The Worst Trade of the Deadline

Can someone explain Paul Holmgren’s logic in his moves??? I am completely baffled at his trades after the successful run he’s had.

Scottie Upshall AND a 2nd rounder for a Fighter who can’t stay out of the box and has been disciplined for taking dumb penalties?? What can possibly be his thinking??
If its caps space, like many are saying, why not trade Scottie for a pick, instead of losing him AND a pick for a lesser player.
Or, keep Scottie, offer a minimal salary in the summer or lose him to another team as a RFA and receive compensatory picks.

Scottie was a high energy player who didn’t score often but did score timely goals and brought a lot of fire to the lineup. Not to mention he was a fan favorite. How is he and a 2nd rounder worth Carcillo??

Rangers got Antropov for a 2nd alone!! I would have made that deal. Put Antropov, 6’6 with Briere and Giroux. Boom, that sounds like a threatening 3rd line. Antropov actually has a bit of an offensive upside. Why couldn’t homer make a deal such as this?!?

Homer had the brain of Homer Simpson on this one….Flyers fans are NOT happy! Have not read one positive comment after this trade occured.

I can’t imaging there wasn’t a better player available for Upshall and a 2nd. Disgrace to Upshall, Disgrace to the Flyers, and disgrace to the fans….by far, the WORST trade of this deadline….please comment

45 Responses to The Worst Trade of the Deadline

  1. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    I'm as baffled as you are. Holmgren put himself so air tight to the cap that he had to give up good players as well as picks.

    Out: Metropolit, Vaananen, Upshall
    In: Carcillo, McLaren

    If I didn't now any better I'd think the flyers were sellers to be honest. One of the worst deadlines in that teams history for sure.

  2. greatlife15 says:

    I'd have taken Upshall and a 2nd for Antropov!

  3. greatlife15 says:

    Talking about RFAs and a bit off topic but if Grabovski walks this summer as an RFA, and gets I think it was 2.625, do the Leafs get a 1st and 3rd as compensation? Think Burkie is thinking about that?

  4. markjohnston says:

    easily the worst trade of the deadline.

    he probably could have got antropov AND jamal mayers for a 2nd and a 3rd (plus a player or two for salary).

    that would have given you guys a scorer and the added toughness that holmgren was apparently seeking.

    hell, you probably could have had antropov, poni, may and mayers for a 1st rounder and you could have dumped whatever salary you wanted.

    I have to say, all the trades seemed pretty even today except this one, which was WAY out. the shneider deal was a bust too I think. mtl was fleeced.

  5. flyersfan10897 says:

    I disagree.

    I didn't like that a 2nd round pick got thrown in, but the Flyers like to be tough, and Carcillo definitely brings that.  Another thing that the Flyers do is allow their players to go somewhere else when they aren't getting the time in Philly.
    Upshall, who was a drafted 6th overall, is probably good enough to be a 50 point, 2nd line player, but he will never get those minutes in Philly.  They did the same thing with Patrick Sharp, and look at him now.  I like the pick-up of Carcillo.  The Flyers have several players that have had long-term, if not career threatening injuries, in Gagne, Briere, Parent, and Jones.  They just wanted to beef up for the playoffs.  And face it, no one wants to play against a team with Scott Hartnell, Aaron Asham, Riley Cote, and Daniel Carcillo on the ice for 30-40 minutes of a 60 minute game.
    I like the pick-up of McLaren, too, if he can still play.  He at least seems worth a 6th rounder anyway.  In my opinion, I hope he replaces Randy Jones.  Timonen, Coburn, Carle, Parent, Alberts, and McLaren would make for a pretty solid group, especially if Coburn and Alberts keep up the physical play.
    I am a little disappointed that they didn't get a goalie, like Lehtonen or Bryzgalov, but I guess that's the plan for the offseason.  I hope they go with Niittymaki in the playoffs.  He showed he can do it during the last Olympics, and he doesn't make as many stupid mistakes as Biron.
    Overall, they didn't have the cap space to do anything drastic.  Was it the perfect deadline day? No, far from it.  But it wasn't exactly Maxime Ouellet, a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder for Adam Oates, either.
  6. ranger_fan says:

    I liked it.

    NY finally got Morris who has been rumored since 2003. We got rid of Dmitri Kalinin! So goaltending is in the top tier of the league. Defense looks like:
    Redden Rozsival
    Staal     Girardi
    Mara     Morris
    Potter   Sanguinetti

    That looks good. That top pairing is our worst actually but all can put up points and contribute to the rush and with the exception of Redden, we don't have many liabilities.

    Offensively we lost our two smallest forwards and gain 6'6" Antropov. We didn't give up anything of value. We haven't done anything with our 2nd round draft choice in like 20 years! Dubinsky wasn't our 2nd rounder.

    Naslund   Gomez      Callahan
    Antropov  Drury        Zherdev
    Dubinsky Korpikoski Avery
    Sjostrom  Betts        Orr
    Bell        Anisimov    Voros

    I'd love to see Rozsival and Redden traded for nothing in the offseason and Morris resigned. And Antropov may very well be able to click with Anismov and I'd like to see them together this season.

  7. VCRMillionaires says:

    The Rangers got Antropov for a 2nd AND a conditional pick (if he re-signs with the Rangers)

  8. Rico420 says:

    yeah that Powerplay clicking at 44% efficiency since the trade really makes it look like the 2nd rounder this year that is gonna be pretty well a 3rd round pick and the 3rd rounder next year..totally got fleeced.

  9. mozzy says:

    Could have traded Lupul and a 2nd for a top 4 defenseman and moved Scottie up to 2nd line so he could reach hois potential. Don’t mention Patrick Sharp around Philly…that was just another huge Bob Clarke F’ up. And, outside of Scottie, whats with the 2nd rounder?? Holmgren got raped. This was an awful trade. Flyers are already penalized enough, don’t need the leading PIM guy.

    You can’t hoenstly believe Homer couldn;’t have gotten a much better deal for Upshall and a 2nd…

    And McLaren will not be able to skate at NHL playoff pace…he may see 4 mins a game…

  10. HABSSTAR says:

    I think the conditional pick is actually dependent on how the Rangers do in the playoffs not if Antropov re-signs with them.

  11. habswinthecup-again says:

     What are you talking about?

  12. LeafsNation91 says:

    Restricted Free Agents, if players are offered money, and the team does not match what is the compensation.

    He wants to know if Grabovsko signs with another team, what is the compensation.
  13. leafy says:

    Everybody hold on a minute!  This Carcillo guy is just plain nasty to play against….exactly the kind of guy you need for the playoffs. Kind of reminds us of Kenny Linseman or Dale Hunter.  It's murder to play against these types of guys.  Even if you don't get nailed or cheap shot against, you're always thinking about it. In a way, I can see what Holmgren was thinking.

  14. habswinthecup-again says:

     You are right of course, but I was thrown off by the $ amount he was asking about because there is no way that anybody in the NHL will pay Grabovski that much at this stage of his career.

  15. LeafsNation91 says:

    Yeah, we really don't know what he might ask though…

    Moore asked for 3 million
  16. habswinthecup-again says:

     That is true, and who knows if Grabo has a good last month of the season then a team probably would give him that much money.

  17. habswinthecup-again says:

    If Carcillo plays for the Flyers like he did for the Yotes then you Flyer fans will have an immediate new favorite because he is exactly the type of player and  person that Philadelphia loves. I give it 1 week and you will be asking Scotty who? oh and who cares about the draft pick?

  18. reinjosh says:

    actually thats a pretty good indication of what he will look for and probably go for
    david backes had 34 points last year and turned it into 2.5 million
    grabovksi is on pace for 41 points and because this is his first true season i would bet a team who wants a cheap 2nd line center with potential would put out an offer sheet on him for 1.75 – 2 million
    so his money wasnt that far of a stretch

  19. reinjosh says:

    it really isnt that bad a trade
    given the fact that carcillo had one less goal then upshall last year, 5 less assist and played in 4 less games
    he brings grit, toughness and 3rd line scoring at an affordable price
    good deal for the flyers in my opinion
    why trade lupul for a draft pick that may or may not develop
    when you could get someone who can play the third line and add toughness
    and for those who think they should have got antropov
    hes not a third line player and you needed a third line player to play third line minutes (as much as i would have liked to have upshall and a 2nd)

  20. LEAFSLEAFSLEAFS1967 says:

    Depending on how far the Rangers go into the playoffs, Antropov could end up with a 2nd and 3rd (because of the conditional pick) on his own so Mayers could have added slightly more. Mayers isn't exactly a tough guy. He is tough once in a while, but invisible when he isn't, so I doubt they would take him. Probably could have traded Antro and Poni for a 1st since Antropov alone got a 2nd plus conditional.

    Even I have to say the Schneider deal has improved this team so much, along with the re-emergence of Kovalev and the amazing play of Halak (Price was HORRID again tonight!) to give them a 4 game streak until tonight's loss, Schneider is a key component to their success. They had moved up 7 spots in PP rankings up until tonight's game since acquiring him.

  21. LEAFSLEAFSLEAFS1967 says:

    Antropov will play center or right wing, he doesn't play on the left, and he was even called today to see which position he would like to play. It's going to be tough with all the centers in there, but he may get it over a guy like Callahan or Avery, seeing as he becomes the 3rd highest in points and highest in goals on the team. (I like Callahan but not quite top 6 yet)

    Naslund – Gomez – Zherdev
    Dubinsky – Drury – Antropov
    Avery – Korpikoski – Callahan
    Voros – Betts – Sjostrom

    Extras – Orr

    Anisimov and Bell are in Hartford as well as Potter and Sanguinetti, and you only get 4 recalls, you think they will use them on all these 4?

  22. UsedandAbused says:

    As a Flyers fan I have to honestly say this trade is worse then the Adam Oates Deal. Atleast with Adam we got the NHL leader in assist for that season. This trade just angers me as I was a BIG upshall fan. Also can someone explain the 2nd?

  23. davey says:

    Are you kidding? I love what's happened to the Yankees on ice. They can barely afford to put Briere back on the ice now, imagine how bad they're going to be in 2 years when the cap takes a dive. Maybe they should've paid for an upgrade from Robert Esche by now rather than jacking up the prices of slightly talented forwards?

  24. davey says:

    If it weren't for the Rangers Sean Avery would never have played in the NHL again………One look at what's happened to the Stars since he was dumped should speak volumes to what's going to happen to the Rangers because they gave him another job. They were going bad as it was, they didn't upgrade at all, and once again just added without considering chemistry. Avery is the cancer that takes the Rags out of the race for the East- and I for one love it.

  25. hockeyhead says:

    youre wrong.  and all flyer fans are wrong.

    this makes the flyers an even more pain in the ass to play against.

    what did they need upshall for anyway?

    and carcillo can play aswell as aggitate.

    hartnell and carcillo just to name two on that team……and youre *****ing?

    wow.  i dont want my team to play them.

  26. LeafsNation91 says:

    But then again, the real question comes up…

    Do we, or do we mot keep him?
  27. LeafsNation91 says:

    It's a could trade for you guys really, you guys freed up some salary, and Cacillo is a role player, watch his grit in the playoffs, it should payoff.

  28. greatlife15 says:

    Ya sorry if I wasn't a bit clearer I just wanted to know what Grabovski was worth.

    I did a bit of research and I got it off this hockey forum that if a RFA is offered 2-3 mil a season, then the previous team (the Leafs) would get a 1st and a 3rd. I'd take the 1st and 3rd and run to be honest because we paid a 2nd to get him and he's pretty greedy with the puck. So let him walk for a 1st and 3rd and you've got a nice little return!

  29. ranger_fan says:

    I think those are the candidates. I don't think Colton Orr has missed a game this season and I think any fan will take him over Voros. Voros was also on waivers so I'm not sure if he is on the active 23 or just accompanying the team. Rissmiller is another option from Hartford but I think Anisimov is ready to step in if needed.

  30. ranger_fan says:

    I agree that if it wasn't for NY – Avery would be out of the NHL. I actually prefer it that way. But something to consider is half of the team likes Avery, and their record with him is tough to dispute. This team needs something to get going and it may be Sean Avery. Plus we need to beat the Devils and Sean upsets Brodeur like no one else.

    Our two issues were defense (which means getting rid of Kalinin) and size on the scoring lines. Mission somewhat accomplished. Torts just started to implement the system so adding new faces right now is really not much of an issue. If Tom Renney were still a coach, it could be because Morris and Antropov would have a lot to catch up on.

  31. ranger_fan says:

    It depends what kind of goaltending they get. I think the Rangers can match up with them.

  32. hockeyhead says:

    oh, no doubt.  id take henry over just about anyone.

    the flyers goalie situation is bad like the bruins.

    but as far as a pain in the ass up front…..the flyers are nasty.

    grit and talent wins in the playoffs more times than not.

  33. ranger_fan says:

    They have grit, but the Rangers have Colton Orr who can fight with the best of them, and enough energy guys who can return the hits like Dubinsky, Callahan and Avery can hold his own. The Flyers will advance if they have goaltending and can force the other team to take bad penalties and capatalize on the man advantage. But the team who beats the Flyers had better do it in no more than 5 games or they will not advance any more.

    The Bruins have enough size on the blue line to handle the Flyers. They just need their smaller forwards to be productive and that will determine their fate.

  34. LeafsNation91 says:


  35. alpalstewart says:

    geez i wish the oilers got that for stortini.   lol

  36. HABSSTAR says:

    Very true. 

    Only thing that might affect it is if the GMs get a case of the nervs on account of the uncertainty on the cap. 

    Either way… maybe you guys get the picks for him, maybe you get to sign him for cheap.  Not a bad position to be in.

  37. LEAFSLEAFSLEAFS1967 says:

    Yeah I wasn't sure between Voros and Orr because I don't know much about either, either way they are 4th liners so they won't be impact guys. I just think they will give the young guys in Hartford the rest of the season down there and only call them up in emergencies because of that ridiculous rule of having a limit on recalls.

  38. LEAFSLEAFSLEAFS1967 says:

    The Rangers have chemistry? Is that why Renney had to be fired? Trust me this team needs a shakeup and NY did pretty well with Avery, as much as he has been a joke so far off the ice, if he has really changed it could be a good move, plus he has skill at the NHL level and is valuable when he uses it. He's going to give them some real character, and you can't really mess up chemistry that wasn't there in the first place.

  39. HABSSTAR says:

    I believe the proper term in "the poor man's NY Rangers"  and not "Yankees on Ice" when refering to the Flyers.

    Got to hand it to them though… they are trying.

  40. habswinthecup-again says:

     Sorry, but Stortini is only half the player that Carcillo is.

  41. cam7777 says:

    no kidding.  and we could have given upshall all the ice time he wanted to prove himself leading up to the end of his rfa contract…

  42. cam7777 says:

    you can't really argue with his price-tag either.  if he works out in new york, someone might have to do an inquiry into whether this whole scenario was planned.  how perfect is it for glen sather that he was going to let avery walk on account of money, avery goes and finds the money, avery forces the team who paid him to put him on re-entry waivers, and returns to where he never wanted to leave in the first place….

    i know that's ridiculous, and surely not planned, but man it sure worked out smoothly for the new york rangers. 

  43. alpalstewart says:

    yea your right. but carcillo is more of a loose cannon.i guess we could throw in shremp.

  44. nosnow_here says:

    Sorry to burst your bubble but now you have an even bigger liability in Morris.  He is hurt all the time, doesn't fight much anymore, and +- isn't that good.

    Have fun with him.

  45. hockeylegend488 says:

    wish the oil woulda picked up j stall from pens

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