Stalled Souray situation holds up other deals

With Edmonton Oilers training camp less than a month away, disgruntled defenceman Sheldon Souray still doesn’t have a change of address while free-agent centres Sam Gagner and Andrew Cogliano don’t have contracts.

Needless to say, there is a gulf between what the Oilers and best buddies Gagner and Cogliano feel they are worth after three seasons of playing in the NHL.

They would have been signed long ago, but the Souray soap opera is a pricklier situation. It would not be a sound idea to have the veteran blue-liner on the ice at training camp, even if he has two years left with the Oilers at $5.4 million US per season. That’s because he would likely be a major distraction, just as Dany Heatley was last summer with the Senators in Ottawa.

Oilers general manager Steve Tambellini said there has been no line drawn in the sand with Souray or his agent Paul Theofanous.

“We’re still trying hard to make a deal … I don’t want to go there yet,” said Tambellini, who hasn’t had a lineup of suitors chasing Souray mainly because he has two years left on his hefty contract, plus there are nagging injury concerns.

Tambellini certainly is not in a position of strength, trying to move a guy who doesn’t want to be here.

“I don’t know if this is a similar situation to Ottawa’s with Heatley … all I know is it’s not the best possible position to be in.”

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17 Responses to Stalled Souray situation holds up other deals

  1. Kramer says:

    All the deals are stalled because Exelby hasn't signed. When Exelby signs, then we're gonna see the floodgates open on big trades.

  2. frankinboltonleafs says:

    Maybe I misread this. Maybe this'll sound overly negative….but…are you kidding me comparing this with the Heatley thing? Souray doesn't have a trade option, (or Tambellini for him I should say), because in his 13 yr career he's only played three at +70 games. Two of those he posted decent numbers albeit. He's old and beaten down now at 10mill for the next two years….man….what would you give up for him. Maybe someone can correct me…I'm OK with that…but anything I've ever read about the desire of GM's to acquire Gagne or Cogliano has been pretty light as well. Is there anyone on the Oilers anyone wants? These guys need to wake up and smell the roses. I really respect and feel for Tambellini here.

  3. frankinboltonleafs says:

    LMAOFFFF!!!!!! That was funny.

  4. nordiques100 says:

    Jordan Eberle
    Taylor Hall
    Magnus Paajarvi

    Those are the only 3 Oilers with mega-value.

    Dustin Penner and Ales Hemsky are not far behind. very good players.

    Other than that, slim pickings.

  5. reinjosh says:

    Still quite a few top notch RFA's out there. Ryan, Neal, Bergfors, Price, Mueller, Stewart and even Cogliano and Gagner. Its interesting to say the least.

    Even some lesser known guys who still have some really nice potential. Guys like Hanzal, Franson even Niskanen.

    Could be some nice offer sheet grabs closer to October 1st if the right team makes the right offer. Personally I'm a huge fan of Franson and although I'd love for the Preds to keep him, he could be a mighty fine addition as a future top 4 guy for the right team. Hanzal at 6 foot 6 might make a nice center addition to some teams too. I expect the bigger name guys to stay but maybe this year we get some smaller name guys moving through offer sheets.

  6. albertateams says:

    Souray is plain and simple garbage who can't lace a skate without going on LTIR. The only way Edmonton moves him if they take back a bad contract or move an asset with him.

    Gagner I doubt Edmonton would consider moving, as I think they see him as a long term 2nd line center with really good upside, he is only 20. If he were available I think the return would be pretty good. 
    Cogliano has been rumored to be going several different places, Mtl, TO, Ottawa etc. It's kind of a strange case in that the Oilers have tried to trade him in the past. I still think there would be a decent return for him but I think he will be moved probably with Souray for an average player. I would be surprised if he was with the Oilers at the start of the season. It's not that he is a bad player its just he doesn't really fit well with the pieces Edmonton has. Plus you can't blame the guy for being a little down after the Oilers have tried to move him a couple of times the past 2 years.
    What I think the Oilers should do is move Cogliano and Souray for Fleischmen. Don't know if Washington would do it, Edmonton might have to through a draft pick in or take back some cap space in return.
    Edmonton has a lot of players prospects that other teams would want however they aren't going to move any of the prospects so that basically leaves:
    Cogliano I think is moved first and then one or both of Hemsky and Penner at the deadline or next offseason. Penner or Hemsky should bring back a solid prospect or a combination of picks and prospects. Moving one or both at the deadline should ensure Edmonton is picking top five again in 2011.
    Gilbert, Whitney, and Smid could get a good return but I doubt they would move them as they are pretty thin on the back end and they are all reasonably young. 
    The Oilers do still have some baggage in Horcoff, Vandermeer, Souray and Khabibulin, but they are in a pretty good position moving forward, with Vandemeer's contract expiring at the end of this year and Souray probably being dealt or at worst coming off in 2 years. Bulin will probably retire/go to Russia/ or be on LTIR for the next few years but at least his contract is gone before any of the big three prospects have to be resigned. The only real long term contract problem they have is Horcoff, which no one is going to take however they have enough cap room that he can play 3rd or 4th line in a couple of years without hurting the team long term.
    Overall, I really think the Oilers have done a decent job this offseason.

  7. nordiques100 says:

    Doubtful considering none of those teams with these players are in huge cap difficulty. Yes, the holdup makes you wonder, but I think its a formality these guys go back to the teams that own their rights.

    I think once Ryan signs, everyone else falls into place. The Hornqvist deal was key too. He was more a 2nd tier guy like a lot of the guys you mentioned and that should sort of set some kind of market.

    But, Cogs, Gagner, Niskanen, Mueller, Price, they've played so inconsistently i can't see why they haven't signed yet. They have absolutely zero leverage.

    Also, the teams that you'd think would poach, Philly, Vancouver, among them, they have zero cap space to do anything. Or in the Leafs case, do not have the picks to offer in compensation.

    I think every team is relatively settled with 3 weeks left to go til camp.

    You'll see maybe a handful more signings, and probably a few cap induced moves, then its pretty much it and whomever is left over, be prepared to be camp walk-ons.

    Hockey is becoming like baseball in that regard. Lots of veteran guys get frozen out and have to go to camps and win a contract or perhaps even spend time in the minors to get noticed again.

  8. nordiques100 says:

    do you think the Oil wouldn't mind getting bigger up the middle? I really think they should and need some sandpaper to supplement their slick skill.

    Brule, Gagner and Cogs are very similar in that they're smallish guys with some skill. I think for some time last year, all 3 were playing the wing just because of their lack of size and strength.

    Gagner is probably the best of the 3 and may be the best centre they have if Horcoff blows chunks again.

    Flieschmann i dont know. Other than him maybe being someone to join Hemsky on a line perhaps, but I seriously think they need to find some roster balance.

  9. Leafs_the_word says:

    Lulz, Souray's trade demand reminds me of Samsonov's, it illicits a reaction along the lines of 'awww that's cute, you think there is another team that wants you'.

  10. reinjosh says:

    How much do you think it would cost to get Hanzal? Not money wise but asset wise

  11. Kramer says:

    Burke wants to sit down with Kaberle and play poker.

  12. albertateams says:

    Absolutely, they would want to get bigger down the middle, outside of Colin Fraser and Shawn Horcoff there projected centers are all under 6 feet and both Fraser and Horcoff should be 4th and 3rd line centers respectively. The Oilers size on the wings is fine they have a good mix of size and skill.

    What I think they should do is look at moving Penner to Boston for Ryder and Colborne at the trade deadline. If they could have Colborne, Gagner, Horcoff, and Fraser down the middle in a couple of years it may look pretty good.
    Flieschmann is an option but I don't think hes a top line center and like some one else said getting players from Washington is risky, as their production may be a product of playing in that great offense. However, if the Oilers could get Flieschmann for Souray and Cogliano I think they should do it even if they have to add a pick or take back salary. It's not a long term solution for the top two lines but its pretty clear Cogliano and Souray are on there way out.
    If they could pull off a deal for Colborne they could start 2011 with a forward group like:
    Hall Gagner Hemsky
    Paarjjarvi Colborne Eberle
    Omark Horcoff Brule
    Jones Fraser Stortini
    They could use another big forward for the third or fourth line but, it would balance out there forward group and then they could address the defense and goaltending.
  13. albertateams says:

    Yeah most of the guys you mention will sign with the team that holds their rights. I think the one exception would be Cogliano. I believe he will be moved, maybe in a deal to dump Souray or he may be signed and traded. Where ever he ends up I don't see him being a center he will probably be moved to the wing.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see a few deals but like you said most of them will revolve around the cap. Atlanta, Islanders, and Colorado still need to reach the cap floor so they will be looking to add someone through a trade or sign as a UFA. Vancouver, Calgary, and Boston could look at making a move to get under the cap or simply move someone to the minors or Europe.
    Out of the RFA's you mention above I really think someone could take a shot at Mueller. The guy has pretty high upside but doesn't fit long term with Stastny, Duchene, and O'Rielly. He could be used as trade bait to get a veteran winger or a dman.
    A team like Edmonton could show interest, possibly moving Cogliano and Souray to Colorado. Edmonton might have to through a pick in to cancel out Souray's contract but both teams could benefit from the move. 
  14. reinjosh says:

    Apparently Staal and the Rangers have almost no contact right now and contract negotiations are almost dead.

  15. albertateams says:

    I'd love to see Edmonton take a shot at Staal. I wonder if they could get him for something like this:

    Edm: Staal, Rosival
    NYR: Penner, Cogliano
    Staal would be a great pieceto rebuild the back end around. Rosival would be a straight cap dump but could play out the final 2 years of his contract in Edmonton. Penner would give the rangers another scoring threat and Cogliano would provide some speed up front.
  16. alpalstewart says:

    were trying to move sourays contract not penners but i would like to see staal here so it would be cogs and souray for staal and rozival, lol

  17. albertateams says:

    Of course moving Souray would be ideal I just don't think the rangers go for a deal moving staal without something more substantial coming back.

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