Should the Leafs trade Sundin?

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William Houston of the Globe and Mail is suggesting that it may be time for the Leafs to trade Mats Sundin.

Although the first thing that may of you will say is “he has a no trade clause” the reality is that Sundin may be able to fetch a hefty return for the Leafs. According to Bill Watters, it is time for the Leafs to send Sundin packing to a team that is a contender because the Leafs would “fetch a huge package of prospects and draft picks that would help the team to rebuild.”

HTR believes that although it would be devastating to many Leaf fans to see Sundn go on his way, Watters does have a point. At present time the Leafs are in a downward spiral andi some would argue that it would only be fair to Sundin to see him have a chance to win a cup before he retires.

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112 Responses to Should the Leafs trade Sundin?

  1. leafy says:

    Wellwood will likely help the offence.  The more you score, the more goals you need to give up to lose, no?

  2. leafsreek says:

    You can’t possibly understand hockey, you still think the leafs have a chance!

  3. I-BE-LEAF says:

    Go Ducks, go!  How's that for correct use of punctuation, Capital Shitty?

  4. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    winning helps management keep their jobs. but its not like the GM's of every team that misses the playoffs gets fired. under JFJ the leafs have been average. not enough to fire JFJ in the short term, but if this moves into the long term catagory, he'll get fired for sure.

    do you think JFJ i sitting in his office thinking…"geeze i could pul this trade for sydney crosby, but Wade Belak puts fans in the stands, I cant lose him"

  5. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    a chance at what???????

    i haven't said anything about the leafs chances at anything….how can you assume what i think.

  6. I-BE-LEAF says:

    Luke Richardson.  Dean McAmmond.  Randy Robitaille.  Shean Donovan.  [cough]

  7. leafsreek says:

    The Ducks are the team that beat the Ottawa Senators in the Stanley Cup Finals-the Leafs have been watching the finals on TV for many years now, and have enjoyed it so much, that now they decide that they want to watch all of the playoffs on TV. 
    Impressive comment once again I_BE_LEAF!

  8. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    no GM in their right mind would go after those players

  9. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    why should we watch the playoffs. every year its the same story, just different teams.

    my money is on Carolina kicking the sens out this year.

  10. leafsreek says:

    The playoffs are the first step to getting to the Stanley Cup Finals. Maybe you should sit down and watch them sometime, they can be really quite exciting, even if your team is not in them.  Why don't you call Darcy and Mats and get them to come over to your parents house and you can sit between them and do a little bit of skiing while watching TV.  I'm sure they'll love your Leaf Pajamas, they'll especially appreciate the little trapdoor on your backside.
    I've had enough of this little conversation, I though it might end up as a hockey discussion, but clearly that is not why you're on this website.

    GO SENS GO!!!!

  11. MtlHabs09 says:

    Montreal will be a contender in 2 years, about the time Sundin's career will be winding down. Note that I also said that this would NEVER happen…

  12. I-BE-LEAF says:

    Wait, unique username… wait! Please don't go. We promise we'll behave. What will we ever do without your punctuation, sarcasm, and insight? How will we ever be able to discuss our team without you? You want a hockey discussion, then next time show it. Nice attempt to leave with some maturity, pal.  Save it.

  13. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    wow, you make  comments like those and then accuse me of trying to cause trouble.

    you're both stupit, hypocritical, and weird, but as long as your taking my advise and leaving, I'm happy.

  14. MtlHabs09 says:

    The Leafs have played 8 of their first 10 at home…… 10 games at this point means that most teams have at least 2 games in hand… Even if they beat Pittsburgh they'd still virtually be in 8th because of the amount of wins and games remaining. They'd be one point ahead of four other teams, Pittsbugh, Boston, New York (Islanders) and Montreal. All 4 of those teams have played 8 games while the Leafs have played ten.
    The only chance of seeing the Leafs in 4th after the weekend is if Pittsbugh, Boston, New York, and Montreal all lose both games they play… NOT gonna happen. In fact, with Pittsburgh playing Montreal then one team will get two points and will knock the Leafs down, so it's actually IMPOSSIBLE for the Leafs to come out anywhere above 5th, and that would require a miracle…
    Also, note that there are 3 more teams who are a point behind Toronto; Tampa Bay, Washington and Florida and all of these teams have at least 1 game in hand… And the DEVILS are two points behind with two games in hand. So don't sugar coat a thing for the Leafs, they could very easily end up in 12th by the end of the weekend…

  15. MtlHabs09 says:

    The Leafs have played 8 of their first 10 at home…… 10 games at this point means that most teams have at least 2 games in hand… Even if they beat Pittsburgh they’d still virtually be in 8th because of the amount of wins and games remaining. They’d be one point ahead of four other teams, Pittsbugh, Boston, New York (Islanders) and Montreal. All 4 of those teams have played 8 games while the Leafs have played ten.
    The only chance of seeing the Leafs in 4th after the weekend is if Pittsbugh, Boston, New York, and Montreal all lose both games they play… NOT gonna happen. In fact, with Pittsburgh playing Montreal then one team will get two points and will knock the Leafs down, so it’s actually IMPOSSIBLE for the Leafs to come out anywhere above 5th, and that would require a miracle…
    Also, note that there are 3 more teams who are a point behind Toronto; Tampa Bay, Washington and Florida and all of these teams have at least 1 game in hand… And the DEVILS are two points behind with two games in hand. So don’t sugar coat a thing for the Leafs, they could very easily end up in 12th by the end of the weekend…

  16. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    sorry, but who is this in response too??? and who cares where the leafs are after the weekend???

  17. RealisticLeaf says:

    Sorry Blue and White but I don't agree.

    this person has it right. Kubina, McCabe and Gill(at the least as he does well on the PK) need to go and bring in some youth. Harrison would look much better out there and is a better defensive player then Kubina.

    Kubina to me is who is killing the Leafs for the most part. His on ice brain farts and poor defensive zone coverage is awful at best. I have really watched him this season and he is on the ice for the majority of the goals scored against. I would hate to see his plus minus. In the last 4 games he was on the ice more then any other Leaf for the majority of goals against.

    You are partialy right as the names you have mentioned are playing awful they are not on the ice when the Sabers, Tharashers, Canes were killing us.
    How much farther back do the forwords have to come. Sundin looks to me that he is playing defence on most nights. Sundin and a few othwers have seen more of their own goal crease then Kubina.

    I say bench Kubina(or at the very least watch him just to see him play d) and you will see how poor he is.

    I watched sports center the other night after the game and for three goals Kubina was facing the net. There is three goals there…take em out and it is a solid win. No Kubina looking at his own goal wondering how the puck got in.

    It is silly to think that goals won't happen unless you put a brick wall in the net. But getting better defensive D men would certainly be a start.

    Take kubina out and put a big physical D man like Harrison in. Bet it would do wonders.

  18. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    you honestly believe harrison would be better defensively than Kubina!!!

    Kubina hasn't had a good start, but if you think Kronwall, harrison, stralman can do much better, you're overestimating those players.

  19. leafsreek says:

    Despite all of my childish comments, I do respect you Leaf fans-if only Sens fans had such loyalty to their team.  I really don't think that JFJ should be involved in any trade that involves a player like Mats, I just don't think that he has the talent to pull off a deal that would benefit the Leafs.  Bring in a real GM and then look at making a deal.  Someone has to make the decision to blow this thing up and start over.
    Those are my thoughts-bash away!

  20. RealisticLeaf says:

    I have been saying this for years that peddie is the problem. Glad I am not the only one who sees this.

    Peddie knows business…he knows nothing of how to run sports. Painfully obvious now!! Both Raptors and Leafs went south with his decisions on personel. Funny when the Raps get someone in there that knows what to do and they go from worst to first.

    You are right if Peddie gets his sticky fingers off the team that JFJ will go too. Only reason JFJ still has a job is Peddie. Tanenbaum wanted him out this season. Peddie saved him. Was in all the papers.

    But that brings me to Maurice. He is a good coach with the wrong pieces on the blueline. Maurice can only tell the clowns on the blueline what to do…but when you get a dummy like kubina how can you stress to this guy to keep with his man and position? The guy does not get it. But the harsh reality is that if JFJ goes so does Maurice.

    I do feel a change in power is comin if the Leafs continue this play over this road trip. It is overdue for the GM.

  21. RealisticLeaf says:

    He will if this BS continues. Imagine being there and living with this?LOL

  22. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    those thoughts are valid. if you're capable of intelligent thought, why do you preceed it with all the other crap?

  23. buds8 says:

    agreed……they only wish their teams had as many loyal fans!

    GLG!

  24. RealisticLeaf says:

    A bag of pucks at this point is better then Kubina. He is lost and confused out there.

    yes anyone of who you mentioned would be better then him.

    Please I beg you to watch kubina….he is lost.

    i know what your saying though but watching kubina has become painful.

    I think his pricetag makes it this painful. I am sure you know what i mean by that.

  25. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    of course he's way overpaid, but the options are overpaid kubina, or slow harrison that everyone blows by. At least Kubina will pot a few.

  26. MtlHabs09 says:

    its a reply to jarcpitre

  27. senators101 says:

    Luke Richardson, fine, i dunno wtf he was thinking.
    Deano Mac: he was a horse for us last year, good penalty killer, good energy line player.  For his money, I'd take him over half of your players any day.
    Randy Robitaille – Pure depth player when McAmmond comes back.
    Shean donovan – Penalty Killing specialist.  Saved us 1.5 million dollars this season, 2.5 million next season, which allows us to sign Spezza and Heatley.  NOT A BAD IDEA AFTER ALL.

    You can say whatever you want about those signings, there's a purpose for everyone (exception of Richardson) on this team.  You bring up players who play on our 4th line and penalty kill and are good for these situatoins. 

    While we finish in the top ten in penalty killing again this year, you can cling on to your hopes of a playoff birth and question your teams PK at the end of the year wondering why you're 27th in that department. [cough]

  28. KingCanada says:

    I in no way endorse a trade of Sundin YET but if they were to trade him i would want to possibly see these kind of trades:

    To Anaheim: Mats Sundin, Hal Gill, 3rd round pick
    To Toronto: Bobby Ryan, Mark Mitera

    To San Jose: Mats Sundin, 5th round pick
    To Toronto: Ryan Clowe, Devin Setoguchi

    To Vancouver: Mats Sundin
    To Toronto: Luc Bourdon, Micheal Grabner, 1st round pick

    To Detroit(NHL Sweden): 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, Jakub Kindl, Justin Abdelkader

    Regardless of all this Vancouver, Detroit and Anaheim need to shed at least 2 million each if its a deadline trade so im favoring the San Jose trade proposal.

  29. I-BE-LEAF says:

    Fair enough. I wasn't actually trying to start a war with Senator fans.  I was just pointing out that the Sens have picked up some older players recently to try and make a point.  Older usually means roll-players not always washed up.  Again, pardon.

  30. KingCanada says:

    the last trade i meant…

    To Detroit(NHL Sweden): Mats Sundin
    To Toronto: 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, Jakub Kindl, Justin Abdelkader

  31. Shorts_Pimp says:

        In reality, the Leafs will wait until the trade deadline, at which time they will evaluate the situation and decide whether they are buyers or sellers at that moment. Sundin will NOT be moved prior to the deadline, and, in all likelihood, because of his one year contract, if he does get moved, he will either retire or return to Toronto the following year. His likely destination is Detroit, although there will likely be a number of suitors. In a position of that nature, only positives could result; get players or high-end picks in return for a player who will likely retire or return at the conclusion of the season (in the case that the Leafs will likely not make the playoffs); and Mats Sundin gets an opportunity to achieve his goal of winning the Stanley Cup. In essence, this would be similar in nature to what happened with Mark Recchi and Keith Tkatchuk, although Tkatchuk did not win a Stanley Cup.

  32. eron says:

    How about $5M saved in salary so the Leafs can replace him with UFA Danny Markov?

  33. Hoondog2 says:

    Sundin has earned the right to do what he wants. If he wants to go to a contender than trade him, if he wants to stay he stays.

  34. senators101 says:

    San Jose won't do it.  They got Thornton and Marleau at centre already.  There's no point in having 3 wicked centres.  Clowe is a big strong winger that wont be moved for a centre.

  35. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    great idea?? the question is how?

  36. goldman says:

    HTR should rename this site to Leafs Trade Rumors.

    Breaking news Leafs sign everyone in the NHL all other 29 teams call it quits! Leafs finally win the cup by default.

  37. goldman says:

    Not if he lives in a zoo.

  38. ryrad8 says:

    To Dallas: Sundin, 2 round dp

    To TM : Morrow, jokinen,

    Don't think this would happen, but stranger things have happened

  39. MR40 says:

    The Vancouver trade isn't really fair for Vancouver.

    Bourdon might not have frnachise player potential (like people thought), but he could become a very good defensemen. He really really reminds me of Ed Jovanovski. Injury Prone, Good offensive skill, not bad defensively, and can absolutly hammer anything that move's.

    Grabner is a good has big potential. Lightning speed, a wicked shot, and amazing hand's. He could be a 40 goal scorer in the NHL. A VERY one dimensional 40 goal scorer, but still a 40 goal scorer. He's not physical, and is terrible defensively, atleast his defense will get better.

    And a 1st rounder could be anything.

  40. MR40 says:

    To Toronto: 1st rounder, Daniel Rahimi, Pat White
    To Vancouver: Mats Sundin

  41. teresa04 says:

    sundin to the sens for redden so the the leafs have another bad defencse man

  42. turdfergusson says:

       Aye.

       Either trade him or let him retire a Leaf. What I mean by this is that when he's done don't just cast him aside like garbage like hey have every other player who gave their soul to this souless organization. The Leafs can do the 'right thing' if they try, whether they trade or keep him.

  43. turdfergusson says:

     Take a look at what you just posted . Geezus , Leaf fans…There is not one player the Leafs have that is worth Morrow. Maybe Kaberle. Maybe.

  44. turdfergusson says:

      This is the kinda deal that can be made for Sundin. 

  45. senators101 says:

    wtf kinda shit is that? Morrow and Shootout Superstar for 1 year of Sundin? Why don't you just add Boucher and Turco from Dallas, and add Kris Newbury from Toronto.  Maybe then you'll get enough out of Sundin and a 2nd rounder.

  46. I-BE-LEAF says:

    Wow, another Leaf basher with no facts because their head's so far up their _ _ _! Go figure…

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  47. I-BE-LEAF says:

    Amen, Hoondog2.  Amen!

  48. I-BE-LEAF says:

    Hokey doodle!!! A post with common sense! Very refreshing. Thanks, thehockeyguy. Well said.

  49. I-BE-LEAF says:

    Okay.  Kubina could play better but let's take a look at his stats through his first 11 games, shall we:

    7 assists, +5, 14 PIMs, averaging 23:46 min/game

    Wow… he's leading the defense in points, second in +/- to Gill, and is leading the team in minutes played.  Looks terrible to me too.  Wake up, people.  Yes, I understand he's making 5 mil/year but he's a horse who is neither terrible playing offense or defense.  Give the team time to come together.  Put down the pitchforks and wave a Leaf flag instead.

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