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		<title>By: Aetherial</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/the-nhlpas-proposition/comment-page-1/#comment-68002</link>
		<dc:creator>Aetherial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The best part about this whole thing is the stupidity of the stance of the NHLPA...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I love when punks like Daniel Alfredsson come out and say that the players will *never* accept a salary cap.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Hahahahahaha, Pardon me?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes they will. It won&#039;t be a ridiculous low-ball like 35 million. I am guessing 45 million sounds about right.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry Daniel, the players are talking tough about being willing to sit but you and the other players will start thinking twice when you face the prospect of a year or two taken away from your prime earning periods in relatively short careers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not just the loss of salary, it is the loss of time on a short career.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The players have been enjoying salaries escalating well beyond talent and well beyond the means of the NHL. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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A cap is needed, as much as anything, it is needed to keep idiot owners (Colorado, Detroit, New York, Toronto etc.) from spending too damn much.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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A cap would also go a long way towards parity in the league. That is a BIG selling point of the NFL.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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After they get a cap in place, it will happen, then they can see about fixing the rules to beat the trap, which really is killing the NHL.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best part about this whole thing is the stupidity of the stance of the NHLPA&#8230;</p>
<p>I love when punks like Daniel Alfredsson come out and say that the players will *never* accept a salary cap.</p>
<p>Hahahahahaha, Pardon me?</p>
<p>Yes they will. It won&#8217;t be a ridiculous low-ball like 35 million. I am guessing 45 million sounds about right.</p>
<p>Sorry Daniel, the players are talking tough about being willing to sit but you and the other players will start thinking twice when you face the prospect of a year or two taken away from your prime earning periods in relatively short careers.</p>
<p>It is not just the loss of salary, it is the loss of time on a short career.</p>
<p>The players have been enjoying salaries escalating well beyond talent and well beyond the means of the NHL. </p>
<p>A cap is needed, as much as anything, it is needed to keep idiot owners (Colorado, Detroit, New York, Toronto etc.) from spending too damn much.</p>
<p>A cap would also go a long way towards parity in the league. That is a BIG selling point of the NFL.</p>
<p>After they get a cap in place, it will happen, then they can see about fixing the rules to beat the trap, which really is killing the NHL.</p>
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		<title>By: rojoke</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/the-nhlpas-proposition/comment-page-1/#comment-68001</link>
		<dc:creator>rojoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Hockey News reported last week that the owners countered with a salary cap of $31 million.  A lowball offer if ever there was one.  Their target is, by most reports, in the $40 to $50 million range.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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As for the across-the-board pay cut of 5%, it means nothing.  There was a post here earlier that broke down the number.  But the key to that proposal was the cut was on &lt;b&gt; existing contracts&lt;/b&gt;.  What about the free agents?  Do teams negotiate with them and then ask for 5% back afterwards?  Jagr gives back $500,000 a year over the rest of his deal.  Then what?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The two things that really need to change are arbitration and rookie salaries.  Rookie salaries should be a percentage of the league average (less than half, say 40%).  Arbitration should be an either or, not something off the top of the arbitrator&#039;s head.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hockey News reported last week that the owners countered with a salary cap of $31 million.  A lowball offer if ever there was one.  Their target is, by most reports, in the $40 to $50 million range.</p>
<p>As for the across-the-board pay cut of 5%, it means nothing.  There was a post here earlier that broke down the number.  But the key to that proposal was the cut was on  existing contracts.  What about the free agents?  Do teams negotiate with them and then ask for 5% back afterwards?  Jagr gives back $500,000 a year over the rest of his deal.  Then what?</p>
<p>The two things that really need to change are arbitration and rookie salaries.  Rookie salaries should be a percentage of the league average (less than half, say 40%).  Arbitration should be an either or, not something off the top of the arbitrator&#8217;s head.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey1908</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/the-nhlpas-proposition/comment-page-1/#comment-68000</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey1908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[$90M team cap is more than double what most teams can afford now, that is rediculous and what player needs $12M a year.  Look at how over paid Jagr is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The players are to blame by asking for high salaries and the owners are to blame by giving it to them.  Hockey is following the exact same path as baseball.  There are only a couple of teams, Detroit, Rangers, Kings, Leafs and Stars who are always rumoured when big named players are available.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The owners have been fighting off the urge to spend on high priced free agents this year, but that will not last.  Look for Jagr to end up a Ranger.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The only way to save the NHL is some form of salary cap.  It will have to be the players that bend on this one, not the owners, becasue they won&#039;t.  The owners have been preparing for this for a long time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Expect no hockey in 04.  The only way it will happen is if the NHLPA wisens up and realizes, for the good of the game they have to play.  If there is no hockey for one or two years, expect fewer teams.  Teams like Anaheim, Nashville, Carolina, Islanders might have trouble surriving an extended period of time off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$90M team cap is more than double what most teams can afford now, that is rediculous and what player needs $12M a year.  Look at how over paid Jagr is.</p>
<p>The players are to blame by asking for high salaries and the owners are to blame by giving it to them.  Hockey is following the exact same path as baseball.  There are only a couple of teams, Detroit, Rangers, Kings, Leafs and Stars who are always rumoured when big named players are available.  </p>
<p>The owners have been fighting off the urge to spend on high priced free agents this year, but that will not last.  Look for Jagr to end up a Ranger.</p>
<p>The only way to save the NHL is some form of salary cap.  It will have to be the players that bend on this one, not the owners, becasue they won&#8217;t.  The owners have been preparing for this for a long time.</p>
<p>Expect no hockey in 04.  The only way it will happen is if the NHLPA wisens up and realizes, for the good of the game they have to play.  If there is no hockey for one or two years, expect fewer teams.  Teams like Anaheim, Nashville, Carolina, Islanders might have trouble surriving an extended period of time off.</p>
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		<title>By: Zamboni</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/the-nhlpas-proposition/comment-page-1/#comment-67999</link>
		<dc:creator>Zamboni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both sides are making ridiculous proposals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
PLAYERS: 5%?  Who do you think you&#039;re kidding?  Come back to the table when you&#039;re ready to talk 20-25%.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
OWNERS: $35 million?  Who do you think you&#039;re kidding?  Come back to the table when you&#039;re ready to talk $45-50 million.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Quit dicking around, get this figured out, or you&#039;ll all be shooting yourselves in the foot.  A strike/lockout will kill any and all momentum this sport has gained of late.  Teams will fold.  Roster places will be harder to come by, hundreds of players will lose their jobs.  Owners will go bankrupt.  You&#039;re all going to lose if you can&#039;t pull your heads out of you know where real soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both sides are making ridiculous proposals.</p>
<p>PLAYERS: 5%?  Who do you think you&#8217;re kidding?  Come back to the table when you&#8217;re ready to talk 20-25%.</p>
<p>OWNERS: $35 million?  Who do you think you&#8217;re kidding?  Come back to the table when you&#8217;re ready to talk $45-50 million.</p>
<p>Quit dicking around, get this figured out, or you&#8217;ll all be shooting yourselves in the foot.  A strike/lockout will kill any and all momentum this sport has gained of late.  Teams will fold.  Roster places will be harder to come by, hundreds of players will lose their jobs.  Owners will go bankrupt.  You&#8217;re all going to lose if you can&#8217;t pull your heads out of you know where real soon.</p>
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		<title>By: cwthrash</title>
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		<dc:creator>cwthrash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember, labor fights are bloody.  No matter what the industry is, they are bloody.  No reason to think either side will make nice until the time constraint begins to bear down on them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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While I have little doubt these new proposals are really what both sides would like, it looks more like negotiating tactics right now.  Using the media, putting as much pressure on the other side as possible.  Both sides doing their usual song and dance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite all the evidence to the contrary, neither side is stupid.  They both have a pretty good idea of the economics of the game and the outside economic factors that impact the league.  Each side has had to run dozens of sets of numbers by now.  I guess it just depends on how stubborn each side is willing to be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, labor fights are bloody.  No matter what the industry is, they are bloody.  No reason to think either side will make nice until the time constraint begins to bear down on them.</p>
<p>While I have little doubt these new proposals are really what both sides would like, it looks more like negotiating tactics right now.  Using the media, putting as much pressure on the other side as possible.  Both sides doing their usual song and dance.</p>
<p>Despite all the evidence to the contrary, neither side is stupid.  They both have a pretty good idea of the economics of the game and the outside economic factors that impact the league.  Each side has had to run dozens of sets of numbers by now.  I guess it just depends on how stubborn each side is willing to be.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterPuck</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/the-nhlpas-proposition/comment-page-1/#comment-67997</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterPuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now why wouldn&#039;t 35 - 40 million be enough of a salary cap? think about it, That&#039;s 1.5 to 1.7 million per year on the average per player. I honestly do not think that players should be paid more. Should the owners make the money? Why not, they take all the risk. Name me one player that has a contract where if they do not perform they will take less of a salary. Ever notice that alot of players who sign big contracts stumble out of the gate, some for seasons until they are in the last of there contract then they perform. The game suffers when that happens. It is time that the league stand up and be accountable. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now why wouldn&#8217;t 35 &#8211; 40 million be enough of a salary cap? think about it, That&#8217;s 1.5 to 1.7 million per year on the average per player. I honestly do not think that players should be paid more. Should the owners make the money? Why not, they take all the risk. Name me one player that has a contract where if they do not perform they will take less of a salary. Ever notice that alot of players who sign big contracts stumble out of the gate, some for seasons until they are in the last of there contract then they perform. The game suffers when that happens. It is time that the league stand up and be accountable. </p>
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		<title>By: Kyleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the Rookie entrance salary idea of $850,000 which includes bonuses and the like.  A $35 million salary cap would not be enough.  A 50 million dollar cap I would see as good.  But I prefer idea of the luxury tax.  It would work alot better in the NHL as teams would not go over the limit because they are already losing money.  And no ownership has the pockets or fan dedication like the Yankee&#039;s do in baseball to afford to pay the extra money.  And Revenue Sharing is a must.  The NFL has the best system and each year there is a different set of teams that are a force.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Rookie entrance salary idea of $850,000 which includes bonuses and the like.  A $35 million salary cap would not be enough.  A 50 million dollar cap I would see as good.  But I prefer idea of the luxury tax.  It would work alot better in the NHL as teams would not go over the limit because they are already losing money.  And no ownership has the pockets or fan dedication like the Yankee&#8217;s do in baseball to afford to pay the extra money.  And Revenue Sharing is a must.  The NFL has the best system and each year there is a different set of teams that are a force.</p>
<p>One last thing. That 5% is the biggest load of crap</p>
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		<title>By: PeterPuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterPuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it is the other way around, MAYBE the players shot themselves in the foot!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is the other way around, MAYBE the players shot themselves in the foot!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: markjohnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>markjohnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh ya, the salary cap needs to be implemented over the next 2-3 years to accomidate stupid teams.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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currently it&#039;s infinite, next year it could be 70, year after 60, then set at whatever (I used 45 as an example)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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that way, you don&#039;t get shot in the foot for having jagr at 11 million a year on your team for the next 2 years at least.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh ya, the salary cap needs to be implemented over the next 2-3 years to accomidate stupid teams.</p>
<p>currently it&#8217;s infinite, next year it could be 70, year after 60, then set at whatever (I used 45 as an example)</p>
<p>that way, you don&#8217;t get shot in the foot for having jagr at 11 million a year on your team for the next 2 years at least.</p>
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		<title>By: tmeyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmeyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Screw it...LOCKE EM OUT! Get some players that really want to play. Dont worry the old plyers will get nervous when they are down to there last 5 million in savings and come back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw it&#8230;LOCKE EM OUT! Get some players that really want to play. Dont worry the old plyers will get nervous when they are down to there last 5 million in savings and come back.</p>
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