Tweet from Darren Dreger

For those unable to see Insider Trading. Offer for Grabovski is for a 2nd rnd pick and prospect. Could get more. Still hope to re-sign him.!/DarrenDreger/statuses/170333151208538114

43 Responses to Tweet from Darren Dreger

  1. hockey_lover says:

    Goodbye Gary Carter. As usual, way too soon.

    Now I must watch Field of Dreams.

  2. blaze says:

    Ugh I really don't know about this. A 2nd and a prospect is a joke unless that prospect is a true blue chipper. I realize that this is just a starting point but still. Grabovski is undoubtedably the top UFA center on the market this year, and is playing great hockey lately.

    In this absolutely seller's market Moore once again got a 2nd rounder for 4 goals and 19pts. If a team wants to land Grabo you're going to pay a premium or you're going to settle for something else (very likely nothing). 1st round pick plus a mid level prospect is the starting point. If you're not willing then don't waste your time.

    If Grabovski is moved that is a big blow to the playoff drive. I have no doubts in my mind Burke can re-sign Grabo for a reasonable contract. So if he is moved it will be for a proper return. Perhaps Burke feels Colborne is ready to inherit the role but I'm not at all comfortable with more or less giving Colborne the job. Make him earn it at camp.

  3. blaze says:

    Burke is probably use the threat of a trade as leverage in contract negotiations. The issue likely isn't dollars but term. I would give Grabo fair amount in dollars but I'm sure Burke doesn't want to go past 3 years term. Very curious to see how this plays out.

  4. blaze says:

    Also is Grabovski is traded away by the deadline and the Leafs miss the plays again (f*ck!!), hope you guys enjoy Wilson.

    If Burke takes away one of Ronnies weapons say hello to a new excuse. I feel all but sure that Wilson will get his extra year.

  5. Boston_Bruins says:

    That Bruins/Habs game was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen, and that goes for brutal calls and missed-calls vs. both teams. Absolute disgrace.

  6. Boston_Bruins says:

    Gill to the Preds for a pick (not sure how high). Didn't think they really needed him, but I guess he could help a PK that's just average right now.

  7. Boston_Bruins says:

    2nd in 2012 and a conditional 5th in 2013.

  8. TheLeafNation91 says:

    If it means getting some good assets…And he's re-signed in the offseason? Then I'm content.

    I have no issues in acquiring high draft picks or very good prospects. It's better then being 8th or 9th and getting raped in the first round IMO and nothing to show for it.

    This team is still far away, why not add more until they are ready?

    I don't want playoffs…I want a cup.

  9. reinjosh says:

    The trades have started. 

    Hall Gill, conditional 5th in 13 today for Geoffrion, Slaney, 2nd in 2012
    Montreal gets a nice return for a UFA. Geoffrion needed a new start and a more offensive team should be a good thing for him. A 2nd is a 2nd. 
    Predators get an experienced playoff shutdown guy. He's a great playoff player. I would suspect this might mean they move a dman for a forward now. 
  10. reinjosh says:

    Yeah it seems weird but I guess they are trying to add some playoff grit. And this could free up a younger dman for Poile to trade for an impactish forward.

    Prices are pretty high though. Moore for a 2nd (third time lol), Gill and Grossman for 2nd's and another decent piece. 
    I feel like teams are trying to get ahead of things before prices get a little insane.
  11. Boston_Bruins says:

    Whoops, it's much bigger than that.

    Hal Gill and a conditional 5th round pick in 2013 to the Nashville Predators on Friday in exchange for Blake Geoffrion, Robert Slaney and second round draft pick in 2012.
  12. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Robert Slaney is getting bounced around like no tommorow.

  13. Boston_Bruins says:

    Yeah, seems like an even thinner market than usual. Well, this isn't a trade that will make or break the franchise anyways so it's not that big of a deal either way I guess.

  14. reinjosh says:

    I still say it better be a damn good piece. Grabo isn't exactly filler. 

  15. Boston_Bruins says:

    Gill's starting to rack up the teams as well.

  16. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Well…If Moore, Gill, and Grossman are proving anything…It's a sellers market this year.

    As well, their is not many orwards available, especially C's…And not many as talented or cheap as him.

    Theirs many teams that could contend…Someone might throw out a ridiculous offer.

  17. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Well…If Moore, Gill, and Grossman are proving anything…It's a sellers market this year.

    As well, their is not many orwards available, especially C's…And not many as talented or cheap as him.

    Theirs many teams that could contend…Someone might throw out a ridiculous offer.

  18. reinjosh says:

    As is Moore lol. Who can trade a player the most!

  19. dumbassdoorman says:

    Gauthier did well on this deal, IMO

  20. dumbassdoorman says:

    I think TSN said this is Moore's 9th team since the lockout…lol…but I think the king of teams played for is still Michel Petit…lol

  21. Boston_Bruins says:

    Random but i just saw this (Lucic on the miller incident). One of the best lines I've heard from a hockey player.

  22. reinjosh says:

    That's what I'm hoping for and why I'm becoming more open to the idea of moving him.

    Interestingly, this might be the time to move Schenn as well. He might never get more than right now. 
  23. reinjosh says:

    I actually gained a little respect for Lucic here. I've always liked him as a player but I always thought he was kind of a punk type player. But I really respect him for not saying anything to the media about Miller. Good on him. 

  24. lafleur10 says:

    mike sillinger i believe is

  25. blaze says:

    I disagree, making the playoffs is a very important next step in the development of this franchise. Losing in the first round is better than not making the playoffs. The experience is crucial to a young team, it makes it more atttractive to future UFAs, helps develop a winning culture. Im not advocating moving assets for a playoff push, the long term goal is still the same. However this season absolutely playoffs are the goal, anything less is failure.

    Moving Grabovski for even high end draft picks realistically will have no significant impact on the team for 4-5 years if ever. In the right set of cir*****stances it could be the right move but more than likely it will be a set back.
  26. Boston_Bruins says:

    I agree. Getting a taste of Playoff hockey is a very important building block when you have a young team like Toronto. I think the Bruins failures in the Playoffs definitely played a big role in their Cup last year (granted it did take a massive collapse to completely wake them up).

  27. dumbassdoorman says:

    Well played sir, he beats him 12-10…

  28. dumbassdoorman says:

    Well played sir, he beats him 12-10…

  29. KingCanada says:

    What a slut lol.

  30. dumbassdoorman says:

    errrr, which one? or we could just name them sleezy and easy?

  31. Steven_Leafs says:

    considering Toronto's position, and considering what Moore and Gill went for, I would value Grabovski at a mid/top prospect and a 1st. It is really high, but Burke has no reason to move him for less.

  32. reinjosh says:

    This is why I'm so hesitant against trading. However the idea of getting a very high return and having him come back July 1st is also enticing. 

    Like if we could get MacNeil and a first? That's basically two first round picks and Burke could work his magic on draft day to potentially move both his firsts for a top ten pick and a shot at Galchenyuk. That would be huge and might be the answer to our first line center problem. 
  33. toronto77 says:

    That;s what I keep on telln ppl, these stupid refs are getting worse and worse every year.

  34. frankinboltonleafs says:

    I'm with you here…too much talk about getting into the playoffs. We need guns that you only get drafting 1-2-3. We ain't gettin' that so….as Burke said when he came in…."we're going a different route". Trade anyone if it gets you a bigger gun…or a hopeful.

  35. dumbassdoorman says:

    The problem for the Leafs is that the market doesn't have a huge amount of talent right now. I say that as I don't expect a lot of the "names" being tossed about to actually move. This in turn increases Grabos value in my eyes. You can see the over payments, like you said. If that is the case I am not sure they have a choice but to move him. Worst case scenerio, right or wrong if he isn't moved, Kadri slides into the postion. That stretch of games should tell the Leafs what they have in him at that spot.

  36. dumbassdoorman says:

    As much as it would be great to land NAsh(for the right price), IMO, Gardiner being involved, lessens me wanting to acquire him, I mean if Subban is a generational talent, well gardiner is at least a H.O.F'er. Seriously though, I don't want him moved, this is a guy who anchors your power play without being a defensive liability for the next 10 yrs.

  37. reinjosh says:

    I would actually go so far as to say top prospect and a 1st. It's the only way it makes sense to move Grabovski in my opinion. 

  38. reinjosh says:

    I agree. Gardiner is something special in my mind, and I like how he seems to be improving weekly. 

    And I flip flop on trading for Nash. Today I'm on the side of not going after him and dealing our cap flexibility a blow. 
  39. mojo19 says:

    Better be a hell of a prospect. Otherwise might as well keep Grabo. What's it gonna cost $4.75-5.5 million. Anywhere in there depending on the term. I don't see the point in "saving" the cap space and acquiring a 2nd and a medium prospect.

    I mean we traded a 2nd and a prospect (who had just been drafted in the 5th round of the '08 draft) to acquire Grabovski when he was unproven. Now Grabo is somewhat established and the return for him hasn't gone up in 3 and a half years?

  40. mojo19 says:

    I hear you. I love Gardiner too, but let me put it this way….

    You can either have option A or B, and forget that you're the Leafs or Columbus, or whomever, which do you choose?

    Rick Nash
    Jake Gardiner, Nikolai Kulemin, Nazem Kadri, 1st round pick

    Don't get me wrong, there is a good chance that all these guys will be very good, especially Jake. However, history is against the Jackets. The team that gives up the big star for the package inevitibly loses in the long run. Whether that's Vince Carter, Roy Halladay…. hey Toronto has been f u cked a few times! Let's be on the other end of that for once.

    Seriously, there is a good chance that Kulemin will be a really solid NHL'er, have a good career, maybe even hit 30 goals a couple more times. Kadri might be a good NHL'er too, so will Jake, and the 1st rounder might amount to a guy who ends up playing in the NHL too (odds are he won't become anything of note, historically/statistically speaking). So I guess what I'm saying is that all those pieces are replaceable, Nash is not.

  41. Steven_Leafs says:

    agreed, I wouldn't accept anything less right now.

    Bartschi, 2012 1st minimum for Grabo. I would ask for Bartschi, Granlund, 2012 1st. Wont happen but I would definitely ask for it.

  42. reinjosh says:

    You can't forget that your the LEafs though. Trades aren't limited to just the players. So many more factors come into it.

    The more I think about it, the more I want no part of a Nash trade. He won't fit on this team. His contract is enormous and he won't be getting top line time. We simply don't need him. He doesn't fill the biggest need we have on our team and that alone means it's not worth giving up an asset like Gardiner. 
    Grabbing Nash handcuffs us. We lose salary flexibility, we take time away from our developing superstar Kessel, we destroy the depth we're building. 
    The way Gardiner is playing, he could be a number 1 dman. I'm not giving that up for a guy whose been a loser on his team for his entire career. 
  43. TheLeafNation91 says:

    It will be better than that guaranteed.

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