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		<title>By: cueball</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/torontos-deadline-options/comment-page-2/#comment-78526</link>
		<dc:creator>cueball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cheesyphilly is a loser the guy is posting his thoughts nobody wants to hear yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cheesyphilly is a loser the guy is posting his thoughts nobody wants to hear yours.</p>
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		<title>By: 89AlexanderMogilny89</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/torontos-deadline-options/comment-page-2/#comment-78525</link>
		<dc:creator>89AlexanderMogilny89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your kidding ,I hope?.Talk about Leaf fans making up whacked up trade proposals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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If you think that is what it would cost to get Boughner then all the more power to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your kidding ,I hope?.Talk about Leaf fans making up whacked up trade proposals.</p>
<p>If you think that is what it would cost to get Boughner then all the more power to you.</p>
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		<title>By: 89AlexanderMogilny89</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/torontos-deadline-options/comment-page-2/#comment-78524</link>
		<dc:creator>89AlexanderMogilny89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothingman you names becomes you...you said nothing and thus are ignored from now on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Stick to watching re-runs of the Crocodile ,you fool.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh one more thing here&#039;s a box of bounty for you to wipe up your tears little boy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothingman you names becomes you&#8230;you said nothing and thus are ignored from now on.</p>
<p>Stick to watching re-runs of the Crocodile ,you fool.</p>
<p>Oh one more thing here&#8217;s a box of bounty for you to wipe up your tears little boy.</p>
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		<title>By: LondonK</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/torontos-deadline-options/comment-page-2/#comment-78523</link>
		<dc:creator>LondonK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because the leafs have too many players.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Sundin, Nolan, Roberts, Renberg, Tucker, Reichel, Fitzgerlad, Mogilny, Domi, Stajan, Nieuwendyk, Ponikarovsky, Antropov&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Right there that is 13 forwards.  With only 12 positions that means one is already forced out of the lineup when Mogilny returns.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Add in Belak and Perrot, and now Johnson and that takes it to 16 forwards.  And the leafs already have seven current defenseman in Kaberle, McCabe, Klee, Berg, Marchment, Pilar, and Jackman.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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They need to give up roster players to get new players because they have nowhere to put the ones they have right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the leafs have too many players.  </p>
<p>Sundin, Nolan, Roberts, Renberg, Tucker, Reichel, Fitzgerlad, Mogilny, Domi, Stajan, Nieuwendyk, Ponikarovsky, Antropov</p>
<p>Right there that is 13 forwards.  With only 12 positions that means one is already forced out of the lineup when Mogilny returns.</p>
<p>Add in Belak and Perrot, and now Johnson and that takes it to 16 forwards.  And the leafs already have seven current defenseman in Kaberle, McCabe, Klee, Berg, Marchment, Pilar, and Jackman.  </p>
<p>They need to give up roster players to get new players because they have nowhere to put the ones they have right now.</p>
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		<title>By: rojoke</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/torontos-deadline-options/comment-page-2/#comment-78522</link>
		<dc:creator>rojoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&#8230;Kondratiev might be ready next year and i believe that he&#039;s the best prospect the Leafs have&#8230;&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Not even close.  Kondratiev was sent home a couple of months ago because there was no one else on the Leafs farm team who could speak Russian.  He&#039;s at least two years away.  Besides, Colaiacovo has been the most reliable blueliner in St. John&#039;s (AHL all-star rep), and Kyle Wellwood is probably ahead of Matt Stajan, simply because Wellwood gets more ice time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Kondratiev might be ready next year and i believe that he&#8217;s the best prospect the Leafs have&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not even close.  Kondratiev was sent home a couple of months ago because there was no one else on the Leafs farm team who could speak Russian.  He&#8217;s at least two years away.  Besides, Colaiacovo has been the most reliable blueliner in St. John&#8217;s (AHL all-star rep), and Kyle Wellwood is probably ahead of Matt Stajan, simply because Wellwood gets more ice time.</p>
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		<title>By: HabsNick</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/torontos-deadline-options/comment-page-2/#comment-78521</link>
		<dc:creator>HabsNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bad sentencing on the Boughner proposition, i meant:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Kondratiev + Jackman + (Ponikavirski OR Antropov)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*not* Kondatiev + Ponikavirski OR Antropov + Jackman]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad sentencing on the Boughner proposition, i meant:</p>
<p>Kondratiev + Jackman + (Ponikavirski OR Antropov)</p>
<p>*not* Kondatiev + Ponikavirski OR Antropov + Jackman</p>
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		<title>By: HabsNick</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/torontos-deadline-options/comment-page-2/#comment-78520</link>
		<dc:creator>HabsNick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One has to wonder why the Leaf fans want to trade half of their team when they are winning more often than not. It&#039;s proven that stacking your team won&#039;t get you more wins (Rangers) so why do Toronto fans keep insisting to go down the same road year after year?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Frankly, if they WANT to absolutely make a trade to shore up their weaknesses for the playoffs, it&#039;s pretty easy to look up the roster and figure that all they need is a solid defensive second line D. That rules out Gonchar, they don&#039;t need him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Let&#039;s take Carolina for example since everyone knows they&#039;ll be sellers at the deadline. That means getting either Wesley (the easier choice, but does he want to play in Toronto again? that&#039;s another matter) or Boughner (harder, Carolina probably won&#039;t trade him unless they get excellent return).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Let&#039;s say i&#039;m the Carolina GM and i know a lot of teams will inquire for the services of these two players, and Toronto is the first to call. Here&#039;s what i ask:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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For Wesley, give me either Brendan Bell or Pilar, and a 3rd or 4th round pick. (preferably Pilar since he can help right away, Bell is still 2 years away from the NHL)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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For Boughner, give me Kondratiev, Ponikavirski or Antropov and Jackman. (Jackman to finish the season, Kondratiev might be ready next year and i believe that he&#039;s the best prospect the Leafs have, Antropov isn&#039;t bad, but i think Ponikavirsky will be better in a few years)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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As you can see, many teams could use either of those two Ds for the playoffs, and the Carolina GM knows it, so he&#039;ll ask for a lot, with reason. I think Ferguson is intelligent enough not to get rid of all of his good prospects, so he&#039;ll probably just get a veteran D (maybe a rent-a-player) for depth purposes, he shouldn&#039;t destroy his core of players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One has to wonder why the Leaf fans want to trade half of their team when they are winning more often than not. It&#8217;s proven that stacking your team won&#8217;t get you more wins (Rangers) so why do Toronto fans keep insisting to go down the same road year after year?</p>
<p>Frankly, if they WANT to absolutely make a trade to shore up their weaknesses for the playoffs, it&#8217;s pretty easy to look up the roster and figure that all they need is a solid defensive second line D. That rules out Gonchar, they don&#8217;t need him.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take Carolina for example since everyone knows they&#8217;ll be sellers at the deadline. That means getting either Wesley (the easier choice, but does he want to play in Toronto again? that&#8217;s another matter) or Boughner (harder, Carolina probably won&#8217;t trade him unless they get excellent return).</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say i&#8217;m the Carolina GM and i know a lot of teams will inquire for the services of these two players, and Toronto is the first to call. Here&#8217;s what i ask:</p>
<p>For Wesley, give me either Brendan Bell or Pilar, and a 3rd or 4th round pick. (preferably Pilar since he can help right away, Bell is still 2 years away from the NHL)</p>
<p>For Boughner, give me Kondratiev, Ponikavirski or Antropov and Jackman. (Jackman to finish the season, Kondratiev might be ready next year and i believe that he&#8217;s the best prospect the Leafs have, Antropov isn&#8217;t bad, but i think Ponikavirsky will be better in a few years)</p>
<p>As you can see, many teams could use either of those two Ds for the playoffs, and the Carolina GM knows it, so he&#8217;ll ask for a lot, with reason. I think Ferguson is intelligent enough not to get rid of all of his good prospects, so he&#8217;ll probably just get a veteran D (maybe a rent-a-player) for depth purposes, he shouldn&#8217;t destroy his core of players.</p>
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		<title>By: nocuphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>nocuphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn straight!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn straight!!</p>
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		<title>By: Aetherial</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/torontos-deadline-options/comment-page-2/#comment-78518</link>
		<dc:creator>Aetherial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I do not know if that is sufficient, and I am guessing it is not...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Those players do have *some* trade value. If for no other reason than they have either potential or they can play in the league and they are not expensive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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There is also upside there with all 3.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Jackman is not worse than Jason Smith was... look at him now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I do not know if that is sufficient, and I am guessing it is not&#8230;</p>
<p>Those players do have *some* trade value. If for no other reason than they have either potential or they can play in the league and they are not expensive.</p>
<p>There is also upside there with all 3.</p>
<p>Jackman is not worse than Jason Smith was&#8230; look at him now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubblenuts</title>
		<link>http://hockeytraderumors.com/torontos-deadline-options/comment-page-2/#comment-78517</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubblenuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No kidding.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Trading Coliacovo (or Kaberle for that matter) for Gonchar won&#039;t get them anywhere. It seems nobody has heard the secret that Kaberle, Coli, and Gonchar all play the exact same style of game. Difference of course between the 3 is salary. Getting Gonchar would be like throwing money for the sake of throwing money, they already have 2 Gonchars, or will in the next few years. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No kidding.</p>
<p>Trading Coliacovo (or Kaberle for that matter) for Gonchar won&#8217;t get them anywhere. It seems nobody has heard the secret that Kaberle, Coli, and Gonchar all play the exact same style of game. Difference of course between the 3 is salary. Getting Gonchar would be like throwing money for the sake of throwing money, they already have 2 Gonchars, or will in the next few years. </p>
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