Sundin looking like Iginla

Everyone knows the troubles Calgary had last season putting the puck in the net. It seemed Iginla was he only big scorer the Flames had last season. The situation looks similiar for the Leafs. When my uncle from Boston Came to Toronto last week, we talked a bit about hockey. He’s a Bruins fan. I told him that I really liked what I saw from Wellwood last season. He replied by saying, “Who is Wellwood?” Well, Wellwood is a 2nd line guy who has potential to be a great playmaker. Thats when I made the connection.

Sundin- 1st liner

Wellwood- 2nd liner

Steen- 2nd liner

Tucker- 2nd liner

O’neill- 2nd liner

Peca- 3rd liner

Poni- 3rd liner

Antropov- 3rd liner

Stajan- 3rd liner

Kilger- 3rd liner

Pohl- 4th liner

Westrum- 4th liner

Ondrus- 4th liner

Battaglia- 4th liner

Williams- 4th liner

Suglobov- 4th liner

The depth is there, but Sundin is really he only guy who deserves first line duties. This is not unlike how Calgary was last season. So when people say they want Sundin to go, it worries me. Imagine what would have happened to the Flames if they had let Iginla go a year ago. Sundin is the heart of the Leafs Offence plain and simple.

21 Responses to Sundin looking like Iginla

  1. leafsmarlies says:

    I do agree, the leafs don’t have an actual 1st line just a bunch of 2nd and 3rd liners. If Maurice can find two players that play well with Sundin this season, instead of flipping the lines around all season like Quinn, the leafs will have a half decent offence. Better then Calgary’s even with Tanguay in my opinion.

    I really think this year will be Poni’s break out year. The guy has it all, speed, size, a powerful shot and can fight in the corners. If only he would show up to play every game he could be a 50-60+ point player next year.

    Pohl is going to suprised a lot of people this year, don’t be suprised if you see him playing on the 2nd line with Wellwood.

  2. Hoondog2 says:

    I believe it would be worth while to put Antro and Pony up with Sundin as their chemistry looked good at the end of the season, that would leave plenty of good players on the 2nd and 3rd lines.

    Try that for a while and if it does’nt go, i’d like to see Wellwood get a shot maybe with Steen and Sundin.

    Maurice will know better after training camp but I still believe they have better natural scorers than Calgary of last year, but we’ll see

  3. thundermuffin says:

    How many first-liners are there on any team in the new NHL? Was there a single first-liner on the Oilers at the beginning of last season other than maybe Ryan Smyth? They ended up comming within an eyelash of winning the Cup. What about the Buffalo Sabres? They were a team made up of 2nd and 3rd liners and, in my opinion, would’ve won the Cup last year had it not been for defensive injuries. Montreal have Kovalev (Koivu is no longer a first-line player) and Boston have nobody. With the exception of Ottawa, there really isn’t a complete formidable first line on any team in the Eastern Conference. Even the Stanley Cup Champs only had one real first line star on their squad. In today’s NHL, what is more important than anything is not how many first line stars you have on your team, but how much mobility and speed you have on your team. Any fool can put the puck in the net (ie.Jason Allison), but in the new NHL you have to have a fast-paced team rythm to succeed.

  4. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Stillman and BrindAmour are 1st line material,

    but true the team can win with lots of depth at scoring, but trading sundin is like Calgary trading Iginla,

  5. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    well, the 2nd-4th lines will be much better than calgary’s,

  6. Aetherial says:

    I have to agree with Thundermuffin above.

    I don’t believe that teams are built around an awesome first line, and a premiere stud D-man anymore.

    They are now built around OVERALL team speed, defense, coaching… and, as always, goaltending. Buffalo, Carolina, and Edmonton taught us that last spring.

    The biggest question the Leafs have is in net, not up front. They will get goals and they will have a decent Defense and coaching. They will only go so far as Raycroft carries them though.

  7. Ace_Bailey says:

    The problem with that is we’re basing player’s abilities as something static, something that stays the same. The fact is players improve while others become devalued.

    During the offseason would you not say that Williams may have improved to third line status? Maybe Steen improved his game to truly be a young first liner with the chance to solidify his position as a first liner?

    I dont think we can judge our young players right now, because 5 months is a long time to improve your game.

    Furthermore you don’t list any objective criteria as to what CONSTITUTES for a first, second, third and fourth line player. This is not obvious to everyone and unless you list some sort of criteria, the reasons why they are listed as they are could be arbitrary, and thus you have done marginal analysis at best.

  8. Turnbull says:

    Its simply not possible with the salary cap to have a “star-studded” 1st line anymore. Although, it would be nice if the leafs had 1 solid “sniper” type winger to play with Sundin. Maybe O’Neil can regain his form,….maybe not. Im hoping the lines will look something like this:





  9. leafstopgun says:

    sundin is no ingla

  10. goleafsgo16 says:

    This article is stupid. You have Steen as a second liner and he is coming off his rookie season. You don’t know how well our young guns will do. Steen is easily a first liner in my opinion. Look for Steen to get 30+ goals next season playing on Sundin’s LW.

  11. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    In the last 3 season Iginla has had 207 points and 229 PIMs in 238 games (0.87ppg)

    In the last three seasons Sundin has had 225 points and only 168 PIMs in 226 games (1.00ppg)

    At the age of 24 Iginla had his best season at 96 points. At the age of 21 Sundin had his best season at 114 points.

    Over his Career Sundin has averaged 1.01 ppg, iginla has averaged 0.81 ppg

    Sundin will make 6.3 Million dollars this season, Iginla will make 7.0 million.

    Both have won a gold medel in the olympics, neither has won the stanely cup.

    Both played with questionable linemates last season.

    They seem similar to me.

  12. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    I think Maurice will have Raycroft, Aubin, and Telly on a short leash. if they dont perform they won’t play.

  13. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    well to make this matter simpler you could say the top 90 scorers (forwards) are first line calibre. The 90th best scorer had 56 points last season. I beliee that O’neill, Tucker, Steen, and Wellwood are i the 45-55 point range, constituting a 2nd line player.

    A for player improvement, you know as well as I do that players improve more throughpout the course of a season than they typically do in the offseason. Meaning that Steen, Wellwood, and stajan are likely to play very similarly to the way they did in the 2nd half. However, thi also means that they wil be even better in the 2nd haf of this season. its impossible to be truly accurite when projecting player pogression, but i’d rther be modest than hopeful.

  14. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    I actually found that steen played best on the 2nd line. its when he got 1st line uties that he had might be him getting tired due to adjusting to north americn hockey.

  15. thundermuffin says:

    Goaltending ofcourse is the nucleus of any successful team. You’re absolutely right. The Leaf’s biggest weakness last season was poor goaltending. So regardless of what lines Maurice uses, if Raycroft or Aubin don’t pan out this season, it’s pretty much a right-off. I think Raycroft will regain his confidence and form with the change of scenery. If Aubin plays anywhere near the level he did at the end of last season, I also think you’ll see the two of them battling each other for the starting job.

  16. Hoondog2 says:

    Steen is a shooter, he shoots from anywhere, not that that is a bad thing.

    Sundin plays his best hockey when he is scoring goals, he also makes plays but when he is scoring you know he is on, I think he needs a playmaker with him, like Antro or Wellwood.

  17. 92-93 says:

    its not impossible – as Ottawa proves. it just means that teams can only afford such a line if their take away a lot of depth from other areas or if their first line consists of youngsters who are still on their first contracts, which are relatively cheap compared to their production.

  18. 92-93 says:

    well Calgary seems to have solved their dilemma with Tanguay.

    i know i am going to get slagged for this – for whatever reason – but maybe the leafs need to make a deal for Zherdev?

    even if it means trading one of their young forwards, a first rounder, and one of their young defensemen.

  19. GoalJudge says:

    Pohl will not go that high.

    Too bad for him.

    Even if he does amazing the guy is stuck in a deep position. Unless Wellwood, Stajan, Steen, Antropov, and Peca falter, Pohl is stuck in 4th.

    He will not get higher than 3rd, this year. Mind you if he does good, then he’ll have a great shot next year.

  20. wingedim says:

    Zherdev, in my opinion, is not consistant enough to be classified as a ‘sniper’. While he does have HUGE potential and has displayed glimpses of his talent, he is not consistant enough to be worth the money he is asking. While I agree that he COULD be worth that (and more) someday, at this stage of his career he is not at that pay level yet.

    It was said in another posting, IF Zherdev were brought to Toronto, they’d have to negoiate a contract with him, and there would be absolutely no moving on his end for the length of contract and money he wants. I said, in that other post, if it could be done with a 2 way contract that MIGHT entice him to ‘show up’ every night, but that will never happen.

  21. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Hillinbrand in disuise. He’s a pain in contract disputes, and will cost to much.

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