TSN Hockey’s Top 10 players most likely to be dealt by Mar. 2

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  1. doorman says:

    Habs land Smith-Pelly for Sekac, wonder how this works out for both teams?

  2. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Lol, Jeffler is high on Marner, growing pocket of bloggers liking him?

    Kessel, Kadri, Nylander, Marner moving forward? I still like what Ritchie brings more than Nylander.

    So despite what arguments go on here, that’s the most terrible plan for a rebuild I can imagine.

    • doorman says:

      while an argument could be made for either player I have no problems with the skill over size choice. Far too often this team has done the later and it hasn’t always worked out(Biggs). So until they both play it’s hard to say who was the right choice. Now while Marner is small from what I have researched he plays hard, like Gilmour dare I say, goes to the dirty areas. Not saying he is Gilmour, jst making a small player comparison.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Sam Bennett is Gilmour like yet Sam Bennett can’t do a wide grip pull up, for someone as light as he is not one, you expect him to compete consistently men?

        • doorman says:

          Now you are talking about a different player then you brought up in the first place, lol. Now do you know how many pull ups Gilmour could do? I don’t. Do I expect Bennett to, yes but not as an 18 year old. I don’t think the majority of 18 year olds should be in the NHL, but that’s just me. On that note Marner isn’t Bennett and vice versa. I know a few guy who can’t do many wide grip pull ups, but pull down more then they weigh for reps, that doesn’t make them weak.

          • leafs_wallace93 says:

            I’m talking about small players, they fit. Bennett can be feisty ok but it doesn’t matter how hard you get if you’re only four inches.

            Gilmour played in an era when players out hit the bar after practice.

    • leafmeister says:

      If Strome is not available I’d like to see them get one of the D-men. I wouldn’t be too upset with Marner, but the thought of building out from the blueline with Rielly + one of Werenski, Provorov or Kylington (or on the off chance, Hanafin) is pretty enticing.

      That should give them a good #1 and #2 d-men, with the rest being filled out by whoever manages to develop from Gardiner, Percy, Finn, Loov, Granberg, Nilsson, Valiev etc.

  3. leafmeister says:

    Question for you guys. Who do you think has been more damaging to the franchise, JFJ or Brian Burke?

    I’d have to go with Burke. The Kessel trade is an abject failure. The Phaneuf trade, while looking good at the time, has brought about zero good results and the Leafs are now stuck with his contract thanks to the old-boys club Burke left in place ignoring what a blackhole of possession Dion is and giving him that stupid deal. The Lupul/Gardiner trade was pretty good, but Gardiner looks like a 50/50 chance he’ll be a bust, and Lupul, is once again, a bad contract to move out. The Kaberle trade didn’t end up working out. He made a decent pick with Kadri, but trading up for Biggs was a terrible move. The JVR for Schenn move was great though.

    Most damaging though was the old boys club of his buddies that he brought in who remained here after he was fired. They didn’t buy into analytics and didn’t understand how the salary cap worked. They are responsible for the salary cap hell this team is in now.

    This could be a very good team by now had they brought in someone less pig-headed and arrogant who would have rebuilt this team following the proven formula for success.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      You what amuses me, wanting a Kaberle like return for Kessel and calling it a step forward.

      • LN91 says:

        It’s called market value genious.

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          Genious? Great burn son.

          That’s why I pointed out that this may not be the best market given the cap squeeze around the league so try to trade him later or keep him.

          • LN91 says:

            That’s market value for him…

            What are you think you’re getting for him? Not even Nash got that much.

            • Steven_Leafs0 says:

              Nash also demanded to leave. His value was cut down by the other GMs knowing they didn’t have to offer up a fortune for him.

              Moving Kessel for a package similar to Kaberle got is dumb. If that is all we are being offered then stand pat and wait until the market changes. We have time. Kessel isn’t going to bust anytime soon.

      • leafmeister says:

        Trading Kessel wouldn’t be a step forward. It would be the ever necessary step backwards so that they can get on the right path, so that future steps forward can actually lead somewhere.

    • nordiques100 says:

      JFJ.

      He was in charge of the team through the first lockout which really was the opportunity for the Leafs then to start over.

      Not necessarily a rebuild, but, they had a great opportunity to replace a lot of old players and surround Sundin with better talent. They had an opportunity too to get premier talent, especially on defence, but financially, could not afford to do so.

      Instead he crippled the Leafs cap situation and had like no understanding at all the NHL landscape in the cap world.

      So it resulted in sideways moves and lots of desperate moves that made no sense. At the end of the day by the time Burke took over, there was absolutely nothing. He left the Leafs in shambles.

      Burke misfired by trading draft picks. At the time he took over, it was the absolutely best time for the team to start building the way Chicago, Pittsburgh and other cup winners were doing, finding their core guys via the draft.

      The Leafs then had nothing. But instead, he wanted immediate results getting more established talent and older prospects. He built a core that was via trades. He made bad moves but some were ok. I don’t really recall anything good JFJ did.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Really Burke misfired on not trading the Kadri pick with Kaberle for Kessel and then trading the picks. His margin of error was that thin in the big picture.

        That and his boy scout attitude to the UFA and RFA market.

        • nordiques100 says:

          He shouldnt be trading picks period. Same goes with JFJ who didnt recognize the value of draft picks either.

          Their 3 best forwards, Lupul, Kessel, JVR, their top 2 D (until Franson was traded) were via trades and their no. 1 goalie? traded for.

          Draft draft draft. And who you pick, how you groom them are so important. Toronto is awful at this. Both picking the players and making them into NHLers. Maybe Hunter, Dumas can turn this around.

          • LN91 says:

            And it’s the biggest reason Toronto has been the least successful in the Post-0405 lockout era.

            Butke made one mistake as GM, and that set this franchise back even further.

            Funny though, how picks and prospects became important when he went to Calgary.

            • leafs_wallace93 says:

              All picks and prospect aren’t equal.

              • LN91 says:

                Kessel was a mistake.

                • leafmeister says:

                  We’d be as excited as Isles fans are right now if we had Seguin/Hamilton.

                  Fuck Brian Burke.

                  Although, funny story. I did meet him in 2012. He seemed like a decent guy.

                  • LN91 says:

                    I liked Burke as a GM…And I must admit he is doing a fine job overseeing the Calgary rebuild.

                    However, like I said, one error defined years of ‘not bad’ work that he actually did.

                    • leafmeister says:

                      Part of my resentment on Burke is the group he brought in, and I can’t help but feel his influence on them. He was responsible for the Komisarek signing after all.

                      Nonis and co. had zero regard for the long term implications of their signings, and even said so.

                    • Steven_Leafs0 says:

                      Must be nice to have the power of hindsight to judge everyone.

                      Burke took a chance to make a team that could win now. He picked up an elite scorer, swapped pieces with ZERO value for ligitimate assets and used his open salary to take on assets (Franson, Lupul).

                      We had nothing. Yes it didn’t work out but it was a solid shot. At least now for this rebuild we have pieces that we can get something for. I didn’t see a Franson type player getting us a 1st round pick when Burke took over.

                    • LN91 says:

                      And how did this franchise turn out?

                      skipping a few steps means shit.

                • leafs_wallace93 says:

                  Seguin was a mistake but it’s not like we traded him for Louie.

                  No one is suggests trading a top five pick. But if it’s Florida’s 14-16th overall, then that’s a different story.

          • doorman says:

            Under Shanahan, the hiring of new and different thinking staff, no big spending or attempt to on a UFA market the firing of Carlyle and trading early of Franson/Santo for a 1st and a prospect we are going to see that change. I think there has been a shift in philosophy in management, but only time well tell.

            • LN91 says:

              I feel like there should be a shift…They brought in the right personnel (Dubas and Hunter) to make that shift.

              The performance post Carlyle probably confirmed it.

              • doorman says:

                We will all just have to wait and see the draft not the deadline will tell us where the thinking lies with this management group, IMO. Unless they make a few unexpected moves between now and the deadline.

  4. nordiques100 says:

    Its timing. The Leafs had NOTHING in 2008. They should NEVER had traded ANY picks for 5 years. First thing Burke does, trade picks.

    The deal wasnt as bad as the timing of it all. They were actually at ground zero. The Leafs had nothing on their roster. Zero, zilch, zippo, nadda, nothing. At that time YOU NEVER TRADE DRAFT PICKS EVER!!!!

    No matter who was available, that wasn’t the time to do it. The horrible timing set the Leafs back 6 more years.

  5. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Tanking this year is would be great, and the Leafs are doing as well as they can at it at the moment. But before stripping it bare with regressive moves to get worse, ummm, the lottery is changing next year where no one is assured at top five pick.

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