Possible trade options for Leafs Reimer

The market for James Reimer, restricted free agent, is limited. By my count, there are three teams he could start for — Islanders, Buffalo and Calgary. Three teams where he could compete for a starting spot — Winnipeg, Vancouver and Edmonton. All six of those teams will miss the playoffs.

And we have no idea what any of those teams think of him. If the Leafs choose to trade Reimer, and I wouldn’t necessarily do that, don’t expect them to reap much of a price for him. There is more supply than demand in the goaltending game … Sad to report that Roberto Luongo, the only NHL player worth following on Twitter, has decided to scale back on his social media activities. All I can say is @strombone1 please come home soon … Truth in numbers: Three of the 15 finalists for the Wooden Award (Heisman Trophy of basketball) are from the Greater Toronto area. Yet none of the 10 finalists for the Hobey Baker Award (Heisman of college hockey) are from the GTA … Not a bad time for Toronto area hockey players in the NHL, though: Wayne Simmonds is having a breakout year in Philadelphia (38 points in his past 35 games); Before he got hurt John Tavares was tearing it up with the Islanders and now Steven Stamkos is doing the same with the Lightning and Tyler Seguin is doing the all-star thing in Dallas. Not to mention what P.K. Subban or Alex Pietrangelo are doing on defence. For an area that has historically come under criticism for not producing players, this is Olympic quality … What Toronto, the city, doesn’t have: A signature local goaltender.


53 Responses to Possible trade options for Leafs Reimer

  1. leafy says:

    Let’s get this straight right now. The way Reimer is playing right now, he is not an NHL caliber goalie and has zero trade value. Nada. Nil. Zilch. Zip.

    Do the people in media who write this shit actually watch the games?

    • leafmeister says:

      I am surprised at the fan support he still has. These 4 games he has lost have very likely ruined an otherwise promising season.

      Some team will take him, and maybe he’ll end up being good there, but a what once was a valuable trade chip is now essentially worthless.

  2. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Everyone called Scrivens useless last year and he’s earned a shot at being a starter.

    Goaltenders run hot and cold. Reimer’s cold.

    • leafmeister says:

      I agree, middle of the pack goaltenders all can put together a stretch of good games. I wouldn’t argue that Reimer isn’t middle of the pack.

      It is just unfortunate that he had to be so cold during such a crucial time of the season. The really unfortunate thing is that last night and against Tampa they really showed up to play.

  3. kessel_leafs81 says:

    Anybody else think that phaneuf is very well expendable ? watching gardiner play some of his best hockey lately and see reilly on the uprising.. i would be confident in letting phaneuf go and building a top 4 around reilly – gleason , franson – gardiner.. certainly we’ll have to bring more depth in but i wouldnt mind moving him at the right price

    • Gambo says:

      I agree, Rielly and Gardiner have shown how great they are on the PENALTY KILL, they just seem to be able to SHUTDOWN all the opposing team’s best players. I am 100% confident with having Rielly, Gardiner and Franson out on the ice during the final minute of a game in effort to HOLD A LEAD.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      Reilly will be amazing but he is responsible for a ton of mistakes a game. Take for example the too many men on the ice in Montreal and missed played the 2 on 1 in the first goal vs NJ (just cut off the passing lane already). Still he’s untouchable.

      Franson is totally disposable the only thing he brings is that he’s RHD, beyond that? PP specialist given too many minutes.

      Dion is ok… just ok.

      Gleason isn’t a top four but rather a good 5, 6. I’d compare his value to Gunnnerson, I get that have different games but they really 5s that pair with a top four talent and don’t get special teams time.

      • doorman says:

        I blame Gardiner as much as Morgan for the too many men call. I was always taught, in my limited hockey career that it is the job of the guy coming off the benches job to ensure the guy came off.

        Dion is not as expendable as some feel, IMO. Gardiner and Rielly are still young and there will bew growing pains, Phaneuf presence alone shields them from a lot of this.

        Good thing nobody wanted to trade Reimer earlier in they year, lol. I feel bad for the guy, his confidence is clearly staggering. His team isn’t playing well in front of him and everything has snowballed for them.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        Gunnar is a 5 now? That’s what I have said all year and you fought me on it every step of the way.lol

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          I said he is a 5 who you can pair with anyone. Like Mojo comparing him to Hjalmarsson, he’s a valuable 5, the glue guy good teams need.

          There is a world of difference between a good #1 and a bad one (see Phaneuf hate), a good #2 and a bad one, etc..

          Gunnar has value is my point whereas IMO say Franson doesn’t bring value to any pairing cause he be a bad 3 or 4 IMO.

          • realistic_leafs_fan says:

            I may be wrong, but I don’t remember you saying Gunnar was a 5 at any point, but I’m not going to argue about it. I do remember you saying how steady he was and is fine as a compliment to Phaneuf. Just caught me a funny, that’s all.
            Hjalmarsson is a 3-4 on most teams and better than Gunnar imo, I don’t think Gunnar is a 3-4 on most teams.
            If Gunnar is truly a 5, then to your own point, he would be a horrible #2 where he is with the Leafs. Quite a jump for a 5 to play as a 2. So, As a 4 with a good 3, he is fine. As a 2 with a solid but not great 1, he is way out of place.
            We disagree on Franson. Franson is fine as a 3-4 and would be better with a more suitable partner. Funny how Carlyle will play Franson with the kids but shields Gunnar that way. Gunnar hardly plays a shift without Dion. Not sure how a guy that the coach only trusts to play with his best defenceman and not with the kids is a glue guy.

            • leafs_wallace93 says:

              Again always like the Hjalmarsson comparison.

              Guys that are complimentary but can’t carry a pairing on their own. I’ve always considered that a 5. So Gunner and Gleason fit that bill IMO if they were the best player on their pairing they’d be pushed to the five slot.

              Am I on trial here?

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                Guilty as charged!lol

                I get your reasoning, just don’t agree with it. I like Gunnar as a 4-5 and that’s about it. I just don’t get the love and “glue guy” stuff that is attached to him.
                He rarely takes a shift without Phaneuf(even penalty killing) and the rare shift he plays with one of the kids, the kid has to play his weak side so that Gunnar can stay on the left side, like he is incapable of playing the right side.
                He is not as good as billed in his own end and seems limited to with whom he can play. On the other hand, Hjalmarsson does play with other guys then and compliments well.
                Honestly, how would we know if Gunnar compliments well when he never plays with anyone other than Phaneuf? You have to admit that Carlyle’s reluctance to pair him with anyone other than Dion is odd.

  4. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Well that sucked, James… bye.

    At least NYI beat Columbus.

    • leafmeister says:

      Fuck it man, this season is done. They can feel free to prove me wrong, but 5 straight in a race this tight so late in a season is killer.

      I can’t wait for Reimer to be on another team so the Leafs can actually benefit from his shitty goaltending.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        The silver lining is that the Leafs played well enough in a back to back that they should have gotten 3 or 4 points this weekend if not for Riemer.

        Thank God Nonis landed Bernier otherwise Reimer would become our Dan Cloutier.

        Leafs are in a playoff race, it makes the season entertaining, enjoy it. It’s not like we were supposed to win the cup this year anyway.

  5. leafmeister says:

    Assuming this collapse continues, does anyone think the Leafs should look at trading Dion before his new contract kicks in? He has been fairly good this season, and now may be the time to cash in on some value, and change the leadership of this team. Some team may wish to add a d-man of his calibre.

    Carolina sucks on D, and could be looking to change things up as after 4 straight disappointing seasons they could be looking for some major change. How about:

    To CAR: Dion Phaneuf, James Reimer, Peter Holland
    To TOR: Eric Staal

    Canes get a top pairing d-man, a back up who can string some games together, and a young roster player, and the Leafs get a #1 centre. Having Staal, Kadri and Bozak down the middle would pretty much turn C from a position of weakness to perhaps the teams biggest strength.

    Replacing Dion’s minutes would not be easy, but long term, I think it could be done.

    • kessel_leafs81 says:

      i think thats close to good value, but to be honest i was never a big believer in bozak but i cant get over how much better hes been this season and it just seems like his hockey IQ came out of nowhere.. super smart player that make incredible little plays like last game a little deflection pass at the blueline to put JVR in all alone. I do think because of clarkson inability to score, we need another top 6 winger tho. I would love to see..

      To WPG:
      Phaneuf, reimer +

      To Tor:
      Kane, montoya +

      If Jets think buff is gonna stay on forward long term then phaneuf would really help them round out the defense.

      • leafmeister says:

        I like Bozak too, but it doesn’t mean he couldn’t be improved. Staal can also play LW if necessary. A top 9 of…

        JVR – Staal – Kessel
        Lupul – Kadri – Kulemin
        Komarov – Bozak – Clarkson

        …would match up well against pretty much any team. Certainly any team in the East.

        • kessel_leafs81 says:

          Very true, just love the way kane plays and hard to see canes dealing staal. Staals from my hometown of thunder bay and actually know there parents, there really shooting for mark to go to carolina cause they love the city and want all their boys on the same team. Super friendly family. Of course having a tbay boy on my favourite team would be great for me. I would do the lines a bit differently to spread out the scoring especially if our top line can already produce as it is, the distracted attention off staal could really let him loose. I see chemistry with lupul also. Deffinately want komarov back also tho.

          JVR – bozak – kessel
          lupul – staal – kadri
          komarov/orr – mcclement/smith – bodie

    • lafleur10 says:

      your not getting eric staal for that package riemer is not as good as cam ward phaneuf helps them but not enough for stall and holland not a chance…add kadri and a 1st and then maybe

  6. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Dreger is saying E.Staal, Skinner and Ward are in play this off season on the trade market. Add that with Kessler for two potential great centers on the market, this is one of those rare Mike Richards & Jeff Carter (how did the Leafs not pry this guy out of CBJ?) windows that I’d hope Nonis doesn’t ignore.

    Phaneuf going the other way would make the salaries work out for Staal and it’s not like Carolina can lure a big name blueliner via free agency. Having Phaneuf locked up helps them. Not saying it’s a great fit but Staal won’t be an easy contract to move and will Carolina go all out rebuild? I don’t see it.

    • kessel_leafs81 says:

      Carolina can lure a big named blueliner.. his names Mark Staal, trade Eric and Marc wont look at carolina. Id say skinner is more likely to be dealt for a large return and they keep the leverage of landing mark.

  7. mojo19 says:

    James Reimer has so many fundamental flaws in his game. The book is out. He’s toast.

    I think he could bounce back and become a back up somewhere but we’re not getting much for him.

  8. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Reimer is still a goalie with the ability to be a lesser number 1 or excellent back-up. Problem is, he does not want to be a back-up and is in that role. Way back when Carlyle was obviously making Bernier the number 1, we should have moved Reimer while the value was high. I felt this “goalie competition” was having a negative effect at the time and still believe it did. I still think we should have moved Reimer then, even though I know a lot disagree with me, but I think we wasted a chance to get value for Reimer and still get a true back-up in return.
    It’s fine to have a young developing goalie push a vet, or two guys vie for number 1 when a number 1 doesn’t exist. In the Leafs case, Reimer felt he had earned the spot, but then they bring in Bernier. No doubt tension existed. When Bernier took the number 1 position it was time to move Reimer while he had value. Montreal realized Halak/Price couldn’t co-exist and moved Halak while he still had value. We can argue whether they got the best return, but they realized the tandem would not co-exist and made the move that was best for the team. We should have done the same.
    Plus, Reimer and Bernier’s games are so different that it is a tough adjustment for the team. They have become used to a goalie who eats pucks up and stops play a lot. Reimer directs a lot of shots away and leaves many rebounds. If Reimer was on his game, we could have survived this, since he is not, we just don’t have enough quality defensive D to overcome it.

    As for Gardiner and Rielly. Both have put up points during the losing streak, but Gardiner is still only even +/- with 3 pts in 5 games. Rielly a -5 with 3 pts. Dion a well 4 pts in the past 5, but a -1. Yes, Reimer is part of the problem for sure. I love these guys can put up points and control the puck, but I still don’t like the look of our D as a group and I am not sold on keeping Gardiner. I just don’t know if he has he kind of hockey sense necessary to become a reliable top 4 guy. Gardiner reminds me too much of Mike Green. Rielly is a keeper for sure though. I am not saying he will be as good, but watching him skate, his equivalent size and the way he skates the puck out of danger….he still reminds me of Leetch. He will never put up equivalent points(the game has changed too much for one and Leetch was unbelievable at times), but he should develop into a very high quality first pairing D with similar qualities.
    Where has Kadri been? 1 pt and a -3 during the losing streak. He is either hot or cold, no in-between.

    • kessel_leafs81 says:

      I agree with the reimer comment i do think it hurt him and we played that situation wrong. But i do disagree with the gardiner comment. When we were down in the games during the streak, gardiner, reilly, kessel were the three players that really stepped up their play and looked like they were taking the losing personal, and desperately wanted to win. What i really have liked about gardiner is that when he confidence is high he dominates the play and looks like hes everywhere. With his skating he does not usually get caught even how often when he gets caught. I dont think hes going to be as good as karlsson but watch him play.. he gives the puck over alot but makes up for it later on in a game by scoring a goal. Its just the style. If you tell gardiner to play a more simple game and not try those moves then he simply will not be as affective. If im carlysle right now im telling gardiner to keep doing what he is doing and keep giving it his best. Easily top 3 dman potential so why trade him? Rarely do u see a dman with his skating ability and right now its looking like hes finding a way too get most his shots through with power on it where as before i was wondering if he had a good enough shot to truely become a stand out d like a karlson. We cannot move reilly or gardiner. There is no need.

      • realistic_leafs_fan says:

        My comment had nothing to do with Gardiners talent, the talent is obvious and we have all seen Jake put it together for small bursts…so has Mike Green. It is about consistency and hockey sense. Does Gardiner possess enough to become a true top 4 guy? Or will he drive you nuts with his inconsistency? The main point I was making was…is Gardiner what we NEED on D. Phaneuf and Rielly are going nowhere. Gleason has 2 more seasons at $4mil ( a contract we are not likely to move) and better suited for a bottom pairing. Gunnar, another bottom pairing guy (imo) is at two more seasons at $3.15. Gardiner is a RFA at end of season. Right now we have
        Phaneuf $7mil
        Gleason $4mil
        Gunnar $3.15
        Rielly $1.744
        Total $15.89
        That’s almost $16 mil and we have 3 more to sign and only 1 guy who is a top pair guy going into next year. Say Gardiner gets $3-$3.5 per. That’s almost $20mil tied up in 5 guys and still only 1 top pair D and 2 more D to sign. How has our D improved and where are we getting our top pair guy without moving a Gardiner…and Gunnar for that matter?
        So, moving forward and knowing who is likely to stay…is it better to pay and build with Jake? or move him for a piece that is better suited with the players we will have?

        • Gambo says:

          I was open to the idea of moving Gardiner earlier when he was struggling, still wasn’t a huge fan of the idea, but now there is no doubt in my mind we have to keep him. Kid is playing unreal and he’s still really young for a defenseman. He shows absolute brilliance offensively and is slowly coming into his own defensively.

          Turnovers are still a big issue with him, but I think now you have to keep him just because he shows way too much potential and is already an offensive threat.

          • kessel_leafs81 says:

            When you say is gardiner what we really need right now, whats your reason for that? like is our defense too soft? not hard enough to play against? cause if thats the reason then why not move gunner.. a tradeable person and contract and build around gardiner and reilly? every young player (age 23) who plays that style is going to be inconsistent, i could see thinking maybe we should when hes 27+ years of age entering his prime, but not when hes 23. Theres no reason why we cant build around reilly and gardiner and get rid of a guy like gunnar to make cap space for gardiner.. guys like ranger or fraser are available for cheap every free agency, thats not a problem. Try finding another guy with the same offensive upside as gardiner tho.

            • kessel_leafs81 says:

              I said earlier the idea of trading phaneuf, not saying we should put him on the block, but i just dont think hes untradeable and if the opportunity for an offensive punch upfront comes along then i wouldnt hesitate to deal him.

              • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                Yea I saw the Phaneuf idea…but with us just extending him for 7 more years at $7mil, what are the chances he is moved? Close to nil.imo
                I have been out of country and not seen the past 4 games, but 4 games is not enough for me to say Gardiner is untouchable, no matter how good he has been. I’ve seen Jake look incredible before, but his times of struggle seem to out-number the times of triumph.
                As for what we need…we need another top pair guy. Rielly is a couple years away. Could Jake be the guy with Dion? Talent would say yes. He has to be smarter though…I’m just not sure he has it, but I hope he does. I would rather get someone more proven and steadier, even if less flashy could Jake land that.
                I am all for moving Gunnar as I have said it all season, if he can get us what we need…a Girardi, Bieksa etc. But Gunnar will not land that on his own.
                I also think we need to be tougher to play against in our own end(said it all year as well) and Gardiner or Gunnar do not help that. Some more size that can play would be a big help.
                I am not saying trade Jake definitely, I am saying we need to explore it if we can improve the unit as a group. Jake may bring us back what we need. For example, I would take a Gudbrandson type and his up-side over Jake because I feel that would be a better fit going forward. Not against keeping him, but it will need a complete D rebuild if we try and build around Jake and Rielly.

                • kessel_leafs81 says:

                  I would hate to move gardiner for a giardi or bieksa and then gardiner take off like he potentially can. Itd be like another rask trade. And if we were that close to a cup run id say sure but were not and when we are, gardiner has the potential to be way more valueable and crucial to our up run then giardi or bieksa.

                  • realistic_leafs_fan says:

                    I said Gunnar + for a Bieksa, Girardi.
                    Gardiner for a Gudbrandson type. Another young guy with different type of potential, but still with some offensive up-side, but less than Jakes.
                    Jake may catch on to a more overall game, he may not. If he doesn’t, we will wish we moved him when his value was high like we should have done when Bernier took the reigns. Rielly will likely take the reigns from Gardiner and seems to have better hockey IQ.

  9. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Bolland’s rights, Lupul and Reimer for Kessler.

    Neither team is really looking for picks/prospects given their rosters. Both Lupul and Kessler have similar issues with staying healthy are about the same age. Vancouver could use some goaltending depth.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      So what to do with Kadri? You just solidified your #1 and 2 centres. Do you think Kadri would be happy as a 3rd line centre? Personally, I don’t. If we bring in a #1 or2 centre and Bozak is still here…Kadri will have to go.imo
      I would rather keep Bolland’s rights, than move Kadri for a D and then re-sign Bolland if the price was reasonable ($4mil range).
      Bozak, Kessler, Bolland, down the middle and JVR, Kessel, Clarkson, is a good start at wing. Add a quality D in the Kadri trade and you got Phaneuf, Rielly, (Kadri trade) as a good start on D. Bernier in goal is the start of a team to be built around isn’t breaking the bank and lots of room to add talent.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        More like what to do with Bozak, sell while his value is high. If not turn Kadri into a winger to replace Lupul.

        Also try to dump Clarkson to Edmonton.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          Bozak is going nowhere and I’m not sure Kadri will want to move to wing. We tried it before and he wasn’t very good there. Clarkson is having a horrible year, but he is also not a third liner. He needs to play, he is a “play off emotion” kind of guy and limited minutes doesn’t suit him. Him and Carlyle are not clicking. He earned minutes last night after his fight, which also sparked the team. I still think Clarkson will be useful, but not in the way he is being used, so it’s hard to say what to do with him.

          • Gambo says:

            What? I think Clarkson is perfectly suited as a 3rd liner? He’s just not good enough to play top 6. He works his ass off though. I’d like to see him on the second PP, park him in front of the net and let Lupul work the side wall similar to Kessel.

            The 2nd line looks way better with Kulimen than it does with Clarkson, but I do think Clarkson would be a nice asset parked in front of the net on the 2nd PP, just like he did in NJ.

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:

              Clarkson’s career took off in NJ when he started to play on the second line. He was a 13-14 goal guy as a third liner. I said the same thing back then, give him the minutes and he will be a 20+ goal guy. Give him the minutes here and right players to play with and he will respond. He needs to be involved more to be effective. He sits too much with no PP and third line minutes. I would like to see him with Kadri and Lupul and leave them together for awhile. Bolland/Kulimen/Raymond makes a good third line.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        I’d love to keep Bolland too, just got torched for this proposal on hfboards (apparently Canuck fans think they’re getting Subban for Kessler instead).

  10. lafleur10 says:

    boy are the leafs ever in a funk i think it’s over boys it’s too bad too…because i really wanted to play the leafs in the 1st rd….oh well i guess i ll wait until next year…it sucks even more because we would’ve beaten you guys too …oh well i guess we’ll just beat the lightning

  11. leafy says:

    The important thing is we have our health.

    • realistic_leafs_fan says:

      We all know Dion had a bad playoff last year after a good season and has had a good season this year…until recently. I am not saying get rid of him or trashing him, but is Dion able to handle the pressure of a playoff race or playoffs?
      In the past 10 games, Dion has 7pts, but is a -9. That’s right -9! Gunnar 5 pts and a -3. Yet the whipping boy pair of Franson 2 pts Even and Gardiner 8pts -1 over the same 10 games, have stepped up their game when pressure is on, just like they did in the playoffs.
      Is Dion Captain Collapse when it matters? Like him or not, his play in last years playoffs and this years drive for the playoffs has to be a concern. I sure as hell hope this is just coincidence.

      • kessel_leafs81 says:

        I agree.. i think the d-pair of franson, gardiner has really stepped up.. hopefully gardiner could put some weight on and become better at knocking guys off the puck, his body position in the corner isnt bad, hes just simply too light and gets knocked off the puck, he puts on a few pounds and he’ll be alot better IMO.

        Well boys, these next string of games are crucial. Next game vs philly is crucial to stop the losing streak and then the game vs detroit is a MUST win. Hopefully we take advantage of their injuries and play a little desperate. Then after that we have calgary who we should beat on almost any given night at home.. then face boston.. that one i dont expect to win but the 4 games after are vs 3 non-playoff teams not fighting for the playoffs in jets sens and florida… we face tampa in that mix too so in the remaining 8 games we got to win 6 of those 8 and with the odds, we should be okay. We sit outside of the playoffs right now with more games played then washington and columbus which worries me but wouldnt mind a rematch vs the bs and how good it will feel to have a chance to knock them out first round.

      • leafy says:

        The thing is, with the lousy goaltending that Reimer provided in most of those games, it’s very difficult to evaluate the rest of the team.

        • realistic_leafs_fan says:

          True Leafy, but Reimer isn’t the total fault. Dion was -3 last night with Bernier standing on his head. Reimer came in relief in the LA game and didn’t let in a goal and on two other occasions held the opponent to 3 GA. Reimer has been bad, but Dion has not looked good for about a dozen games.imo

          • Gambo says:

            I wouldn’t say 12 games. I thought he played great Saturday, when they needed momentum he went for a big hit and drew a penalty. But yeah, he played just downright awful against St. Louis.

            One of the goals against was with an empty net so he was more like a -2. Still, he played bad.

            I wouldn’t single out Dion for these losses, the whole team has looked bad while showing periods of brilliance.

            • realistic_leafs_fan says:

              As a whole when the pressure has been at it’s highest…Dion has not been good on most nights. I think it is fair at this point to question if Dion can handle the pressure when winning is becoming an expectation instead of a surprise.

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