Sourced Trade Rumours 5

Well, here’s the 5th installment of the Sourced Trade Rumours Series. Not much going on around the rumour wise but a few rumours.

From http://www.thefourthperiod.com/rumors.html

Boston Bruins: According to the Boston Globe, Bruins management have been disappointed with the production, or lack there of, from forwards Peter Schaefer and Glen Murray. The Globe reports that if Murray doesn’t pick up his game soon, the Bruins may have to move him and his 4.15 million dollar Cap Hit. The Globe reports that the Bruins may have to settle for another high-priced veteran in return for Murray. Another option could be to send Murray down but if you ask me, that’s a last resort to save money and I personally think it would never happen.

Chicago Blackhawks: It is well known that the Hawks are looking for a left-handed Power Play specialist to play the point. It is believed the Hawks are willing to part with several young players/prospects. Most notably: Dave Bolland, Rene Bourque, Cam Barker, Danny Richmond and Dustin Byfulgien as well as veterans Yanic Perreault and Sergei Samsonov. It is noted that Richmond and Dyfulgien will come at a price. According to sources, the Hawks have looked at Bryan McCabe as their man. They have also looked at the Phoenix Coyotes Derek Morris and Ed Jovanovski as well as Nashville Predators defenceman Marek Zidlicky.

Edmonton Oilers: GM Kevin Lowe, unhappy with the Oilers performance thus far, has been constantly talking to other GM’s about a trade. Only problem is, those other teams are only interested in Sam Gagner, Andrew Cogliano, Tom Gilbert and the Oilers 1st Round Pick (Actually, Anaheim’s 1st Round Pick) as nobody seems to want the Oilers struggling veteran’s. Lowe also isn’t ready to blow the team up as the Oilers are missing 4 Key defenceman in Sheldon Souray, Joni Pitkanen, Matt Greene and Mathieu Roy as well as Fernando Pisani.

Atlanta Thrashers: Since becoming coach of the Thrashers, Don Waddell has led the Thrashers to a winning record. Though they still sit below .500, Waddell told the Atlanta Journal he’s enjoying himself and isn’t rushing things when it comes to picking another coach. The Journal says Waddell could remain the Thrashers coach for the rest of the year. Possible candidates for the job include: Pat Quinn, Pat Burns and Brad McCrimmon.

Buffalo Sabres: Talks have begun between GM Darcy Regier and potential Free Agent Brian Campbell on a new contract. Campbell is apparently looking for a 5 year deal while earning 5 million dollars per year. The Sabres apparently want a deal of 5 years but closer to 4 million a season. The Sabres don’t really want to lose yet another big piece to the team and I personally think they will cave and give Campbell somewhere between 4.5-5 million. It is also reported the Sabres want to get defenceman Dmitri Kalinin under contract after they sign Campbell.

Anaheim Ducks: Well, the L.A Times are reporting that defenceman Scott Niedermayer may return in mid-December. He is apparently skating with former Ducks Travis Green and Jeff Freisen. Niedermayer’s agent is stressing that his client won’t make a decision for at least another month. If Niedermayer does in fact come back, Brian Burke will be forced to make a trade or two, so as to free up Cap Space. Expect Ilya Bryzgalov, Todd Marchant and Sean O’Donnell to be traded if Niedermayer does comeback and also expect Burke to get less value then he normally would for those 3 players.

Ok, coming from http://www.spectorshockey.net/rumors.html

Ottawa Senators: Hugh Adami of the Ottawa Citizen pondered the other day as to how much of a pay-cut Wade Redden would take. Most notably, Adami wondered if Redden or his agent would allow a pay-cut of 3 million or more from the Senators. Spector believes Redden won’t take a significant pay cut, especially if he become’s a UFA because he would be the most sought after defenceman in the NHL which in turn, would let Redden make Top Dollar.

Chicago Blackhawks: Tim Sassone of the Chicago Herald continues to report that Sergei Samsonov and Yanic Perreault are on very thin ice. Samsonov has been especially disappointing, being a healthy scratch for a 5th or 6th straight game. Spector note’s that the only one of the two worth-while would be Perreault, but he’d be valued to a deeper team because of his ability to win 60+% of his face-offs. Spector also said that if the Hawks want to free-up Cap Space, they could just send Samsonov down to the AHL and “loan” him to a Russian Super Team.

Montreal Canadiens: The Habs have placed Garth Murray on waivers and are prepared to send him down to Hamilton. All I can say is, It’s about gosh darn time. Murray is a waste of a roster spot and is barely qualified to put on an NHL jersey. He’s got hands of stone and is a terrible fighter, worse then P.J Stock. Also, Spector put away the internet rumour that Montreal and Tampa Bay were on the verge of a trade. It was said to have looked like this: Michael Ryder, Andrei Kostitsyn and Jaroslav Halak for Brad Richards and Andre Roy. I’m not the one who reported this because it’s one of the single-most lopsided trades I’ve ever seen. It’s up their with Russ Courtnall for John Kordic back in the late 80’s.

Toronto Maple Leafs: Forward Simon Gamache may end up going back to Switzerland instead of going back to the Marlies. Gamache has had his role diminished since his call-up to the Leafs and is now pondering going back to Europe. The only way for this to happen is if the Leafs “loan” Gamache to a Swiss team like SC Bern or HC Lugano. Pierre LeBrun reported that if the Leafs are out of contention by the Deadline, moving Mats Sundin to a contender might be a strong possibility, considering his potential worth.

Washington Capitals: Caps GM George McPhee has admitted to calling around about potential trades but also said that nothing substantial has come up. He says that the Salary Cap and Free Agency play a big role in trades being shot down. Which is why Ducks GM Brian Burke wants to convince other GM’s and the NHL to change the fact that teams cannot take a portion of a player’s salary when he is traded. To do this, the NHL would have to open CBA talks, something they most certainly won’t want to do.

Vancouver Canucks: Tony Gallagher of the Vancouver Province has hinted that the Canucks may pick up veteran defenceman Richard Matvichuk off waivers. But only if the Devils put him on re-entry waivers.

Eric Lindros: The Big E is supposed to announce his retirement today in a news conference in London, Ontario.

Well, that’s about it, it’s been a relatively slow week. Hopefully their will more next time.

Just a little side note, I do not think Eric Lindros deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I know he did score a lot but he was barely ever healthy in his career and never reached any significant milestones. IE. win the Cup, score 500 Goals, net 1000 points, play 1000 games. Come on, he didn’t even play 80 games until his 9th NHL season and played 70+ games 4 times in 13 seasons. Some may say Lindros deserves to be in the Hall more so than someone like Cam Neely, well Neely scored 50 goals 3 times, including a 50-50 season in 93-94.


36 Responses to Sourced Trade Rumours 5

  1. wingerxxx says:

    Agreed on Lindros.  I know he has his supporters, but his career is always going to be defined by what he did not accomplish, more than what he did accomplish. 

    To me, the defining moment of his career came when he ducked out of the Joe Louis arena, leaving Eric Desjardins to face the press, regarding the Flyer's 3-0 deficit against the Red Wings about ten years ago in the Stanley Cup finals. 

    I think he grew up though, and I enjoyed him as a Ranger for the most part.  By all accounts, he was a great locker room presence.  A very good career, yes.  Hall of Fame, no. 

  2. habsrock99 says:

    I remember that. Lindros ducking was one of the very many things that made Bobby Clarke hate him. The boiling point was sitting out that one year like 2 years after helping the Flyers to the Cup finals.

  3. wingerxxx says:

    Questioning the Flyers' medical staff really drove the nail in the coffin of his Flyers career, I think. 

    Guys who play like Lindros did are pretty much destined to have short and sweet careers. 

  4. leafy says:

    The more I think of it, the more I believe Lindros should be a lock for the Hall of Fame.  One of the best points per game ratios in history (1.19), a Hart Trophy, and more games played than Cam Neely, who made it.  Maybe not a first ballot inductee, but definitely a Hall of Famer.

  5. leafy says:

    Come on people, it's not a popularity contest.  The Hall of Fame inducts good hockey players, not saints.  In baseball, it's said that Ty Cobb once bet up a crippled guy, and others were notable racists, yet they made it to the Hall.  What kind of logic is that with Lindros?

  6. mozzy says:

    On the Lindros topic, does he deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Yes. And the reasons are mostly unconventional, but fact:
    1) He was by far the most pressured individual coming into the NHL. he had the weight of the world on is shoulders at 18, much more than, say, a crosby. He carried a lot as a young player and dealt with his image as best a guy can.
    2) He produced great numbers and single handily changed the dynamics of the league. he was grabbed and mugged  moreso than other other player of his time. Teams had guys who specifically set out to grab and obstruct lindros. they new he was a force. Put the old Lindros in todays game, and he is easily a 60 goal scorer /130+ points a season.
    3) He produced when the team around him didn't. He made the Flyers the strong team they were in the mid-late 90's.
    4) His career and abilites were cut short for instances beyond his control. His father/agent created a bad combonation and Bobby Clarke was a total pr*ck and never gave Lindros the credit he deserved. Not to mention the unbelieveably illegal hit from Stevens that, in todays game would have warranted a lengthy suspension on, lets see how many grounds: headhunting, elbowing, intent to injure!
    5)He may not have the Stanley cup ring, but he has all the makeup of a guy who should hold one. Lindros was still a great player and should be in the hall of fame…

  7. habsrock99 says:

    The Stevens hit was clean, it was pure shoulder to head and he didn't charge Lindros like others have in todays NHL.

  8. habsrock99 says:

    Oh, I'm not holding that against him. I don't necessarily think Neely should be in the Hall because I believe their should be a minimum Games Played and neither Lindros nor Neely reach what I believe to be the 1000 Game minimum. If you want to go on potential alone, then yes, both Neely and Lindros should be in there but potential doesn't amount to much.

  9. leafy says:

    Using that games played criteria, Bobby Orr shouldn't be in the Hall (<700 games).

  10. habsrock99 says:

    I should have specified a little bit. I meant within the last 20 or so years, they should have instituted a minimum games requirement. Maybe 1000 is much, but 1000 games does show a good career because it would take at least 12.1 years to achieve 1000 games, which means you have to be good for a decade and a bit. Back when Orr played, they played 70-80 game seasons and in Orr's 12 year career, he could have only played about 1008 games. Plus, he accomplished more in his 8 healthy seasons then 95% of all players acomplish in their careers, including Eric Lindros. Also, Orr won 2 Cups, won the Art Ross 2 times, won the Conn Smythe trophy 2 times,  won the Hart Trophy 3 times and won 8 consecutive Norris Trophies. Orr revoluntionalized hockey all together. He paved the way for the likes of Paul Coffey, Phil Housley, Ray Bourque, Nicklas Lidstrom, Al MacInnis and any other defenceman capable of putting up high offensive totals. Lindros never had this type of impact on the NHL. That's the main reason why I don't think he deserves to be in the Hall.

  11. muckies says:

    If Lindros had scored on Hasek in the Shoootout in Nagano, and Gretzky came over the boards and sealed the Canada win, Lindros would be in the Hall of Fame if Canada played for a gold medal at those Olympics.  After Team Canada lost, he took a lot of heat for not being a leader and causing distractions etc etc.

    He made Leclairs career, Leclair is an NHL foot note without Lindros.

    I'd put him in, just because he was so good, and really is one of the greatest power forwards of all time, and one of the biggest shyt heads of all time, but on the ice he is definetly a Hall of Famer. 

    Erci Lindors in 1996 makes any hockey team ever assembled, no matter what era or nation or team or coach.

  12. leafy says:

    The point is that rigid criteria, like games played or points, prevent any discretion or flexibility.

    The bottom line is that Lindros had one of the best points/game ratios in history, played more games than Cam Neely, and has a Hart trophy to boot.  If they let Neely in, I can't see how they can keep Lindros out.  That's the key point that refutes all counterarguments.

  13. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Lindros changed the game of hockey when he came in. He changed the financial aspect of the sport, and he changed the physical aspect of the sport. he deserves to be inducted into the hall of fame.

  14. leafy says:

    It's pretty controversial.  It depends on who you ask.  Even the so-called experts are divided on this one.

  15. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    interesting to note after blowing up in ottawa, Maurices has reverted to being cool as a cucumber. the same cannot be said for Ferguson. i heard he was fuming yesterday (wednesday) and has been on the phones like a madman. I've heard that if JFJ has his way, Stralman and White could be out very quickly. One of the teams i've heard is Boston. Which sucks, because we've all seen JFJ trade away good prospects to boston before.

    eklund says the leafs and bolts are talking.

    this is all interesting to me because the leafs and bruins are tight to the cap, and i keep hearing the bolts are cash strapped….

  16. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    also a note, it was this time last year that thornton got dealt. a desparate jfj might pull a sundin trade. unlikely because of the ntc

  17. leafy says:

    Interesting news.  I get very nervous when I hear JFJ is working the phones like a "madman".  I'd be more comfortable if his dismissal preceded any more trades.

    Eklund's rumors are as reliable as an OJ Simpson speech at an anti-homicide rally.

  18. papichulo71 says:

    Eric Lindros was the most dominating player of his time when he felt like playing.  Even last spring I added him in my playoff pool because when he's on top of his game he can be extremely powerful.

    People who think he's made of glass tend to forget how strong he is.  I often get beaked for being a Lindros supporter but I will always remember watching the Rangers-Bruins with my Boston friends when Eric broke Jumbo Joe's jaw.

  19. leafy says:

    He was a dominating force and I think many people have forgotten how good he really was, especially younger fans.

    Too bad he missed valuable playing time arguing with his team (Quebec, Philly, etc).  If he wasn't a cement head, he'd probably have another 2-3 dominant years in his resume.  But I strongly believe he should still be in the Hall (reasons stated above).

  20. habsrock99 says:

    Bolts are strapped for cash, their payroll is like 42 or 44 million but that's a temporary thing. Once the sale goes through, the new owners, Doug MacLean included, have stated they will spend the Cap Max to make a contending team.

  21. habsrock99 says:

    It's controversial only because shoulder to head hits are the dirtiest clean hit in hockey.

  22. leafy says:

    Clearly a valid point.

  23. habsrock99 says:

    Like I said earlier, I don't think Neely should be in the Hall and the only reason he is, is purely because of the 50-50 season he had. Winning the Hart Trophy doesn't mean automatic Hall vote. Look at whose won the award. Martin St. Louis, Jose Theodore, Al Rollins and Tommy Anderson all won the Hart Trophy and after looking at their career stas, I believe one of them deserves to be in the Hall and that's Anderson because he had 189 points in 319 NHL games as a defenceman playing in an era where defenceman weren't known as scorers. Hell, even Joe Thorton might be a questionable selection to the Hall but if he gets in, it's because he did a complete 180 on his style of play, going from goal scorer to playmaker.

    Now, Lindros does have 865 points in 760 games and that is really inpressive, don't get me wrong, and it's really hard to argue against a Hall induction, but I really don't see how he helped the game of hockey in his brief career. Had he stayed healthy and played more games, I'd be all for Lindros going to the Hall but in his brief time, he hurt more then he helped. He was a leading factor to salaries becoming as outrageous as they are (Not the sole reason but is part of the cause). He whined and complained when he didn't get his way (IE, getting drafted by Quebec), he's a leading factor to the way free agency is today, he rarely took responsibility and wasn't a leader to any team (IE. ducking out of Joe Louis arena when Philly was down 3-0, sitting out the entire 2000-01 season).

    Now, saying that, I will fully support a Hall induction if other players such as Dino Ciccarelli or Michel Goulet or someone who's put up incredible numbers in their career go in first. Now, none of us have control as to who goes into the Hall of Fame but Lindros shouldn't go in the next 15 years.

  24. broc says:

    I dunno if acquiring Danny Richmond from the Hawks will "come at a price"…. considering they just put him on waivers.

    But great post besides that.

  25. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    thats and if and when. for right now feaster has a salary limit to work with.

  26. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    hehe, yeah. plus feaster is to cool to freak out in november.

    i wouldn't like to see more prospects go to boston, but my friend covers the bruins for sports illustrated, and we've both known for a while that JFJ and chirelli were good trade partners. trading each other assets left right and center(tenkrat, draft picks(on draft day 2 years in a row), rask, raycroft). and now he's telling me rumers in boston see the B's getting a young defenseman (likely not the injured colaiacovo) out of Toronto. not that reliable, but better than eklund.

  27. cartino says:

    I don't think Lindros should make the hall of fame based on a few good productive years with the Flyers before he was no longer effective, the last few years with the leafs/stars/rangers he's been an overpaid has-been.

    To me Lindros always reminded me of a spoiled kid whose parents got too involved and ran his life and made all his decisions. I could only picture Lindros when he was 7 years old playing midget hockey and imagining is dead-beat-hockey-fanatic-parents in the stands screaming at his team mates, his coach, and the refs every 5 seconds.

  28. wingerxxx says:

    If you read what I said, you'll note that I do think that Lindros grew up as a person as his career went on.  The incident about the medical staff in Philly, I don't really hold against him at all. 

    Lindros has several problems about Hall of Fame induction. 

    First, he was a very questionable leader during his best playing days.  The fiascos in the 1998 Nagano Olympics and the Stanley Cup finals against Detroit really don't help this assessment.  Although him being captain of the Nagano squad is really the fault of the GM in charge of that team.

    Second, he has not reached any career milestones of note.

    His last several years in the league, he was NOT a top NHL player.  Certainly not Hall of Fame quality.  In the end, he was a 3rd, 4th line right winger. 

    His only Hart Trophy came in a shortened NHL season.  Which is about the only way he could have won it, considering his health issues.  Durability, to me, is one of the most important things about being a hockey player, and Lindros just didn't have it.  Part of that is due to his style of play.  But regardless, he had a very short "prime" of his career. 

    He put up pretty numbers, but not great numbers.  For a couple of years, he was really the best offensive forward in the league.  For a couple of years.  And there are players in the Hockey Hall of Fame with lesser credentials.  I think he will be inducted in at some point, but I just don't accept Lindros as one of the all time great players.  That, to me, is what the Hockey Hall of Fame represents. 

  29. KingCanada says:

    I dont think Zidlicky is going anywere, especially with Weber hurt.  As much as it would be good to trade away McCabe, they can look at him all they want, he has a NTC and he wont waive it to play for Chicago of all places.  Jovo is a dominating player at times but makes Zdeno Chara money and thats too much.  The most likely candidate in this case would be Morris.

    JFJ made a mistake by sending down Gamache, he was a pretty energetic player and was playing better then alot of others on the team.  Keeping guys like Pohl, Devereaux and Battaglia around is a waste of a roster spot and wont teach the kids a thing to play second fiddle to such waste of skin in those 3.

    Boston doesnt have much worth that the Leafs could benefit from trading White or Stralman.  It would be FOOLHARDY to trade Stralman at this point, its his FIRST YEAR in north america.  Because he isnt playing well at the moment JFJ wont get much for him, and if he DOES end up being great then you just made an idiotic trade to gain very little.

    If there about to trade White to Boston FINE, but i want Tuuka Rask back!!  or at the least Milan Lucic, hes a tough kid

  30. habsrock99 says:

    lol I got that from the one rumour page and after I seen Richmond get sent down I was like, you have got to be kidding me.

  31. habsrock99 says:

    I have a tonne of respect for Milan Lucic, he's going to be a force in a few years. He's got it all, defensive prowess, toughness, aggression, checking ability, play-making skills, goal-scoring instincts. And to think, he came from no where to lead the Vancouver Giants to a Memorial Cup win.

    As for Rask for White, is Peter Chairelli as dumb as JFJ?

  32. prospectiv says:

    Lindros was only good during the 90's when hockey was about wrestling.  Not a good leader, never attained the high standards he was supposed too, also refused to report to the team that drafted him…  But hey!  If Dick Duff was admitted last year, Lindros can be there!  The same goes to Pierre Turgeon, Theo Fleury, Igor Larionov, Kevin Hatcher, Al Iafrate and possibly Todd Bertuzzi….

  33. habsrock99 says:

    I don't like Theo Fleury, never have and never will but I'll give respect where respect is due. The guy ws 5'6" playing in an era where the average height went from 6' to 6"2 in a 10 year span. And he played with the same intensity and the same desire throughout the 90's and even somewhat in the New Millenium. Not alot of players can boast they have played 1000 games, scored 450 goals, net 1000 points and serve 1800+ Penalty Minutes.

  34. wingerxxx says:

    If Kevin Hatcher makes the Hall of Fame, the apocalypse is officially here. 

  35. wayne2 says:

    First point f…k Lindros.Ok lets talk about hockey now.
    I think Boston will have trouble moving Murray due to his salary but if they can they should look towards San Jose.
    Edmonton have lots of defensemen hurt so maybe Ottawa can trade them Corvo(Brian Lee will be here soon)
    If Montreal can pull that one i' d say go for it but i doubt Tampa would be that stupid though.
    Last point ..uc.. Lindros.

  36. KingCanada says:

    No hes not, Rask for White was clearly a joke.  But in retrospect isnt it sad how White is worth more then Raycroft yet Chiarelli managed to pull that trade off?

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