The Changing face of the playoff Vet.

Post-lockout, the NHL addition of an NHL vet who has been to the dance and can provide the grit, leadership or timely scroing has changed. No longer are players like Steve Thomas, Claude Lemieux,  Joe Niuwendyke, Mike Vernon, Kirk Muller available. Time has passed them by, and the dynasty’s that hogged these names, Dallas, Detroit, Colorado and NJ are goneIf your team is looking to add a veteran for a Cup run there are few impact names…Gary Roberts is one, darcy Tucker is another, is Martin Gelinas still on that list? What other names are available that are proven playoff performers and have Cup rings and are available?

Where are the deadline vets of old, the Chris Chelios’s, Ray Bourques, Joe Neiwendykes, Theo Fleury’s, Doug Gilmour’s? The new Conn Smyth trophy winners and impact players are young guys, Brad Richards, Cam Ward.

There has been a generational change in the trade market. The  names that are bantied about now aren’t proven playoff performers – Anson Carter, Shane Doan, Nagy, Stuart.  If your team i slooking to add a name, there aren’t many marquee playoff performers out there, a guy like Mike Knuble could be the new Steve Thomas, or Brad Stuart could be the new Daryl Sydor. 

20 Responses to The Changing face of the playoff Vet.

  1. habsoverserver says:

    Where are the vets?  Salary cap and faster play ended their careers.  Salary cap limits their movement.  Parity makes fewer teams sellers. 

    However, your list of veterans like Chelios, Bourque and Gilmour spans several seasons of trade deadlines.  It's not fair to compare five seasons of deadline deals to just  one year.   2007 will have its share of trades.  The Cup winners who are available at the deadline include Forsberg, Roberts, Weight and Gerber.  Plenty of veterans like Gratton, Smolinski, Conroy (traded), Tkachuck, Bertuzzi, Guerin and Roenick could be available this season. 

  2. habsoverserver says:

    also Martin LaPointe (cup winner) Turgeon, Modin, Berard, Gelinas, Stumpel, Hatcher, kapanen, York and Nagy could be had. 

  3. muckies says:

    Weight, Gerber, Gratton, Smolinski, Conroy, Tkachuck, Bertuzzi, Guerin and Roenick  – not one of these guys is a real playoff leader -I'd go so far as to say half the guys on that list would hurt your team more then help.

    I'm talking abou the huge playoff performers like Nieundyke, Thomas and Lemieux. There raen't many available, that's for sure.

  4. 92-93 says:

    ah nostalgia. well i am sure we'll have our versions of these players, but maybe not wrapped in the glossy sweet memories of those particular years. face it, certain bands, songs, friends, players, sporting moments are locked into this period of bliss while we were growing up. and it often frames and sometimes distorts are perceptions of both then and now.

    but yeah, Roberts and Tucker are too valuable playoff pick-ups no question about it if they stay healthy.

    i cringe at the mention of Claude Lemieux's name being mention in the same 'class' of Nieuwendyk, Muller, Thomas, Gilmour, etc.

  5. robinson19 says:

    Nice opinion. I think it's only a good thing for teams like Montreal, Ottawa, Calgary, Buffalo that they can now be just as likey to score a Bertuzzi or a Guerin as anybody else. There was a time there when if you weren't Colorado Dallas Detroit or NJ you weren't even on the map for these type of acquissitions.

  6. Ottawasenfan3 says:

    Claude deserves to be in there. He may not be the 'role model' type of guy, but he did everything those other guys did too. Talk about someone who can change the whole complection of a game.

  7. habswinthecup-again says:

     Not many stepped up their games in the playoffs more than Lemieux.

  8. 92-93 says:

    talk about a guy who can change the whole complexion of a guy's face (re: Draper) because of one of his frequent hits-from-behind.

  9. robinson19 says:

    I don't disagree with you about Lemieux, but at the same time he did have a very effective Tikkanen/Barnaby type presence plus didn't he score 40 goals one year? He was difinitely top three pests of all time, a very valuable playoff role-player. Classic cliche "you hate him if he's not on your team, love him if he is" type guy. Even his turtling act was calculated to aggravate, he just loved being a villain. Reminds me of Ruutu or Neimenen nowadays, but with more offensive upside.

  10. 92-93 says:

    oh i dont doubt he has scored some key goals at key times. my comment was about winning with class and even being able to win with an edge and a nasty streak. he was rarely able to do that without being downright dirty.

    but i also have the feeling that positive and negative opinions of Lemieux will be divided by the same old lines of which teams you cheer for (i.e. Habs fans/Av fans vs. non-hab fans/av-fans). and if that predetermines the debate i just dont want any part of it because its just a waste of time.

  11. 92-93 says:

    definitely one of the best pests of all time and very effective. but not all pests are dirty players.

  12. habswinthecup-again says:

    I am not a Lemieux fan, I was only stating why he was put on the list by Muckies. There was a reason why he was traded from Montreal and that was because he was not a class act.

  13. 92-93 says:

    oh thats cool. and i didnt mean to sound pessimistic in the last post i just have had too many 'debates' go in that direction. but yeah, super-effective super-pest … totally agree.

  14. nonhl2005 says:

    I had to laugh at the dynasty mention of Dallas, since when does 1 QUESTIONABLE, cup win constitue a dynasty? I think Bret Hull's foot is STILL in the crease and still no one will blow the whistle. 

  15. habsoverserver says:

    yeah but niewy, thomas and lemieux were never available in the same year. tehre are never many of these players available.  you are drawing a comparision between a 10 year span of history and one month of 2007.  that is not a fair comparison. 

    this year forsberg is available and he is a playoff stud.

    thomas never won anything.  niewendyk, chelios and bourque all failed to win cups the year they were traded and olny helped their respective teams the following year.  lemieux was never traded at the deadline.  when nj got him, it was early in the season.

    if you want to make a coherent point  show me how many players were available annually from 1995-2006 and compare that to the # players available in 07.

  16. muckies says:

    well, the point is that the veteran playoff performers aren't available, people that have won the Conn Smythe like Niew, Lemieux, or a Norris like Chelios, Bourque,Leetch or Murphy. That's the point

    Forsberg is a great player, but he isn't healthy, that's obviouos to everybody. He may not even be able to play in the playoffs. So he doesn't really classify the same as getting a player like the one's listed above, who were in their prime and were playoff ready.  that's my point.

  17. Jrugges2 says:

    I have to agree with the Dallas Dynasty… Also I have to mention when did Detroits so called Dynasty end? 02? If so I would like to ask you what you think a dynasty is… considering that team is still consistantly among the top 5 in points in the whole NHL by the end of the year.

  18. Archion113 says:

    I totally agree.

    That wasn't a goal, way to go Gary Bettman for another failed experiment there.

  19. BieksaForMVP says:

    I agree about the Brett Hull thing, but let's be honest, even if the Stars only won 1 Cup, they still were one of the top teams  in the NHL for close to 10 years, if they still aren't now (I say they aren't). Before Philly, New Jersey, and recently the most successful playoff division the Atlantic (Tampa, Carolina, and Atlanta could be the surprise team, and Carolina didn't have defense) was just as bad as the division that the Raptors are in (I do't follow basketball much, so I don't know the names of divisions). The Ave's, Wings, Stars, and maybe St Louis were befar the top teams. Also Vancouver was one of the top teams the last 5 years (before the lockout), but they got better from trades, not drafting.

  20. davey says:

    You can't blame Bettman unless you're looking at the grand, grand scheme of things. I'm a Sabres fan, I was there and I'm still as emotionally invested in this as I was 9 years ago. But you can only hold the commissioner responsible in the sense that he was in Buffalo that night, and saw the goal firsthand; a goal which the league later had to make legal the following season in an effort to justify it after the fact. But as much as I hate it, I don't blame the commissioner. I blame the media as well as the staff at HSBC for allowing them to storm the ice after the (no) goal, and the officials (who's names I don't remember) for not taking control of the situation. Because of all this, (not the commish) this goal didnt stand a chance to make it to video review in Toronto. Whether or not Buffalo would have won the cup that season will never be known, but dynasty or not Dallas definitely did not win it that night.    

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