant remember his name, he was on TSN though) that went through all kessel's goals last year and looked at them
    and it doesnt boil down to that
    i could care less
    i just like to point out your hypocrisy
    and that gretzky lemieux argument has no hold on this conversation
    its just an not so well thought out idiotic comment from an idiotic troll

  15. reinjosh says:

    you cannot read context can you
    you said current
    i said top 13 (when he was a couple days ago but he dropped to 16th when i just recently looked, but good try on the scrambling)
    which is current by this season's standards
    holy shit you are dumber than a stick

  16. albertateams says:
    bbruins

    Right now I'm not even convinced you get what your saying you have contradicted yourself multiple times sometimes with in one post. 

    Its still worse and I already stated games played for each goalie, so any logical person can make the jump. 
    I get your save % argument plus tangibles. What do you not get about SV% plus other stats as mentioned above plus intangibles gives a more complete picture.
    You just keep going around and around. You won't use this years stats and you won't use four years it has to be a two year window under one stat category. You are insanely biased. 
    Nobody is going to agree with you Thomas is not the best goalie.
  17. bbruins37 says:

    haha i said sv % was the only stat that i put alot of emphasis on. there are things other than stats that i look at.

    i know one season doesnt make him. you dont realize that he's been good every year… this is ridiculous, all im ever doing is repeating myself. look through all the comments ive made and piece it together yourself. i realize that youre probably incapable of doing that, but at least give it a shot

  18. bbruins37 says:

    even if you think that a player is good, it is still possible to think someone is better and still think the original player is still good. that is the exactly the situation between kessel and krejci, and thats why i brought up the lemieux comparison. ive said all along that i thought krejci was the better player (which doesnt mean im slighting kessel).
     
    "i personally don't think kessel should be getting $5 million, especially because i think krejci is a better player and he got 3.75"

    said by me on Thursday, July 23 @ 09:03:02 MDT

    "kessel has awesome potential and yes hes a 30 goal scorer but i still dont think hes proven enough yet to sign a deal that would equal savard's current deal in money…along with more than bergeron's deal prior to his injury when he was easliy considered the face of the franchise"

    said by me on Saturday, April 04 @ 18:57:17 MDT

    "i think kessel is over valued as he is too hot and cold"

    said by me on Saturday, April 04 @ 13:59:46 MDT

    frankthetank agreed with me on the consistency comment and hockeyhead also stated that kessel shouldnt be making more than krejci. those are the people (along with myself) that watch the bruins more than anyone here, and there is no bias because at that time they were both bruins.

    but of course you will come back and somehow say im a hypocrite, probably saying something like "your an idiot. your a hypocrite. theirs know weigh you can say that. everyone nose your wrong and im write."

    and that is the reason that i wont be arguing with you anymore. you are incapable of leaving your emotions out of formulating your arguments. im sure you will respond to that by saying "know you due bbruins! you are the idiot! you are stupid and dont no the english language! you fail at comprehension!"

    good day.

  19. DannyLeafs says:

    Your comments are ignorant. When I said you can't say it has been scientifically proven that teams build through the draft I mean that how do you go about proving it. How many drafted players does a team need to have on its roster to be considered built through the draft. Every team will have at least some, but what is the magic number that proves it. I don't doubt that tanking for several years and getting really high picks is a good way to rebuild in some cases, but it is far from the best way. Look at all the teams that have been awful but still are no where near contention. The draft is a crap shoot, you might get good players or you might decide to draft a Kostitsyn over Jeff Carter. My point is that saying "it's been a scientifically proven fact" before saying something that is highly subjective, is a sure fire way to make sure that even if you have a valid point, you come across sounding stupid. Besides, it isn't like Toronto agreed to give up drafting players forever by making the deal for Kessel, its just two first round picks. I am not saying they aren't valuable, but saying Burke got raped, given that the average value of a first round pick is about a 20 goal scorer at best, is kind of dumb. Want proof, look at Detroit. They are easily the most successful team of the last decade or so, do you know how many of their own first round picks are on that team? 1, and while Kronwall is a very good defensmen he isn't near their best player. It is true that Detroit is built through the draft, but they also have several good players that they simply signed out of other leagues or from other teams, just like Burke did. Also, what about Philadelphia, they have traded away several first round draft picks over recent years, they have plenty on their team, but traded away one just this summer to get Pronger. Are they less of a contender for making that trade simply because it cost them a first round pick?

    Next, when I said its short sited to call Tlusty a bust, I didn't say he had done anything at the NHL level to prove that he isn't, simply that it is still too early in his development to write him off completely. He will never be a superstar, but if he turns into a quality 25 goal scoring winger, I wouldn't call him a bust.

    As for Plekanec, my point is not that he is a bad player, he has been their best player, but Gainey went about signing him in a stupid way. He showed no loyalty to a guy that has been one of their best point producers for several seasons and signed him to a one year try-out kind of deal. My point is that if Plekanec has a good year he will want a raise and a longer term, but he won't get that in Montreal as they are too tight against the cap. If he plays poorly they will simply let him walk and will still have nothing to show for signing him in the first place. Therefore what was the point of signing him? He has been good this year, which pretty much has his ticket punched out of Montreal for next season.

    Finally, you go right back to "What if Taylor Hall is as good as Stamkos, Tavares, or Thornton?". That doesn't really mean this trade will be a bad one. Taylor Hall could turn out to be the next Ovechkin, but unless the leafs finish dead last and still maintain the first overall pick through the lottery, they wouldn't get a chance to draft him anyway. Going into a brand new season, you cannot pass on a player because that you might get to draft first overall, the leafs have had worse teams on paper than their current team, and the highest they got to draft was 5th.

    Also, Gainey has the Canadiens in horrible shape. Even if the Canadiens had some amazing young talent, they wouldn't be able to afford calling them up. They have committed over 30% of their teams salary to a glorified second line, and their contracts will be on the books for 5 more years a piece.

    And the most important point, which is that you are overlooking the very fact that Gainey did exactly what you said doesn't work. He tried to jump the gun and build a team from scratch in one year using nothing but free agents. The big difference is that Burke hasn't committed much money to anyone who isn't a reasonably young player entering his prime, and still has plenty of cap space to work with in the coming seasons. Gainey, However, has made sure that if you don't like what you see from Montreal this year, too bad, same team will be there next year.

    The point is that you are one of those foolish people that over values the unknown. Sure the pick could turn out to be someone amazing, but a lottery ticket could be worth millions, but it's expected value still isn't worth the two bucks you spent on it. The fact is Burke Essentially traded away two first round picks that could be good players for one first round pick that is a good player, that really isn't that bad a deal. If he had used a first round pick in that draft year to move up and draft Kessel people wouldn't have as much a problem with the deal, but it would have boiled down to the same deal, two firsts for Kessel.

    Finally I will give you one point, and that is I am a little worried about the way Burke drafts players. He tends to over value size, not that it isn't important, but in a draft, if two players with equal numbers are available, he will usually just take the bigger one. The problem with that is, at their young age many of the players haven't grown into their frame yet, but some have, and the ones that have often have inflated numbers simply because they are bigger and stronger than most of the other players. Which means that players that produce big because of their size, aren't likely to have that kind of advantage at the NHL level, while players that produce despite their size, usually do so because of high skill level. So I am worried that Burke will be unlikely to draft one of those hidden gems in the later rounds and simply look for big tough guys that could be 3rd and 4th liners at best.

  20. lafleur10 says:

    sorry but he couldn't touch cammalleri on his best day! cammalleri is a better player check the stats they don't lie! end of story!

  21. lafleur10 says:

    dummyleafs,most of the teams that won those stanley cups and 3/4 of their rosters built through the draft detroit built their core through the draftmost of them were late round picks! datsyuk 8th r.d pick zetterberg late round pick lidstrom late r.d pick holmstrom late round pick! they have the best scouting staffin the league! pittsburgh crosby 1st r.d. pick,malkin 1st r.d pick letang 1st r.d pick,fleury 1st r.d pick! new jersey.elias 1st r.d pick parise.1st r.d pick brodeur 1st r.d pick! these are the player that are the core of there teams so tell me that it doesn't work building through the draft! philadelphia has these types of players,so does boston,sanjose  washington too! where are they in the standings! these are the elite teams! these are the teams that are cup cntenders! yes they've added pieces through trades and free-agency but they had the base playersor core players added through the draft! open your eyes to this fact!! it works these teams that i listed proves it works! and for your years your laffs didn't get this process and to a degree still haven't got it! when cliff fletched uttered those words draft schmaft i say to him cup schmup
    i laffed at him because that showed just how dumb he was but not valuing and building through the draft and constantly adding old washed up veterans and went for the band-aids every year for the laffs! where did it get them? nowhere no cups,little to no young talent and years behind the contending teams that chose to build this way! there's my point that picks and building the core of your team! then add to your team not the way burke is doing it! burke like i mentioned and that you mentioned has a a tendency to take the bigger player with size over skill and i think he is wrong thinking that way because speed and skill will always prevail over size! so yes burke's drafting skill are something that 's left to be desired! he needs to hire scouts that put emphasis on speed and skill over size and toughness! it's o.k to have size and toughness but you need a good mixture of both and he doesn't like that!look at your current team for proof and where has that got you? 

  22. reinjosh says:

    incapable of leaving my emotions out of it? haha your just looking for ways to end a losing argument
    regardless of who the better player is (i could care less about you think, you may have even convinced me that last year krejci was the better player, and maybe he did deserve more money) what part of kessel doesnt owe anything to the bruins dont you get?
    the bruins screwed him over and showed him they didnt want him, so why does that make it wrong for him to want more money from a team that didnt want him?
    in my mind kessel did nothing wrong
    and maybe i was looking for ways that you would sleight him, meh
    and yah your right, you watch the bruins more than anyone else
    but from both players play this season, kessel warrants more money than krejci does
    i guess thats where my other parts of the argument are from
    is that good enough for you? probably not
    you will probably respond with some type of insult and deflection that you will try and use to bring the argument away from the fact that you cant prove that kessel has been the better player this year and that he didnt owe anything to the bruins
    see im not incapable of admitting mistakes, unlike you
    see unlike you, i take two improving seasons after his first of goal improvement over one season of point improvement over the first
    i guess thats more personal opinion maybe
    although many people would agree that goal scoreres who have continued improvement (one more season that krejci had) usually get more than playmakers.
    i like the whole failed english statement and useless points argument
    it really shows your maturity

  23. reinjosh says:

    i have any you havent lead me to any concrete conclusion on why thomas is better than the 5 or so goalies i have mentioned
    i never once said that he hasnt been good or isnt a good goalie
    i have agreed with the statement that he is a top ten goalie in the league and last year i said that too
    i dont agree with your statement that thomas in number one in the entire league
    that statement has no basis
    and your whole argument of mainly (and most importantly) emphasizing sv% is not accurate on rating goalies
    you need to look at everything (although i agree sv% is more weighted in that rating than wins would but they are not concrete in saying one goalie is better than another). Games started, wins, shutouts, GAA and SV% all must be used and by doing that, you find that thomas is not a top 5 goaltender.
    your repeating useless comments that dont go to support anything you have said
    everyone has said countless arguments backing up the fact that thomas is no higher than 6th and no lower than like 8th but he cant top Backstrom, Brodeur, Luongo, Kipper and Lunqvuist.
    Obviously your incapable of seeing that and admitting your wrong
    hopefully that changes in your life for you sake

  24. reinjosh says:

    for whatever reason he cannot see that he is only using a select amount of stats and completely omitting other ones in his representation of goalies.

  25. DannyLeafs says:

    Again, you completely missed the point. I simply stated that trading away two first round picks that have unknown value for one first round pick that has proven he can play in this league is not setting them back right now, and not likely to set them back in the future. The leafs aren't supposed to be a basement dweller team that rebuilds by being awful for 10 years. It's not as if being terrible and keeping your draft picks is sure fire, there a lot of teams that followed this model that will never win a cup. I agree, good drafting in later rounds is important and hopefully Dave Nonis will help with that. I also think that Burke taking Kadri in the first round over a hulking defensemen may show some signs that he realizes the value of skill.

    I won't argue that the leafs have been mismanaged under Fergusson, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the original point of contention, which was that the leafs are screwed because they gave up two first rounders for Kessel. The leafs are a team that is rebuilding, they are going to continue to use draft picks, they are going to have a large portion of their team made up of players that they themselves drafted or signed.

    Also, Boston is an example of a team that was built by making smart signings and trades, and were not built through the draft. They traded away their best drafted player, and outside of Lucic, Bergeron and Krejci their core is made up of guys they traded for or signed. Savard, Wideman, Wheeler, Chara, Morris, Ryder, Recchi, Sturm, Thomas, and Rask were all players that were drafted by other teams. Boston is not an example of a team that patiently built themselves through the draft.

    Also, at least Toronto has had some good runs in the past 12 years or so, what does Montreal have. Over a decade of failure and mediocrity with no hope of being a contender in the near future. Before pointing to the past 12 years or so, please realize that your team has been even worse, is not really much better right now, and does not have a bright future. Montreal is in for a tough few years, and is likely going to have to suffer through a similar fate as Toronto did for the past 4 seasons, not being good enough to contend and not being bad enough to rebuild. Have fun with that.

  26. lafleur10 says:

    trading away 2 first round picks that are in the lottery and potential could be top 3 is mortgaging the future when your not done rebuilding lok you drafted a kadri that is 1 guy! where are the others with that kind of talenT? they dont have and gave them away to boston! see what i'm trying to say! kessel should be a piece of the puzzle not the main building block which apparently he is! let's say for agruement sake that the btuins draft taylor hall and he turns out like tavares or stamkos with that 1st pick in this years draft and then next year let's say the leafs are bad again like this year and the bruins end up the a patrick kane! where if you guys kept those picks you'd have those guys and be further ahead!burke didn't draft you guys a defenceman because burke anticipated those guys that we signed were going to be available if komisarek and beauchemin had resigned with there former teams he would've shifted his focus on forwards!you mentioned that toronto has had some good runs in the past 12 years! big deal did they win the stanley cup in any of those years? did they make the cup finals? no! in there brief run that they had did they ever finish first in any of those years first in the conference? no the highest they got was 5th! montreal did 2 years ago so we've had some good runs too! so to say that we've have had any success is bullshit! how many cups have you won since 1967? your last 1! none how many have we won since your last 1in 1967 10! it sure is convient that you forget mention that fact!and as far as us not being able to rebuild,like i said  as long as trevor timmins is in our organization we will continue to draft really well add to what we have and will be really good for a long time! the benefit i guess of giving those guys long term contracts that will handcuff us for a bit is it will maybe  we will not be good and maybe we will fall into a top 10 draft postion and with timmins skills at the draft we will reap the rewards ! that's were having a guy like him in your organization pays off! and if the laffs were smart they should should find a guyslike that! i know your going to say they have dave nonis ,but nonis isn't in timmins league! timmins is 1 of the very best he's not the best but he's definately up there!so i didn't say the leafs were screwed by giving up those picks,but i think they would've been better served holding onto them!see and we also have a g.m. who doesn't throw away draft picks like water which also helps in a rebuildimg process1 danny leafs the next time pierre macguire is on the fan 590 phone in and ask him this question and listen to his response and ask him if he was a g.m. of  a team that was as bad as the leafs and he seen that those picks could be top 3 and he knew that hall and seguin were available and he knows that those guys could be potential franchise guys ,ask himif he would've made the kessel deal! you'll be surprised by his answer!and yes macguire is the guy to ask he knows about every player in the league and every junior player out there he's the best andsmartest analyst in the game and he's the most connected1 and sometimes we don't like his answers because he tells it like it is! but he is the top guy in the business!

  27. lafleur10 says:

    trading away 2 first round picks that are in the lottery and potential could be top 3 is mortgaging the future when your not done rebuilding lok you drafted a kadri that is 1 guy! where are the others with that kind of talenT? they dont have and gave them away to boston! see what i’m trying to say! kessel should be a piece of the puzzle not the main building block which apparently he is! let’s say for agruement sake that the btuins draft taylor hall and he turns out like tavares or stamkos with that 1st pick in this years draft and then next year let’s say the leafs are bad again like this year and the bruins end up the a patrick kane! where if you guys kept those picks you’d have those guys and be further ahead!burke didn’t draft you guys a defenceman because burke anticipated those guys that we signed were going to be available if komisarek and beauchemin had resigned with there former teams he would’ve shifted his focus on forwards!you mentioned that toronto has had some good runs in the past 12 years! big deal did they win the stanley cup in any of those years? did they make the cup finals? no! in there brief run that they had did they ever finish first in any of those years first in the conference? no the highest they got was 5th! montreal did 2 years ago so we’ve had some good runs too! so to say that we’ve have had any success is bullshit! how many cups have you won since 1967? your last 1! none how many have we won since your last 1in 1967 10! it sure is convient that you forget mention that fact!and as far as us not being able to rebuild,like i said  as long as trevor timmins is in our organization we will continue to draft really well add to what we have and will be really good for a long time! the benefit i guess of giving those guys long term contracts that will handcuff us for a bit is it will maybe  we will not be good and maybe we will fall into a top 10 draft postion and with timmins skills at the draft we will reap the rewards ! that’s were having a guy like him in your organization pays off! and if the laffs were smart they should should find a guyslike that! i know your going to say they have dave nonis ,but nonis isn’t in timmins league! timmins is 1 of the very best he’s not the best but he’s definately up there!so i didn’t say the leafs were screwed by giving up those picks,but i think they would’ve been better served holding onto them!see and we also have a g.m. who doesn’t throw away draft picks like water which also helps in a rebuildimg process1 danny leafs the next time pierre macguire is on the fan 590 phone in and ask him this question and listen to his response and ask him if he was a g.m. of  a team that was as bad as the leafs and he seen that those picks could be top 3 and he knew that hall and seguin were available and he knows that those guys could be potential franchise guys ,ask himif he would’ve made the kessel deal! you’ll be surprised by his answer!and yes macguire is the guy to ask he knows about every player in the league and every junior player out there he’s the best andsmartest analyst in the game and he’s the most connected1 and sometimes we don’t like his answers because he tells it like it is! but he is the top guy in the business!

  28. DannyLeafs says:

    Your statements make no sense.

    "let's say for agruement sake that the btuins draft taylor hall and he turns out like tavares or stamkos"

    Do you know how to make a logical argument? Assuming that the worst case scenario occurs is not a way to argue against the deal. That would be like me saying that signing Cammalleri was a bad idea because he might slip in the shower break his back and never play again. There is a possibility of Boston ending up with a player as good or better than Kessel, but it is statistically unlikely that it will be an overly lopsided deal in the long run. It could hurt the leafs, but honestly without getting Kessel we would be watching our team and hoping for losses to pile up, and as a hockey fan, I don't really ever want to watch a team and hope they lose.

    "the highest they got was 5th!"

    Actually they finished 4th in 2000 and 2003, 3rd in 99 & 04, and 2nd in 02
    If my math serves me correctly that is 5 times finishing higher than fifth, which is more than never finishing higher than fifth, meaning you just make stuff up off the top of your head.

    "we will continue to draft really well add to what we have and will be really good for a long time"

    To continue something you first need to begin. Montreal has not drafted very well for a team that has held on to its picks. Outside of Price, there is no real high end potential in the bunch. Their current team is not built around draft picks, its build around the idea you don't need to build around draft picks. They aren't very good now, and won't be very good in the near future.

    Macquire may be one of the smartest hockey analysts, and he may not have liked the Kessel deal, but I doubt he would say that the leafs were Raped. He is a hockey guy, he would not want an organization with Toronto's assets to sit on its hands and tank purposely in order to get a top pick. Honestly the draft system is flawed, they should not be rewarding teams that tank. They should put every team that finishes out of the playoffs in the lottery, and stop rewarding bad GMs for their failure to build competitive teams year after year. The league would have a lot more parity if a team that finished one point out had a chance to land a game breaker through the draft.

    Finally, all of your statements seem based on some pre conceived knowledge that its obvious that the leafs were going to finish in the bottom five and get a top three pick. However, seeing as their team was a definite improvement on paper of the previous two incarnations, there is no way you could actually predict that they were going to start so slowly. Also, even with this slow start they aren't the worst team in the league, so realistically they would need to have even worse results than they already have to have a chance at Hall.

      

  29. bbruins37 says:

    i have never contradicted myself. not once. you keep saying i do for the sake of it.

    i have told you why i think every stat besides save % is useful to analzye. this isnt biased or anything like that. thomas had by far the best GAA last year and im telling you thats useless.

    obviously i keep going round and around. all you keep saying is that i contradict my self, and i explain over and over that im not, but you just say "contradiction". and i have explained (once again, over and over) that you cant tell much from this year yet; ie. its not a fair measure). if you want to lump it in with last year, that is somewhat acceptable to measure as a whole though. and i have also told you over and over why more recent success is more important than what happened years ago.

    obviously no one will agree with me. no one is ever convinced in an argument. they get deeper and deeper into their stance, or if they are convinced, they will never admit it. i am above both of those things, but ou are just a common person, so i can put you into that category.

  30. bbruins37 says:

    *have told you why i think every stat besides save % is USELESS to analzye

  31. albertateams says:

    bbruins

    "a) when have i ever said that only save % matters?"

    "haha i said sv % was the only stat that i put alot of emphasis on."

    "yeah dont even mention how he is always near the top for save percentage (the only stat that really matters for goalies)."

    "save % is the only STAT ill go by."

    You don't see how you have contradicted your self in your quotes above. Do you know what a contradiction is?

    I agree GAA is the least valuable goalie stat when looking at the goalies individual performance.

    "i am above both of those things, but ou are just a common person, so i can put you into that category."

    I apologize I didn't realize I was talking to royalty. I guess all us commoners better get back to work. You are a joke. Thomas being the best goalie in the NHL is a joke. Deal with it.

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