Think outside the BOX – Line up

Hi everybody, it’s my first writing out here but I’m reading you guys at least once by week. I heard about Things like Marleau (that I found would be the best pick for Montréal since 2 years, bu they won’t do it), Briere, Yashin, Drury…. You don’t find that all this is too easy to think and that something more underground or just more flashy could happen. Bob never thinks like the Habs fans and everytime he did a move we are all surprised or chocked. So Here quickly what I’m seeing the habs could do.

1-I really like the specific skills of Ryder as his shots and his famous quick hands move before the shot called in french ” la cueillère”. However, I don’t think he has a real effect on a team (he is not a positive or negative effect , its neutral). So I see the Habs trading him this summer because he still has value and has 2-3 great years recently. Trade him for salary cap space or for a big forward to hit on the fourth line.

2-Trade Huet for salary cap space. I do really like him and Im persued that he is a great goaltender with specific psychologic skills under pression. However, we have to trade him because we got two other great goaltenders cheaper than him. More, Huet is kind of cheap and a lot of team are searching for a goaltender.

3-Don’t sign any D-man, those of this year are not the one we need for a long term shot and i dont see a D-man of this year UFA that will have a specific effect like a Niedermayer, Markov, Pronger, Kaberle, Lidstrom….The only one I would sign and I won’t do it because he is too expensive and guess who it is…. Souray!

4-Do anything to sign at any price Briere. This will send a big message to the NHL fraternity of player that the Habs are now in the game for the stanley cup and that they are serious. Players will know that the Habs want to win and are able to pay. More, it is an investment that you won’t lose with this guy. He is a perfect ambassador, intelligent player, not really injured, a leader and finally a quebecer. We need that guy with the same kind of contract than Richards and Lecavalier had in Tampa.

5-Surprising, I will sign Paul Kariya. It’s been a long time I’m saying that the habs have to sign that guy. He’ll ask for a contract that is acceptable for the Habs. More, I see a perfect fit with the Carbo’s system and how Kariya is playing.

6-I’ll make a prediction : Kostitsyn will probably force the management team to give him more ice time on the PP and ont the first 2 top line. This guy was incredibly good in the last game of this year, he has sweet hands, one of the 3 best hockey sense in the Habs organisation, a bombing shot and finally he is a big guy. Don’t be surprised if this guy become at the end of this year the kind of player that Malkin is. The difference between both, Malkin is a natural scorer and Kostitsyn a natural playmaker.

Here my ideal line up for the habs next year…preparing the table for 2009-2010 when our kids will all grow.

FORWARDS:
1-Kariya Brière Latendresse (physical aspect )

2-Higgins Koivu Kovalev

3-A. Kostitsyn Lapierre Plekanec (he is a winger in reality)

4-Ferland (physical) Begin Grabovsky

D-man:

1-Markov Côté (he is ready and he has great defensive skills, and big guy, it helps the hab to seperate their talent in d-man)

2-Komisarek Streit (wow this guy is incredibly good, thats the best hidden secret of the nhl, make him play with Komisarek and let him go ofense and we will be surprised, no need anymore of those *****ng Pressing or Hamrlik thing)

3-Bouillon Dandenault

Goaltender

Halak / Price

This is my team and the moves I would make, what ya think????


20 Responses to Think outside the BOX – Line up

  1. royforgm says:

    First of all any good hockey fan knows that in order to reach and go far in the playoffs you need a good goaltender. Price is a great minor league goalie but has never played an nhl game yet. I think Halak did good when called upon but wouldnt be able to handle the Montreal pressure after awhile,Hut on the other hand handles the pressure well and the crowd loves him . 50% of the goals that went in on him came off his own team mates sticks( Souray….) To get rid of Huet now would be dumb to say the least. Kovalev on the other hand is dead weight,trade hime and theres your cap space. Builion is another dud, way to small and inaffective …byebye. Geting briere or Marlue would be nice but the habs wont have any success unless Carby stops running a 2 goalie system, it does not work and i dont care what anybody says. Give Huet 60 games and let him prove he is the goalie for the habd ….until price is ready in a couple of years. I would rather see Yann Danis as backup than halak any day.The Habs are on the right track by getting rid of samsanov so lets just see if they can continue to do the right things.  Patrick Roy for priminister.

  2. habsoverserver says:

    while it sounds like fun to imagine a line with kariya, briere and latendresse (heck it reminds me of lafleur, shutt, lemaire), montreal is unlikely to get kariya and briere.  a team that never got a single top free agent in their entire franchise history, isn't about to get two top guys the year after they miss the playoffs. 

    huet is the starting goalie.  you can't have a pair of netminders with no nhl experience and expect to be competitive.

    markov isn't getting paid top dollar to be paired with a rookie who is nowhere on the depth charts.   

    your third line has no defensive skills and will be a disaster.

    trading ryder – the top goal scorer – for a fourth line player – pretty much speaks for itself as to why it is stupid. 

    in all fairness, i entirely agree with what your wrote, "bob never thinks."  

  3. Habs_to_the_top says:

    Briere is not what this team needs.  More undersized forwards?  Come on.  He's a ballerina.  Ballerina Briere.  Dives too much.  Plekanec had a great year at center last year.  Especially the last half of the season.  So why move him?  Oh that's right, so Koivu can center the second line because a guy we don't need and won't get in Briere is taking over centering the first line.  Sorry to burst your bubble.  Gainey won't go after Briere.  Even if he did, he wouldn't get him.

  4. Habs_to_the_top says:

    Screw Patrick Roy.  Boo hoo, this will hurt my GAA, pull me.  Boo hoo hoo.  You didn't.  Now trade me.  I will never play here again.  Boo hoo hoo. 

    I used to love the guy.  After that I lost all respect for him.  What a baby.  He was supposed to be the backbone of our organization for many years, and because in his eyes he was bigger than the Habs organization he wanted out.  ROY FOR PRIMINISTER!…of India.

  5. loco42 says:

    Gainey will get the leftovers, players that 29 teams did not want, like Samsonov. Look what that gives us.

  6. BigBrother2 says:

    Oh look! Another hopefull Habs fan who doesn't want to face reality.

    There are a couple of problems with your solutions. First off, you are asking that Gainey trade two of our main players for cap space purposes. We aren't getting anything back? That's bad. Also, trading Huet is a total mistake. He has one year left on his contract. Guess why! Because it's his last year (probably) before Halak/Price takes his spot for a loss less that what he cost (not that much less for Price as he is scheduled to make more than 2M$/year in the NHL).

    Also, just like a lot of hopefull fans, you think that a good player, just because he is from Quebec, can make a world of difference. Let's face it, Brière had a wonderful year with the Sabres… but we aren't the Sabres. We don't play the same game as they do so we can't expect him to ramp up the same numbers. Expect a 15-20% decrease (which, at 78-80 pts, would still be more than any of our players).

    And finally, you are putting a lot of pressure on your D to compensate for Souray departure by brigning in… Coté? you expect him to be our second QB on PP? Really? Wow. I hope you know more about him than I do cause the last time I checked his stats he only had 3 goals and 9 assists in 68 games in the AHL. I can't see him become the threat at the blue line in the NHL.

    Kariya… hell yeah. I would love to get this guy. But if we are realiztic (and I was when i wrote "summer situation" we have 5 spots to fill and 12 M$ (IF the cap get up to 48M$, adjust when we'll get the real numbers) so if we get Kariya, we won't have Brière. I wouldn't complain with any of the two and if Kariya get the nod, then I say bring back Higgins as a center (his natural position) and hope to have him ready to take Koivu spot in 4 years.

    Anyway, an interesting article but, let's face it, there is no way the Habs will trade players for nothing… and I can't see two major trades like that happening this summer. MAYBE Ryder is someone offer an interesting deal but… I'd be surprised

    take care

  7. maudsley says:

    Ribbit Ribbit do i hear a bad move. It doesnt matter who you get just remeber to Win against the leafs in the last game of the year. Sign yashin, a lazy allstar who plays like he doesnt care, kinda like Kovalev. Why briere, paired with koivu  you would have the smallest teams.It would be like watching frogs on Coke. Either way your granny..sorry Gainey will make a bad decision .

  8. maudsley says:

    ****I meant to say "win against the leafs in the last game of the season*** typo;)

  9. mrdude75 says:

    I'm going to have to agree on that one. No self-respecting player would ever want to play in the toilet of the NHL, by toilet i obviously mean montreal. 

  10. mrdude75 says:

    A lazy passive floater like Yashin would be perfect in montreal

  11. maudsley says:

    Such wisdom from mrdude75. Thats describing the habs being nice. The habs stink, move them to Quebec City and have a reall chance at bringing the cup back to Quebec.

  12. Robby says:

    I know it sounds strange my solution. I dont do this for this year but im preparing next year. We know that whatever we do this year we wont win the cup so lets prepare 2008-2009. We better trade Huet right now, we wont win anyway, give ice time to both other goalies. After that, im saying not to sign a D man because there is not a D man of the caliber we need, lets wait for next year when our team will be ready.

    For Briere, its not because he is French Canadian, I would say the same thing for Drury that is my second pick. Both got nice quality the habs need. Drury : leader, makes a lot of winning goal, he is at his best in playoff. Briere is just exciting to see and im expecting him to a 80-85 points with the hab, not the 95 he did this year. Serioustly forget the french canadian thing im not those kind of freaky quebecer that wants absolutely a quebecer, I am before everything a guy that wants the best player.

    For Ryder, he wont be there in 2008-2009 and im not seeing im in the habs future. He is a good player, thats it, he is not the kind of player that makes the difference. The reason why I wanted to trade both for nothing is for cap space to sign kariya and briere. I know its impossible to do that because Bobs has to do that in 3 days …but, in theory, my proposal is logical .

    For Coté, yes i know him a bit but it is not the reason why im doing that. If you had red what i wrote, I was saying that komisarek will be the defensive guy to permit Streit to be more offensive and play on the second PP. Bouillon and Dandenaul;t are the defensive duo and Im only placing Coté with Markov to equilibrate the duos. Markov is the best and Coté the spot 6. Coté proves in the AHL that he is very solid in defense. So , let markov go offense and Coté do the defense job. So we have three equilibrate duos and 2 goalers that are learning and progressing with the other kid. The year after, it will be time, when one of both goaler will be ready, to sign a top D man to complete the puzzle.

    Think about it, the habs wont win this year, the D man available are good but not excellent and this is a good year for offensive player. More, a lot of team need goaltender so if we dont want to lose Huet for nothing next year it is our best time to trade him. Im not saying my plan represent the best team for next year but probably the best plan for the next 4-5 years.

    Thanks

  13. ptitrusse says:

    Latendresse – Brière – Kovalev 1st line: Latendresse with his physic, could bothered the gaoler, Brière is a great playmaker so he could pass the puck to Kovy who can score or he can give it back to Brière who can score too.  Latendresse will learned with experienced players Ryder – Koivu – Higgins 2nd line: We already know what they can do! Kostitsyn – Pleckanec – Grabovski 3rd line: Imagine one of the fastest line in the NHL. Grabovski is a great scorer like Kostitsyn. Pleckanec is a great playmaker who can deliver a great pass or score a goal Bégin – Lapierre – UFA or rookie   4th line: A line who can hit hard and who has amazing grit.    Markov – Komisarek 1st duo: Markov is one heck of a player and he did well last year with Komisarek so let’s put them together again. Streit – Preissing 2nd duo: Streit is a great hidden secret and I think he can learn well with a player who has experience. Preissing can score 40 points in a season. Hope he can influence Streit. Bouillon – Dandenault   3rd duo: They were good last year. But I don’t like Dandenault if they can deal him in a package deal, we could put a young D-man like Georges, O’Byrne, Emelin, Fischer and maybe McDonagh in a few years. Price – Huet     Gaolkeepers: Huet is a good goalie but we don’t know if he can be in front of the net for the whole season. So we could try Price and if he his ready and good let him be in front of the net for the whole season.   P.S. Lots of interesting facts:  – For an organization without leadership (like fans says), the Canadian has the player who won the trophy King Clancy (for the player having contributed for the society and having the best leadership on and outside ice).  – Also, the Canadian has three captains of national teams (Kovalev = Russia, Streit = Swiss and Koivu = Finland)  – Finally, Kovalev, a player which we say that he plays 1 match out of 4 (it is funny, with time it passed from 1game out of 2, to 1 match out of 3, maintaining 1match out of4 and I hear sometimes 1 game out of 5) score a disappointing 47 points. Imagine now that he played each one of his games. We take his poor 47 and multiply it by 4, for a total of 188 points. Do you believe Alexei Kovalev is able to make 188 points in one year? I don’t think so! But he can make an easy 70 points or maybe 80! Then, before throwing numbers like that randomly, think a bit and turn your fingers 7 times above the keyboard.

  14. ptitrusse says:

    Latendresse – Brière – Kovalev
    1st line: Latendresse with his physic, could bothered the gaoler, Brière is a great playmaker so he could pass the puck to Kovy who can score or he can give it back to Brière who can score too.  Latendresse will learned with experienced players. 

    Ryder – Koivu – Higgins
    2nd line: We already know what they can do!
     
    Kostitsyn – Pleckanec – Grabovski
    3rd line: Imagine one of the fastest line in the NHL. Grabovski is a great scorer like Kostitsyn. Pleckanec is a great playmaker who can deliver a great pass or score a goal. 

    Bégin – Lapierre – UFA or rookie  
    4th line: A line who can hit hard and who has amazing grit.    

    Markov – Komisarek
    1st duo: Markov is one heck of a player and he did well last year with Komisarek so let’s put them together again. 

    Streit – Preissing
    2nd duo: Streit is a great hidden secret and I think he can learn well with a player who has experience. Preissing can score 40 points in a season. Hope he can influence Streit. 

    Bouillon – Dandenault  
    3rd duo: They were good last year. But I don’t like Dandenault if they can deal him in a package deal, we could put a young D-man like Georges, O’Byrne, Emelin, Fischer and maybe McDonagh in a few years. 

    Price – Huet    
    Gaolkeepers: Huet is a good goalie but we don’t know if he can be in front of the net for the whole season. So we could try Price and if he his ready and good let him be in front of the net for the whole season.  

     
    P.S. Lots of interesting facts:  – For an organization without leadership (like fans says), the Canadian has the player who won the trophy King Clancy (for the player having contributed for the society and having the best leadership on and outside ice).  
    – Also, the Canadian has three captains of national teams (Kovalev = Russia, Streit = Swiss and Koivu = Finland) 
     
    – Finally, Kovalev, a player which we say that he plays 1 match out of 4 (it is funny, with time it passed from 1game out of 2, to 1 match out of 3, maintaining 1match out of4 and I hear sometimes 1 game out of 5) score a disappointing 47 points. Imagine now that he played each one of his games. We take his poor 47 and multiply it by 4, for a total of 188 points. Do you believe Alexei Kovalev is able to make 188 points in one year? I don’t think so! But he can make an easy 70 points or maybe 80! Then, before throwing numbers like that randomly, think a bit and turn your fingers 7 times above the keyboard.

  15. habsrock_19 says:

    yes i like this line-up a lot except the defense i like preissing but we need either shneider or rafalski but rafalski wont signt in MTL but shnieder might casue lets afce it he probably wont go to detroit and theres no better place for him to retire in than montreal.

  16. passionch says:

    I don't think Kariya is interested in coming to a team that didn't make the playoffs last year.  He'll sign for big bucks but that guy wants to win the cup.  Briere rejected a 5M/year for 5 seasons and has said he is going to test the market so unless Gainey is willing to spend over 6.5M on a player, he's not coming either.  Gainey doesn't do flashy moves anyway.

    Our best bet is to focus on star players that are in the range of 4-5M.  We should be able to acquire 2-3 of them now with the 50.3M salary cap…  Also, we can't expect any of the players we sign this offseason (if any) to have better stats in a defensive-minded team like the Habs.  Thus, we need a player who can score and handle his own end.

    In the worse case scenario, Bob would just be patient like he's always been and the Habs enter the new season unchanged and miss the playoffs by a point…  Someone mentionned how the Ducks won the cup by having an active GM who brought in Nierdermayer, Pronger and Selanne. 

    If I was Gainey, I would to the following this off-season (Ah, so fun!):

    – Sign #3 center Handzus or Belanger instead of going for big contracts…
    – Sign 2 #3-4 defenceman D. Markov and/or Preissing and/or Hannan
    – Sign UFA 3rd line LW like Kozlov (Viktor), Nieminen
    – Sign our UFAs Danis, Cote, Dancevic and Johnson
    – Sign our RFAs Ryder, Gorges, Plekanec, Locke, Milroy, Ferland, Archer and Sanford
    – Forget Souray and the rest of our UFA not even worth mentioning
    – Draft the 2 best forwards available in the 1st round (12th and 22nd)
    – Make a minor deal during draft day to get a bit of excitement for fans…
    – If possible, trade Kovalev for picks since he will be unhappy playing in the 3rd line and keep Johnson in 3rd line
    – Move up Ferland or Milroy from minors to fill 4th line RW

    G. Latendresse – S. Koivu – M. Ryder
    A. Kostitsyn – T. Plekanec – C. Higgins
    V. Kozlov/V. Nieminen – M. Handzus/E. Belanger – A. Kovalev
    S. Begin – M. Lapierre – M. Johnson
    Repl: Milroy, Ferland, Grabovski, Chipchura

    A. Markov – M. Komisarek
    D. Markov/T. Preissing/S. Hannan – M. Streit
    F. Bouillon – M. Dandenault
    7th: J. Gorges, J.-P. Cote

    C. Huet
    J. Halak
    Repl: Y. Danis (Let's keep Price as no.1 in Hamilton)

    Not much changes just like how Gainey works and improved team with cap space for trade deadline moves.  After this season, all our young guns should be mature enough to step it up and do some real damage.

    Thanks for reading!

  17. passionch says:

    Ah my bad on these comments, was made pre-draft…
    – Draft the 2 best forwards available in the 1st round (12th and 22nd)
    – Make a minor deal during draft day to get a bit of excitement for fans…
    – If possible, trade Kovalev for picks since he will be unhappy playing in the 3rd line and keep Johnson in 3rd line
    Such a shame we went to get d-men when we can just get them via free agency…  I would always draft the best players available before what my team needs because there is a high chance (80%+?) none of them will stay their entire career with the same organization.

  18. maudsley says:

    why would any one want to go out as a Hab, If he wants to go out proud, sign with the leafs, he would ruin his career in montreal, well so  would briere.

  19. ferron says:

      How's this for Outside the box line up! I say if i was Gaigney i would do wath the Flyers did, sign multiple players from the same team "Detroit" i would make an offer to Bertuzzi(4mil/year for two years), D.Markov(4mil/year for 4 years) and also Lang(3.2 mil/year for two years). We(habs) have around 14.5 mil left to spend and these guys would cost us around 11mil/year and would already have some kind of chemistry and i don't think would refuse that kind of MONEY!

    Higgins-Koivu-Ryder
    Bertuzzi-Lang-Kovalev
    Latends-Lapierre-Chipchura
    Grabs-Plekanec-Kostitsyn/Begin/Milroy/Locke/Lahti

    Markov-Markov
    Streit-Komisarek
    Bouillon-O'byrne/Dandenault/Gorges/Archer maybe give Valentenko a few games just to get a taste the next Volchenkov!

    Huet/Halak?Danis/Price

    I also think that Huet will be traded at the next deadline IF Halak and Price Keep up the good work. As for Danis he will be a very good Goalie in NHL, lots of you lost faith but he played 6 games in NHL and has 2 SO and 4 wins, he never had a bad season in AHL he was doing the work and taking the Bulldog to the cup before Price showed up, i think that Danis would of won the the Calder cup even if Price hadn't be there, at the exception of a few games the Bulldoggs where winning there games by scores of 4-1 and 6-2. I hope we don't trade him to  a teams from the est or he could hurt us one day, the worst thing is the Habs probably wont get much for him.Mtl are set for years to come at "D" with guys like Emelin, Valentenko, O'Byrne, Archer,  Fisher, McDonagh Markov, Komisarek, Carle, White ect……

  20. passionch says:

    You know, that's not such a bad idea.  Hell, if we could, we could try to get both Drury and Briere and then we'd have a pretty good team except they would have big contracts for 2 players… 

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