Trade Deadline: Leafs

Its about that time again. The leafs are going to be missing the post season (again) and are now “sellers” at the trade deadline. So…let’s have a look at who is available this year…
1. Profile : Thomas Kaberle is probably the leafs greatest trade-able asset however Burke has stated he will not move Kaberle (he would most likely have been asking too much anyway).

So where does that leave the leafs?

2. Profile: Matt Stajan, a team leader, approachable and never shies away from the media. The problem is that he really doesn’t have a defined role with the team. Is he a good shutdown third line center? Second line support scorer? Or marginally talented top line centre( only for the leafs). This lack of consistency hurts Stajan with the leafs and may hurt his trade value. He surely will not be playing a top line role with ANY other team, and maybe not even 2nd line role.

Return: For stajan the return of a decent prospect, a mid to late 2nd rounder, or 3rdwith a 6th rounders are probable.

3. Profile: Alexei Ponikarovsky, a decent support scorer with a good plus minus on a horrible defensive team. For Poni it isn’t so much the goals he does score as much as the goals he doesn’t that has caused him to wear out his welcome. He has a great sense of scoring areas but usually chokes on tap in opportunities.

Return: once again a decent prospect, a mid to late 2nd rounder, or a 3rd with a 4th or 3rd with a 5th rounder are probable. However depending on his play up to the deadline a team like Atlanta may want to pick him up to play with a former friend due to the departure of Kovalchuk. Poni may offer a 2nd or 3rd rounder along with prospect if he goes hot leading to the deadline.

4. Profile: Nicklas Hagman. Why is he fourth spot on the list? because he makes the most sense at a dollar value per output to keep than the other two. For the past 3 years in a row he has scored 20+ goals a season playing 2nd and 3rd line minutes. He is on pace for 30 goals is even in +/-, next year he will only have one year left on his deal and will most likely be on pace for another 20+ goal season, but at this price why not keep him and actually have some veteran scoring for a cheap price.

Return: Prospect with a 3rd and a 6-7th, early 2nd and 5th, or 2-3rd with 4th.
Overall the best return of tradeable assets.

To be honest those are the only really viable options. Lee Stepniak May gather a 3rd at best while mayers would be lucky to get a 5th.

Toskala will NOT be moved unless we get salary back. *When was the last time a goalie paid big $$ was traded at the deadline (it was an injured Kolzig last year, otherwise not since before the lockout.)

Komisarek is untradeable without returning with salary and Burke will NOT want to trade Komi, Beauchemin is the same boat, and if we trade Ian white we will basically be saying if you work hard and go through our system as our draft pick when you pan out we don’t want you anymore.

Blake is also unmovable without picking up salary, so basically he or toskala would be traded if we want to pick up an equally bad player in return but maybe received a lat)e (5th-7th rounder) pick.

Overall not too great, hopefully the 12 new scouts Burke hired can help find multiple diamonds in the rough otherwise this year and next will be rough years with bad finishes and few picks…

47 Responses to Trade Deadline: Leafs

  1. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Watching the Lightning tonight, I think their missing a back end offensive player as Kurtis Foster is their leading offensive dmen. I think Kaberle could be a good mentor and really good for a team that should be alot higher in the standings. I think we would have to take salary in return. But I don't know who as Tanguays contract would run out. And Meszaros would be a horrible adition. Maybe walker or Fedoruk or Malone?? With all the upcoming talent.

    To Tampa:

    Hagman (only if Malone would come back as part of the deal to help the scoring)

    To Toronto:

    Malone. Walker. or Fedoruk
    1st round pick 2010 or 2011
    Carter Ashton

    What do you gus think.

  2. cam7777 says:

    If Kaberle is going to Tampa, the only player I'm interested in hearing about is Vincent Lecavalier.  I might consider a package of Steve Downie, Carter Ashton, 1st in 2010.

  3. cam7777 says:

    Also, I know we all dump on Stajan all the time, Leaf fans and non-Leaf fans alike, but is there really even a single team in the league that has six players in their top six with 38 points or more?  Sure, Stajan probably wouldn't be a regular 2nd line center on most teams, but injuries are happening more and more.  Stajan has a lot of versatility that goes overlooked because of the Toronto spotlight.  Like so many of our assets, his talent is dwarfed by the lack of a top line, and the lack of reliable goaltending.

    And Ponikarovsky isn't just a decent support scorer.  A decent support scorer is going to put up 15 goals – someone like Andrew Ladd, or Lee Stempniak, who can check and score.  Ponikarovsky is a good support scorer, and to say otherwise is just being foolish.  The problem isn't that Ponikarovsky isn't doing his job, the problem is that there isn't a top line for him to support in Toronto.  Put him on a team where he CAN be a support scorer, and he is among the better support scorers in the league.

    I also disagree that Toskala is unmoveable.  It would cost about 878k on the cap to pick Toskala up.  Some salary might have to come back, but lots of teams have useless salary they wouldn't mind moving for a bit of security in goal.  It sounds like some teams feel that Toskala will improve outside of Toronto.  I wouldn't be surprized to see him sign a cheap cheap deal next year, and dominate in a non-hockey market again.

    Again, Blake isn't unmoveable either.  THere are lots of teams that could view Blake as both a rental, and a free agent signing – teams that would otherwise be unable to attract attention from players on July 1st.  He's a hard worker, and even an offensively challenged year, is still on pace for over 40 points.  He's also settled into a nice 3rd line role, which changes the outlook on him a bit.  Now that he's playing both ends of the ice pretty well, he's not a one-dimensional asset.  Salary would have to come back, but lots of teams have salary to dump.  Florida would love to dump Koistinen.  Colorado would love to dump Preissing.  Minnie would love to dump Sykora.  The Rangers would love to dump Rozsival (and we would just bury him or send him to Europe).  There are options, and some of them might see the Leafs get a mid round pick back.

    Burke supposedly already turned down a late 1st for Hagman too, so you can bump up your value on Hagman a bit.,  It's not like teams are so overflowing with Hagman's that they can't control all the 30 goal scorers they have.  He's a valuable asset, and that's the only reason he hasn't been traded yet.

  4. mojo19 says:

    Lets do it without Malone and Hagman….

    Kaberle for a 1st rounder and Carter Ashton.
    Not bad, could we get more?
    Also i'm a big fan of Todd Fedoruk, i'd pick him up for sure as a throw in.

  5. mojo19 says:

    I think Stajan would be a 2nd line centre on most teams. He's a younger version of Daymon Langkow, very comparible. For years with Phoenix, as a young centre Langkow was like a 20 goal, 30 assist guy, he was that Stajan type guy.

    Poni, can't agree with you more. He could go play on anyone's 2nd line and fit right in. He's not flashy but he's up and down his wing hard and always chipping in with some goals.

    Toskala. Its true. A lot of people who say that he's done in the NHL, well I was saying the same things about Raycroft, who was way worse than Toskala and Colorado and Vancouver have both picked him up as a cheap, somewhat reliable backup.

    Blake and Hagman, good point. Well said.

    And as much as you don't want to hear this, we could totally move Ian White for a big return, and like I said about Bryan McCabe, oh 4 years ago, we should move him NOW when he's as valuable as he'll ever be, let someone else sign him to the big money contract that will surely handcuff us in years to come.

  6. TimTheBone says:

    Lecavalier's contract is handcuffing  (is that even a word)……. but what i mean is he'll be a 7.7 million dollar cap hit until he retires…. so youll realistically get a good 4-5 years of good production out of him… but then the remaining 5-6 years of the contract will consider him over-paid….. After thinking about this myself.. im not so sure i'd really want to take on his contract as a habs fan…. i'm beginning to think his contract is amongst some of the worst in the league… as a whole…. obviously now it still seems ok…. but the terms are terrible….

  7. cam7777 says:

    The difference is that White is much younger than McCabe was then.  It's about message sending.  I can't find the link now, but George McPhee has an article up where he describes in detail his model for rebuilding a hockey team.  Now, I'm not the biggest McPhee fan, but one of his main principles, is that you resign the players that show up for you, even if they appear more valuable in trades.  It's about message sending.  Guys have to know the organization will treat them right if they perform well enough. 

    That's actually a huge part of the problem this year.  More than half of our roster was fairly certain, even from the outset of the year, that they would not be back next year.  Probably only Hagman, Blake, Kaberle, Gustavsson, Schenn and the free agents (Kessel, Komisarek, Beauchemin), came into the year truly expecting to be a Maple Leaf a year later.  It seemed they were trying to force Kulemin out with Stalberg, and Burke didn't even mention White in his top six.  Even Grabovski was resigned hesitantly under some shady conditions.  At the time, some speculated he was part of a sign and trade that fell through.  And even of the guys who KNEW they'd be back, Blake, Kaberle and Schenn had all been talked about in trades.  Blake knew he'd be dumped at a moments notice.  Kaberle knew he'd be dumped if the return was big enuogh.  Schenn knew he'd be dumped if it meant bringing in a star center like Tavares.

    You cannot have a team with that much uncertainty on it.  I blame Brian Burke for everything that went wrong this year.  He telegraphed his intentions, and his players saw right through it, and it broke them.  He tried to be shrewd, and be a players GM, and it backfired.  What he should have done is said that "yes, i am a players GM, but this organization is in too dire of straights for me to cater to individuals right now, and there is going to be a year or two of shrewd, even callous business tactics". 

  8. TimTheBone says:

    well look on the bright side…. you guys are a lock to draft seguin hall or fowler!……………

    oh wait!!… that'll be boston getting that pleasure!

    haahhahahah…..sorry just poking fun…. couldnt resist

  9. cam7777 says:

    The dollar amount does drop off in the final years, and he could be bought out prematurely.  As well, the cap would presumably increase by about 5-10 million in the next 6 years, and that 7.7 would be less intimidating.  Still, i see your point.  However, the advantage of trading with Tampa, is that you know Kaberle would hit free agency on July 1st 2011, because Tampa is just so inept.  The way I see it, we'd be giving up relatively little in the end, and that would supplement his dollar figure.

  10. TimTheBone says:

    yes but even a buyout of that magnitude will cost you 3 to 4 mil over a few more years depending on the buyout year….. If the cap does indeed rise that much then yes it does take off some of the intimidation that goes along with such a huge contract…… A buyout would only save you 3-5 mil…. which is quite significant… but i still would be wary of his contract

  11. lukeleim says:

    Niklas Hagman, Garnet Exelby and the Maple Leafs' 3rd round draft pick of 2010 to the Phoenix Coyotes for Peter Mueller and the Calgary Flames' first round draft pick of 2010????????


  12. dumbassdoorman says:

    I wouldn't want Fedoruk, this guy could get a concussion going through customs. If they trade with Tampa either of cam or mojo's packages needs to include Paul Ranger. He can help replace a lot of kabs production and is better defensively. 

  13. dumbassdoorman says:

    HMMMM I might make that trade….very very tempting. I mean you have to give up something to get something right?

  14. broc says:

    Nik Hagman for a 3rd and a 6th… or a 2nd and 5th? Are you out of your freakin mind?

    Hagman is on pace for 30 goals this season, playing with probably the leagues worst collection of centers (Stajan, Grabovski, Wallin, Mitchell, Primeau). Imagine if he was playing with Crosby/Malkin/Staal. It is not unreasonable to think he is capable of 35-40 with those guys.

    Not only that, but he is signed for 2 more seasons after this one, at the bargain cap hit rate of 3 million a season.

    I wouldn't sell him for a late 1st AND a 2nd.. it would have to be a DAMN GOOD offer to get Hagman, otherwise it's not worth trading him.

    Here's something better:

    – Hagman
    – 5th

    – Caputi or Tangradi
    – 2nd + 4th

    You're crazy if you would trade Hagman for a couple weak picks.

  15. blaze says:

    Cam you seem like a smart guy, you can't really believe what you wrote in those two last paragraphs. I don't mean to offend but does that not seem a little rediculious. .

    "Schenn knew he'dbe dumped if it meant bringing in a star center like Tavares."???

    There's no way you actually beleive Schenn played poorly because of the possibility of an improbably trade.

  16. cam7777 says:

    No, that's not what I meant to imply.  I was simply saying, that uncertainty penetrated even the team's supposed "core".  If there is something to blame for Schenn's slow start, it is his off-season conditioning program.  I whole heartedly agree with Gary Roberts on that issue.

  17. dumbassdoorman says:

    I like the trade, however, not sure we need to throw in the 5th, not that it is a high pick.
    What about this

    -Hagman & Kaberle

    -Stall, Tangradi & Talbot

  18. LeafsFan90 says:

    Here we go again…

    I don't quite think you guys get it… Leafsfans ALWAYS over value their players.

    First of all trades with teams like tampa, florida, atlanta, pheonix and  the Islanders involving 1st round picks WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

    These small market teams value 1st rounders more than ANYTHING. They need cheap young players who can play in the NHL as fast as possible, a good way to get this is to keep your 1st rounders. Honestly when was the last time one of these teams traded away a 1st rounder for a middleaged/ veteran player and a later pick? Definatly pre cap era.

    WE Need to value first rounders more than anything. I'm not going to comment on the kessel deal but I will say from now on unless the people offered are named crosby, Ovi, Malkin, Nash, Kovy essentially superstars under 25 I mean top 15, consistent scoring guys, do we EVER OFFER A 1ST ROUNDER  IN A DEAL.

    I recognize the draft can be a crap shoot but its about setting an example in the organization that we build our own talent something that comes greatly with keeping 1st round picks.
    With regards to Toskala and blake once again use history few goalies have been traded at the deadline especially not league worst goalies.  With blake why would florida trade away 1.2 mil cap hit for this and next year to pick a a bad 4 mil cap hit for this year and two more? Preissing also is 2.75 this and next year, sykora this year at 1.6 SO if a GM IS SMART he wouldnt take our big salary dump without taking picks from US>

     Rozival makes a tiny bit of sense except now we have another over paid defenseman on the roster who has the same term as blake but bigger contract? Basically all the deals except rozsival would have US GIVING THEM PICKS not the other way around.

    Hagman is also 30 years old, no team will offer a 1st rounder for a 30 year old 50 point scorer even IF a BIG IF (hagman hasn't yet scored 30) he is a 30 goal scorer, unless he is a big name player, and can push you over the top in the playoffs something I'm sure people don't see hagman as.

  19. intelligentscorpio says:

    N I C E.

  20. 93killer93 says:

    Burke was already offered a 1st for Hagman and turned it down so why would he settle for a 2nd and a 5th

  21. reinjosh says:

    Hagman is 30. But he is also signed for 3 million. And the if question isn't all that big a question. He has scored 27 goals on the third line for dallas two years ago. He scored 22 last year and would have hit or beaten his high were he not injured. This season his on pace for 31 on a team that has one other forward who can be considered a top 6. That is significant.

    That means that Hagman faces other teams top shutdown lines almost every game. So taking that into account and still having him score 20 goals is impressive. That and the fact he has no center to play with makes it more impressive.

    You are right that Leaf fans overrate players. But you are completely underrating him. He is worth more than a 1st rounder. And considering a team (or more) has alreay offered a 1st rounder for him (it is a fact), Burke isn't going to take anything less and likely won't even settle for a late first rounder.

    And you reasoning for him not giving up a first is ludicrous. How many players that can score 20 – 30 against opposing teams top shutdown lines, plus play physical, plus only has a cap hit of 3 million, are going to be traded for nothing but a 1st rounder plus a prospect (mid to propsect needing a change of scenery).

    Answer. None.

  22. reinjosh says:

    Kaberle could get Staal by himself plus a pick. No need to use Hagman. We could split them up and probably get a better all around haul.

  23. KingCanada says:

    Hey Cam just curious….how did u get ut 878k figure?  I know cap is determined by the amount of days on the cap and not the amount of games played.  But for the sake of easiness with deadline deals I usually just divide the players cap by 4 (since there are 20 games left after the deadline ei:1/4 of the season to play). 

    Figured maybe the Olympic break affected those days towards cap numbers and Im too lazy to calc that since Im at work so I figured Id ask…lol

  24. bbruins37 says:

    hahaha its comical how much you overrate kaberle

  25. KingCanada says:

    I wouldnt do it….Hagman is a 30 goal scorer so he is miles ahead of Mueller's value regardless of how young the kid is…  Calgary's pick seems inticing since they arent doing so good…Im sure Phoenix would prefer to trade their own if the Flames miss the playoffs tho.

    Still Id rather keep Hagman (a sure shot top 6 guy) then take a chance at Mueller and that 20th overall maybe draft pick.

  26. dumbassdoorman says:

    Just like you overrate, Wheeler and Krejci right?

  27. bbruins37 says:

    why did you settle on wheeler? oh well. im not saying a 31 year old defenseman who has trailed off lately is worth a 21 year old who is stuck behind two of the best players in the league in a checking role and who is straight up better defensively, plus a pick.

  28. bbruins37 says:

    plushe has a bigger contract for a shorter term

  29. mojo19 says:

    White doesn't show up every night either. He's as inconsistant as the rest of the team, there's just a Darcy Tucker type love affair going on with this guy where he can do no wrong in the city of Toronto.

    But whatever, we all have our favourites, I wouldn't be disapointed if we kept him, I just hope he doesn't break the bank!

  30. mojo19 says:

    Kaberle is 4th among NHL defensmen in scoring,

    He's the only defensman in the league who leads his team in scoring. Consider that the 3 guys ahead of him (Green, Boyle, and Keith) all play for stacked teams, and are surrounded by star players, its pretty amazing to see Kaberle keep a good pace with them.

    Besides last year when he was hurt, his post lockout point totals are 67, 58, and 53.

    I know you hate the Leafs but you should be able to at least recognize that Kaberle is one of the most skilled guys in the league, I don't think that's really disputable.

  31. broc says:

    You wouldn't get Staal alone for kaberle, let alone something thrown in IMO.

    Staal simply isn't going to be traded… maybe if the Pens have trouble signing guys like Gonchar in the offseason, but if they're trading Staal in the offseason, there will be more bidders than Toronto, and Kaberle at that point has only 1 year left, and isn't worth close to Staal at that point.

    Who even knows if Kabs gets traded. If Burke is doing his job, he's telling KAbs agent, "I can trade him ANYwhere in the summer.. so you better make another list of places he'd accept a trade to this year, or there's a chance he could end up in Florida!"

  32. bbruins37 says:

    he's a great skater, so he's valuable as a puck mover. however, he's not good defensively at all, and on offence, he's a guy that will routinely rack up points on the powerplay by simply working it around. when he played with mccabe, his whole gameplan was "here you go mccabe" on the PP. he's not a bad player, and definitely has his plusses with his skating ability, but to suggest that he's worth staal + is ridiculous.

  33. mojo19 says:

    Well, you're right, exactly half his points are on the PP this year, but still he makes amazing passes and he runs it. Even when McCabe was there, it was Kaberle who did all the work, anyone with a big shot could do what McCabe did (well… they both did their part, lets leave it at that).

    Like when you're working it to Stajan, and Poni, and Stempniak, etc. all year, its no wonder the Leafs PP is so bad, but still Kaberle gets some points. And he's not just a routine, pass it around type of passer, he puts good sauce on it when he needs to. Check out his pass to Poni last week against Atlanta to see the type of finesse passes he's capable of making.

    Defensively, ya he's not amazing, and the other knock on him would have been that he's soft, although in the last couple years he's played with a little more of an edge, not throwing big hits but at least finishing his check in the corner, etc. Which is all you can ask of him.

    As a well rounded player he's not one of the best players in the league, but as an offensive defensman he would be a great fit pretty much anywhere. You're probably right that he wouldn't be worth Staal + (although the value of J.Staal is always debated too).

  34. mojo19 says:

    of his 27 goals with Dallas he scored 19 at even strength, 4 PP, and 4 shorties.

    This year, he's got 16 at even strength so far, and 4 PP. So he's a pretty productive 5 on 5 guy!

    I HEART 9 (and 41)

  35. LeafsFan90 says:

    Actually my reasoning is quite sound.

    Here it is
    "Hagman is also 30 years old, no team will offer a 1st rounder for a 30 year old 50 point scorer even IF a BIG IF (hagman hasn't yet scored 30) he is a 30 goal scorer, unless he is a big name player, and can push you over the top in the playoffs something I'm sure people don't see hagman as."

    Past examples of a 30 year old, with a career high 42 points and plus 4 getting traded and receiving a first round pick…well if we go back to the 90's we can probably find a handful.  He is on pace for 50 points this year a career best, yet still once again not worth a 1st rounder.

    He plays mostly on the leafs 2nd/3rd line? He doesnt play the top shutdown line of opposing teams? its not like opposing teams even do many line match-ups against any line that doesn't feature kessel.

    He is on pace for a astounding 38 hits so not much of a physical presence and in 30 playoff games he has 4 goals.  In his breakout 27 goal campaign he scored 2 goals in 18 games in the playoffs. So I do actually check these things so NO hagman is not worth 1st rounder to people look for playoff support scoring he is   worth : a Prospect with  a 3rd and a 6-7th,  early 2nd and 5th, or  2-3rd with 4th. With them hoping he will do better this playoffs.

  36. LeafsFan90 says:

    *** POSTER's NOTE

    I have looked for this "factual" information that Burke was offered a 1st, and I couldn;t find it anywhere the only thing I found was Hagman is getting the most calls and people wishing hagman would bring back a 1st. Maybe packaged as a deal, but since we only have a 3rd, 5-7th picks this year we would have to figure out how to package that deal.

  37. DandoEagle says:

    Someone offered a first to the leafs for hagman huh? I didnt know Milbury was still running a team.

    LOL who offered this deal?

  38. dumbassdoorman says:

    That is why I had Hagman in on the trade as well.  And as for kabby ending up in Fla…I think he will and don't think he would care. It would reunite him with McCabe. Plus they are not a bad team really.

  39. mojo19 says:

    Its true, in the last couple years 1st round picks haven't been traded as much as they were a few years ago.

  40. cam7777 says:

    Burke said it in an interview on TV.

    Teams acquiring Hagman aren't interested in him providing a physical presence, because most likely they already have it.  It's true that Leaf fans overvalue their players, but what you have done is placed the Leafs needs onto every other team, and assumed value based on that. 

    First of all, there are a lot of teams that don't value physicality at all (Montreal and Detroit off the top of my head).  Secondly, like I just said, teams that would be interested in Hagman would be looking for someone who can snipe goals at even strength.  Most likely these are good teams that are going to finish with a 20-30 pick in the draft.  Basically, this is like asking who is more valuable to a team like that – Phillipe Paradis, or Niklas Hagman? 

    Many teams probably feel like Burke does, that late first rounders are easily replaceable because either that talent level is still going to be available in the second round, or they could sign someone to regenerate the loss.  A lot more goes into this than "Hagman is good, but he's a Leaf, so maybe a 2nd round pick!"

  41. cam7777 says:

    I'd say he's among the most consistent though – even Iginla doesn't show up every night.  At some point, we have to stop being so picky.  Anyone playing bad for us always seems to be good enough for other teams, and everyone playign well for us is always too expensive. 

  42. cam7777 says:

    Yet somehow this argument is void for Dan Boyle and Mike Green who are also suspect defensively.  Put him on a team where he doesn't have to defend 7/8ths of the game, and I bet his "defense" looks a lot better.  Even Lidstrom saw what that's like this year.  "Hey, when I don't have a stacked crew of forwards, it's really hard to defend all night, and I never put up any points!"  It's cir*****stance more than anything else, and only your ridiculous leaf-hatred gets in the way of you seeing that.  If he were a Red Wing, he would be regarded as one of the finest defensemen in the league. 

    Staal is very good, but good defensemen are a lot rarer.  The knock on Staal is that his potential is sort of unknown.  Would the Leafs be trading for a guy who is the best 3rd line center of the league, but struggles in the top six, or would they be trading for a guy who could potentially match Eric Staal one day?  The advantage goes to Toronto in a trade like this, because, well for starters, the Pens are useless without a top flight D in their ranks, and also because Staal is an unknown, and Kaberle is one of the most consistent performers in the league at one of the most valuable positions.

  43. cam7777 says:

    Our PP sucks because Ron Wilson is an idiot.  Anyone who watched this team for 12 games before Kessel arrived knows that the powerplay always works better when Kessel isn't on the ice.  Take him off the top unit, and go back to the simple system we ran before.  That falls on Wilson to have the balls to tell Kessel he can't do it all, so he can't play on the PP.  Kessel cannot be on that top unit until we have another top line player to play with him.  He is wasted when he just gets triple teamed every time he touches the puck.

  44. cam7777 says:

    If he was bought out with 3 years remaining, this is how it would break down for the next 6 years:


    Which presumably, would be peanuts in cap space that far into the future.  Of course, he could also just retire at 37 and save us the trouble.  MLSE could offer him more money to retire and take a "scouting job" with the company than he would make to play….

  45. leafshockey says:

    What do people think about somebody calling Kessel "greedy" with the puck, or a hog? I mean, he is the guy who can go end to end, but I also think there is a valid point there.

  46. reinjosh says:

    I would definitely go for a deal that involved Kaberle for Vinny in some way (pieces added in obviously)
    And it's possible too. The Hockey News is reporting that the team is is negotiations with a guy to take over the ownership of the team and its close to being finished. They are reporting that one of the first things they would do would be to cut salary and the Vinny may not have a place on the team anymore.
    I think it would be sweet to get Vinny as out number 1 center. It would be sick. Although highly unlikely.

  47. leafshockey says:

    I think Kessel is wasted on that wing too. Like on the powerplay I mean. He's double teamed so he can't use his shot, and if you look, when he's scored his goals on the powerplay or made some nice passes he's alwasy been farther down the boards.

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