Trade Speculations Starting to Brew

The NHL world is tasting the brewing speculation of trades bound to happen soon; and, the taste is so good that it is….

(takes on the Flyers, Coyotes, Rangers, Panthers, and Flames)…orgasmic. No, let’s not go there with exaggerations.

The season keeps maturing and the trade talking is starting to get louder. We have heard a few bad rumors out there, such as Daniel Alfredsson to the Los Angeles Kings, but I must say that the media has not been so bad yet as far as rumors, except for the intelligently challenged Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun.

It is obvious, though, that some teams need changes, and because of those obvious changes, the media has an easier time making sincere speculations. Otherwise, we would have the media going impatient that they would make up ANY kind of rumor. Any kind of rumor such as Chris Chelios using Viagra because he can no longer score………………………… score goals I meant! Of course….

Anyway, the three teams most likely to make a trade, or moves in general, are the Philadelphia Flyers, the Phoenix Coyotes, and the Calgary Flames.

As far as the Flyers go, I think they are risking it big time. I don’t believe Petr Forsberg will be traded anytime soon, probably in February. But, the team is leaving this problem in the hands of an Assistant General Manager who apparently is not even comfortable taking over the reigns. Would you, as an owner, really want to leave this situation to someone like that? The Flyers have a good amount of players to trade for pretty good return value, and they are left with two options.

1) Revamp the team by trading current roster players for NHL ready players.
2) Put up a fire sale and build up the future.

These decision are tough to make and I would not even be sure of the choice to make. Revamping the roster with good changes may turn the team around and actually have a good impact rather quickly, but the risk is that if the NHL ready players do not help the team, then the Flyers are stuck with nothing to show for.

To set up a fire sale pretty much means tank the season by acquiring early round draft picks and good prospects. The risk is that the future prospects may turn out to be busts.

It’s not easy, especially when interim General Manager Paul Holmgren did not see this whole situation coming. It just happened all of the sudden and everything landed on his lap. If that would have happened to me, I’d be frustrated and nervous. The future of the organization is all the sudden in your hands, and it becomes your responsibility. At this point, you have to go with your instinct and choose what you think is best. So, after mulling over the situation for the Flyers, here is my plan:

TANK THE SEASON. This team is too disturbed, too frustrated, and too problematic to hope for good quickie fixes with younger players. Besides, not many teams will be willing to trade NHL ready players now. So, use the strengths of the organization, which in this case is scouting. The Flyers have very good scouting and all scouts should be assigned to search for good prospects to trade for. Paul Holmgren should not be dialing numbers as much as people would think. Personally, I would let my number be dialed to listen to offers. Tell the other NHL clubs which players could be traded now, and let them make the offers. If the offers are worth it, pull the trigger. It won’t make a difference if the trade has little impact. At this point, personally, I would send my scouts to work and get ready for a fire sale to occur around the Trade Deadline. Acquire young talent, good draft picks, and get ready for next season.

How does that sound for Flyers fans on here? Please share your opinions.

To be frank, but my names is still Micki, the Phoenix Coyotes are a disaster. Michael Barnett and Wayne Gretzky have no idea how to handle this franchise. While I respect the Great One so very much, it is obvious that he has no impact on the team. I bet most of you have watched the Coyotes, and they play as if they had no coach to begin with. I know that is harsh criticism towards 99, but let’s face reality! To bluntly put this, the Phoenix Coyotes SUCK. They have skilled players, they have decent depth, but they are a pathetic team to watch and the reasons are quite obvious. Barnett has no idea how to improve the team. Actually, he has not had a good idea in quite a long time. So, fire the guy! Probably Wayne Gretzky cannot be touched, but what if the Coyotes FIRE the horrible general manager, give those duties to Gretz, who in my opinion is better fit as a GM, and hire Ken Hitchrooster as the coach. That is when the team would turn around! Gretzky is an intelligent hockey man, he knows the game inside-out, he knows what a team needs in order to win. He can be such a good general manager, yet no signs that a change will be made for staff members.

So, a trade is most likely to occur. But, who can get traded? I would rule out players like Ed Jovanovski, Owen Nolan, Ladislav Nagy, and Jeremy Roenick. The defense may be tweaked first before any major moves happen. It could be that the Coyotes will once again trade with their best friends, the Philadelphia Flyers. These two clubs have had a good history of making trades, it would be no surprise to see another one coming. Maybe Robert Esche is on his way back to where he started, for possibly Curtis Joseph? No one will trade much to land Robert Esche, because no one really needs the guy. So, could the Flyers just use a quick fixing in goaltending and give a shot at Cujo? Why not? Same with the Coyotes, why not give a go with Esche? It’s tough to take a good educated guess on who is getting traded on the Coyotes. I could see a minor deal coming, yet there is a gut feel that tells me that the much talked about BIG-TRADE-SOON-TO-HAPPEN with the Flyers will involve the Phoenix Coyotes. Main packaged players could involve Ladislav Nagy, Shane Doan, Derek Morris, Nick Boynton, Curtis Joseph, and Simon Gagne, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Robert Esche, Nolan Baumgartner, Mike Rathje, Sami Kapanen, and R.J Umberger.

Now, I don’t believe all of those players will be involved, but at least two from each side will be involved if such a trade happens. I would not do it if I were the Flyers GM unless it is a no-brainer. I would do it if I were the Coyotes GM as the current roster is not working. But, it’s the talked big trade that is soon to happen with the Flyers in which the media talks about. My guess is it involves the Coyotes and the Flyers.

The New York Rangers had an odd trip to the West Coast. A great game against the poorly organized team Phoenix Coyotes. After that, an embarrassing loss to the Los Angeles Kings that was later followed by sending Darius Kasparaitis down to AHL’s Hafford Wolfpack team for conditioning. Now, Kaspar was not the only player that was stinking it up on the Rangers. Almost every Blueshirt deserved to be sent down for conditioning. It was a way to teach the whole team a lesson; it was a message sent. How did the team respond? They played excellent back-to-back hockey against two of the top teams in the West; the Anaheim Ducks and the San Jose Sharks. The Rangers played the system that Renney ants them to play and the work ethic level was reached, not to mention Kevin Weekes’s solid play in nets, although not so stellar either as he allowed a couple of softies that just beat him.

The defensive pairs were the ones to step up their game. One of the best pairs in the league from last season was pathetic to watch, yet Marek Malik and Michal Rozsival played their best games so far this season against the Ducks and Sharks, especially against the Sharks. The Sandis Ozolinsh-Karel Rachunek pair has been the best since the game in Phoenix and was even solid against LA. Ozolinsh and Rachunek. T
here is no explanation as to how that pair plays well, but they do. Tyutin and Ward keep it solid as well. So, if these pairs turn up playing well against the Buffalo Sabres, what’s going to happen to Darius Kasparaitis? Because let’s not forget that Tomas Pock is also ready to play the season in the NHL and there is no way that the Rangers will lose this guy through waivers.

Will the Rangers trade? In the month of November, there is no way that the Rangers cannot make a trade. They have to. The only ones who could get traded are Michal Rozsival, Karel Rachunek, Tomas Pock, and Darius Kasparaitis. Rozsival’s possibility of getting traded is very slim, however. Tomas Pock won’t give much of a return other than a 4th rounder at best, or a solid prospect in return, but always questionable. Rachunek can be dealt, but how many teams will really show interest? Still, a decent return would be sufficient for the Rangers as they end up clearing some salary and giving the spot to Pock. If not, then Darius Kasparaitis can be offered around the league, and that would free up a lot of space for the Rangers, but the only issue with that is that the Rangers will then lack a quality physical defenseman. Not that you really need one nowadays, but a team should always have a gritty defenseman who can play physical. Aaron Ward can be looked upon at, but why give him all the work when the guy is still working on fitting in? Nonetheless, interesting scenario.

To further make it interesting, the latest reports, mostly from the New York Post, are suggesting that the New York Rangers and the Chicago Blackhawks are having frequent talks about a trade. The one rumored is Brent Seabrook for Petr Prucha. Should the Rangers pull such a deal? I would definitely go for it. Don’t get me wrong, I love Prucha’s style of game as a Czech. The guy is made out of rubber. He gets hit hard to the point where most players could get a concussion, yet the smallish European gets up quickly and starts skating again and throws a little check. On top of that, he has deadly offensive instincts, which have not really shown up lately, but it’s also because of Brendan Shanahan taking up a lot of space. Now, why would I want to make this trade if Prucha is so cool? Because he is not a one of a kind player. The Rangers have wingers in their farm team to use, such as Nigel Dawes, who plays similar to Prucha. Brent Seabrook on the other hand is such a young talented defenseman who has the potential to be a top pairing defenseman. Seabrook is off to a bad start, but is also on a bad team plagued with injuries.

Remember last season’s Calder Trophy race and my chosen leaders on who was to win it? I had Alexander Ovechkin as #1, Dion Phaneuf as #2, and I believe I had Henrik Lundqvist and Brent Seabrook juggling 3rd place with Sidney Crosby in 4th. My argument was that if not for Phaneuf’s awesome play last season, Seabrook would be #2. I watched a few ‘Hawks games last season, and this guy was sharp. He is a natural born solid defenseman who will end up as a top pairing d-man. I am sure of it, I know it! If the Rangers can get this guy for Petr Prucha, it’s a great deal! And, I would not necessarily call it a steal for either teams. It would be a good hockey trade because Chicago gets MUCH needed offensive help, and Martin Havlat playing along with Petr Prucha could cause a major offensive threat. The Rangers would be looking at a solid future on defense around Fedor Tyutin, Marc Staal, and Brent Seabrook. It’s a good deal and I would like to see it happen.

The only problem is that it causes roster issues for the Rangers as far as defensemen go. But, something can be done and I hope the best for both teams. And you know something, I like the Blackhawks this year. I despise the owner, I am not a fan of GM Tallon, but I like the team and at least they made efforts to turn the franchise around. I respect a team that does that. I wish the best for Chicago.

The Florida Panthers are missing Todd Bertuzzi as he will be gone for about two months. They needed a scorer in New Jersey and on Long Island. They surely could have used one when playing the San Jose Sharks, but they played good hockey ever since the trip to the NY-Metro area. They played the Sharks really well giving an A effort, and only the ref had to blow it by making a very weak call on Martin Gelinas nearing the end of regulation. Against the Maple Leafs? Aside from the 3rd period slow down, they outplayed Toronto for most of the game. The Panthers adapted to a more defensive style game ever since missing Todd Bertuzzi, and so far it’s going fairly well.

Question is, will the Florida Panthers make a trade? I have been suggested not to expect a trade anytime soon, unless things get really ugly. On the other hand there is always a little speculation that the Panthers will try and maybe give a shot to a player who is on the block and can be had for cheap. First team in mind to make inquiries to is Philadelphia. Possibly R.J Umberger could be had for rather cheap. For who I cannot say. Umberger can provide scoring depth and he has good character on the ice (notice how I say, on the ice). Salary is rather cheap at just over $1M as well. Thing is, does he complement Jacques Martin’s philosophy? Hard to say, but he is the GM now so he ought to know. If the Panthers feel like they can go a little bit more expensive, they may give a shot at struggling forward Kyle Calder. The Panthers could try and trade Chris Gratton, providing the Flyers a much needed big-sized center, for Kyle Calder. While I have started to like Gratton, this move would be made for salary reasons as Calder’s salary, for one year, nearly reaches $3M. At least the Panthers have players to look at who are up for sale if they ever need a scoring winger.

The Calgary Flames are also in trade talks. They need a center. No, duh. They needed one ever since…..I don’t know, I’d say………….. LAST SEASON!? Come on GM Sutter, how the hell did you miss this one? Not to mention the illogical trade of Steve Reinprecht for Mike Leclerc who is currently unemployed. What a sh….. crap deal that was. So what if Reinprecht gets injured, at least you’d have a skilled center to use when healthy. The Flames are low and someone needs to shoot a big, loud, and nasty fart to release enough methane gas to light up half of Canada and cause a major heat wave. Oh wait, that would not be a good idea with Al Gore being all so seriel about it thinking global warming is coming, along with Manbearpig (inside joke for South Park fans). But seriously, how did GM Sutter go into the season without a real center? Daymond Langkow was a good idea. I thought he could have pulled it off, but he clearly did not fit as a 1st line center, to play with Iginla.

So what is he waiting for!? Maybe he is ready to coach again and get Playfair out? He has got to make a trade before his team loses too many games. Sign Jason Allison at this point. He sucks defensively, sure. He is not a good skater, fine. But he is frikkkkkkkkkkkkin good on offense! Maybe trade for Mike Comrie, or Mike York, if still available.

Calgary Flames must make a move if next week adds more numbers under L than under W.

Thanks for reading as always,

Micki Peroni
Vice-Administrator


39 Responses to Trade Speculations Starting to Brew

  1. Flames04Champs says:

    I admit the Flames have been struggling lately, but there's no need to press the big shiny red panic button. If you watched last nights game against Columbus (yes i know, COLUMBUS beat us, but that's not the point), you'd have noticed that we played our best game yet. In fact, Langkow was the best player on the ice for the Flames. This game was the turning point for the Flames' season, Tanguay finally scored, Langkow's turning it up, Iggy has been strong all season long, Lombardi is the fastest guy on the team (and is using it), the Flames had energy and were hustling, and the only reason the Flames lost that game was because Jamie McLeanen was in net. So to sum up, no need to panic, and NEVER blame Sutter! Go Flames Go!

  2. markjohnston says:

    there's no question in my mind that next week will see at least one "blockbuster" deal, probably a minimum 2 for 2 deal, possibly a three team, multiplayer deal – who knows?

    the fact is, there's a lot of teams out there struggling, but who have a lot to offer (philly, ottawa, phoenix, calgary, boston even). any two of those teams SHOULD be ready to pull the trigger on just about any fair deal to jumpstart their team.

    I can't see any reason why two of those GM's can't get together and get something that benefits both teams…even though it is so early in the season (compared to when the first big trades usually start happening).

    I also wouldn't rule toronto out of trade negations. I could see them swapping a young offensive D prospect (white, bell, colli) to any of the above teams (or possibly edmonton) for either an established defensive D man OR an established scorer for mats to play with. toronto has overextended themselves to put up so many points this year, but I think/hope JFJ realizes that.

    speaking of edmonton, I still think they're after a puck-moving d-man or two. they could play into some of this either in november or dec.

    my pick for most likely trading partners has to be phoenix and philly, as mentioned by you miki.

    great article by the way!

  3. lynchmob540 says:

    As a Flyers fan, i would NOT trade Carter, Richards, Umberger, Pitkanen, Nittymaki or any of the YOUNG kids not yet on the team (ie. Downie, Giroulx).

    If i had a choice, i'd try to improve the team by dealing Gags WITH Hatcher or Rathje for a solid d-man and forward with some offensive potential (Beauchemin and Ryan from the Ducks?).

  4. iginla012 says:

    "but there's no need to press the big shiny red panic button"

    There is too!! How long before they go into a slump again?

  5. iginla012 says:

    We have to do something now!!

  6. neilios says:

    The trade speculation from Ottawa and Vancouver is that they where talking a possible deal that would involve.
    To Sens-Morrison and Cooke
    To Canucks-Vermette,Neil,and Meszaros
    Wouldnt be a bad deal for both teams the Sens get some much needed 2nd line scoring and the Canucks get a pretty good puck moving Dman what they need so desperatly on there 2nd PP unit and some much needed toughness in Neil.But Iam also hearing the Flames are interested in Morrison too and they would be offering up Ference and Lombardi.
    I sure hope that the Canucks go out and get some much need PP Dman they suck right now with Fitzpatrick and Bieska playing the 2nd unit.Some other possible trades that might happen.
    To Flyers-Cooke,Schultz,Bourdon,and a 1st round pick
    To Canucks-Carter and Pitkanen
                          or
    To Canucks-Seabrook
    To Blackhawks-Chouinard,Edler,and a 2nd round pick

    These could be some possible moves just suggestions and pretty fair deals for all clubs.

  7. blarneylad says:

    Hear ya on the south park joke haha

  8. mikster says:

    Hold on a second there dude!

    You’re telling me, and others, that a 5-4 loss to the Blue Jackets was the team’s best game yet?

    That should definitely give Sutter a reason to press the panic button.

    I think the Flames will win against the Blues, but if they lose then Sutter’s got to start making changes.

  9. 92-93 says:

    I think you are probably right about these struggling teams trading with one another (especially the Flyers and Coyotes).

    But still, there remains a huge opportunity for these teams who are not struggling (or are not struggling that much) to trade with these teams.

    For my Leafs, the most attractive player from these troubled teams has to be Ladislav Nagy. I don't know what the Leafs would have to offer but there would have to be salary going back the other way and probably a good young player as well. It is too bad that Coliacovo is not healthy and proving himself right now because the Leafs have quite a few two-way defensemen that they could offer up (perhaps White), along with a high draft pick, and another player (and a younger one at that).

  10. 2006 says:

    Your politics are so retarded they make me want to cry.  Can you refrain from any political comments in future post?? That would be great.

  11. mtl_prince says:

    problem with that is that gagne and hatcher or rathje total salary is what, 8-9 million. the onlt way they get traded together is if salary goes back to philly, and unfortunatly, beachemin and ryan arnt making 4 mill. each…..

  12. mtl_prince says:

    your no fun, lol!

  13. mikster says:

    Thanks markjohnston, compliments are greatly appreciated.

    I think the Bruins will wait it out a bit more, and probably after they hit the game-25 mark they will start making a move.

    The Senators have Muckler. The man has a huge ego and there is no way that he will admit he made a mistake with this roster by pulling an early trade. If he does that, in his mind that’s admitting to an error, and he has too big of an ego to admit to it.

    He made big changes in Ottawa and many of them were questionable. Looking at how things are right now, John Muckler ruined this team.

    Edmonton could look for an offensive d-man, and the Rangers have Rachunek to offer. If the Oilers need a right-handed shooter, he’s the guy to go after for cheap. Not that many offensive d-men are available yet. So, it could be a while.

    Next week something could happen, but i’d expect at least the 20 game mark to hit before a big deal occurs. Remember, Big Joe was traded after 20 games, i believe.

    Toronto has little to offer and few options to choose from. I don’t see a trade happening within a conference as of yet, unless it’s a minor deal. A deal involving Wester and Eastern teams, yes. Edmonton may give it a go, but Ian White is still young and not yet 100% ready to take full responsibility of QBacking the PP. Oilers need someone with more experience. Also, i don’t think the Oilers have much to trade either. They’ll be looking for an offensively gifted d-man who makes under $2M, most likely $1.5M is the highest they’ll go for, who is experienced, and who’d come in cheap.

  14. mikster says:

    I would not want to trade Carter, Richards, and DEFINITELY not Pitkanen either. But, say if the Coyotes may deal Nagy to the Flyers, who’d be an awesome get for Philly, then it would be tough for the Yotes to acquire Gagne’s salary, so they’ll most likely look to get either Carter or Richards.

    I like those two, but they will take a while to fully develop and frankly……they haven’t really stepped up this season. So you figure if a major change is going to happen, then Carter or Richards has to go. Pitkanen, no chance in hell. RJ Umberger is a dork, i would not feel bad losing the guy. Nitter….i don’t think so either but i don’t think he is that good as well.

    Hatcher won’t be moved, he’s now considered one of the worst defensemen to get. Rathje’s salary is high, but would be best traded by the trade deadline. The Flyers will have to wait it out for Rathje so they can acquire better return value for him.

    Gagne’s salary is also tough to trade, but there will be buyers out there. The Canadiens could look into him and see if they can pull the trigger. But then again, it’s best to trade after half a season is over. Trading Gagne now, unless in a package deal, won’t get you as much as trading him around January/Feb.

    Anaheim is a team that prefers to subtract salary, not add it. No chance that they will take on more salary now that they are still undefeated in reg-time.

  15. mikster says:

    Vermette, Neil, and Meszaros for Morrison and Cooke cause one big issue for the Canucks. A lack of a center. They’d only have Sedin to be the only top center on the team. Unless the Canucks could also acquire a center elsewhere along with the trade then fine, if not…no way. And, i don’t think the Sens will trade Meszaros.

    I’m hearing more like….Cooke for Volchenko.

    No way the Nucks and Flames trade now.

    Out of the question that the Flyers trade Pitkanen. And for the Hawks, they’d want a top 6 forward capable of scoring 30 goals.

    Nice ideas, but there is no way that they will happen. But if they do, you get to make fun of me all ya want!

  16. lynchmob540 says:

    Very good point.

  17. mikster says:

    Nagy would be IDEAL for the Leafs, but there is little for Toronto to offer in return. You can’t just trade d-men for a top six forward.

    The teams that are not struggling enough for a big change won’t be making a big deal anytime soon. They still have faith in their roster and it’s also too early for them.

  18. mikster says:

    There was no political comment, it was a joke from a South Park episode intended for South Park viewers to understand. If you take it literally and misinterpret it, even though i said “(inside joke for South Park fans)”, then you will take it as a serious political comment. It was far from it.

    Other than that, lighten up.

  19. FlamingHomer says:

    Flames04champs was bang on in his evaluation. They aren't going to make a trade just for the sake of rotating players. Sutter already made the team better in the off season. The players, as they did last year, just haven't got it together yet. The contracts of Iginla, Phaneuf and Kiprusoff still have a couple of years left so the team will not be unloading until they exhaust their at least two chances at the cup. 
    The game against Columbus was encouraging even with a shootout loss. McLennan let in three softies and the Flames battled back from a 3-1 deficit. This may be the only area where we may see some changes. Sutter has no patience for bad goaltending. 
     

  20. Pilgrim says:

    Al Gore IS a moron.

  21. ranger_fan says:

    Its time to take a look at our MXC impact replay…

    Mik nice to see you contribute on the thread 4 articles down dealing with the Rangers/Hawks. Anyways I agree Prucha for Seabrook would be beneficial for both teams and both players.

    The positives:
    NY is misusing Petr Prucha and barring an injury to someone on the Jagr line or Brendan Shannahan, he will be wasted in the lineup because Renney doesn't know how to balance a lineup.

    NY gains a big powerful young two way defenseman which they are sorely lacking. Isn't it sad Aaron Ward is the closest thing we have to that?

    Nigel Dawes should finally get on the second line instead of in and out of the lineup.

    Colton Orr would be in the lineup every day until Jed gets healthy to get his 1:45 ice time per game.

    NY is trading from a stregnth to fill a weakness so it helps both teams, well kinda, the Hawks are hurting everywhere.

    Pock is that much farther from being in the lineup.

    The negatives:
    You upset Jagr. This is Jaromirs kid that he has taken under his wing, and now he sees one of his better friends leave after he has found success in NY.

    You lose one of our most promising youth forwards.

    I would like to see a little more in this trade. I would like to see Rozival or Malik involved, and I would like Sindel coming to NY. He fits Slats European player mold, and seems promising.

  22. mikster says:

    I disagree, when the obvious is shown then you have to make the change. Regardless of how good they were last night and tonight against two mediocre teams, the Flames need a true first line center. That was their issue last season and it will be again this season.

    Time will tell, but if the struggles continue, especially against more challenging teams rather than mediocre ones, then a change must be made.

  23. mikster says:

    Does not matter; we’re not making a political discussion here. All i showed was a joke from a show. Let’s not start real political talk or else i will have to delete this whole thread.

  24. mikster says:

    Well, i work on these articles for a couple of days sometimes, but i made it more in depth about the rumor with the Hawks and Rangers.

    You have a point that Jagr may get upset, but he’s also got other Czech buddies, so i don’t think he’d make such a big deal about it, especially if the Rangers sign Jan Marek for next season, God willing.

    I think Dawes should be sent down and Orr playing every game.

    Pock has not had one very noticeable bad shift so far, he deserves at least 5 straight games now.

    Prucha is not being misused, he is just hard to place in the lineup we have because of Shanny. Prucha got half of his goals on the PP, Shanny’s taken his spot so it’s obvious that Prucha’s prodction would definitely diminish.

    Just because the guy is not scoring, does not mean he’s got to be traded. Didn’t Shanahan sign a 1-year deal? So, he will rebound next season.

    My arguement is that Prucha is not a one of a kind player and if the Rangers have a chance to get a top pairing d-man who is just 21 years old for the common 2nd line 30 goal scorer, then it’s a must do trade. To see a future defense of Tyutin, Seabrook, Staal, probably Baranka and whichever free agent is added, is potentially awsome and more effective than having a 2nd line winger.

  25. 92-93 says:

    note: in an attempt to divorce politics from sports, i am saying beforehand that i am not speaking about a political issue, but about the issue that you are slide political comments into your posts.

    the fact that the guy could tell your orientation from the comment you made, the fact that you made the global warming comment then put a comma, THEN made the South Park reference means that – yes – you did say something that had a right-of-centre aroma to it (usually it smells of BS by the way).

    you are essentially talking outside the side of your mouth. you are farting and running away giggling. all i am saying is that instead of using your administrative powers and threatening to ban people or delete entire threads, etc., perhaps consider a softer warning, one that doesn't make you to be such a wus when it comes to political issues. because, right now, it seems like you don't have any kind of depth to you, it seems like you make these kinds of comments and then run away and hide under the 'cant-talk-about-politics-in-a-sports-forum'  in order to cover it up.

    don't get me wrong, I think you do have some depth to you, but maybe take our previous PM dicussions as an example for your 'softer warning.' Maybe state something like: 'no politics here please, but if you want to discuss politics, by all means private message me and we do that there, not here.'

    i say this because I DO understand that often, political discussions among sport fans often degenerate into racist, pig-headed, and narrominded/shallow rantings and debates, the equivalent of whipping penises out to compare size.

    BUT, as i have said before, just because YOU cannot see the political slant in what you say, OTHERS DO. and obviously i am not the only one who detects it. so, once again, if you do not want to dicuss poiltics DO NOT MENTION POLITICAL ISSUES IN YOUR POSTS, however slight they may seem to you. and if you do, own up to it, DONT RUN AWAY FROM IT, and issue the soft warning/offer to debate that i noted above.

  26. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    WHERE ARE THE LEAF RUMORS!!??????????? DAMN SALARY CAP!!!!!!!!!!

    Ugh, you know what!

    To Toronto: Peter Forsberg
    To Philadelphia: Nik Antropov, Mikael Tellqvist, 2nd Round Pick

    Ok, we have one ridiculous Leaf rumor, I feel better now.

  27. ranger_fan says:

    My Pock that much farther away from being in the lineup was supposed to be a negative… sorry for any confusion.

    I agree with your point to an extent. Petr Prucha is almost a lock to be on the first line in a couple of years when Jags retires, Shanny is gone/retired, and Slats finally realize that Straka and Nylander are second and third line talents. But for the time being is being used in the second line AND GOD FORBID the third line. That is what I call not using him properly. There is no way a kid who hustles that well and plays well defensively should not be seeing ice time.

    And you mention half of his goals on the PP… well a third of those were with a 2 man advantage, and guess what, I don't think NY has dished it off to Petr once! They are always trying to set up Shanny or Jags which is the worst 5 on 3 strategy there is. Have puck control with lets say Nylander behind the goal line but just outside that trapazoid, Prucha at the his offwing side of the net, Jagr to the opposite side, Shanny up top and the other forward right in front of that net for a screen or to create chaos and jam that *****er in. Gee sound familliar? Its how cullen got one just as the 5 on 3 expired.

    Back on topic, yes Seabrook would be a huge addition and the other would be Ward or Senguinetti depending if you are talking next season or the season after that.

  28. ranger_fan says:

    …wait that would really work! Philly is just going to blow off the season and dump forsberg anyway! That second round pick might be the sticking point tho.

    There now we have a ridiculous reply!!!!

  29. Flames04Champs says:

    Alright, I agree, we do need a centre. But only if the price is right, and its not for someone useless like Allison. It needs to be a Sutter style player, not just an offensively minded Maple Leaf who can't play defence. So mikster, touche.

  30. Senatorsfan78 says:

    I think the Florida Panthers should trade Gary Roberts to the Ottawa Senators.

  31. Doctor says:

    Your critique of the Rangers is just off. Stick to other teams.

    #1: Nigel Dawes does not play a similar style to Prucha. Just because Dawes and Prucha are around the same height does not mean they have the same style. Dawes throws his body around a lot more, but has much less of a scoring touch. This is almost as bad as the guy that said Prucha was a poor man's Shanny last week. You people don't understand Rangers hockey.

    #2 A Prucha-Seabrook trade would never happen. Not only has Prucha developed a very tight relationship with the captain and man who leads the NHL in scoring, but he is, by all reports, a hard worker. He plays at 100% every night. And you don't want to piss off Jagr. Ever. He is moody.

    #3 Although the Rangers defense has been shakey lately, they have a lot of young talent, as you said. Trade Kasparitis. Maybe trade Malik. Make space for Staal and Pock. Maybe bring Leetch in. No matter what you do, do not pull the trigger on a trade that sees Prucha exit.

    You have not been to the Garden for the last 2 years. Prucha is a fan favorite. I don't care that he has been pushed to the secondary by Shanny. This kid will be in the blue until Jagr retires, mark my words.

  32. Doctor says:

    To Minnesotta: Sundin
    To Toronto: Daigle

  33. Doctor says:

    To the Islanders: Tucker
    To Toronto: Richard Park

  34. Doctor says:

    Listen to me: Jagr would get VERY upset. I read this post after I made my own also. Jagr and Prucha shared a house together last year. Look at the two of them when they celebrate. They do that almost sarcastic overhead left right pump (Hossa does too). These guys are actually friends and nobody in management will mess with it. Because you don't piss off the guy who leads the NHL in scoring. Did I mention Jagr is moody?

  35. TheDugg1er says:

    isn't vermette a center????? i'm just thinking back to the video game and vermette is a center. Maybe not in real life i'm not sure

  36. TheFish12 says:

    Sens have not given up on Meszaros yet, the names coming out of the Ottawa Sun are Volchenkov and/or Schubert (which IMO wont garner too much)  while I would absolutely LOVE to acquire Cooke (Imagine a third line of Cooke, Fisher and Neil) I am not sure Morrison is the answer for Ottawa.  In any event a more likely trade would be:

    to Canucks
    Vermette, Preissing and Hamel
    to Senators
    Morrison and Cooke

    or hopefully

    to Senators
    a voucher for a free Big Mac
    to anyone
    Alexei Kaigorodov and some Tylenol (to help witht he headaches caused b this kid)

  37. mikster says:

    1) I disagree. Both are speedy wingers who work along the boards. Both are fiesty and Prucha DOES throw his body around. McLaren took a huge run at Prucha, he got up and then answered by giving a check to McLaren. They both do that. Dawes’s shot is a blast, so is Prucha’s.

    The only MAJOR difference is that Prucha shows his Euroness inside by having better moves with the puck and is probably a bigger threat on breakaways. Dawes is probably simpler with stick handling and the way he controls the puck is not as skillful.

    2) Probably it won’t but if the Rangers continued to lose games due to defense, I could have seen them do it, and i would have done it myself. Yeah Jagr could get moody, but nexy season is his last in the NHL (unless the Rangers get him to change his mind) and that would be all. Rangers could still get Jan Marek to sign and he’d be another Jagr-buddy teammate.

    3) They do have it, but they can’t find much room for it. I’d still keep Malik as from what I heard on MSG, he had 8 root canals and that really drains you. I’d leave Staal in his last season in juniors. I like what i saw from Pock and Baranka. Kaspar could be sent packing though. Not sure if it would be a good idea either. He is a character player and when he is on his game, he makes an impact on the team.

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