Toronto Maple Leafs Prospect Report

A list of prospects and what I feel there potential is in the NHL. (Tlusty and Stralman will be included to make things more interesting)

1. Luke Schenn- At best- Schenn will be a huge Scott Stevens type blue-liner, forwards will start to get sore by just thinking about his hits. He will pitch in 10 goals per season due to his hard shot on the PP.
At worst- He will become a Chris Phillips type player, he will be a fierce player, he just wont develop into a hitting machine that will strike terror into opposing forwards hearts.

2. Justin Pogge- At best- He will become a cornerstone in net for the Leafs, he will be a top goalie every year and steal 6 or 7 games per-season.
At worst- Will never fully develop and may become a journyman starter like Dwayne Roloson or Martin Biron.

3. Anton Stralman- At best- He will fill out and become a dominant offencive force on the blueline. He will play with Schenn and because of Schenn’s defenceive presence he will be able to carry the puck and create scoring opportunities. Comparable to Kaberle.
At worst- Never fills out and becomes purely a PP QB who adds little else to the game.

4. Nikolai Kulemin- At best- Becomes a 30 goal power forward who scores, hits and sets up the odd play. If his game transfers perfectly from Russia to the NHL, than he will reach his potential.
At worst- Becomes a 3rd line grinder, gets bored, and goes home to Russia.

5. Jiri Tlusty- At best- Becomes a solid top 6 forward who can pitch in 25-30 goals per season while getting 60-70 points, depending on what line he is on and who he plays with.
At worst- 10-15 goal 3rd liner who just could not find his game in the NHL.

6. Robbie Earl- At best- Develops into Jason Blake, fast, feisty and a guy who you can rely on to score 20 goals a season.
At worst- Spends his career jumping between the Leafs and Marlies.

7. Jimmy Hayes- At best- Becomes a power forward who can tip in shots, have huge hits, and score 30-40 goals. He was once considered a top 10 pick in 2008, if he gets back to whatever made him a top 10 pick than he would jump to #2 on this list.
At worst- Proves scouts correct for letting him fall so much, becomes a depth player who scores 5 goals per season. Chad Kilger minus his goals.

8. Mikhail Stefanovich- At best- His work ethic and consistency inprove and he becomes reliable for 25 goals per season. He was once considered a 1st rounder in 2008 but fell, mostly because of his work ethic.
At worst- Does not make the NHL.

9. Dmitri Vorobiev- Becomes a solid physical defencemen, who can play 15 minutes per game.
At worst- does not make the NHL.

10 Tyler Ruegsegger- Becomes a speedy 3rd liner who shows flashes of scoring consistantly but is more of a threat in the shootout.
At worst- Doesnt make the NHL.

Comments?


45 Responses to Toronto Maple Leafs Prospect Report

  1. sundin_500 says:

    Good report, but wtf is going on with jay harrison, was he not one of the leafs top prospects at one point?

  2. leafmeister says:

    Yeah but I think he is like 25 now, at best he will fill in injuries.

  3. habswinthecup-again says:

     What about Frogren?

  4. sundin_500 says:

    haha still, all Cherry does is praise him, but he's seneil:P, lol my grandma was friends with him when they were younger, apparently he was a little trouble maker:P lol

  5. mojo19 says:

    Harrison will never make it as a regular in the NHL and he was never considered a high end prospect.

  6. mojo19 says:

    Frogren is a 28 year old, veteran of the SEL.

  7. mojo19 says:

    I predict that Schenn and Hayes go on to have the best careers in the NHL.

  8. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    1. schenn has loose cannon written all over him. lets not forget the New NHL would have made scott stevens look silly. Schenn can hit, and he can play defense. If he can keep his feet moving, he'll be like chara, if he cant he'll be Jay Harrison

    2. Pogge wont become anything if he spends his whole career in the minors. Fletcher should have pawned toskala off at the deadline, and made him the starter. teams have breakthrough years because they get lucky, and they get lucky by letting their prospects play. Pogge should at least get 10 NHL starts this year, and 30 games in the fans will be screaming for it, guaranteed.

    3. Both stralman and schenn will likely play with the marlies so Finger And Kubina can play 30 minutes a night….again 30 games in the fans will get tired of this

    4. seeing as it took a guaranteed roster spot to get kulemin here, its likely he jumps to russia….sens fans called me stupid when I said the EXACT same thing about Kiagorodov….His big year was 2 years ago, last year was rough, I'm looking for 20 goals, but not expecting it…

    5. Kyle wellwoods loss is tlusty's gain. My bet is he finds his game on the PP….his 5 on 5 game still needs work.

    6. i've never understood why college players score 5 goals in 40 games, get drafted in the 6th round and become big prospects by cracking the AHL roster. There are exeptions (M. Johnson), but most low profile college players dont become players in the bigs….too small

    7. good player, needs to bulk up a bit…the AHL will do him well, he needs to get out of college hockey before his skin gets too sensitive.

    8. stefano- seems a lot like Jeremy williams…theres talent, but key skills are missing. It'll be intersting to see how he develops in the "Q"

    9. Vorobiev needs to get to NA before he gets used to playing without the likes of true power forwards…he's got a heck of a shot I'm told…

    10. See earl…ten bucks says this time 2 years from now, earl, Ruegsegger, and foster are either career AHLers or playing in the swiss league

  9. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    he's playing in the swiss leagues next year

  10. tml87 says:

    marty biron is a journeyman starter?
    he's played for two teams since 1995….

  11. leafmeister says:

    What do you mean by loose cannon? Schenn is known as a good character player and a good leader. I hardly think loose cannon would describe that type of player. I would not bet against you for saying Earl and Ruegsegger will be in the AHL or swiss league, I simply wrote the best case scenerio. Schenn will likely not become Scott Stevens, he is like Adam Foote, plus he makes a good first pass. Stralman will probably be a 2nd pairing defencemen. I think that Schenn will go back to Kelowna for another season, likely Captain the Canadians to junior gold, and than make the Leafs the next season. I see the defence as of now looking a bit like this…
    Kaberle-Kubina
    McCabe-Finger
    Stralman-Frogen

    Colaiacovo is hard to take seriously and Ian White is nothing more than a potential 3rd pairing defencmen who can QB the PP.

  12. leafmeister says:

    Alright fair enough but he hasnt always been the starter.

  13. Motherpucker says:

    Shine on you crazy diamond!  Your scouting prowess is so bright I need sunglasses just to read this journalistic masterpiece.  Let me guess…you had Tom Glavine pegged as a Cy Young winning pitcher at the 1984 NHL Entry Draft?

  14. muckies says:

    Shenn is a can't miss and i hope for suffering Leaf fans they suck this year, get his brother next year in the draft and start a Schenn era in their history and let these two studs lead them somewhere.

    The most overrated is Pogge, i think AT BEST he'll be a Martin Byron or more likely like a Martin Gerber, he isn't that great franchise goalie like people think. But the Leafs have a really solid guy right now that can stay calm in the playoffs so no worries there. 
    Grabovski is an egotistical ass and Gainey traded him because last year he told Gainey when he was in the AHL that if they didn't bring him up at that moment and play him in the NHL for the rest of the season, he would go play in Russia and never come back.
    So Gainey brought him up, gave him some first line minutes for a game or two, cut his minutes as the season went on, cut him in the playoffs and then traded him. Great asset management, the good thing for Leafs fans is they'll have minutes for him to play and keep him happy that way, but i doubt the coach will like him and i think this guy will be the new Leafs whipping boy, he's not really a team player and is soft. I just can't see him making the fans, or coach Wilson happy long term.  
  15. nordiques100 says:

    The leafs are very weak in terms of organizational depth.

    a couple more years of top 10 picks, preferably top 5 picks will do the organization some good.

    The next couple of drafts have some pretty solid high end players. Though i am not sure if it is as deep as this past year, there are some good players to be had with early picks and the leafs need to try and take advantage of that.

    they will be going nowhere this coming season. they have decent goaltending, and coach wilson may get this team to tighten up defensively but have no scoring.

    this is still a major work in progress.

    the leafs should hope that they can make something happen by the trade deadline and move a few more veteran players.

    they need more picks, more young players, more good prospects.

    schenn is a great start, khumelin, pogge and tlusty are respectable, but they have a long road ahead of them.

  16. leafmeister says:

    Yeah if the Leafs are out of the top 2 they should definatly go for Schenn, they both look like guys who you would want to build your team around.

    Maybe my worst case scenerio with Pogge was a bit high, but Pogge could definatly end up being a top goalie for years to come. Personally I think will be a solid starter who will be good enough to go through a playoff run with a good team.

  17. muckies says:

    I think the reality with Leafs management is they are trying to tank the season next year to get Tavares, but to do so they want to disguise it in a team that will try hard by getting guys like Finger, Mayers, guys the fans can be proud of, but won't really impact anything. 

  18. mojo19 says:

    Can't agree with your Pogge comments, its never a good idea to rush a young goalie. He's got years to learn, work on, and perfect that position.

    Belfour didn't have his rookie year until he was 25.
    Hasek played in the NHL for the first time at age 25 (5 games) then played 20 games a couple years and became a starter at age 28. What's the rush?

    The rest of your comments are solid, but I think Schenn won't make it at all this year and there's no way Stralman gets sent down.

  19. mojo19 says:

    Maybe, but then why offer Sundin a 1 year deal? He can make a 15th place team finish 11th-13th for sure. He did it last year…

  20. muckies says:

    I agree with that, why bring him back he'll only make matters worse from a long term plan approach. I think the fact that they traded his rights to Montreal, got a media storm going at the tradedeadline and basically left him out to hang by himself as a ton of Leafs nation turned on him for not waving his NTC, and not really sticking up for him goes to tell you everything you need to know about what Leafs managements plans are for Sundin. add to that the fcat they discussed in the media their contract offer to him, whcih no NHL team EVER does goes to show you it is all smoke and mirrors

    They disrespected one of the franchises greatest ever players, and that type of insult doesn't go away over one summer. Just goes to show you how f@%*-up the Leafs got last season. Sundin is not coming back to Toronto, they don't want him and I don't think he really wants to come back now, not after the shit-storm last year and this summer. 
  21. nordiques100 says:

    well if they dont want him, they have to come right out and say it. they arent. they are again making it look as though the player dictates how the team is going to be, not management itself. they once again look as though they are dithering and unable to make clear and decisive moves.

    they have to take the bull by the horns and make a decision. even if its not going to be very popular.

    if you have to tell arguably the best player in your history to bug off for the greater good of the franchise, so be it.

    there is no sense in hand holding and doing what is best for the player.

    it has nothing to do either with making them better or worse.

    a decision such as cutting sundin loose is simply and finally going to show the leafs have some sort of plan in place. something we havent seen in quite some time.

    it would show that management has purpose and is taking a firm direction somewhere rather than holding on to the past, wishful thinking in the present and faking us out about a future.

  22. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    the whole tanking to get a top pick, or being disgruntled after a trade request makes sense, if mats and cliff are in high school….however they're both grown men.

    Cliff wants to put a decent team on the ice, even though hes developing through the draft. plus mats is the perfect guy to have in the dressing room with a young team next year.

    Sundin knows cliff has a business to run. A few trade requests aren't going to piss him off like it would a 13 year iold girl…

    the point is mute as Sundin is about to get married….he's taking a new chapter in his life, it has retirement all over it.

  23. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    joel lundqvist is one of a hundred guys that lit it up BIG time in the "Q" but was too one dimensional to make it in the NHL. I've seen Schenn lay out the bombs, I'd like to see him do the other stuff before I call him the saviour….dont think he'll captain team canada.

    6 leaf defenseman go on waivers if they dont make the roster (and 1 cant go on waivers). Frogen, Stralman, et all will be fighting for healthy scratch rights (if evveryone is healthy)…..

  24. BLUE_AND_WHITE says:

    Stralman needs to play in a league that isn't the sissy sweedish league. he'll do good in the OHL or AHL (assuming he survives)….

    Pogge did well in the AHL. its time to move on.

  25. mojo19 says:

    He did well backing up Clemenson last year, now let's give him a couple years as the starter down there. I'm in no hurry to see Pogge play, and I'd rather bring him up once the team is a little more together. I wouldn't want to throw a young goalie into a situation with all these new guys. We don't really know how good the team will be next year. Some goalies come up to early and get killed. I'm glad that won't be Pogge.

    Stralman should just stay in the NHL, he could be the Leafs best D-man behind Kaberle by the end of the season.

  26. mojo19 says:

    Technically he hasn't always been the starter, but that wasn't because of a poor performance on his part. It was because of the emergence of Ryan Miller which forced Buffalo to trade Biron because Biron deserved to be a starter somewhere. Sheesh. Biron is a solid NHL starting goalie, when you draft a kid and he turns into a Marty Biron, you have to be pretty happy about that.

  27. lukeleim says:

    If you take a glance at the depth chart, the overabundance of depth both up front and on the back end suggests either Fletcher has a series of trades in the works or there is going to be plenty of competition at training camp. And once the season begins, there will be the impression that no one is safe. The country club atmosphere is out and accountability is in.

    Goaltenders: Vesa Toskala, Curtis Joseph

    Defensemen: Bryan McCabe, Pavel Kubina, Tomas Kaberle, Anton Stralman, Ian White, Carlo Colaiacovo, Jeff Finger, Staffan Kronwall

    Centermen – Matt Stajan, Alex Steen, Dominic Moore, Boyd Devereaux, Mikhail Grabovski

    Right Wingers: Nik Antropov, Jeremy Williams, Jamal Mayers, Nik Kulemin

    Left Wingers: Jason Blake, Niklas Hagman, Alexei Ponikarovsky, Jiri Tlusty, Mark Bell, Ryan Hollweg
    ———————————————————–
    Trade Alexei Ponikarovsky and Ian White for draft picks.

    Trade Bryan McCabe to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Jussi Jokinen.

    Jason Blake – Nik Antropov – Alexander Steen
    Niklas Hagman – Matt Stajan – Nikolai Kulemin 
    Jussi Jokinen – Mark Bell – Jamal Mayers
    Jiri Tlusty – Mikhail Grabovski – Boyd Devereaux
    —————————————————-
    Ryan Hollweg – Dominic Moore

    Tomas Kaberle – Pavel Kubina
    Jeff Finger – Carlo Colaiacovo
    Jonas Frogren – Anton Stralman
    ————————————
    Staffan Kronwall

    Vesa Toskala
    Curtis Joseph

    Prospect Depth:

    Robbie Earl – Darryl Boyce – Jeremy Williams
    Dale Mitchell – Chris DiDomenico – Jimmy Hayes
    Alex Foster – John Mitchell – Tyler Ruegsegger

    Luke Schenn – Dimitri Vorobiev
    Phil Oreskovic – Korbinian Holzer

    Justin Pogge
    James Reimer

  28. lukeleim says:

    If you take a glance at the depth chart, the overabundance of depth both up front and on the back end suggests either Fletcher has a series of trades in the works or there is going to be plenty of competition at training camp. And once the season begins, there will be the impression that no one is safe. The country club atmosphere is out and accountability is in.

    Goaltenders: Vesa Toskala, Curtis Joseph

    Defensemen: Bryan McCabe, Pavel Kubina, Tomas Kaberle, Anton Stralman, Ian White, Carlo Colaiacovo, Jeff Finger, Staffan Kronwall

    Centermen – Matt Stajan, Alex Steen, Dominic Moore, Boyd Devereaux, Mikhail Grabovski

    Right Wingers: Nik Antropov, Jeremy Williams, Jamal Mayers, Nik Kulemin

    Left Wingers: Jason Blake, Niklas Hagman, Alexei Ponikarovsky, Jiri Tlusty, Mark Bell, Ryan Hollweg
    ———————————————————–
    Trade Vesa Toskala, Jeff Finger, Alexei Ponikarovsky and Mikhail Grabovski to the Los Angeles Kings for Erik Ersberg, Jack Johnson, Patrick O’Sullivan and the Los Angeles Kings’ 3rd round draft pick of 2008.

    Trade Ian White for draft pick(s).

    Alexander Steen – Patrick O’Sullivan – Nik Antropov
    Jason Blake – Matt Stajan – Nikolai Kulemin
    Niklas Hagman – Mark Bell – Jamal Mayers
    Jiri Tlusty – Dominic Moore – Boyd Devereaux
    —————————————————-
    Ryan Hollweg

    Tomas Kaberle – Pavel Kubina
    Bryan McCabe – Anton Stralman
    Jack Johnson – Carlo Colaiacovo
    ————————————
    Staffan Kronwall – Jonas Frogren

    Erik Ersberg
    Curtis Joseph

    Prospect Depth:

    Robbie Earl – Darryl Boyce – Jeremy Williams
    Dale Mitchell – Chris DiDomenico – Jimmy Hayes
    Alex Foster – John Mitchell – Tyler Ruegsegger

    Luke Schenn – Dimitri Vorobiev
    Phil Oreskovic – Korbinian Holzer

    Justin Pogge
    James Reimer

  29. lukeleim says:

    Trade Vesa Toskala, Jeff Finger, Alexei Ponikarovsky and Mikhail Grabovski to the Los Angeles Kings for Erik Ersberg, Jack Johnson, Patrick O'Sullivan and the Los Angeles Kings' 3rd round draft pick of 2008.

  30. lukeleim says:

    Trade Vesa Toskala, Jeff Finger, Alexei Ponikarovsky and Mikhail Grabovski to the Los Angeles Kings for Erik Ersberg, Jack Johnson, Patrick O'Sullivan and the Los Angeles Kings' 3rd round draft pick of 2008.

  31. Bure96 says:

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

    Jack Johnson, a 2005 3rd overall pick, and the best defensemen on the Kings, Patrick O'Sullivan a future 85 point player, Erik Ersberg, a goalie who one day could become a decent starting goalie and a pick for extremely overpaid Jeff Finger, above average Vesa Toskala, a 3rd liner and a 4th liner.

  32. pezzz says:

    that's the worst trade ever proposed in the history of HTR I guess. LOL. man. I'm still pissing my pants off 30 minutes later.

  33. sundin_500 says:

    Your wrong about him never being a top end leafs prospect, maybe not top end in the league, but he was one of the leafs best.

  34. Kramer says:

    Luke Schenn looks good.  But the Leafs gotta watch it!!!!  If they're now careful, he's gonna get kidnapped by aliens!!!!!!  It always happens to promising young players on the Leafs.

    Remember what happened to Luke Richardson back in 1988?  One day he's considered the next Larry Robinson, then suddenly he looks like Jerry Korab.

    Chad Kilger was the most recently abducted.  Watch these guys carefully and for Gods sake, hire some extra bodyguards!!!!

  35. mojo19 says:

    Hey Kramer, welcome back. Luke Schenn won’t be abducted probably, don’t worry about it man.

  36. KingCanada says:

    So ur sugesting to move a young goalie up to a crappy team where he wont be supported very well and will get scored on plenty? Sure thats a great idea… I do agree tho that Pogge needs some playing time in the NHL to get his feet wet but he needs to be the starter in the AHL to get playing time.

    Justin Pogge apparently is a real shy guy making him an introvert. Im sure it would take alot less to shatter his confidence as compared to a stronger minded individual.

  37. KingCanada says:

    Id also like to add..

    Pogge didnt instill confidence in his coach to start him during the playoffs instead going in favor to joruneyman Scott Clemmenson who wasnt even given a contract this year by us.  If he cannot dominate against an AHL team what makes you think he will fare any better vs ther Montreal, Ottawas and Buffalos of this league?  I hardly believe hes earned his stripes yet.  Toskala on the other hand has and will be able to handle playing for a shitty team.

  38. KingCanada says:

    You guys need to start reading in between the lines.  Sundin has been our longtime captain.  Offering him a contract is just a formality.  Cliff fully knows Sundin is retiring.  This is only a PR move and they dont expect to ahve him in the lineup.  As stupid as everyone perceives management to be they arent.  You dont make billions of dollars by having the IQ of a 4 year old.

    Side note does anyone know what we received from Montreal when we traded Sundin's rights?

  39. KingCanada says:

    I didnt like the Grabovski trade eigther.  But maybe he was worth a shot.  Who knows he might pan out or he might be the next Wellwood.  Hopefully he is woth the 2nd rounder and Pateryn.  Fletch is just trying to build a nucleus of young guns so wether this experiment works or not is TBD.

  40. KingCanada says:

    Why do u even bother posting that, u better of been joking..

  41. KingCanada says:

    HAHA good one!  Chad Kilger is actually being abducted by his wife and lawyers.  Hes going threw a tough divorce, thats why he isnt playing and is suspended by the Panthers.

  42. lukeleim says:

    yeah, pretty rediculous trade proposal. Only half serious, just wanted to get some kind of response. The Kings might be interested in Pavel Kubina though, maybe for Brian Boyle and a 3rd or 4th round draft pick?

  43. Bure96 says:

    Actually that trade make's sense. Boyle plus a mid round pick for Kubina is totally fair. I think Ted Purcells would be better though, maybe add a 4th rounder too.

  44. mojo19 says:

    No, he was never expected to be much. There was never a lot of buzz around him except when he first got called up and played a couple games well some people got excited.

  45. Barongoalie says:

    sadly its too true.
    props to you my friend.

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