Senators to be sellers

TSN is reporting that the Ottawa Senators are likely to be sellers at this years deadline. One of the names that is being mentioned as could be on the go is Jason Spezza.

It is mentioned that the Senators are looking to ad prospects and draft picks to their team and that in total some of the players on the Senators team that could be moved include Chris Neil, Filip Kuba and Jason Spezza.

It is stated that “Instead of building for a playoff run Bryan Murray is now expected to be busy on trade day retooling his Sens team for next season”

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35 Responses to Senators to be sellers

  1. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    niel and kuba will go, but i doubt anyone else gets traded. certainly not spezza

  2. RossCreek says:

    "According to Murray the list of unavailable players is a lot shorter than the list of available guys. Murray said he won't be asking captain Daniel Alfredsson, defenceman Chris Phillips, sniper Dany Heatley or two-way centre Mike Fisher to waive their no trade clauses. That leaves the remaining players open for discussion, including playmaker Jason Spezza.  Although Spezza's no trade clause doesn't kick in until July 1st, don't expect the Senators number one centre to be on the move."

  3. HABSSTAR says:

    I think Spezza has to be moved.  This team needs too much and you have to give a little to get a little. 

    They need to address their goaltending a a serious manner.  I mean honestly, if this team had decent goaltending they'd be playoff bound this year, and the one year they did get decent goaltending they went to the finals.   Use Spezza to bring back a true #1 goalie and possibly more.

  4. LeafsNation91 says:

    Kuba, and Neil will probably go…

    I really cannot see any value for Vermette and Fisher that would get them a decent return in prospects because of their high paying contracts and poor play, maybe another underachieving player on another team?
    Maybe a Cheechoo for Fisher or Vermette deal
  5. wayne98-mapleleafs says:

    I think spessa is a great player when he wants too, but toronto better not trade their 1 st rounder for him,,,  

  6. muckies says:

    You'd be lucky to EVER get spezza, Franchise centers don't get dealt very often, it ever, and if they did trade with Toronto it would look something like this. You don't even have close to enough assets to get him anyways.

    Ott: 1st 2009, 2nd 2009, 1st 2010, 2nd 2010, Kaberle, Stajan
    Tor: Spezza

  7. habswinthecup-again says:

     C'mon Muckies that is ridiculous, first of all Spezza is not a franchise center (esp. this year) second of all you have 2 too many draft picks and 2 too many players in your trade proposal, you would be lucky to get a 1st and a 2nd rounder for Spezza and I believe Murray would jump at that if for no other reason than to get some Cap relief.
     And I already know that Montreal does not have a franchise center either so please refrain from making any brilliant comments to that effect.

  8. muckies says:

    Neil I think will sign beofre the dealine, they are only about 100K apart at the moment. Here are some deals that make sense. I'm laso a big fan of trading within your Conference, as you see how Atalanta's deal last season has completly turned Pitt upside down.

    Wash: Kuba, Zubov a semi-long shot prospect
    Ott: Anton Gustaffson (prospect at about a Horcoff level, but not willing to take a slapshot in the head)
           Kyle Beach (stud like Fisher)

    Flo or Buffallo or Columbus: Comrie and Schubert
    Ott: 3rd and a 4th rounder (only because they are in the same conference, Columbus needs some scroing)

    Edm or Columbus: Picard
    Ott: Edmonton 2nd

    IF Neil is traded, which he won't be

    Wash or NJ: Neil
    Ott: 2nd and a 3rd

    Gerber claimed off re-entry waivers by Carolina, he played well there before and they need a couple of Wins from their back-up down the stretch here.

  9. habswinthecup-again says:

     Picard for a 2nd eh? Don't think so

     Carolina's backup has actually played almost as good as Ward so I do not think they Gerber, but good try tho!

  10. cam7777 says:

    so how does he intend to improve the team?  No one is interested in any of the other players, and the unavailbe guys are the reason they can't afford help on the 2nd line, back-end or in goal.  They have to move one of these guys to even out the roster.

    is murray so blind that he can't see what happened to Tampa?  Eventually he will be forced to move one of the big 3.

  11. muckies says:

    Spezza is a franchise center, whether you want ot belive it or not. He's only 25, I know thta's hard to process for some people, becuase it seems like he has been aorund for forever and already done so much, but 25 year olds locked into long-term contracts cost a ton.

    A Montreal deal would look like this

    Ott: Halak, Mcdonaugh, 1st 2009, 2nd 2009, 1st 2010 and Patrice Brisebois (just kidding) 

  12. mojo19 says:

    Well typically it takes 93 pts to make the playoffs. That's obviously not written in stone but that tends to be the magic number ever since this was a 3-point game league. So the Sens have what 53 or 55 pts, so they'd need to win about 20 of their final 24 or 25 games to get to that number. Obviously this team is sellers.

  13. mojo19 says:

    lol, this is a muckies post.

    uhhh, Chicago drafted Kyle Beach, not Washington, and Fisher is not a "stud". I think the guy in Washington's system you might be thinking of is former Penguin Kris Beach, but he's a borderline NHL'er.

  14. habswinthecup-again says:

     Spezza is one-dimensional and this year he is not even very good at that so I do not see how you actually believe that Ottawa would get even close to that.

     From Montreal for Spezza (who we do not want) you would be offered either Halak and 2nd 2010 or 2nd 2009 and Fischer, there would be no 1st round pick (unless it was straight up) and there sure as hell would be no McDonagh, so quit dreaming.

  15. jeff_friesen_wpg_jet says:

    Wow buddy. Jason Spezza is definitely not a franchise player. He is a great first line playmaker, but he will never be a player you can build your team around. In my opinion, the only franchise players in the NHL are Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Nash, Luongo, Kovalchuck, Lecavelier, and Iginla. Spezza is a great offensive talent, but no where the complete player that all these players bring to the table every game and season.

    If would imagine the trade mareket for Spezza is a first rounder, top prospect, and one or two players that can fill roles depending on talent.

  16. LeafsNation91 says:

    I think you forgot Brodeur…

  17. LeafsNation91 says:

    2nd and a third for Neil…

    Antropov's value just jumped to a first and second
  18. jeff_friesen_wpg_jet says:

    Ya you could consider Brodeur as good as he is. Hes gonna retire soon though, so I thought the franchise tag might be a little bit of a stretch.

  19. cam7777 says:

    muckies, i usually respect what you have to say and agree with most of it, but this is just utter nonsense.  if you think the senators aren't sorry they signed Spezza to an enormous and expensive long-term contract, think again. 

    Spector, a respectable hockey journalist, believes that even if Spezza were playing better this year, the Sens would be hard-pressed to find a taker.  His contract is simply too enormous for most teams in the league, and he will continue to hurt the Sens until they trade either him or Alfredsson. He will do so, simply because his undeservedly gigantic salary does not allow Murray to acquire good help at any other position than the first line. 

    What's he going to do when Volchenkov and Phillips need raises and the salary cap has imploded.  Murray is F'ed.  He'll trade Spezza for a top prospect and a 1st. 

    The most obvious choice would be Columbus.

    To CLB:
    Jason Spezza
    To OTT:
    Derrick Brassard, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

    Atlanta is also an option before Spezza's trade clause kicks in on July 1st, but they might not be able to afford Spezza's deal comfortably on the fiscal side of things…

    That said, I see your point about him.  He has done very well for someone so young.  His contract is what hurts his value so badly right now.  He may turn into the Yzerman type player Ottawa fans so desperately want him to, but right now, with Heatley and Alfredsson outplaying him, he is not a franchise guy.

    My suggestion, like I said to you the other day, would be to move Alfredsson and use the capspace he frees up to find solid players to play with Spezza and Heatley.  Voila, two lines…

  20. habswinthecup-again says:

     "To CLB:
    Jason Spezza
    To OTT:
    Derrick Brassard, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick"

     No way man, Brassard was on his way to winning the ROY until he got hurt (and Mason showed up), plus a 1st and a 3rd, way too much for a one dimensional player that is not even doing his one dimension very good this season.

     Brassard and a 4th, or 1st 2010 and 3rd 2009.

  21. cam7777 says:


    -Jason Spezza to CLB for Derrick Brassard, a 1st and a 3rd
    -Mike Comrie resigned to a 3 year deal worth 9.5 million (3.167 cap hit)
    -Chris Neil and Filip Kuba to BOS for Vladimir Sobotka and a 1st (or 2nd)
    -Chris Kelly and Christoph Schubert to DAL for a 2nd round pick (largely a salary dump; dallas could probably use the veteran help of kelly with morrow and richards out of the lineup, and schubert is a versatile player)


    -Select Magnus PaarjaarviSvensson 5th overall
    -Select Stefan Elliot 16th-18th overall (CLB)
    -Select Ryan O'Reilly 30th overall (if BOS coughs up a 1st)

    -Mike Fisher, Alex Auld and a 1st in 2010 to PHI for Daniel Briere
    (an affordable backup for whatever free agent goalie the Flyers sign, plus a solid 3rd line center and a 1st in exchange for Briere, which basically amounts to salary relief for both teams, since at least Briere will put up points in a 1st or 2nd line role)


    -Sign Martin Biron, 3 years, 9 million dollars (3 mil cap hit)

    Dany Heatley – Daniel Briere – Antoine Vermette
    Magnus Paarjaarvi – Derick Brassard – Daniel Alfredsson
    Vladimir Sobotka – Mike Comrie – Nick Foligno
    Jaarko Ruutu – Jesse Winchester – Shean Donovan

    (Ryan Shannon)

    Chris Phillips – Erik Karlsson
    Anton Volchenkov – Chris Campoli
    Jason Smith – Brian Lee

    (Alexandre Picard)

    Martin Biron – Brian Elliot

    CAP HIT – 49 million

    Still room left over to go after Jay Bouwmeester, Francois Beauchemin, Scott Niedermayer, Mattias Ohlund, or pretty much any big name defensemen that becomes available this summer.  Or, another possibly scenario would be trading Vermette for defensive help, and going after a top line winger in free agency, ie :

    Antoine Vermette and a 2nd to NSH for Dan Hamhuis
    -Sign Marian Gaborik

  22. cam7777 says:

    you know what, i agree that he isn't worth what I just proposed.  I just feel, that's what he would go for.  Clearly, Columbus wouldn't acquire him unless they felt he was a very good player who brings them to the next level.  Any team that actually has interest is going to probably pay more than he is worth.  Does that make any sense?

    Also, Brassard did look fantastic early in the year.  Still, 30 games or whatever it was, in the NHL hardly makes you a solid gold, untradeable commodity.  I don't think that GM's value these kind of prospects as highly as people like you and me on these websites.  I believe even Brassard and Wheeler are movable assets.  One season is merely a good start, and hardly guarantees and long career of awesomeness…

  23. sid-the-kid-87 says:

    i like what you have done here. maybe move foligno to 2nd line for paarjaarvi, cuz he has played very well for coach clouston, and i dont even think paarjaarvi would make it next, not cuz he's not talented enough, but cuz i think he will stay in sweden another 2 years. 
    trade donovan cuz i think he is useless. maybe pick up somebody like a corey locke or david steckel. someone who needs a chance to make it.

    karlsson wont be on the top defense pairing either, i could see him spending the first half of the year in the minors adjusting to north america.

    otherwise   well thought out and i like it.

  24. habs79 says:

    Really? You're serious? Really? You think Spezza can bring in that much? Really? Wow, and I thought the rumoured deal for Lecavalier was too much. At least he has a cup ring. Anyway you don't have to worry, I seriously doubt Burke has any interest in a Jason Spezza. 

  25. habs79 says:

    Done so much? What exactly has he done? Won a cup? No. Won a an Olympic gold medal? No? Won a Hart Trophy? I don't believe so. Won an Art Ross? ummmmm still no. Played an entire 82 game season? Nope.

  26. scuzzie says:

    news flash… the salary cap is going to most likely decrease next season, so, those high priced free agents are going to have to sign at a "all star bargain"

  27. cam7777 says:

    hmm, news flash to you, the salary cap is in all likelihood increasing next year to approx. 58 million, and decreasing the following season to 52 million (approx.). 

    plus, if you noticed, I wrote the salary cap hit at the bottom, and it is well under even the lowest estimates…

  28. cam7777 says:

    hey, thanks for the intelligent response; much appreciated.

    yea, paarjarvi i figured would get the 10 game tryout, or whatever it is that rookies are entitled to before their contract years begin to count.  If he can click with fellow Swede, and captain, Daniel Alfredsson, then he can stick around.  If not, then absolutely, move Foligno up to the 2nd line, and give him the chance to shine.

    with Eriksson also, his placement was kind of a worst case scenario, if the Sens are unable to acquire a competent top-pairing d-man in free agency.
    The key, in my mind, is that there be two scoring threats on each of the top 3 lines.  So you have Briere and Heatley, Brassard and Alfredsson, and Comrie and Sobotka.  All should be more than capable of putting up points.  Find a respectable puck-mover to split time with Campoli at feeding these guys passes, and this team can return to offensive dominance.  Biron, also, is competent enough to do well in Ottawa.  No need to trade for, or overpay for, a top end goalie if Brian Elliot is being groomed for that role…

  29. Niedermayer_20 says:

    David Fisher is just as valuable as Mcdonaugh dont forget that

  30. Niedermayer_20 says:

    i do like what u got here but i dont think room left for bouwmeester because of the cap going down u need room. sign comrie for 1 yr at 2mill(3yrs is ridicilious). beauchemin is a possibility . im sure the rangers will try and sign ohlund at 5 yrs 32.5 million cause there idiots

  31. cam7777 says:

    again, the cap is going up next year.  it won't decrease until the following season, so it won't be crunch time yet.  i don't think bouwmeester will go to ottawa anyways, but some of the others might be options, like you said.

    comrie will get more than 2 mil for 1 year.  he's not going to take a 50% pay cut to play with the ottawa senators….

  32. mojo19 says:

    To be fair, they don't know for sure if the cap is going up next year or not. There's a good chance it will stay roughly the same.

  33. habswinthecup-again says:


  34. GoLeafs13 says:

    I wouldn't even trade just Kaberle for Spezza.

  35. cam7777 says:

    true, but it shouldn't really effect signings too heavily this summer, as most GMs are retardedly short-sighted in this department…

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