Sick and Tired of being Sick and Tired

Normally, during the course of any given season, I occasionally write articles like this because it gives me a chance to observe the goings on of the NHL and offer my views on trade rumors, most of which usually involve the star player of the moment headed to the Toronto Maple Leafs for a pile of dirty jockstraps and an autographed Anders Eriksson sock. Apparently, I can’t do that this year. All I can do is drum up more of the idiocy regarding the lack of the greatest sport on earth – trust me, there’s a lot of it.

“SILENT” BOB? ESCHE: BETTMAN A “MADMAN” – Philadelphia Daily News

Flyers’ goaltender Robert Esche, who nabbed the “Silent Bob” moniker this past spring when declining to talk to the press during the playoffs, sounded off about the job he thinks Gary Bettman is doing in his capacity as NHL commissioner. Esche stated that the players association is “talking to a madman…a guy who has no rhyme or reason. Personally, I don’t even think he’s a fan of the game. I think that there are a lot of great owners out there, but there is a madman leading them down the wrong path, and unfortunately, we have no control over what is going on right now.” Predictably, Bob Goodenow pseudo-distanced himself from the player, saying that “characterizations can become overstated.”

My take: Boy, somebody’s finger must have broken through the paper this morning. This caught me by surprise. The usually reserved Esche is not the type of player you hear this kind of thing from. His assertion that the players have “no control” is endemic of the problem at hand. The players desperately want to retain the control they’ve had over the past decade. The animals want to run the zoo. As for Bettman, I stand by my belief that he’s just doing his job. If it weren’t Bettman, it would be someone else being referred to as “mad.” Besides, if there are “a lot of great owners out there,” why isn’t there a solution to this problem? I think that Esche must have had dinner at the Chelios household. Speaking of Chelios…

CHELIOS: GRETZ FOR COMMISH – www.tsn.ca

Not one to mince words when it comes to Gary Bettman, Detroit Red Wings defenseman Chris Chelios called for the immediate ouster of the NHL commissioner. While not a great shock, when asked who would be good for the job, He Who Hates Furniture nominated Hall of Fame player and current managing partner of the Phoenix Coyotes, Wayne Gretzky: “He’s the one guy that everybody should listen to. He’s been the best ambassador for any sport and I think the guys should listen to him. I hope (Bettman) is getting together with Wayne one-on-one and talking to Wayne. Everyone respects what Wayne says. I think he’s got a great business sense, and, I think, because of his experience, his history with hockey, he outweighs Gary Bettman or Bob Goodenow by a long shot.” In response, the Coyotes released a statement saying that Gretzky is “a big supporter of Gary Bettman and thinks Gary is doing a great job.”

My take: I would hate to play word association with Chelios. When he hears a word like “pencil,” his response would probably be “Thursday, asparagus, formica.” Admittedly, I’ve never been a Chelios fan, but the guy is bordering on insane. I almost want Gretzky to become commissioner just so Chelios can choke to death on crow. I can see it now:

“Hey, Wayne! Great, you finally got the job. Let’s get back to playing some hockey.”

“Sure, Chris. Just as soon as you put on this nifty salary cap. Me and the other owners had it made especially for you.”

BROOKS: PLAYERS ARE RIGHT, GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT – New York Post

In yet another thinly-veiled attempt to win favor amongst the NHL players for the sole purpose of furthering his own career, Larry Brooks again lashed out at the commissioner, owners, and even the Canadian media for perpetuating the “big business operating with all the arrogance of the powerful and wealthy.” This past Sunday’s article

tries to paint the players as being “held hostage” by a “greedy cartel” of “industrialists and monopolists” who care about nothing more than “a money grab of staggering proportions.” Brooks tries to break down the Levitt report (which he calls a “smokescreen”) as “one theoretical amalgamation” of “thirty individual enterprises.” He goes on to say that the NHLPA’s “cause is a righteous one,” painting them as “good” against the “evil” owners.

My take: Brooksie must have spent some extra time thumbing though his thesaurus Saturday night. As usual, he lost me with his opening statement: “This is the time for an association of skilled professionals to become a union of trade laborers…” In trying to sound like Karl Marx, Larry sounds more like Harpo Marx. Brooks cheaply attempts to make the players out to be the victims, equating them with the everyday working man fighting against big business. This strategy would have worked if his subject matter had been electricians or pipefitters or plumbers. Sorry, Larry. When the “average working man” is pulling down seven figures, they don’t get any sympathy.

PICKING SCABS: RAY, OTHERS WOULD “CROSS THE LINE” – www.tsn.ca

When the subject of playing again in the NHL as a possible replacement player, former tough guy Rob Ray said that he would indeed “cross the line” and get back to the game. Ray also stated that he knows “about 10 guys who would be ahead of me and these guys are 10 current NHL players.” Ray went on to say that he does not support a salary cap-based CBA, and that upper-tier players are the ones who will benefit from the re-negotiation, not role players. “I went through this whole thing in 1994 when I was making $300,000 US. They got a deal done and I thought I was going to cash in big time. Well, I went from making $300,000 to $350,000. Big deal. Really, it’s the role players on the team who are going to get screwed in all of this. Guys like Daniel Alfredsson and Zdeno Chara are going to get their money. Players like Chris Neil and Shaun Van Allen are going to get (bleeped). They don’t stand to gain anything from this.”

My take: It’s only Rob Ray, but he does bring up good points. There are many that believe that Bob Goodenow is only acting on the behalf of players who make gobs of money, while younger, cheaper, role players get harshly chastised for speaking their minds. As for being a replacement, does anybody want to pay current NHL ticket prices to see a washed up Rob Ray? Didn’t think so.

NFL PLAYERS: CAP AIN’T SO BAD – www.espn.com

While fending off cost certainty in September, NHLPA director Bob Goodenow made a claim that the National Football League players do not like their current CBA and the salary cap associated with it: “I can tell you this, we have not spoken to any NFL players that endorse their system.” Apparently, Goodenow and his people listen very selectively. When asked about the subject, members of the Miami Dolphins expressed their satisfaction with the current landscape in the NFL. Defensive end Tim Bowens said: “All teams, when you line up every Sunday, the amount of talent on each team is about equal and you know as a football player that anybody can win. In training camp, you know anybody can win the Super Bowl. To me and I think to the fans, it’s important to know that each team has a chance to be competitive. The salary cap allows that to happen.” Said cornerback Sam Madison: “The salary cap’s been a good move – it keeps things from getting out of control like hockey. It hinders some players and it helps others, but the good thing is it’s helped the game.” Fullback Rob Konrad, who uses his business degree from Syracuse to manage the accounts of some NHL players, says that “After studying it the last couple years, I think [the salary cap’s] a good system and I like what we’ve done. So I think the cap is fair as long as it’s regulated and as long as it’s moved percentagewise with the revenues that are coming in.”

My take: Of course these responses are refuted by Ted Saskin and Goodenow, because they don’t mix well with their brand of Kool Aid. The fact remains that major sports leagues that have salary caps are alive and well, while hockey’s players refuse to see the possibility that it might be the best thing for them.

That’s it for now, can’t say when the next edition will be. Release the hounds!


45 Responses to Sick and Tired of being Sick and Tired

  1. wayne2 says:

    To be frank,i`m up to the point where i dont give a

    sh..t about the NHL and actually wish it went bankrupt so that it could start all over with decent

    salaries and better enforcement of discipline and rules.Something like no hooking at all,salary cap at

    around 25-30 millions,a player salary cap of around

    3-4 millions and dare i say no fighting(never thought i`d say this but it got boring and is useless)

    plus forces teams to hire less skilled players,and

    make the league around 4 divisions of 6 teams for

    better hockey.

  2. Aetherial says:

    First of all, thank you for an enjoyable read!

    A few comments…

    If Larry Brooks is on your side, it is time to change sides. All we need now is for Al Strachan and Bruce Garrioch (Toronto and Ottawa respectively) to back the players. Surely, the players, even in their IQ-challenged, opiated state would give in if they saw these clowns on their side.

    Chris Chelios has taken one too many pucks to the noggin. I like players who will speak out, either in support or disagreement with the NHLPA as long as they say something reasonably intelligent. Idiots like Pronger, McCabe, Chelios and Belfour have all managed to make me hate the players just a little bit more.

    I think my favorite comment was from the NHLPA about how they want a system more like Baseball.

    Hahahahaha… what are these guys smoking. First, anyone who thinks that a salary discrepancy of 150 million between top and bottom is *good* for baseball is on crack. Second, when the revenues of the NHL are even in the same ballpark (no pun intended) as baseball… then perhaps we can talk.

  3. hockeyhead says:

    i watched a classic bruins game last from 91. vs quebec with sakic and sundin…bruins had 73 shots to 26. ron tugnutt with small pads made 70 saves.

    wide open hockey in the small garden. the nhl sucks now. if it does not go back to the way it was i could care less at this point.

    really what are we waiting for.? soccer on ice.

  4. 19Yzerman says:

    Esche? You have to watch out for those quiet ones because when they do speak up they have a lot to say since they keep it in for so long.

    Chelios? I thought he liked furniture and thats why he paid for all the cheap chairs and table that were made of particle board that JR and Tkichuk trashed at Nagano.

    Goodenow should have asked NFL players if they would prefer to play in a league whose contracts are guaranteed and players are not simply cut because the team has found knifes that cut better or tires that handle better.

    In training camp, you know anybody can win the Super Bowl.???????

    YEA RIGHT!!! This is the most outrageous insinuation perpetrated on sports fans. The only thing worse then people saying this crap is that others believe it.

    Brooks tries to break down the Levitt report (which he calls a “smokescreen”)????????????

    Well I suppose none of this matters since the owners have offered the NHLPA to do its own AUDIT and the NHLPA has opted to not look and have paid no regards to the finance books of the various team. Are the in denial?? Maybe. Is the NHL’s teams books of finance fudged??MAYBE. All I know is I have spent a lot of Money on NHL hockey as a fan which always has the NHL logo plastered all over everything along with the teams logo and they claim to be losing money.

    NHL the only franchise that continues to maintain locations that lose money and want those that make money to support them. If a franchise location is losing money then SHUT IT DOWN.

  5. 19Yzerman says:

    So are you saying that NHL has to play 160 game seasons and make the arenas as large as baseball stadiums for them to be able to discuss a salary system like in MLB???

  6. Beckfan5 says:

    And they need to take away the instigator rule as well!

  7. habsoverserver says:

    i would not call 73 shots ‘classic hockey’ but i’d definately rather pay to watch that than what there is today. my tickets at MSG are about $75 a game (not that i go so often anymore). Some nights I am paying $5 per shot on goal to watch the Rangers. These days you can go 10 minutes without a scoring chance.

    I’m waiting for some team to put out one skill line and three goon lines. Anyone clog up the neutral zone and the goons come out and beat the crap out of the opposing team and their coach. Time to hoist a banner at MSG that reads “The home team reseverves the right to beat the snot out of anyone who dares to play the trap against us. We are here to entertain not to lull the fans to sleep.”

  8. cgolding says:

    Few Things…

    The NFL argument drives me insane:

    How ANYONE in hockey is ripping on the NFL salary cap is an utter joke. The only complaint that any player can make about the NFL system is the non-guaranteed contracts, which frankly, suck for players. However, I’ve heard no one discuss this as an aspect of the new NHL CBA so that shouldn’t even be an issue.

    The competitive balance, which is a MAJOR plus for the health of a league, is insane in the NFL. Teams go from 4-12 to being competitive with ease(note the Chargers and Giants this year, Carolina last, etc…). That is great for the players… AND the fans! I’m a Flyers fan, obviously, but I will freely admit that I get many benefits from the system that we’ve been operating under… but it is awful for fans in Edmonton and other such locations. If you are good at managing a team, you should be capable of winning, not be forced to watch your players leave cuz someone else can easily give them more money than you…

    My favorite argument against the NFL salary cap style was from Linden who argued that it is bad for the fans because players move around a lot. MOST of that is the guaranteed contract issue, but disregarding that, is he saying that players don’t move around a lot in the NHL? right…

    All this being said, it’s idiotic that the owners won’t at least discuss a luxury tax… if you make the thing harsh enough, it’s a salary cap in all but name…

    The Audit…

    The NHLPA guys aren’t idiots. I’m convinced they know the league is in trouble with the current salary situation, but they also know the same thing that the owners know. It’s the owner’s fault. Problem is, the NHLPA doesn’t give a crap about competitive balance, which is really at the heart of the NHL’s stance. The owners don’t trust the other owners with money to keep salaries reasonable and allow for balance.

  9. Beckfan5 says:

    And this is where expansion comes to play.

  10. hockeyhead says:

    on nesn they show old bruins games that have some meaning. 73 shots in a 3-3 tie was one of the most ever by them. 80 something is the record. tugnutt was unreal/.

    the funny thing is that the announcers were saying that the bruins were mad that it was not a hitting game but wide open.

    now every game is ALL physical….mostly grabbing.

    in two weeks they are showing the game neely gets 50 goals in the 44th game.

  11. 19Yzerman says:

    How about cutting a player? NFL players not only have keep in mind that contract are not guaranteed they know they can be cut also.

    Using the NFL system as an analogy for a NHL system has a couple of X factors. 1 is that an NFL season is only 17 weeks plus post season the supply and demand ratio of an NFL season creates a stimulated market and doesn’t give a whole lot of time for money losing mistakes to happen within. 2 is that the NFL has all that advertising income made during the superbowl which no other sport can come close to matching.

    A Luxury Tax says “You may spend as much as you like as long as you share”

    How much has a luxury tax and Stienbrenners MONEY helped MLB?

  12. habsoverserver says:

    if they ever show the game seven semi finals from 79 or the game four finals w/ the Orr overtime goal from 70, pls let me know. I’d love to get a copy of either game.

  13. habsoverserver says:

    NHL has buyouts at 1/2-2/3 or salary, unlike MLB which requires you to pay full salary if you cut someone. NFL makes up for this with giant signing bonuses.

    Another difference between NHL and NFL is that NFL careers and contracts much shorter than NHL.

    If NHLPA wanted to make a fair deal say max contract length for free agents (UFA and RFA) would be three years. That way the high priced mistakes would go away much more quickly. The Jagr, Holik or Yashin type mistakes would go away faster.

  14. Flyers_Fan_In_LA says:

    With careful attention being paid to not colluding (the NHLPA would proably sue over it anywway) NHL teams could have played this year under the old system but NOT signed big ticket players. Teams could learn to say NO. If smaller market teams couldn’t hack it then THERE is your contraction. Don’t buy an NHL team if you don’t have the pockets to run one right?

    In 2 years salaries would be down to more managable rates and there would be fewer teams. Take some effort to fix the game like making the ice surface bigger and you really woudl have something.

  15. Aetherial says:

    Are you suggesting that the MLB system is better for the sport than the NFL system????

    THAT, I would really like to hear.

  16. Aetherial says:

    >>In training camp, you know anybody can win the Super Bowl.???????

    YEA RIGHT!!! This is the most outrageous insinuation perpetrated on sports fans. The only thing worse then people saying this crap is that others believe it.

    Look at the Superbowl winners for the last 10 years. look at their records before and after they won.

    It isn’t Yankees/Red Sox and Atlanta/??? every year in the NFL. the NHL is headed exactly in the direction of MLB… except they don’t have the grassroots support that MLB has in the U.S. This will kill the league.

    The only thing I have heard you say that I agree with is that some teams should fold. That is not mutually exclusive with the idea that there needs to be some tie between revenue and salary.

  17. Aetherial says:

    Can someone answer this for me, as I am not an expert…

    What if the league got together, right up front and all the owners agreed on some revenue sharing AND a budget they would all stick to… sort of like a charter on how teams operate.

    There would be no rules on who they could sign for what money. They would just all decide on a budget.

    They would not be secretly conspiring to not sign free agents… they would just be sticking to a business model for the team and the league. If the free agents did not want to play for the money that a team had available… Oh well.

    The CBA in this case is pretty simple. There is no need to legalize *anything*.

    The agreement is among the owners.

    I am assuming this is still collusion?

  18. 19Yzerman says:

    No!!!

    You said” when the revenues of the NHL are even in the same ballpark (no pun intended) as baseball… then perhaps we can talk.”

    So I was reflecting on the fact that 160 game seasons and bigger stadiums leads more revevue.

    NFL has the revenues of the Cash cow superbowl.

    So how the other leagues fare within their systems cannot be farely calculated in respect to using these systems in the NHL.

  19. 19Yzerman says:

    I could only check back as far as 2001. I see what your saying here is that CAR 7-9 ,NE 5-11,bal 6-10 nyg7-9 all made it to the superbowl the next season after posting those respective records.

    teams that finish with records like 0-16, 1-15, 2-14, 3-13, 4-12 have no chance of a superbowl the following season and most of the time are rebuilding. Its these teams that I think of when soneone says any team can win the superbowl any season.

  20. Beckfan5 says:

    You have to take into consideration that in the NFL, when a team does that bad, Car 7-9, NYG 7-9, they wont play the best teams in the league the next season. If you look at the Giant schedule for example, the year they went to the Super Bowl, the teams they played werent that good with the exeption of their own division. Then look at their schedule the following season. All the teams they played were competitive the previous season.

    Capeche?

  21. cgolding says:

    the cutting issue is where the guaranteed contract issue becomes an issue… if you have a guaranteed contract, you aren’t going to get cut unless you have truly fallen off the deep-end. honestly, i prefer guaranteed contracts because it keeps teams from having the ability to make a major mistake with small punitive damage to the management.

    if you sign a guy and he sux, that should be the team’s problem.

    NFL v. NHL.

    NFL season is truly year round, which the NHL isn’t. Those guys have full-time deals going July through December/January… then mini-camps etc… the number of games is a non-issue really. The game is more popular, it isn’t an issue of they play less games, thus more people watch it and make more money. That is why individual game ratings are so high, but the popularity creates the money regardless of the number of games.

    How much money the NFL makes v. the NHL is irrelevant. You simply set different levels compared to what the NFL does, so the cap/tax/whatever is a percentage of that, which is in line with the NHL’s revenue. A system is a system, you simply change the variables to your own situation.

    Baseball.

    Baseball doesn’t have a luxury tax, it’s a Yankee tax. And NYC creates more than enough revenue for the Yanks to blow through the luxury tax, and that is completely the owners fault for not having the balls to stand up to him.

    The side issue of Steinny’s money is that their are MANY owners in MLB that don’t use the money that comes from revenue sharing on their teams, they simply pocket it. That is why a minimum salary should be a mandatory aspect of any revenue sharing that occurs. Owners should be forced to re-invest the money that they get from other teams, not line their accounts.

    In the end if you want assured competitive balance, you have to go with a cap, or a tax so harsh that it acts like a cap. if teams have to pay dollar to dollar their entire salary if they start going over a tax line, then they aren’t going to go over by much.

    Even the rich teams aren’t making that much cash off of hockey, so if you start making them throw down a lot more cash, they will stop… these are businesses after all.

    time to do laundry.

  22. cgolding says:

    I’m not sure of the legality of doing that, the players would definitely argue collusion obviously. The reason it won’t happen is much simpler, the owners don’t trust each other to stick to a system such as that. Therefore, you aren’t going to see it happen. This lockout is more about the lesser’s attempting to control those with cash…

  23. CommonSense says:

    Ok, I have read enough, and I can’t takes it anymore!!!!

    Does no one here understand how the NFL salary cap works??? No, they do not have guarateed contracts, BUT they all get gi-normous signing bonuses at the beginning of the contract that ARE guaranteed!!! So they make (essentially) all of their money the second they sign the dotted line. And in a lot of cases, they get ALL of the money up front!!! Oh yeah, AND every year that they play, they get a salary too. So don’t throw that “They can get cut at any time” crap at me, because it’s complete and utter garbage as they have already been paid millions!!!!!

    The NHL IS in trouble. If you want to contract any team with financial trouble 19Yzerman, then you are looking at contracting every Canadian team minus the Leafs and maybe Vancouver. That would be GREAT for the game, wouldn’t it?? Anyone who thinks the players are the victims is insane. Anyone who thinks the owners are the victims is insane. The only victims are the FANS. Screw the owners. Screw the players. They need blow the whole goddamned thing up and start over. But if not…..

    Here is (in part) what I propose:

    1. Fire Bettman AND Goodenow. They are in a pissing contest now, and they could care less what happens to the game of hockey. They are lawyers that represent millionaires and are therefore, (by nature) slime. We need fresh faces in here who have the NHL’s best interests in mind, and that is the NHL as a whole, not just the guys in the top 10-20% of salaries. We need people who care about hockey, about the religion of hockey, to run this show. Guys that would say, “Hey, this is going to take some of the spare change out of our pockets, but we have tons of money already, and we are going to continue to make money, maybe just marginally less. Plus, this is going to be really good for the long term future of hockey. So let’s do it.” They do not realize that these are negotiations, not a really big stick-up job. Is that Gretzky? Lemieux? I don’t know. All I know is that Bettman and Goodenow are jackasses who couldn’t negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag together. They are two big reasons that this thing is in utter disrepair. I hope they get large genital warts.

    2. Screw the marginal hockey fan. If your not sure if you like hockey, feel free to watch, but we are not going market to these people. Do not make over the game by trying to eliminate fighting and violence. And making it an ice capades show for the kiddies and women is horrible. My dad took me to see the Blues and Balckhawks beat the shit out of each other for 2.5 hours and I turned out just fine. I’ve never even been to jail!!!…..Plus, the crackdown on fighting is bad for another reason – people get hit in the head with sticks and sent to the hospital. There is no other outlet to relieve the frustration of a degenerate like Tyson Nash (who has no skills at all as a hockey player) slashing, holding, elbowing and talking shit all game. Then you challenge him like a man, and he hikes up his skirt and runs away. Okay, that may have been a little facetious, but it has a degree of truth to it. Pests should be eliminated, or they should at least get their just rewards. In addition, we need smaller goalie pads, less interference, and more action…no, screw that. I will just come out and say it, more violence. If some guy is taking liberties with his stick or elbows, he should have to pay the piper (Kirk Maltby??). Banish the instigator rule. Hell, I am one Broad Street Bullies Greatest Fights viewing away from endorsing the lifting of the ban on bench clearing brawls. If guys are punching each other they are far less likely to slash each other’s faces, knees, and throats, or to send each other head first into the boards. And like it or not, fist fighting is far less dangerous than those other activites. It is this eurotrash BS that has been becoming more and more prevalent in today’s NHL, and it pisses me off. Down with the pest, bring back the enforcer!!!!

    3. If a team is going to move, they should be REQUIRED to check the viability of Canadian markets such as Quebec, Winnepeg, Hamilton and more before moving somewhere that will only entertain old folks and washed up movie stars. No more teams in the “Sunbelt”. No more teams in California. Teams in Canada. THEY will watch. THEY will come out and see the games. THEY will not sit in their corporate seats and sip martinis. They will be FANS!!!!

    4. Guess what, they need a salary cap!! There is not enough money to pay these guys $10 mil per year. The two most successful pro leagues, the NBA and NFL, both have caps. And guess what else, no one in either league is going hungry!!!! The stars still make sh*t-tons of money, the bench players make no less than 5 times what the median US hosehold makes. Yeah, I think it is fair to say that they are doing okay. And, get ready to be blown away, the salary cap is not an arbitrary number either!!! It is also not a punishment from the “big bad owners”. It is a number that is derived from several factors, including how much money the league made the previous year, and how much they expect to make that upcoming year!!! Holy accounting Batman!! That sounds logical, and obviously has no place in discussions by Bettman and Goodenow, as they are crooks – and evil incarnate. Plus the teams in the successful leagues evenly split up all TV revenue, as there is no “local” packages (kind of in the NBA). But this could easily be applied to the NHL. Just split up all TV revenue evenly – locally AND nationally. Did I strike a nerve NY? Tough shit, it is for the good of the NHL. However, ticket revenue should be left to each team, but I am not opposed to sharing that, if it helps the NHL succeed. This is not a rant by a small market fan. While St. Louis is a smaller market, our owner is a billionaire and his spending habits are as ill-advised as anyones……

    Okay…I think that is enough insane ranting for today…..

  24. Beckfan5 says:

    Quick comment. Its funny how the t.v. networks wouldnt put hockey on full time because of “violence” and “fighting” but theyll show the violence and fighting over in Iraq. Bombs and misslies and guns being shot, but OH NO we cant show a 30 second fist fight!

  25. defenestrate says:

    You know what they say whenever they find out someone’s a “mass murderer” or a “serial killer” –

    “He was such a nice, quiet amn…I can’t believe it!”

    Perhaps Esche could take a job at the post office while the lockout’s going on….and on…

  26. defenestrate says:

    You know what they say whenever they find out someone’s a “mass murderer” or a “serial killer” –

    “He was such a nice, quiet man…I can’t believe it!”

    Perhaps Esche could take a job at the post office while the lockout’s going on….and on…

  27. Aetherial says:

    Then how do you respond to the NHLPA wanting a system like MLB…

    Do you think the two can be compared?

    no.

  28. Aetherial says:

    true…

    but look at the rebuilding teams with horrible records. It was not that long ago that they were contenders.

    There is no question that the parity in the NFL is very good for the game.

  29. Aetherial says:

    I am not so sure that is true.

    I think that there are enough owners with deep pockets that the lessors could not control this action.

    Even teams like the Leafs who spend a TON of money, make even more, and probably have the wealthiest ownership… were speaking out in favor of cost control long before this lockout.

  30. Aetherial says:

    Sure we all like to see a fight.

    The problem is not bringing it back.

    The problem is VERY simple…

    enforce the rules.

    I don’t care is we spend 75% of every game on powerplays… eventually the teams will have to dump their lesser-skilled guys to avoid the penalty box.

    Furthermore, ban fighting. There is NO excuse. There is not fighting allowed in other sports. Don’t give me this *nature of the game* BS… The NFL is a MUCH more violent game than hockey and they, for the most part, can control themselves.

    HUGE suspensions for any dangerous play (high stick etc.)… like, minimum 10 games and for any fight.

    and a power play every single time someone uses a stick to touch another player, accept by accident.

    You would see a WAY faster game one day, a lot more skill and more scoring. With all the current rules in place… if they finally enforced them the game would be fine.

    This would take time. People would complain about the *flow* being ruined. At the end of the day, some bright coach would load his team up with speed and crush all the other teams with the powerplay…

    then the other teams would catch on…

    just like the current enforcement policies allowed all the teams to follow New Jersey with “the trap” and RUIN the game.

  31. Freeze says:

    What’s this? A goaltender exhibiting bizarre behavior!

    How odd.

  32. 19Yzerman says:

    It would be great to see the NHL and NHLPA agree on something. As far as a system such as MLB that you question. I would say that if the players want it than the owners will not and like wise which brings me back to the fact that the two cannot agree on anything.

  33. cgolding says:

    Bettman somehow managed to get the owners into an agreement where with minority support he can act as he wishes. There are more than enough lesser’s to reach whatever the number was, I think it may have been 8 owners or something. So Bettman can do whatever he wants without the big clubs being able to stop him, not that they won’t pressure him if this continues to go nowhere.

    No team is making a ton of money, it just isn’t there in hockey. The reason teams in other sports actually make money is because of TV deals, which hockey simply doesn’t have. Teams like the Flyers/Leafs are doing well with attendance, clothing, etc… but they still aren’t making gigantic profits. Thus it makes sense to get cost control so that you can make more money and remain competitive in the process.

  34. 19Yzerman says:

    The teams that post records such as 1-15/ 2-14/ 3-13/ 4-12 do start a new season with a whole new training camp and the new POSSIBLITY of a winning season capped with a superbowl victory with the ODDS being around 300 to 1. Which would be great odds for winning a lottery or the publishers clearinghouse sweepstakes. However for an NFL football teams chance to win it is as close to being the very worst odds of all teams in the league. each season brings teams a new schedule of games to play and to use words like parity requires some serious thought in regards to teams such as the eagles with great possibilities and at the opposite end of the spectrum is the lions who’s chances could not be compared to the eagles. Lions? Eagles? Parity? I bet the Eagles fans would be outraged at the thought of completely exchanging rosters. They are expecting to win a super bowl this year in Philly while in Detroit everyone is expecting to not make the playoffs. There is a definable level separation from these two teams and parity is not the word to used to describe them.

  35. cgolding says:

    Does no one here understand how the NFL salary cap works??? No, they do not have guarateed contracts, BUT they all get gi-normous signing bonuses at the beginning of the contract that ARE guaranteed!!! So they make (essentially) all of their money the second they sign the dotted line. And in a lot of cases, they get ALL of the money up front!!! Oh yeah, AND every year that they play, they get a salary too. So don’t throw that “They can get cut at any time” crap at me, because it’s complete and utter garbage as they have already been paid millions!!!!!

    how many players are on an NFL roster? 53 you say. how many of them get HUUUUGE signing bonuses, MAYBE 2 or 3? how many of those players are making a ton of cash on their yearly contract, at most 22… They make LESS on average than an NHL player you say?

    okay, so lets take out the huge signing bonus players, cuz there aren’t that many of them… and those bonuses ARE generally stretched over time some… Ricky Williams would argue against them being completely guaranteed as well.

    sooo…

    lets notice that the back-end of the roster in the NFL, 30+ guys aren’t making as much as the average NHL player, and have contracts that are completely disposable by their team, and don’t have major signing bonus cash to fall back on. they can get cut at anytime, saving the team a lot of cash… and it is VERY much an issue for the guys making 300K or whatever, not that i’m scoffing at that much cash, but you can’t exactly retire at 25 from that.

  36. 19Yzerman says:

    I read it from top to bottom I agree with most of your points.

    Bullies on the ice , enforcers what ever you may call them. They are needed when some goons are taking runs at your skilled players. There is always going to be some hacking and waking going on and its up to the players to control their emotions. to say “he should have to pay the piper (Kirk Maltby??). Banish the instigator rule.” Is like giving Peter Worell permission to beat on anyone anytime for no reason. So if a player does not throw off his gloves and Maltby is an excellent example that. Then no matter how much he is pissing you of you can’t just unload on those who do not contest you to do so. That would be McCarty’s Job.

    I agree that NHL hockey cities should not have to be spoon feed hockey and that the NHL should maintain a leve of expectancy in terms of finance for new teams in questionable markets. So owners will be required to do more then open a team and then use the team as some sort of tax shelter or money pool for other businesses that they may own.

    NBA? I have been hearing the the NBA’s CBA is coming up at the end of this season and that it looks no better then the current state of the NHL’s CBA.

  37. cgolding says:

    yeah, quiet rumblings there won’t be an NBA season.

  38. 19Yzerman says:

    Its conspiracy By the NHL and NBA to Deprive fans of any sports to watch a year from Now.

    The Grassy Knoll and the Magic Mystery Bullet.!!!!

    Watergate!!!!!

    Now this!!!!!

  39. CommonSense says:

    I agreeto a point, but then again the NFL is not on the verge of extinction…..

  40. Aetherial says:

    I am sorry but if you are seriously arguing that there is not *real* parity in the NFL, you are simply wrong.

    Of all the sports leagues there is, by FAR, the most parity there.

  41. Aetherial says:

    Yes, actually the Leafs ARE making giant profits.

    The Ontario teacher’s Pension Fund owns the majority of the Leafs and they are getting about 15% a year ROI before this year.

    Given the overall economic state the last couple years.. that is HUGE!

    I know my investments have LOST money, not returned 15% :(

  42. Aetherial says:

    YOUCH!

    I figure there won’t be hockey next year either (well I am hoping there won’t be!)… no NBA either will SUCK!

    I decided I would be come a Raptors fan, hope that the NHL disappears for a few years, the players union breaks, the NHL restarts… a bunch ofteams fold… then the league folds… and we start all over again with maybe 10 teams.

    And a salary cap.

    In the meantime, I will watch NFL football and NBA basketball :)

  43. 19Yzerman says:

    “Of all the sports leagues there is, by FAR, the most parity there” NFL?

    OH absolutley without question in regards to NBA NHL MLB!!

    Unless you count in a restrictor plate NASCAR race.

    However I stand by my above statments regarding degrees of seperation from top to bottom.A #1 draft pick knows that the up coming season he is on the least likely of all teams to enjoy a sucessfull season.

    I will allow your analogy of parity to stand since a lot of team bunch up in the middle but, to say that every team has a chance to win super bowl you must look at the odds which are not the same for every team at anypoint ever.

  44. 19Yzerman says:

    I told you to be carefull what you wish for.

    May all of the above happen except an NHL salary Cap.

    Its a conspirocy by Las Vegas to keep teams from being overwhelming favorites and cause unpredictable results of games. its all about money from the vegas odd.

  45. cgolding says:

    15% isn’t a huge amount of profits in the big scheme of the sporting world, especially when you are looking at operating costs of less than 100 million. I would bet the Flyers are getting that much easily off of everything they have going on in the area. The point is that that profit isn’t enough to make up for a harsh luxury tax or some other system that truly attacks the wealth of the teams.

    When looking at the NFL, NBA, and MLB, the money that even the teams in the positive are getting is miniscule.

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