Tweet from Darren Dreger
For those unable to see Insider Trading. Offer for Grabovski is for a 2nd rnd pick and prospect. Could get more. Still hope to re-sign him.
https://twitter.com/#!/DarrenDreger/statuses/170333151208538114
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Goodbye Gary Carter. As usual, way too soon.
Now I must watch Field of Dreams.
Ugh I really don't know about this. A 2nd and a prospect is a joke unless that prospect is a true blue chipper. I realize that this is just a starting point but still. Grabovski is undoubtedably the top UFA center on the market this year, and is playing great hockey lately.
In this absolutely seller's market Moore once again got a 2nd rounder for 4 goals and 19pts. If a team wants to land Grabo you're going to pay a premium or you're going to settle for something else (very likely nothing). 1st round pick plus a mid level prospect is the starting point. If you're not willing then don't waste your time.
If Grabovski is moved that is a big blow to the playoff drive. I have no doubts in my mind Burke can re-sign Grabo for a reasonable contract. So if he is moved it will be for a proper return. Perhaps Burke feels Colborne is ready to inherit the role but I'm not at all comfortable with more or less giving Colborne the job. Make him earn it at camp.
Burke is probably use the threat of a trade as leverage in contract negotiations. The issue likely isn't dollars but term. I would give Grabo fair amount in dollars but I'm sure Burke doesn't want to go past 3 years term. Very curious to see how this plays out.
Also is Grabovski is traded away by the deadline and the Leafs miss the plays again (f*ck!!), hope you guys enjoy Wilson.
If Burke takes away one of Ronnies weapons say hello to a new excuse. I feel all but sure that Wilson will get his extra year.
That Bruins/Habs game was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen, and that goes for brutal calls and missed-calls vs. both teams. Absolute disgrace.
Gill to the Preds for a pick (not sure how high). Didn't think they really needed him, but I guess he could help a PK that's just average right now.
2nd in 2012 and a conditional 5th in 2013.
If it means getting some good assets…And he's re-signed in the offseason? Then I'm content.
I have no issues in acquiring high draft picks or very good prospects. It's better then being 8th or 9th and getting raped in the first round IMO and nothing to show for it.
This team is still far away, why not add more until they are ready?
I don't want playoffs…I want a cup.
The trades have started.
Yeah it seems weird but I guess they are trying to add some playoff grit. And this could free up a younger dman for Poile to trade for an impactish forward.
Whoops, it's much bigger than that.
Robert Slaney is getting bounced around like no tommorow.
Yeah, seems like an even thinner market than usual. Well, this isn't a trade that will make or break the franchise anyways so it's not that big of a deal either way I guess.
I still say it better be a damn good piece. Grabo isn't exactly filler.
Gill's starting to rack up the teams as well.
Well…If Moore, Gill, and Grossman are proving anything…It's a sellers market this year.
As well, their is not many orwards available, especially C's…And not many as talented or cheap as him.
Theirs many teams that could contend…Someone might throw out a ridiculous offer.
Well…If Moore, Gill, and Grossman are proving anything…It's a sellers market this year.
As well, their is not many orwards available, especially C's…And not many as talented or cheap as him.
Theirs many teams that could contend…Someone might throw out a ridiculous offer.
As is Moore lol. Who can trade a player the most!
Gauthier did well on this deal, IMO
I think TSN said this is Moore's 9th team since the lockout…lol…but I think the king of teams played for is still Michel Petit…lol
Random but i just saw this (Lucic on the miller incident). One of the best lines I've heard from a hockey player.
That's what I'm hoping for and why I'm becoming more open to the idea of moving him.
I actually gained a little respect for Lucic here. I've always liked him as a player but I always thought he was kind of a punk type player. But I really respect him for not saying anything to the media about Miller. Good on him.
mike sillinger i believe is
I disagree, making the playoffs is a very important next step in the development of this franchise. Losing in the first round is better than not making the playoffs. The experience is crucial to a young team, it makes it more atttractive to future UFAs, helps develop a winning culture. Im not advocating moving assets for a playoff push, the long term goal is still the same. However this season absolutely playoffs are the goal, anything less is failure.
I agree. Getting a taste of Playoff hockey is a very important building block when you have a young team like Toronto. I think the Bruins failures in the Playoffs definitely played a big role in their Cup last year (granted it did take a massive collapse to completely wake them up).
Well played sir, he beats him 12-10…..lol
Well played sir, he beats him 12-10…..lol
What a slut lol.
errrr, which one? or we could just name them sleezy and easy?
considering Toronto's position, and considering what Moore and Gill went for, I would value Grabovski at a mid/top prospect and a 1st. It is really high, but Burke has no reason to move him for less.
This is why I'm so hesitant against trading. However the idea of getting a very high return and having him come back July 1st is also enticing.
That;s what I keep on telln ppl, these stupid refs are getting worse and worse every year.
I'm with you here…too much talk about getting into the playoffs. We need guns that you only get drafting 1-2-3. We ain't gettin' that so….as Burke said when he came in…."we're going a different route". Trade anyone if it gets you a bigger gun…or a hopeful.
The problem for the Leafs is that the market doesn't have a huge amount of talent right now. I say that as I don't expect a lot of the "names" being tossed about to actually move. This in turn increases Grabos value in my eyes. You can see the over payments, like you said. If that is the case I am not sure they have a choice but to move him. Worst case scenerio, right or wrong if he isn't moved, Kadri slides into the postion. That stretch of games should tell the Leafs what they have in him at that spot.
As much as it would be great to land NAsh(for the right price), IMO, Gardiner being involved, lessens me wanting to acquire him, I mean if Subban is a generational talent, well gardiner is at least a H.O.F'er. Seriously though, I don't want him moved, this is a guy who anchors your power play without being a defensive liability for the next 10 yrs.
I would actually go so far as to say top prospect and a 1st. It's the only way it makes sense to move Grabovski in my opinion.
I agree. Gardiner is something special in my mind, and I like how he seems to be improving weekly.
Better be a hell of a prospect. Otherwise might as well keep Grabo. What's it gonna cost $4.75-5.5 million. Anywhere in there depending on the term. I don't see the point in "saving" the cap space and acquiring a 2nd and a medium prospect.
I mean we traded a 2nd and a prospect (who had just been drafted in the 5th round of the '08 draft) to acquire Grabovski when he was unproven. Now Grabo is somewhat established and the return for him hasn't gone up in 3 and a half years?
I hear you. I love Gardiner too, but let me put it this way….
You can either have option A or B, and forget that you're the Leafs or Columbus, or whomever, which do you choose?
Rick Nash
or
Jake Gardiner, Nikolai Kulemin, Nazem Kadri, 1st round pick
Don't get me wrong, there is a good chance that all these guys will be very good, especially Jake. However, history is against the Jackets. The team that gives up the big star for the package inevitibly loses in the long run. Whether that's Vince Carter, Roy Halladay…. hey Toronto has been f u cked a few times! Let's be on the other end of that for once.
Seriously, there is a good chance that Kulemin will be a really solid NHL'er, have a good career, maybe even hit 30 goals a couple more times. Kadri might be a good NHL'er too, so will Jake, and the 1st rounder might amount to a guy who ends up playing in the NHL too (odds are he won't become anything of note, historically/statistically speaking). So I guess what I'm saying is that all those pieces are replaceable, Nash is not.
agreed, I wouldn't accept anything less right now.
Bartschi, 2012 1st minimum for Grabo. I would ask for Bartschi, Granlund, 2012 1st. Wont happen but I would definitely ask for it.
You can't forget that your the LEafs though. Trades aren't limited to just the players. So many more factors come into it.
It will be better than that guaranteed.