The Fans Or The Coach And GM, Take Your Pick

The Leafs are heading into the olympic break with two brutal losses to the Rangers and are currently out of the playoff picture.

With players like Sundin, Poni, Tucker, Steen, Wellwood, Allison, Mccabe, Kaberle and with the way the defencemen from the marlies have been playing how do you struggle to make the playoffs? Some nights it’s really hard to tell what the problem is with this team. JFJ has yet to make a trade to help out the struggling team and the fans are getting impatient, because if he does not make a move soon than we may be so far out of the playoff picture that no trade can help.

So as I mentioned with players like this, if you have been struggling the whole season let a lone a couple of weeks, you start to wonder that it may not be the players, maybe the coach. If you don’t know what Quinn and JFJ are doing wrong then let’s take a quick stab in the dark.

1. Is it the way Quinn pairs up his line-ups. Maybe Quinn is having trouble picking line-ups because of the players JFJ signed. Players like oneill, lindros, antropov, unless they are playing with sundin do not fit on this team at all. I think JFJ just signed players that look good but never took into consideration who they will play with.

2. Is it Quinn’s coaching just in general. Everytime the leafs are on a rush all they do is dump in, dump in, dump in, dump in and they clearly do not have the players anymore to do that. Quinn has probably already realized that, but has yet to change his style even though he knows it will never pull through. JFJ has probably realized that Quinn does not have the players he needs to coach the way he wants to coach and has not made a trade to help him out. So what the hell is going on here.

3. Is it the players. I have noticed a lazy effort from oneill, lindros, antropov, domi, berg, khavanov, klee all season long, like they literally play like they don’t care, maybe because they are not playing with the right people which goes back to Quinn. Another big issue with the leafs whenever they are on a 2 on 1 rush they ALWAYS PASS even when the defencmen has the leaf player totally covered and will not be able to accept the pass ,they pass anyway and there isn’t even a shot on net, they need the confidence that they can score which also goes back to Quinn.

4. Is it just the offence. Toronto needs to score way more goals which means they are having offensive problems. Again it could be the way they are lined-up and the leafs should really push for a winger at the deadline.

5. Is it the defence. Defence was part of the problem before Wozniewski and Harrison came to the line-up. Where have these guys been all season. These 2 guys have been really good these past few weeks and mainly because of there size and it has inspired Kronwall to play a little better. I think these 2 guys have solved our defensive problems, but they all need help from the offence.

So on this site the leaf fans have been suggesting the opposite of what JFJ and Quinn are doing. I was probably the first leaf fan to say they should re-build and now others have finally agreed.

Here is what I suggest JFJ do at the deadline:

if oneill does not stay with sundin than he should go

To Van: oneill, Khavanov

To Tor: 3rd pick(06 draft)

To Bos: Klee, 4th pick(06 draft)

To Tor: Boyes……this one porbabaly will not happen but I strongly suggest that the leafs go after him in the off season, after all he said he would be more than happy to be a leaf.

To Was: Antropov, Berg, 5th round pick(07 draft)

To Tor: 3rd pick(06 draft)

To Calgary: Wilm, 4th round pick(07 draft)

To Tor: 3rd round pick(06 draft)

for this last trade, wilm is an impressive face-off man and any team heading into the playoffs can use him, and plus if the leafs don’t make it for the playoffs, the flames will be the canadian team i’ll be rooting for.

I don’t know and care what the line-ups are if they go into the playoffs but at the beginning of the 06-07 season it should be like this:

lindros-sundin-czerkawski

stajan-boyes-steen

poni-allison-tucker

kilger-wellwood-domi

mccabe-coliaicovo

kaberle-kronwall

wozniewski-harrison

pp(unit 1)

boyes-sundin-tucker

mccabe-kaberle

pp(unit 2)

allison-lindros-czerkawski

coliaicovo-harrison

pk(unit 1)

kilger-stajan

mccabe-kaberle

pk(unit 2)

allison-sundin

harrison-wozniewski

Belfour

Tellqvist

Pogge(he should get maybe 5-7 games next season)

I still think Belfour can compete,he still can steel some pretty good games but just needs some defencmen infront of him that are willing to help. Tellqvist I think needs 1 more full season as back-up to take the roll of no.1, belfour might retire at the end of the 06-07 season and at the 07-08 season tellqvist can get the job, this guy has really impressed me, and after 1or 2 seasons with him as no.1 it is time for Pogge to shine.

If JFJ does not do anything close to atleast ONE of these trades than he should be fired.

So with regards to my title who knows what is better for this team, the fans or the JFJ and Quinn.

So far it’s one point for the fans cuz all season long i’ve been saying play coliaicovo and was playing good before his concussion, and call up players from the marlies and they have been playing better than berg,khav and klee.


6 Responses to The Fans Or The Coach And GM, Take Your Pick

  1. 93213 says:

    Let’s face it, JFJ didn’t have much leverage over the summer. Putting a team of 7 centers together is questionable.

    Why didn’t Carter come to TO? His saleray was managable.

    The biggest issue with this team is passion and grit.

    I think Quinn is a good coach but he doesn’t have the players to suit his style.

    where are the wingers?

    why did we sign Chercawski?

    why do we keep him?

    In my opinion the Leafs can make the playoffs. and with Lindros, Alison, Sundin and Tucker thay have potential to surprise a lot of people. If JFJ can make a move.

    Cherkawski is disposable trade him for a pick or let him go on waivers to open up cap room.

    With Pohl available we don’t need him at all.

    keep wilm and Belak. wilm is a good face off man and great on PK.

    Belak is a good utility forward. bring him in only for games against rivals.

    with the rookie defence playing better than the crap we have, why keep Khavanah and Berg? It’s pointless.

    Dump them for picks.

    Use those picks to pick up a quality 3 or 4 defencman like Witt.

    With Lindros we don’t need Alison. Only because I think Alison will fetch more on a trade for a winger. someone like Mark Bell which is unrealistic, but would be nice.

    Antropov has a lot of potential but I think the Toronto pressure is too much for him. Trade him away and pick up someone who’d be useful. Look at Modin, the guy was useless here then wins a cup in Tampa.

    Would Alison and Antropov for Bell and Simpson be realistic?

    Not really, if the Blackhawks were in contention maybe. More likely would ne a trade with Anaheim or Minnesota.

    so with the Wild could we land Kuba and Robataille?

    From the Ducks could we land Carney and Kanopka?

    What about Edmonton they could use a second line playmamker like Alison for the playoffs what about Torres and Staois or Cross?

    What about the Canucks? They need defence and Khavanah would be decent there until Jovo comes back.

    Alison and Khavanah for Cooke and Picks? then make a move for Witt in another deal, say you can dump Chercawski as well use the picks and Antropov to pick up Witt.

    These trades don’t really adress the issue, but having a Cooke or Torres or someone other than Tucker to infuse a level of intensity would help all around. Plus we don’t lose any prospects and we keep our picks for the draft.

  2. PaulK123 says:

    Just a few facts:

    Next year Belfour is gonna retire!

  3. 93213 says:

    That is not a fact.

    That is wishful thinking.

  4. leafs4cup says:

    thank god your not the gm…lol, allison, a point a game guy for cooke??? or cross??? and have you seen any of the guys you mentioned play??? {other than bell but he’s untouchable} there shit. the answer is not trading allison for bums they should look at moving him for boynton or barrett jackman, although id prefer to resign him i dont think he will resign with toronto because of the media pressures, he seems to quite and nervous and got a raw deal from the fans and media.and with your comment that with lindros we dont need allison, allison is more effective and more durable than lindros. lindros should hang them up he’s not half the player he used to be.

    how many games has lindros played for the leafs,30?lindros is to banged up to be in the leafs future plans plus he’s 34 and allison is 30.this is what the leafs should try

    mccabe and oneill and 4th round pick to san jose for marleau,they need an offensive dman and with thornton the #1 guy marleau could be moved.trade sundin to florida for horton or stewart{ or to a team that can afford a good young power forward} with jokinen more or less gone, sundin would bring some much needed hype and skill.waive players like domi,belak khavanov,czer. than in the off season dont bring back klee, belfour berg ,and sign schaffer,mitchell,calder,jovo or redden or mara.allisons trade value is higher than people think this guy is a 75 -95 point player so he should

    get a decent return if they choose to trade him,and considering his 2yr absence and the fact that he’s playin with antropov and pony{SHOULD BEING CENTERING SUN AND PONY}. you make him your first line center on a team like vancouver or calgary,the toronto fans.WILL BE WISHING THEY KEEP HIM!!!

    but heres my 2006 -07 team

    1.horton marleau calder

    2.pony allison schaffer

    3.steen wellwood tucker

    4.kilger stajan ???

    1.kaberla mitchell

    2.mara harrison

    3.kronvall carlos

    this team is fast and very young, oldest guy is allison {who in 2006 will be 31}and a great team to watch mature into champs.

    none of these moves are that far fetched and although difficult to do in the span of a few months and the off season they would nice additions to our team and we should have lots of cap room to do so with sundin and belfour gone.BUT IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO TRADE ALLISON OR SUNDIN THIER LINE UP SHOULD LOOK LIKE THIS

    1.SUNDIN ALLISON PONY

    2.STEEN LINDROS TUCKER

    3.ONEIL WELLWOOD STAJAN

    4.KILGER WILM ANTROPOV

  5. 93213 says:

    Listen, we’re talking about tooling the team not burning it to the ground and starting over.

    I said Alison for Cooke and PICKS. Like YOU said Alison will most likely not be here next year so get a pick and a decent grinder for him.

    Sundin is going nowhere. He has said he wants to stay. JFJ has said he’s untouchable. Jokinen is not coming to Toronto.

    As much as I want to shake your head I do agree with a lot of what you suggest, but you’re way out of reality.

    Sundin is the top line winger, he’s there to stay under Quinn. Alison has had the same amount of ice time lately.

    When Lindros returns he needs to be on the wing.

    The biggest problem Alison has had this season is that he made one pass to Antropov and Nik scored, so now he’s burdened with this s***** bag all season. they say Alison is slow, you try carrying around a 6’6″ Kazakstani while you try and make a play see how you do….

    Anyway buddy, I don’t mind the guys you suggest, although McCabe and Sundin will be there next year and ain’t no way SanJose is losing Marleau as much as I’d love to see him here.

    My point with Alison was if we aren’t going to make the playoffs, see what we can get for him. As Vancouver needs a top line center and I like Cooke I suggested that. If Jovo was healthy I would have added Brian Allen in the trade instead of picks.

  6. leafs4cup says:

    First off, i never said Jokinen to toronto! What i said was, Jokinen will likely not be in florida because he wants to test free agency so florida would need a #1 center. If the leafs could trade every captain they’ve had that i can remember( clark, gilmour) they sure as shit could trade Sundin and as much as i love him, his contract is hurting us and restricting us from any movement.i agree with getting a grinder, i’m not going to trade away an 80 point player{allison} who makes other players better for one though.if we could get a barret jackman or a van ryan ,kobasew,or lombardi someone young than do it,sure.

    My trade suggestions are realistic and the marleau deal would be benificial to both teams because San Jose desperatly needs a offensive defensiveman and with Thornton there marleau becomes number 2 and San Jose cant afford an offensive defensiveman if they have to pay thornton 6mil.marleau 5,nabokov5.?,then resign McLaren, Hannan ,s.thornton and than sign a redden or jovo at 5 or 6 million that will be almost 20 million for thornton ,marleau, nabokov,hannan and still havent got thier powerplay dman and other postions filled. so san jose need to spread thier money around not tie it all up in 2 centerman.and i see your point trading allison but if you just want to retool than you resign him he’s only 30.but i think its time to move mats and other assests like mccabe who you should get a boat load for,just so we secure some young talent and the future. and i also think the leafs owe mats that much because this team is going nowhere fast and sundin aint getting any younger and if we could get some young guys like a horton or stewart for sundin then do it. i hate to say it but this team needs a rebuild not retool and a 36 year old sundin doesnt what to go through that and shouldnt have too.

    i would love to see sundin on allisons wing, if they dont get traded.mats best seasons were when he was a winger and he’s always one of the best in international compitetion because he plays on the wing and when we traded clark for him it was to play wing with gilmour.if allison could feed kristich,samsonov,carter for 30 goals think what mats would get.

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