With Ryan O’Reilly back, is it time to move Paul Stastny?

I think Stastny is the guy they need to seriously consider moving. No offense to him either, but if I’m the GM of this team, I go with Duchene and O’Reilly as my top two centers and try to get something for Stastny while I still can.

Stastny, 27, has 12 points (five goals) in 20 games this season, with a minus-5. He has one power-play goal. While it’s true he has scored at least 20 goals his last three seasons, his point totals in those years declined from 79 to 57 to 53. He seems tired with this team, a guy who looks like he could use a fresh start somewhere else. The Avs have missed the playoffs four of the last six seasons with him as one of their top two centers.

Of course, Stastny has one year left on his contract at $6.6 million. That would be a tough contract to trade. But so will O’Reilly’s $6.5 million next year. By letting another team hit them with an offer sheet, the Avs now will pay much more for O’Reilly than they ever intended — and probably more than any team (except one, Calgary) ever would have intended.

If O’Reilly can put up strong offensive numbers again in the next 12 months, he would still have very high trade value. But that probably isn’t going to happen playing with Mitchell and Hejduk.


68 Responses to With Ryan O’Reilly back, is it time to move Paul Stastny?

  1. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Does anyone really want to invest in Stastny? He’s got Craig Janney written all over him. It’s the same problem as Grabovski, he’s a good band-aid center but wouldn’t fit in a contender’s top six. Sign him? Sure, trade assets for him? No so much.

    • reinjosh says:

      I contend your view on Grabo and Stastny. But I’ll stick to Stastny.

      Statsny is a playmaker without anyone to pass too. That’s why he’s only hitting the 50 point level. His skill level is much higher than his points suggest but his linemates have been crap. He needs to find a triggerman for his passes. He misses Hejduk. Find him that triggerman and he’s going to start posting 45 plus assists again.

      Plus he’s getting shitty zone starts at only 35 percent a game, and yet finishes with over 50 percent zone starts. That’s incredible. He’s leading the puck out of the d-zone and ending his shift in the ozone at a significantly higher rate than he’s starting his shifts. His PDO is also pretty low. He’s getting pretty unlucky on the ice.

      Put him in the ozone more, give him a trigger man, and he’s going to start getting back up top into the 40 plus assist range.

      Does it make sense to go after him for the top line? I’m not sure how his style will work with Kessel. I do think he can be a successful top line center, but Kessel isn’t a normal triggerman. He likes to hold the puck and carry it into the zone. Usually the center does that. Statsny would be an upgrade on Bozak easily, but is it enough to go after Stastny? Maybe.

      I’d be game as long as the price isn’t sky high.

      But Stastny is certainly much better than you’re giving him credit for

    • mojo19 says:

      Haven’t heard Craid Janney’s name in a while.

      I like Paul Stastny, always have. He’s got good moves and good vision on the ice, but I agree that we shouldn’t trade for him.

      2 years ago the Avs could have dealt him for a 1st and a decent prospect, now they’d be looking at a 2nd rounder and would have to take back some salary.

  2. doorman says:

    You say that like being a PPG centre is a bad thing, lol. I think Janney got a bit of a bad rap, but that’s just me. He was what he was a play making centere.

  3. nordiques100 says:

    Stastny is soft. Pairing soft Stastny with soft Kessel is not so good.

    He too isn’t the most interested defensive player. He is Connolly 2.0.

    At least Bozak can kill penalties, win draws and such. He is soft too but not as soft as Stastny.

    I think i’d rather have Grabovski.

  4. doorman says:

    would you resign Bozak? If so what is he worth, in your opinion?

    • nordiques100 says:

      2.5 to 2.75 mil at most.

      having said that, he could possibly end up with 3.5 mil on the open market.

      • doorman says:

        Ya as much as I am not a kypreos fan he says rumor has bozak is looking for $4mil per season.I like him, but not at that much, lol, so now do you trade him or keep him and hope for the best?

        • Gambo says:

          I think he’d take a discount to stay in Toronto. If they can sign him somewhere between 3-3.5m I’d be happy, but I think that depends on Grabo being traded or not.

          Other people have mentioned how Burke loved Grabo and now that he’s with the ducks it could be an option for them considering they’ve always been looking for a 2nd line centre.

          I’ve always hated the Grabo signing. As hard of a worker and skilled of a player he is, he’s not worth 5.5m and neither is Bozak or Kadri(yet) who are outplaying him and need to be signed this year.

        • mojo19 says:

          I don’t even really like him. If he wants $3-4 million, then see ya later Bozo, thanks for the mediocrity.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      I like Bozak, ideally he’s your 3rd line center (he can play up), someone has to get money in your bottom six. We can argue the numbers but I look at this way… with Steckel walking there’s a million, you’ll have to either let MacAuthur walk or trade Kulemin’s rights and give that money to Bozak IMO. I like Bozak was the guy you give the top nine contract too, better spent at center than on the wing.j

      But I hope we can keep Mac, he scored yet another momentum change goal last night. Under three million on a two or three year deal. I know he’s not a giant but he plays well with whomever he plays with.

      • doorman says:

        Ye but still what would you pay him?

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          I know, I know, just give Gardiner 40 minutes a game, play Reilly at center while adding Phaneuf the best press box in the leauge and everything will be ok…

          • doorman says:

            Ya, um that won’t work Gardiner is only good for 38 and a half minutes a game, next plan please, lol

            • leafs_wallace93 says:

              Ok, trade Kessel for….. things…. then get a franchise center somehow…… then PWNED other teamz

              • LN91 says:

                10 bucks I could run the Leafs better then you 2…

                Even Nonis is using Kessel as trade bait, TSN said it tonight.

                • leafs_wallace93 says:

                  Yeah, we can think critically and you can parrot media. You’d make a great puppet for MLSE.

                  • mojo19 says:

                    If I were Tanenbaum I would have to hire Wallace as GM if you two are the candidates. You can be director of scouting though LN91.

                  • LN91 says:

                    Your the individual that would tie up 10 million in the the worst overpaid top-two centers in the league.

                    This is business first, Toronto made one bad investment (Grabo) and cannot make another stupid one.

                    Granted, you guys all defended the Grabo deal last year when I blasted it…So what happened?

                • doorman says:

                  For starters I would not wanna be GM of the Leafs, truth be told. Two reasons, one, I got $20 that says it is a hundred times for difficult then you think. Two I couldn’t come on here and complain, though I rarely complain. I also rarely throw out deals, what cause I have no idea what other GM’s are thinking. Do I comment on deals others make yes, and most put in good thought. However, fellas, It just isn’t that simple.

      • mojo19 says:

        I don’t like Bozak as a 3rd line centre on a Randy Carlyle team. He’s small, he’s weak, he’s average in so many area’s and he’s not so sound defensively.

        For Carlyle we should be grabbing a big, bad Brian Boyle type of centre to compliment Jay McClement. Have 3rd and 4th liners who bruise, bang, cycle (something Bozak is incapable of), and most importantly we need our 3rd line centre to be a responsible defensive player.

        There will always be more affordable options than Bozak anyway. The one advantage to having him as your 3rd line centre is in case of injuries to top 6 fwd’s he can plug in on the PP and move up into an offensive role if need be. Still, not worth it, and not a good fit for me.

        I know he’s butt buddies with Kessel, but we’ll just have to break them up.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          I worded that wrong, I consider Bozak a utility guy you can slot into a top nine. He’s young enough with upside and he’s versatile enough. Not unlike Stajan was. I’m not stoked about giving an overpayment to another plug to replace Bozak in that role, I’d rather just overpay Bozak by a million on a two year deal.

  5. mojo19 says:

    I know he’s a rat and he’s not exactly tough, to put it mildly. But one centre we could be looking at now is Mike Ribeiro. Say what you want about him the guy has tremendous skill and he’s one of the most consistent scorers in the league, regardless of who’s on his wing.

    Mike Ribeiro would be nice. I’d trade Bozak, a 2nd, and a half decent prospect for Ribeiro, then see how he gels with the team and maybe extend him after the year.

    • mojo19 says:

      scratch that. I don’t like the idea of Kadri and Ribeiro long term. That’s a pretty lethal tandem from an offensive stand point but I don’t see it being a deadly threat in the playoffs.

      • LN91 says:

        There’s no real threats out there.

        Burke screwed up huge with the Kessel deal, it’s sadly in the past and should be forgotten. He’s been a great offensive force…But he’s not that franchise player Burke was advertising. It’s just not his character, I remember Kypreos saying the same thing a few months ago.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      I always liked Ribeiro, he draws penalties, he’s a pest, he does a lot of little things. With our goon squad to back him ego he could flourish here, I’d rather swap Garbo for him.

  6. LN91 says:

    According to some rumors, one major riff in Leaf management was Kessel. Burke and Nonis differed on views about Kessel moving forward.

    Obviously, Kessel was Burke’s guy and not Nonis.

    If he does not feel strongly about Kessel moving forward, I would prefer possibly using him as trade bait to find a quality center.

    • mojo19 says:

      I’ve heard those rumours as well.

      Well if Nonis is shopping Kessel then he’d better get someone worthwhile back. Bobby Ryan, Cory Perry, some kind of impact athlete.

      At the beginning of the year I was ready to move Kessel for a 1st, and a couple of high end young pieces and just cut our losses and start the rebuild. But with Kadri impressing, and all the tough guys playing so well for Carlyle, I wouldn’t want to sell off Kessel. Wouldn’t be worth it. It would have to be a star for star type swap to be worthwhile.

      • LN91 says:

        I think it depends on how Lupul returns from injury, if he turns to the player he was last year, Kessel might be a bit more expendable.

        I think right now there’s 2 possible situations if an extension is not done by the end of summer:

        1) Trade at deadline if the right deal comes along. Perry swap with extension?

        2) Trade at the draft, I don’t think Nonis will get a first-line center…But he might be interested in a can’t miss center prospect.

        I only think this will occur if he does not want to sign him, in other words committing 7 million to a player you are not sure about. His value is probably higher now and at the deadline then as a rental. I doubt Nonis would lose him for free.

        However, I feel the one player that is safe is Lupul…Because that was his first transaction.

        Also, seems to really like hard-working players that gives 100% each night. Not something that fits Kessel’s DNA, maybe where they differed on opinions.

        • mojo19 says:

          Perry for Kessel and then extend Perry would be ideal for me. That’s the dream right now that I’m hoping for.

          And ya Lupul is great, and I know it was a freak accident that hurt him this year, getting hit in a soft spot by Dion’s shot, but he is one of those guys who seems to get injured.

          I mean, no way to blame Lupul for the infection in his back after his surgery. That was terrible luck! Still, it happened to him. He’s one of those injury prone guys.

          Hopefully he stays healthy for a few years here though.

          • LN91 says:

            Well, if a Kessel for Perry swap does occur. The wingers would be JVR, Perry, and Lupul.

            Big, skilled, and hard-working players.

            I still like Kulemim, and he’s coming at bargain prices.

            I would prefer to deal Grabo and sign Bozak to a second-line center deal. I think he could do well with that role…Or interchange him and Kadri as 2nd/3rd.

            Just need to find a first-line center, sigh.

            • mojo19 says:

              I miss Mats Sundin. Since he left about 90% of Leaf discussion revolves around the need for a top line centre.

              Mats Sundin forever. Time to go watch some youtube video’s of him scoring big playoff goals vs Philly and Ottawa. And then when I’m ready, Carolina.

              • LN91 says:

                I adored previous captains of the Leafs. Sundin, Gilmour, Clark when I was young 🙂 It’s like they could do no wrong when they were on the ice.

                Which makes me so irked by Phaneuf.

  7. mojo19 says:

    Before we go giving Bozak a $4 million per season contract or something remember that Kadri is RFA after this season. He’s going to get payed, so the only way it would make sense to me to pay Bozak anything over $2.5 million would be if we could dump Grabovski.

    Could you imagine having $15 million of a $64 million cap tied up in our top 3 centres, and them being Kadri, Grabovski, Bozak? That’s like a quarter of our cap space. There would be no room to improve in other areas after that.

    To me either Bozak goes or Grabovski, or Bozak takes a modest raise to stay on. Nothing else seems to add up.

    • LN91 says:

      Finally, some actual BUSINESS logic.

      Bozak would probably command 3.5-4 million, and a Calgary or Nashville might do it. It’s not logical to tie-up 9 million in cap space in 2 centers that are a combined 22 points this season.

      I warned about the Grabovski deal a year ago and was very critical for this reason. Not that I did not mind signing him, but he was overpaid…Even though it’s a million, what the hell are we going to do with is contract now?

      Those buyouts should be saved and not wasted after one season.

      • mojo19 says:

        I was under the impression that these amnesty buyouts are a 1-time deal, this summer only. Like the last lockout, to help teams comply with the cap, not to be saved up and used down the road. Have I been mis-informed?

        • LN91 says:

          I thought they were to be used throughout the CBA. Maybe I’m wrong?

          If so, woulnd’t Komisarek been bought out of his contract already?

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          Two buyouts over two summers, so can use them this off season or next only.

          I’d like to see a run at big UFAs and if they don’t happen, save them for next off season in order for the flexibility to try again.

          • mojo19 says:

            Ya, I’d save it too if we can’t land a big UFA. Might as well just let Komisarek finish off his contract.

            Or hell, in the final year of his deal we might actually find someone willing to pick him up, with us maybe eating half the remaining salary. Big deal.

      • doorman says:

        Finally someone who just doesn’t wanna throw away buyouts….thank you.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      At the end of the day Bozak will be overpaid by a million by someone, I’d love to see Garbo get moved (everyone’s stomach turned at bit at the price but it’s not like he had other centers to compete with at the time, the mess Kadri is making is a good thing).

      I’m not going to hate it if Bozak walks but let him play out the season see how he develops at least. I don’t want to start sacrificing talent for the sake of Garbovski (I’d rather see pressure mount to move him out).

      Kadri will be affordable given what he brings, we’d all love to see a healthy run Getzlaf. I can’t see Garbo’s contract co-existing with another good center on the team.

      Put Lupul in the same category. Hated the term of his extension given that Caryle and him don’t have a good track record. JVR is proof that Kessel can find chemistry with most players. Where does Lupul really fit in? It’s not like we’ve lost a step without him in the lineup. He just feels like quality filler to me. It’s too bad Lupul is a Nonis guy.

      • mojo19 says:

        Travis Zajac has 7 points right now (he’s been healthy) and just got a fat 8-year deal. He’s earning close to $6 million a year!

        I don’t even think Grabo is overpaid by too much. Well I do, because a lot of centres are vastly overpaid, but I think its more of a comment towards the market price for capable centres then it is to Grabovski specifically.

        If Grabovski were performing the way he did last December-January then he’d be fine, but he’s not playing quite at that level is he.

        It’s a tough call here. I mean, maybe we should hold onto Bozak. I honestly would rather try for a UFA like Matt Cullen. He’s fast, reliable at both ends of the ice and seems like a really coachable guy. He’d probably command similar money to Bozak, maybe even a bit less given the age.

        Andy MacDonald is another guy I like. Plus Andy can comfortably play any forward position.

        • doorman says:

          While MacDonald and Cullen are two coachable guy, they don’t fit long term, so I say pass. I do like the idea of that type of player. Sometimes people don’t realize it isn’t always stars that make the big differences. Look at McClement (who I might add I suggested we aquire before) has done wonder for the power play, yet most were either meh or didn’t like the signing.

          • mojo19 says:

            Ya you did suggest that, I was on board with your suggestion. I was always impressed with him in St.Louis. I actually bought the McClement jersey at the ACC a couple weeks ago.

      • mojo19 says:

        I actually really like the way Lupul plays though. He’s just a creative guy, who plays with some sandpaper and can finish. Nothing wrong with that. Its not as though we only need 2 good wingers or something.

        Lupul could slide in on the 2nd line given JVR and Kessel’s chemistry this year. Just adds more depth to the roster.

      • doorman says:

        Ya the Grabo deal valuewise in unfortunate, in that centres rarely hit the market. Does he make more then he should? Yes, yes he does, but some other GM, would have paid the same or more on an open market, it’s the nature of the beast.

  8. mojo19 says:

    lol at “hash tag smiley face”

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      I just want to apologize for ruining the Leafs, I was fully aware it was my fault, in the future I’ll pay better attention to my Christian guilt.

  9. LN91 says:

    I’m really happy that the Islanders are allowing Nino, Matt Donovan, and Brock Nelson to develop in Bridgeport. Looking good.

    Also, allowing Strome and Reinhart to remain in junior. Look good as well.

    They are finally allowing their prospects to develop the right way.Unfortunately, they had to ruin the careers of Blake Comeau, Kyle Okposo, Josh Bailey, and others to do so.

    • mojo19 says:

      Kind of like Schenn in the case of Okposo and Comeau. The cupboards were so bare and the roster was so weak that they were pressured into jumping the gun with their prospects. Now in Long Island there is at least some bright spots in their roster and the patience displayed by management is encouraging.

      Having said that, I would be fine by me if they continued to screw around and just stay in the basement forever. One less team to worry about.

    • LN91 says:

      Anyway we can do a Jesse Blacker for Brock Nelson swap? Haha. Fills a major need for both teams.

      • mapleleafsfan says:

        I’d like that. Nelson has some nice size and OK numbers (and C most importantly!). Hopefully Eakins could get him going a bit more.

        Is blacker that good of a prospect though? I’ve never seen much of him but his AHL numbers are nothing impressive. Hockeyfutures has their ceilings as comparable.

        • doorman says:

          I think Blacker will not be what we all hoped. That being said I think he would be a great 5-6 dman. He is smart with the puck, physical, skates well and plays hard, what more could one ask?

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