Some Leaf Rumours

Hossa a possible target

A hot new rumour has surfaced pertaining to the Maple Leafs.

According to Don Brennan of Slam Sports, the rumour involves a possible trade between the Leafs and Thrashers.

The Leafs would send the overpaid and enigmatic Bryan McCabe to Atlanta for star forward Marian Hossa, who is slated to become an UFA in the summer.

The article does not elaborate if any more players would be involved in the trade.

My take is that McCabe alone would not be enough to land a player like Hossa. Another player would almost certainly have to be included in the deal, and no, Wade Belak or John Pohl will not cut it.

Of course, all this is assuming that the rumour is legit and that McCabe would waive his no movement clause.

The second rumour involves a possible replacement to John Ferguson Jr as Leafs GM, if JFJ were to be fired.

Steve Zipay of New York’s newsday.com reports that Mike Milbury’s name has come up as a candidate to replace Ferguson as GM.

Needless to say, this will not be sweet music to the ears of Leafs fans. Of course “Mad Mike” is well known in the hockey world as the guy who put the New York Islanders back 15 years with a series of botched trades.

Why not go after Neil Smith, Steve Yzerman, or Steve Tambellini? Here’s hoping that this rumour doesn’t come into fruition.

McCabe-Hossa rumour:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Brennan/2007/11/18/4665845-sun.html

Mike Milbury rumour:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/ny-spzip185466417nov18,0,5381007.column


46 Responses to Some Leaf Rumours

  1. jimbob says:

    Replace JFJ with the worst GM in the history of the sport?  Yashin for Spezza and Chara, Parrish and Kvasha for Jokinnen and Luongo.  enough said

  2. rcichard03 says:

    if the leafs got Hossa it would help them out a lot. we already can score alot but mats will have  another more legitimate winger. being only 28 he could be our future once mats is gone.

  3. habsrock99 says:

    I just don't see the Thrashers dealing Hossa to Toronto for some reason. No it's not because I'm a Habs fan. I also don't see McCabe waiving his NMC, I really don't. I firmly believe the Leafs are stuck with McCabe and Kubina for the remainder of their contracts (Though, I don't see why people constantly nitpick at Kubina, especially this year. He did have 11 points in 17 games and was a +11. Not once has someone said he was a flashy player)

    Also, I doubt Yzerman will even consider going to Toronto as GM, especially since he's like VP or something along those lines for Detroit and is in the midst of being groomed to be the future GM of Detroit. Also, why would you want yet another rookie GM? I could honestly see Neil Smith becoming the next TO GM when JFJ is relieved of his duties. But, I also believe he won't last very long as he does have a history of bad relationships with the people above him(IE. the Owner).

    Also, Richard Peddie already stated he plans to keep both JFJ and Maurice for the remainder of the season, so I really don't know why the media continues to tell hockey fans otherwise.

  4. Archion113 says:

    Hossa for McCabe? bahahahahahahahahaha

    There would have to be other things involved.. no way could the Atlanta GM be that dumb…

  5. AntropovGoodIToldUSo says:

    This all has to be a freakin' joke!!! SERIOUSLY!!
    No way McCabe is worth Hossa and no way Milbury should even be considered for any GM position whether NHL or beer league.

    Obviously a joke written by an Ottawa sports news reporter to inspire anger and laughter all t the same time. Brennan is a joke.

  6. Archion113 says:

    Was referring to your opinion about McCabe being all it took.

    Not referring to the next comment about the reality of it costing another player.

  7. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    The need isn't there. The Thrashers need a Brian McCabe type player, but the leafs certainly do not need hossa. and there isn't much the thrashers could offer worth trading McCabe mid season.

  8. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    One of the top 3 D on the leafs will be traded withing the next few years…and kubina is the most likely candidate…

    Yserman is like bowman…a wing for life…

    Leafs ownership is not very involved at all. Neil Smith would be a good fit in Toronto, because he'd never hear a peep from ownership or upper management (unless outsie pressure come is , ala JFJ). but thats too good to be true.

    Peddie said they are both safe…for now, however a mid season firing has never been out of the question..but unless the team dips a fair bit below 500 it wont happen…interesting that many people consider JFJ and Maurice intertwinned. they'll either both stay or both go….

  9. leafy says:

    Don't forget Todd Bertuzzi and Bryan McCabe to Vancouver for Trevor Linden.

    Guys like Taylor Pyatt, Eric Brewer, Raffi Torres, and Tim Connolly were traded way too early.

    Hey, JFJ suddenly looks pretty good by comparison, no?

  10. leafy says:

    Definitely.  Suddenly the Leafs offense would look even more potent, and this would actually help the defense by making opponents more concerned with keeping the Leaf players off the score sheet.  It's a double win.

    However, I honestly don't see this trade happening with just McCabe.  I only saw the rumour and reported it.

  11. leafy says:

    That's likely the case.  Otherwise the trade would be Dany Heatley for McCabe when you break it down.  Not good for Atlanta.

  12. leafy says:

    Possibly the Milbury rumor was done to mess with the minds of Leaf fans.

    The Hossa rumor is possible, although unlikely.  Rumors have been going around for a while that Atlanta might deal him, especially if they fall out of contention.  The part that makes it unlikely is McCabe, since he doesn't provide equal value.

    But the Joe Thornton trade last year showed that anything is possible.

  13. leafy says:

    But an argument can be made that the Leafs are trying to find a replacement to fill Sundin's shoes once he's gone.  And I think such a trade would also improve the Leafs defensively.  Specifically, an improved offense also reduces the pressure on the defense because opponents are preoccupied with keeping your skilled players off the scoresheet.

    Whether the trade rumor is legit is an entirely different matter.  Let's see how it plays out.

  14. KingCanada says:

    Assuming McCabe waives…

    To Toronto: Marian Hossa
    To Atlanta: Bryan McCabe, Nik Antropov/Alex Ponikarovsky, 1st round pick/Nik Kulemin/Jiri Tlusty

    I think that is about fair even tho Toronto is giving up alot, Atlanta is basically taking on McCabes huge contract which is a big favor.  Gotta give something to get something but i dont believe it is a good trade because i can see Hossa hitting the free agent waters at the end of the season and leaving the leafs with nothing to show for.

    Not to mention Toronto ISNT competing to go deep in the playoffs, this sort of move is pointless and i wouldnt give much merit to this rumor.

  15. AntropovGoodIToldUSo says:

    You freakin' wish kid!

    Keep Hossa!

  16. mojo19 says:

    Connolly and Pyatt were traded for Peca who captained them into the playoffs for the first time in years. Chris Osgood coming in that same year and Yashin helped that too.

    They were all bad trades but the trade for Peca I don't think was that bad, and would have looked better if it had been surrounded by good moves (ie keeping the draft pick that became Spezza and keeping Chara)

  17. leafy says:

    I think if it's McCabe and Antropov, they'd have to give us something back in return.

    But I see your point.  Atlanta will ask for so much beyond McCabe that there won't be much benefit to making the trade.

  18. leafy says:

    And if they held on to Luongo, they wouldn't need DiPietro, so they could have drafted Heatley or Gaborik.

  19. mojo19 says:

    Well the truth about Atlanta is that they have a very hard time attracting free agents, and they really don't want to rebuild because they want to sell tickets and make the playoffs and generate revenue and not lose any fans.

    That being said, I could see them trying to make a less traditional playoff rental deal. Instead of trading for picks/prospects, they might want to take a shot at a guy who will make an immediate impact. McCabe is a vocal guy and although he is a questionable defensman, he puts up points and no one can argue that.

    Sheldon Sourray isn't great defensively but Edmonton payed him huge $, obviously there is a marked for a D-man with a huge slapshot. Atlanta doesn't want to lose Hossa for nothing, and picking up a well known player like McCabe sends a message to the fans that they aren't going to rebuild, which is a good message in Atlanta where they need to ice a winning team to keep people interested.

    And just so you know I think the leafs would throw in another player too. Leafy is right about that, maybe Ponikarovski or something, he's having a really solid season.

  20. mojo19 says:

    Yeah I agree. Looking long term. – Hossa is a player who should for the next 5 seasons put up a point per game. Scoring as low as 70 pts and as high as 100-110. Guys like this aren't easy to come by.

  21. mojo19 says:

    haha, wow they could so easily be a powerhouse right now. Actually they could have easily had Luongo, Jokinen and Spezza, Heatley, Chara. If they couldn't afford to keep 'em all to this point then they could have some sleek young talent for one of those guys. Unreal how much they benefited Ottawa.

  22. mojo19 says:

    McCabe and Antropov and Tlusty…..Yikes I hate that, I really hope JFJ doesn't do that.

  23. leafy says:

    According to Spector, here's how the NY Islanders could have looked like were it not for Milbury.

    Goal: Roberto Luongo

    Defence:

    Bryan McCabe
    Wade Redden
    Zdeno Chara
    Eric Brewer

    Forwards:

    Dany Heatley
    Olli Jokinen
    JP Dumont
    Todd Bertuzzi
    Jason Spezza
    Tim Connolly
    Taylor Pyatt
    Raffi Torres
    Michael Rupp

    Source:

    http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Spector/2007/05/29/Milburys_Legacy

  24. leafy says:

    I say Tlusty has the potential to be as good as Hossa in 2-3 years.  He's that skilled.  The difference is that Tlusty might actually score in the playoffs.

  25. cartino says:

    I think the leaf's would become the laughing stock of the league for next 5 years if they get rid of JFJ and replaced him with all people Mike Milbury and especially in the Toronto market where he'll always feel the pressure to make the playoffs.

    Recap:
    Spezza+Chara for Yashin (not in league anymore)

    Bertuzzi+McCabe (when they were better players) for Trevor Linden

    Jokinnen+Luongo for Parrish+Asham

    If you want to rebuild try Pierre Gauthier, Neil Smith, or lure another upcoming exec or do anything in your power to get scotty Bowman (and go with his conditions of cleaning up the front office)

  26. Hoondog2 says:

    Please say you're joking.

  27. werdo says:

    You can't just look at talent for talent anymore – thought you people would have figured that out by now.

    Contract value and length need just as much consideration. Although Hossa is IMMENSELY more talented than McCabe, he's a UFA at season's end, while McCabe is signed through to 2011. The leafs can't add more young players to the deal if they don't know if Hossa will stick around. If these players were to be exchanged, there would have to be a future considerations clause if Hossa resigned with the Leafs.

    Unless of course, the Thrashers do the same thing to Hossa that the Sens did. LOL.

  28. 92-93 says:

    unless Atlana zips straight to #1 in the Southeast (and even IF they did that), i dont see McCabe waiving his clause to go to the Thrashers.

    Milbury? pssh. i think Neil Smith would be better, or Tambellini or Armstrong.
  29. 92-93 says:

    in other news, Rask may start against the leafs tonight …

    I just had a very bad feeling about JFJ trading Rask for Raycroft. i really thought that if he was going to trade a goalie prospect (which is understandble because we had 2), it was just so obvious that we should have kept Rask.
    but i remember everyone loving Pogge because he was a Canadian boy and there was so much more hype around him.
    dont get me wrong, i think Pogge will be stellar, but Rask IS a better netminder at this stage of the game. maybe by this time next year, we'll see a Rask vs. Pogge matchup in the Northeast?
  30. JuicemaN says:

    And that's why he said "McCabe alone would not be enough to land a player like Hossa. Another player would almost certainly have to be included in the deal, and no, Wade Belak or John Pohl will not cut it."

  31. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    but to get hossa we would likely have to trade assets that may become players like that eg 1st's, young players, wellwood….

    i say make a pitch to anahiem (who seems to be dealing away picks at an insane rate) for edmonton's 1st. offer guys like Steen and colaiacovo…

  32. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Ian White, alex Steen, John Pohl
    for

    Edmonton's 1st 2007

  33. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    correction 2008, and anaheim owns that pick

  34. leafy says:

    Kaberle is 3rd in all-star ballots among East defensemen.

    http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/278155

  35. mojo19 says:

    RASK MIGHT START TONIGHT!!!??? Oh man, it would pain me to see him play great and win tonight.

  36. mojo19 says:

    Nice keep voting for him, he deserves it.

  37. leafy says:

    Re: Jason Blake

    Think the media is putting too much focus on Jason Blake's pruduction?  I think so.

    He has 14 points, which is good for 87th in the league in scoring, not bad in this 30-team NHL.

    Blake has the amount of points as:

    Marco Sturm
    Brian Rolston
    Markus Naslund

    Blake has MORE points than the following players:

    Slava Kozlov
    Brendan Shanahan
    Ryan Smyth
    Sergei Fedorov
    Chris Drury
    Chris Higgins
    J.P. Dumont
    Jason Pominville
    Ruslan Fedotenko
    Brendan Morrison
    Mike Modano
    Miroslav Satan
    Dainius Zubrus
    Thomas Vanek
    Viktor Kozlov
    Erik Cole
    Tim Connolly
    Jay Pandolfo
    Bill Guerin
    Milan Hejduk
    Brian Gionta
    Patrik Elias
    Patrick Marleau
    Ladislav Nagy
    Andy McDonald
    Jochen Hecht
    Pavol Demitra
    Dustin Penner
    Marek Svatos
    Trent Hunter

    And those who actually watch the Leafs probably know that Blake is actually playing quite well.  He just hasn't been scoring.

  38. leafy says:

    Indeed, he has come a long way.  I still remember his very first game in October 1998, a 2-1 win over defending champions Detroit.  Everyone was saying, who the heck is this guy?

  39. KingCanada says:

    PRETTY sure it was Jokinen+Luongo for Parrish+Kvasha, definatly not Asham

  40. KingCanada says:

    Whats the logic behind this??  Plus nobody will givup a high 1st round pick in 2008, thats Tavares' year, if Edmonton wins the lottery their gold.

  41. KingCanada says:

    Yes but until he starts scoring which was the reason he was brought in the first place, the media wont quiet down.  He scored 40 last year and has only 2 so far, a sniper doesnt just turn into a playmaker overnight.  Hes getting alot of those assists from Sundin's hard work EVEN THOUGH he has been playing quite well IMO.

  42. NoCupForYou says:

    Mike Milbury as GM….That would be great

  43. cartino says:

    yep your right, I remembered it was for Parish and someother bum who didn't pan out and just guessed asham.

  44. 92-93 says:

    and so now its the morning after.

    i can say this will all the honesty i can muster: i feel WORSE today than i did when the leafs were eliminated from playoff contention in each of the last two years. i knew they didnt have a shot in those instances so it was no big whoop.
    but this,  losing Rask and watching him play so well last night – WHAT A NATURAL! everything that i read about him was true. 
    again, maybe Pogge works out amazingly well, but i think it was a mistake to trade Rask regardless – at least keep both of them.
    its the kind of trade that i think will go down as among the worst ever. i know this is hyperbole and too soon to say, but i felt it when the trade was made, and man do i feel it today … and to a Northeast division opponent too!!!
    never have i felt the need to completely rebuild than i do today. i thnk the leafs can do it in under a year – not that quickness is necessary. but i've said since the lockout that teams can rebuild faster because of the cap (and then look what happened to Phlly last year).
    so yeah, trade McCabe if you can, Kubina, Sundin, Tucker, Bell, even Antropov (while his value is still high), Poni, Blake, Gill, Raycroft, etc. 
    wont be able to trade all of them or get fair value for them because of the market and because of the NTCs, and it shouldnt be done by the current GM (obviously). but the leafs badly need to make up for the prospect-mistakes that have been made the past couple of seasons by a GM who had a scouting-background but who was put into a stupid spot by some stupid owners.
    i look at Tlusty and Wellwood and Stralman and Pogge and it becomes obvious – these players can play in the NHL now and learn the pro game now (not to mention Kulemin). Tlusty was drafted in 2006 – why go big in the next two drafts and reap the rewards by 2009-2011???
    i've always preached 'building' – but that plan went out the window when the Toskala trade was made. 
  45. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    2009 is taveras year, and burke told the media he would trade the pick to help his team…

  46. icedog28 says:

    Mike Milbury as GM well that would officially be the end of ever seeing the leafs in the Playoffs let alone a Stanley Cup. I can honestly say I would rather see Gord Stellick come back and be GM because he only made one real Bone Head trade that sticks out in my head where Wild Mike Milbury made so many I lost count. I don't know how this guys stays in Hockey Circles I know he played and everything but he must be some stupid to be around the game so long and still not have a clue. I guess the Richard Peddie would want I guy like this around because they have the same Hockey sense. I can't even stand seeing Milbury on TSN he should be gone far far far away from the NHL

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