Time to Let Go.

For the Rangers and the draft over the last 6-7 years it has not been very good. And if Sather was smart he’d stop holding on to a miracle.

With the Rangers 11 points out, and a need to rebuild badly…… It’s time to drop in the standings.Over the last 6-7 years the rangers just have fallen out of the playoff’s … leaving them with mid round picks, such as 14 pick like last year.

Now Mid round picks are not always great, even around the 10th pick mark.

Good picks come in the top 5 most of the time and even late in the draft when you can snatch up sleepers somewhat like O’Sullivan (top 2nd round pick)from last years draft, who should have went before the 2nd round.

It’s hurt the Rangers every year.. Never grabbing a top prospect and always settling for picks that were just overall lined up for them.

Kovelav is a free agent and should go for something … anything, he has to many problems in NY.

As of now the Rangers sit with the 6th pick overall in the first round. A very good pick I might add. But if we look at it.. the Rangers if they started early with a fire sale may be able to drop to the 4th pick and by the draft maybe move up to 1st or 2nd with a good trade, and then grab a Great 2 way player like a Heatly.

Carolina (51pt.) could move past the rangers with an all out fire sale. Washington (48pt.)could just move past them even with there fire sale going. Even Columbus (46pt.)may catch up… all within range of the Rangers.

Sather holding on to this team could hurt a top 6-7 overall pick. If he goes for it and keeps most till the trade deadline … the Rangers may just move up, but again they will miss the playoffs and be stuck with that same ol’ mid round pick which has hurt the teams future every year.


90 Responses to Time to Let Go.

  1. trailerparkboys says:

    On paper their the right players , I can’t answer Why it boggles my mind!! Maybe they need a couple of lunch pailers guy’s who go into the corner and come out with the puck.

    Something happened on the plane with those player’s on their way to NY . “THAT TEAM SHOULD WIN” !!!!

    Bubbles out…….

  2. desertdog says:

    that’s fine and dandy, but it’s not what you said.

  3. desertdog says:

    reread your article…no talk of young guys getting time in the pros, only how the rangers should lose games to get a better draft pick.

  4. GretzNYR99 says:

    They need to rebuild, plain and simple. What they’re doing now isn’t working, and Sather needs to swallow his pride and step down as a coach. It’s not 1984, it’s 2004, Slatshole. I think the players that would generate the best returns are…

    Jagr – Eat $2-$3 mill a year and this sniper could help out a contender that needs offense. Maybe a good young player or prospect, possibly even 2 or more could come in return.

    Leetch – I think his contract goes into next year, and he’d be perfect for a team like Colorado or Toronto. St. Louis was a team that I had consideration for, but I don’t think they’re going to make the playoffs if the injury bug keeps hitting them. Could get a good young player in return. Maybe a top prospect.

    Kovalev – A good playoff rental being that he’s a UFA after this season. Hope for a high draft pick, maybe a first rounder if we’re lucky. Being in the doghouse and not producing doesn’t help his trade value out.

    Barnaby & Simon – 2 tough guys who can occasionally score and play decent defensively could help out a team like Ottawa. A 4th round draft pick or a mid tier prospect could come in return.

    Poti – A good young offensive defenseman who needs fine tuning on his defensive and physical games, could generate a bit of a return. What that return would be is somewhat unclear, could be a lot of different things. NHL level player, prospect, pick…

    Rucinsky – Played well with the Rangers, his plus minus numbers are up there, and his points are good on a team that holds no coherency or chemistry to it. 4th or 4th round pick does the trick.

    Nedved – In the doghouse too much, but if Lang isn’t going to Detroit, Nedved could find himself there for a 3rd round pick.

  5. ranger_fan says:

    Got to hang on to Leetchy! Forever a Ranger!

  6. ranger_fan says:

    the future seasons, lockout permitting for one

  7. MAniac29 says:

    Now to say the only good players from a draft that was just 2 seasons ago is jumping the gun a bit don’t you think? Ryan Whitney will be a great Dman for the Pens, and I am sure most other teams still plan on their first round picks from that season to do a lot for them. The guys you listed (all top 5’s) are for the most part the only guys that have played…

  8. MAniac29 says:

    Detroit is not deep on any prospects at all. And Grigorenko was in that accident and I thought they weren’t even sure that he would ever play again. I am sure that Hockey’s Future hasn’t been updated since that time, and I bet money he is the top prospect…Hudler is probably up there too, and Detroit would be nuts to trade their only true top teir offensive prospect…

  9. MAniac29 says:

    WAY too early to even speculate about Jessiman being a bust…for real…what are you basing that on. The only way I accept that comment is if you know hockey very well, not just statistics, but the game, and you see more than 40% of Jessiman’s games. Full games, not highlights..

  10. MAniac29 says:

    Just want to mention that no team in the NHL will be able to trade for the first overall pick this year. The Rangers would have to offer their first, Blackburn, and Lundmark to get a team to even listen. I hope you know of Alexander Ovechkin. This year will be the toughest to get the first pick since Lemieux.

  11. RangerSteve says:

    Remember say eh about 20 years ago, the Penguins dropped in the standings so they could draft some guy named Lemieux. That was stupid, right?

  12. mikster says:

    Ughh…Lundmark missed like 5 to 6 weeks? Something like that.

    Also, he had to try and get his vets going when they were still in the race. Putting Kovalev on the 3rd line would not help one bit.

  13. mikster says:

    Consider the lottery as a factor though.

  14. kuntakentai1 says:

    Great Spelling this time sands!

  15. RangerSteve says:

    This brings me to my next point, Don’t smoke crack! No way I could EVER see the Rangers dealing with the Isles or Devils. If the Rangers wanted to make everythign work out for ‘small market teams’, they could EASILY pay into these contracts and as you said, the Rangers could pay more money onto Jagr’s contract. But, why would NYR want to do this? Help other teams by getting rid of contracts that they still would have to pay for? I said it before, and I’ll say it again, as long as Sather is in town, this team will NEVER rebuild and continue to go after names and stats not heart and potential.

  16. RangerSteve says:

    I completely agree with Mik here. They go by percentages to see who gets the #1 Overall pick, but who knows which ball will actually come out of the lottery? Obviously Pittsburgh will have the highest chance, but who says NYR can’t get the #1 pick? God if they did it might be a blessing in diguise! Maybe turning the corner, no wait…we’ll trade the #1 for Ron Francis….dammit…..

  17. Wills says:

    Actually Detroit is deep in prospects. Grigorenko has already played some games this year and should be back to normal by the start of the summer. He is expected to play a full year next season in the AHL or Russian elite league. McKeen just released their top 50 prospects (which included first year NHL players) and Grigorenko was number 13 on the list. Detroit has two other players on the list Kronwall and Hulder. They had the best Finland player at the WJ’s Filppula who was second in the tournament in scoring, they also had the two best forwards on the Czech team Hudler and Fleishmen, so I would say they enough young talent right now, not to mention Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

  18. desertdog says:

    no. it just shows they have no integrity.

  19. GretzNYR99 says:

    They may have no integrity, but they still won 2 cups with him.

  20. GretzNYR99 says:

    IrishRinkrat is a good friend of mine, and his father said 5 years ago that Leetch should have been traded to rebuild… boy how right he was.

    The point is, rebuild. Start over. Leetch might be a good idea keeping him to teach Tyutin, but that’s about it. I think we should try to get what we can in return and take the offer if it’s good.

  21. GretzNYR99 says:

    It’s Dolan that’s halting the rebuilding process, not Sather.

    Why do you think Smith got fired? Stood up to Dolan and told him that they needed to rebuild.

  22. GretzNYR99 says:

    It really is a shame.

  23. ranger_fan says:

    I have seen him pay quite a few times. Hes looking like Sandy McCarthy

  24. Beckfan5 says:

    Yeah, but when they were in the race Lundmark was out. If you remeber, Lundmark went down in that Islander game, the Isles were on a bad sterch and the Rangers were playing pretty good. Then collapsed after that game.

    So you cant say he had to play his vets during that strech when Lundmark wasnt available.

    Like I said, whats his excuse for not playing him in the begining of the season?

  25. Beckfan5 says:

    It was Hartford, Chicago and The Rangers.

  26. Beckfan5 says:

    Yeah, your still paying some of the contract but your getting rid of the player so a young guy can develop in his position. Jagr or someone else will be in the way of rebuilding so why not trade them for youth and let the youth develop?

    The Rangers can afford to pay part of a players remainig contract if traded.

  27. Beckfan5 says:

    If I recall, the reason why Amonte didnt win the Calder over Bure is because Bure did it basiclly all on his own. Amonte had a guy named Messier centering him.

  28. Beckfan5 says:

    That was a good one, 1st pick for Francis. HA!

    No but seriously, I hate to bring up basketball but its a good compairison: several years ago, in the early 90’s, there was a team that sucked, I think it was Orlando, that got the 1st overall two seasons in a row because they got lucky with the lottery ball coming up in their favor. If im right about Orlando, they drafted Shaq and then Chris Webber in those consecutive seasons. And even though the Clippers where absoloutley horrible, Orlando got lucky w/ the lottery.

    So I guess we should hope the Rangers get lucky for once and get the 1st pick overall……….. and then trade him for another 500 goal scorer in Ron Francis.

    Sorry RangerSteve, I had to use that one.

  29. Beckfan5 says:

    That was a good one, 1st pick for Francis. HA!

    No but seriously, I hate to bring up basketball but its a good compairison: several years ago, in the early 90’s, there was a team that sucked, I think it was Orlando, that got the 1st overall two seasons in a row because they got lucky with the lottery ball coming up in their favor. If im right about Orlando, they drafted Shaq and then Chris Webber in those consecutive seasons. And even though the Clippers where absoloutley horrible, Orlando got lucky w/ the lottery.

    So I guess we should hope the Rangers get lucky for once and get the 1st pick overall……….. and then trade him for another 500 goal scorer in Ron Francis.

    Sorry RangerSteve, I had to use that one.

  30. Beckfan5 says:

    That was a good one, 1st pick for Francis. HA!

    No but seriously, I hate to bring up basketball but its a good compairison: several years ago, in the early 90’s, there was a team that sucked, I think it was Orlando, that got the 1st overall two seasons in a row because they got lucky with the lottery ball coming up in their favor. If im right about Orlando, they drafted Shaq and then Chris Webber in those consecutive seasons. And even though the Clippers where absoloutley horrible, Orlando got lucky w/ the lottery.

    So I guess we should hope the Rangers get lucky for once and get the 1st pick overall……….. and then trade him for another 500 goal scorer in Ron Francis.

    Sorry RangerSteve, I had to use that one.

  31. Beckfan5 says:

    That was a good one, 1st pick for Francis. HA!

    No but seriously, I hate to bring up basketball but its a good compairison: several years ago, in the early 90’s, there was a team that sucked, I think it was Orlando, that got the 1st overall two seasons in a row because they got lucky with the lottery ball coming up in their favor. If im right about Orlando, they drafted Shaq and then Chris Webber in those consecutive seasons. And even though the Clippers where absoloutley horrible, Orlando got lucky w/ the lottery.

    So I guess we should hope the Rangers get lucky for once and get the 1st pick overall……….. and then trade him for another 500 goal scorer in Ron Francis.

    Sorry RangerSteve, I had to use that one.

  32. Beckfan5 says:

    Sorry, page wasnt responding so I pressed OK like 5 times.

  33. MantaRay says:

    Showcasing the Vets, LOL!!!!

    I agree you have too just dump at this point, FIRE SATHER and get a GM that knows about DRAFTING talent.

  34. MantaRay says:

    Showcasing the Vets, LOL!!!!

    I agree you have too just dump at this point, FIRE SATHER and get a GM that knows about DRAFTING talent.

  35. MantaRay says:

    Showcasing the Vets, LOL!!!!

    I agree you have too just dump at this point, FIRE SATHER and get a GM that knows about DRAFTING talent.

  36. MantaRay says:

    Good assessment.

    I don’t know who much Jagr will help a team with his lingering hammy injury. Its the same injury every year. I really think he is damaged goods and not a dependable acquisition for a playoff team.

    I can see Leetch in St. Louis with big Al gone, would be a great pairing next season with Jackman.

    I think the well has run dry in Colorado for young talent.

    I would love Kovy in NJ, Gomez could make him a scorer again. He doesn’t have that in NY.

    I love Barnaby and so does Muckler. Great fit in Ottawa. Simon….not sure if there is a market for him. Maybe Boston.

    I could see Poti in Boston, pairing with ODonnell.

    Ruscinsky would be a great addition to anyone, he has proven in the last two seasons he is a good all around player.

    Nedved, maybe a bag of pucks. I dont’ see anyone interested in him.

  37. madhippo says:

    Lindros and Leetch on the Leafs???? for Kaberle???? Speculation, but I like it all the same :)

  38. GeniushockeyKID says:

    The thing non-rangers fans on this site don’t understand is that despite the fact that they will miss the playoffs again this year, they are not in too much trouble afterwards. lets take a look;

    The following players are free agents:

    Barnaby, Bure, Kovalev, Lindros, Malakhov, Messier, Mironov, Nedved, Pushor, Rucinsky, and Simon. That’s almost 3 lines of offence and about one line of D! Honestly I feel its a strong possibility that NONE of these guys will be resigned. now how do they go about filling all of these roster spots? YOUTH!

    Players like Ortmyer, Lundmark, Murray, Tyutin, Heerema, Moore, and Nycholat will fill up most of the lines. sound like a plan for failure? it very well could mean another tough season. with all that money free i think they should bring in some older players to help out.

    First they should resign Rucinsky. He is just starting to pick up his game again and i like his speed playing with Jagr. Bolstering the defense should be their top priority. They should start by signing atleast two of the following players: Zhitnik, Carney, Schneider, Numminen, Matvichuk, Therien, Baron, Klee, and Marchment.

    Now on offense they have to be smarter than they have in the past. first let me just say that there is NO CHANCE Sather will be in ny next season. not in this city, not with these fans. someone smarter would consider the following players as replacements: G. Murray (this should be the only big one), Perrault, and Mellanby. That could even work as a great 2nd line if they were lucky enough to get all three.

    And now for the situation in goal. Dunham needs to be traded or bought out. Jussi is good, but not “starter” good and Blackburn is burnt out. if the Fernandez rumors are true then i’d be very happy. Unfortunately it might not be the goalie they need. khabibulin will be available and I expect the rangers to make a strong push for him. Salo is available also, but again I don’t think he is the answer. my biggest prediction is Hasek. he is someone who can play another 2 years, and despite his age and injuries the rangers just might take the chance. god knows they got the money to do it.

    as for coaching and the G.M. position, if coach q. gets the axe in St. Louis I would expect the rangers to be VERY interested. as far as the front office, Jim Dolan’s hiring of Isaiah Thomas (NY Knicks) might inspire a similar hiring with the rangers. Someone who can come in with an uncanny desire to do whatever it takes to win a cup. Someone who will use his ownerships resources wisely to trade for the right kind of guys.

    With all the payroll leaving in the summer, the idea of the Rangers getting some quality FA’s is not unreasonable. Then again what is unreasonable in NY? I say they’ll push for the following guys extra hard: Murray, Hasek/Khabibulin, Kariya (just like last summer), and Schneider. Fill the rest of the lines with youth, a new attitude in the front office, and a coach with a game plan and you’ve got one hell of an organization! The Future is Now!!!

    The complete (all though not completely accurate) list of FA’s that I used for this article can be found at http://www.geocities.com/floridapanthers2000/free2004.html

  39. shady_records says:

    Look at the Eastern Conference standings right now and looks who’s in the top 8. In no particular order the playoffs are already settled for the East. Buffalo will not catch up so the Habs are pretty much guaranted a playoff spot. Don’t know the matchups but these 8 teams will be in the playoffs and the others won’t. The West is much more competitive and it goes down to the last few days of the regular season.

  40. wheresthesoda says:

    I was just thinking about the rangers future and the 5 guys they need(should) build this team around are:

    1. ofcourse Jaromir Jagr. He does have a messed up groin and is 70% healthy and yet scoring goals in just about every game. jagr is one of the most talented hockey players in the NHL. Great team guy, has played very well as a ranger so far.

    2. i gotta say Bobby Holik. he is a checking center, hasnt done much of it but this season he has played very well. he is a big huge guy that can score, play good defensive hockey,take the body and piss the hell out of goalies and get them off there game. This season he is turning into one of my favorite rangers.

    3. Fedor Tyutin, yes Fedor Tyutin. this kid is young, thick body. physical player, has a heavy shot and his play in the NHL so far this year has been extrmely impressive. He is the rangers best defensive prospect, plays a extrmely well-rounded play, i like him.

    4. This was a tough decision so i gave it to 2 guys:

    brian leetch and/or danny blackburn. i had trouble with this one because leetch is old and currently blackburn is injured. tonights game JD mentioned blackburn is getting better very slowly and probaly wont need surgury on the damaged nerve in his shoulder. But Brian Leetch is a true Ranger, over this drought of no playoffs brian leetch is the only player to be on the rangers throughout all of the years.

    i hope he does not get traded, it will be a damn shame if he does, there is no1 that could make up for his absence. none of the naslunds or tanguays or broduers could make up for brian leetch, my personal favorite ranger, and in 10 years i hope they have his #2 right next to Richter’s #35 up in the rafters.

    ok…

    5. must be alexie kovalev. i recently thought the rngers have 2 trade him but i change my mind. kovalev has had a rough year, thats fine with me, he has ben back checking and lately he is shooting the puck starting to score a little more. if he keeps this up he could be a valuable asset to this team in the near and long future.

    Some other guys i would like to stay with the Rangers are: Ruchinsky,Barnaby,Mirinov and all of the kids they got are good.

    Did anyone see the Poti fight? that was awesome…by the way.. i dont want to see him as a ranger in the near future. i rather see bryce lampman be there.

    Alot of rangers are just “having one of those bad years”

    So i am guessing we supposed to say The Rangers are “Just having one of those bad decades”???

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