We can all get off Don Cherry's behind now

CBC just posted a story that a lawyer in Winnipeg proved Don Cherry right.

Interesting read (taken from the CBC website):

WINNIPEG – Don Cherry was right when he claimed mostly French-Canadian and European NHL players wear hockey visors, says a Winnipeg lawyer who crunched the numbers.

Curtis Unfried told Newsworld on Wednesday that his investigation of data showed 59 per cent of European players wear visors, followed by 55 per cent of French-Canadian players.

Among North American players born outside of Quebec, only 20 per cent wear face shields to guard against injury.

“At the end of the day, when you boil it down to [Cherry’s] one particular sound bite…, the numbers speak for themselves and clearly show what he did say is correct,” Unfried said.

Unfried said his research consisted of getting the rosters of all NHL teams, then going on the internet to confirm the players’ places of birth and whether they wear visors.

Unfried said he was surprised by the results of his research, especially the finding that only 35 per cent of all NHL players wear visors.


39 Responses to We can all get off Don Cherry's behind now

  1. edmontonrules says:

    LOL That’s just beautiful. Ok, so are there still annoying little buggers who have problems with this? Jack Laviolette or whatever your name is? Are you still pissed?

  2. cwthrash says:

    Yeah. He got the numbers right.

    Still doesn’t change the fact that he generalized two entire groups of players, basically saying they were all wimps. No matter if a certain set of numbers supports that statement, it was still very wrong to say what he did.

    Face it, his opinion on this is very out-dated and grossly prejudicial. Those people with a mind to think for themselves stopped listening to him a long time ago. His rantings, for whatever reason, get ratings and this is why he has the job he does.

  3. stopbitching says:

    We heard enough about this BS, living in Ottawa/Kingston region, I get to watch French TV a bit and I haven’t heard ANYTHING about this since last week, some guys are always bringing this dying story up. There is tons of trade rumours going around, why it’s always about this boring old story.

    “Grapes” is not going anywhere and I am happy about it. Let’s quit trying to prove a point that is useless anyway. This is not a politic website but a HOCKEY TRADE RUMORS one !!!!!!!

  4. stopbitching says:

    well said…thank you

  5. BarryMelrosesMullet says:

    Nevertheless there are still some people on this site that would like to get Don Cherry’s ass. GretzNYR99, big_booty, Leaf_Expert, The_Conductor just to name a few.

  6. Habfanforever says:

    Don Cherry knows his hockey, there is no doubt about that. Jacques Demers also knows his hockey, a lot better than Cherry in my opinion. Hell he won a cup with an underdog team, I guess that says it all. As far as Cherry’s comments goes, they can be very racial oriented, and I really don’t care for them. Saying things like Quebekers want Canada’s cash and not the country or calling Sidney Crosby a hot-dog. (He wouldn’t have called him that had he played in the OHL, guaranteed)

    Sometimes he makes himself look like the biggest hot-dog, thus voiding any credible hockey-oriented comment he made. That is why I no longer listen to Cherry but rather Pierre McGuire, Jacques Demers, Yvon Pednault, Gord Miller and Bob McKenzie because they give intelligible, HOCKEY comments and critics without trying to spice up their tv spot with Rush Limbaugh-esque controversy and heck, their ratings are just fine.

  7. nocuphere says:

    Thatta boy Don, f&^k em if they can’t take a joke. Cherry calls em as he sees em. Can’t blame a guy for that. Just void the guy out if you don’t agree with him.

  8. Primis says:

    Still doesn’t change the fact that he generalized two entire groups of players, basically saying they were all wimps.

    Oh come on thrash, the guy’s been saying that about Swedes for literally DECADES. Suddenly he includes French-Canadians with the Europeans though and it’s an issue?

    Bullcrap. If he didn’t call the French-Canadians out as part of his statement, nobody would care. The truth hurts.

    Why do people continue to make a fuss over Don Cherry, it only keep shim on-air instead of letting him fade into obscurity and be yanked for someone with modern hockey sensibilities (and with a broadcasting background I’m just the man for the job! Too bad I’m American…)

    — Primis.

  9. koho says:

    “calling Sidney Crosby a hot-dog. (He wouldn’t have called him that had he played in the OHL, guaranteed)”

    Actually he would have and did when he called Shcremp (who plays for the OHL London Knights) a hot dog when he did a similar move to Crosby’s during the CHL prospects game. You really shouldn’t make assumptions.

  10. Habfanforever says:

    Assumptions or not, here’s a 16 year old kid who’s trying to make the highly criticized game of hockey exciting again and all Cherry can do is bring him down. That’s low.

  11. cwthrash says:

    Truth to tell, I haven’t paid much attention to Cherry over the years (first year I’ve had Center Ice). I don’t really know too many specifics of what he has said in the last decade, or two, or three.

    It doesn’t bug me if he feels that way, about Europeans or French-Canadians or whomever. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I’m not all that fond of French-Canadian players myself, never have been. So on the whole, I probably should have at least gotten a laugh out of his statement if nothing else. But his inclusion of this group or that group isn’t what bothered me about this whole thing.

    He singled out a group or groups based one very specific factor, not justifying his opinion on any other level. And he did it with scorn in his voice. That reeks of arrogance, big time. I don’t give a damn what someone is talking about and whether I agree with them or not but when it is done in that manner, I get ticked off. There is absolutely no reason or rationale for speaking that way when there are far better ways of making a point.

    That’s the sole reason I’m still harping on this. You can believe me or not, up to you. But I’m hoping you will, because it is the truth and you’re one of the minority here who engages in intelligent banter. Hate to piss a good man off for a silly debate like this.

  12. Byzz33 says:

    I think the one who was pissed was you, more than anyone. Such commentary is low-class. Don’t believe all French Candians were mad about this stupid story, if you do, that’s a proof that you need the medias to form your own opinion.

  13. HabsNick says:

    Unfried said his research consisted of getting the rosters of all NHL teams, then going on the internet to confirm the players’ places of birth and whether they wear visors.

    If it’s on the internet, then it MUST be true!

    Also, in related news…

    59% percent of europeans and 55% french-canadians are more intelligent than 80% of North Americans born outside Quebec.

    The whole issue is moot, should NHLers wear the visor since those high sticks are bloody dangerous? yes! Should the league enforce it? No! it’s the player’s own bloody choice.

    Should everybody, their dog, and Don Cherry stop complaining about wether players should wear visors or not? YES!

  14. Leaf_Expert says:

    ahhh,

    You were born out of an ass….

  15. Jack_Laviolette says:

    Well, in my opinion, this doesn’t settle anything. This is not about visors and if you don’t know better, you are either blind or act like you are. Canada is home to two distinct cultures, plus many other minorities. Maybe this is hard to grasp from ever-white Alberta, but in Montreal, we understand that the key to social viability is respect of cultural difference. National TV has a responsibility of keeping away from this kind of xenophobic attitude, and already has taken measures to ensure they apply that. By the way, the original complaint about Cherry was made by some BC organization of parents.

    Allow me to cut-and-paste freely:

    (I hope you like to read)

    —–

    “CBC Television categorically rejects and denounces the personal opinions Mr. Cherry expressed during the segment. Comments such as those expressed during the show cannot be repeated and will not be tolerated,” executive vice-president Harold Redekopp said.

    —–

    CBC vice-president Redekopp says, Cherry’s remarks were “inappropriate and reprehensible opinion as part of his discussion about the use of visors.” His comments on Jan. 24, said Redekopp, “stepped beyond the role.”

    Cherry has been in trouble many times before for his controversial comments, which aren’t limited to hockey.

    —–

    OTTAWA (CP) – The CBC has placed controversial hockey commentator Don Cherry on a seven-second tape-delay leash and publicly reprimanded him over what management called an “inappropriate and reprehensible personal opinion” expressed on air.

    The announcement came Friday from Harold Redekopp, executive vice-president of CBC Television, and capped a day of Cherry-baiting invective that rivalled some of the former NHL coach’s colourful public pronouncements.

    “Mr. Cherry’s role on Coach’s Corner is, and has always been, as a hockey commentator,” Redekopp said in a release.

    “However, during the Jan. 24 show, he unacceptably stepped beyond that role by expressing an inappropriate and reprehensible personal opinion as part of his discussion about the use of visors.

    “CBC Television categorically rejects and denounces the personal opinions Mr. Cherry expressed during the segment. Comments such as those expressed during the show cannot be repeated and will not be tolerated.”

    —–

    Columnists and high-profile francophone Quebec hockey commentators, such as Jacques Demers of the French-language RDS sports channel and Michel Bergeron of the province’s TQS network, have condemned the remarks.

    “It’ unfair,” Mr. Bergeron said last week. “We’re all tired of it in Quebec.”

    Just a few weeks earlier, responding to reports that players were using drugs in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League, Mr. Cherry declared that drug-use in junior hockey was limited to the QMJHL.

    Mr. Cherry’s on-air partner, Ron MacLean, was himself criticized for making an anti-French joke at a dinner last year.

    He joked that Mr. Cherry, who was in the audience, supports French immersion: “He just figures they don’t hold them down long enough.”

    —–

    Canada’s official languages commissioner has launched a probe into Cherry’s comments, which federal minister Denis Coderre said were outrageous.

    “I find it despicable, I am hurt. People have got to stop continually resorting to these kinds of stereotypes,” said Coderre, who is from Quebec.

    “This is starting to go far too far…when you’re talking about this all the time and calling Frenchmen wimps, it’s unacceptable,” he told reporters on Friday.

    Jean Augustine, minister of state for multiculturalism, later told reporters that “the government will not tolerate statements that create dissonance in our society and disrespect for others”.

    She and Coderre demanded that the CBC take action.

    Part of the reason for Cherry’s repeated remarks about “French guys” is his contempt for the concept of Quebec sovereignty. The province had separatist governments from 1976 to 1985 and from 1994 to 2003.

    —–

    Augustine said: “Most Canadians who value diversity, who commit to ensuring respect for each other, would feel . . . that kind of language is not really acceptable.

    “The government will not tolerate statements that create dissonance in our society and disrespect for others.”

    That was a little too polite a critique for NDP Leader Jack Layton.

    Cherry, said Layton, “should be ashamed of himself.”

    “It’s disgusting and unacceptable. He should certainly be apologizing, and maybe something more than that. Who knows? I’m in shock.”

    Conservative MP Peter MacKay countered that everyone should just chill out and let the CBC deal with the matter.

    “This is a bit of a gag order on colour commentary,” said MacKay. “Colour commentary – not to mix metaphors – gets a bit into the grey sometimes.”

    —–

    NDP Leader Jack Layton said he was annoyed by the implication about French Canadian hockey players. “One of my most vivid memories is going to the Montreal Forum with my dad, at age six, and seeing Boom Boom Geoffrion, Maurice Richard, the Pocket Rocket [Henri Richard], playing the most amazing hockey. They are some of the greatest hockey players in Canadian history.”

    —–

    February 1998: In Nagano, Cherry blasts Quebec in the wake of comments by Bloc Quebecois MP that there were too many Canadians flags at various Olympic sites. “It’s a funny thing they don’t want the Canadian flag but they want our money. I’ve never seen such a bunch of whiners in my life.”

    April 1998: CBC Ombudsman David Bazay says Cherry went too far in his rant against Jean-Luc Brassard, Olympic freestyle skier and Canada’s flag-bearer in Nagano, Japan. Cherry called the defending Olympic and world champion “a French guy, some skier that nobody knows about.”

    —–

    Do you still beleive this is about visors and a harmless joke? It isn’t, and I’m not losing any sleep over this, but I see so many stupid and/or misinformed comments posted about this that I thought I’d let you know.

  16. BarryMelrosesMullet says:

    Go fuck your father dipshit!

  17. BarryMelrosesMullet says:

    Who really cares? if the frogs want to wear visors, let them. If the far superior anglophones don’t, so be it!

  18. edmontonrules says:

    That’s not very nice.

  19. edmontonrules says:

    When you get the information from where he got it there is no reason that it would be false. The whole reason why he got into that statement is becuase of the incredibly stupid things that are happening because people wear visors. People get more careless with their sticks. Thanks for letting me know that I’m an idiot though :) If you don’t like the topic don’t get into it.

  20. edmontonrules says:

    Thanks for the information. I now realize that Don Cherry has no idea what he’s talking about. What was I thinking for all those years?

  21. hockeyhead6868 says:

    Is it my mistake or did you quebecers want to leave the union so years ago. You are the least tolerant of them all.

  22. Gothamcityblueshirts says:

    Reminds me of the halloween Simpsons when Homer was the last man on earth since Mayor Quimby dissed the French and after said I stand by my ethnic slur!! Do your worse! And they nuked Springfield.

  23. Lint07 says:

    Cherry called Crosby a ”hot dog” and at first I was disappointed about it too and I didn’t share his opinion about the kid.

    BUT

    What people seem to have magically forgot is that he said that to PROTECT Crosby, stating that he would be putting a target on his head not because he did his great deke, but because he did it with a 5-goal lead!. Both teams were playing the first game of a back-to-back and Cherry basically told that players when losing by a big margin don’t like to be humiliated any more, he said that it was a lack of respect to the other team… and you know what? I agree with him.

    Not convinced?

    When interviewed by TSN about it, Brendan Shanahan said the following:

    ”I saw the goal, it was pretty nice. But be sure that if I was a Quebec Rempart player I would destroy him in the following game. I wouldn’t like to be humiliated like that.”

  24. Serdy says:

    also to prove that visor wearing players are the ones doing all the high sticking, someone should check the amount of high sticking calls visor wearing players get vs non visor wearing players…though this would take forever..

    serdy..

  25. Primis says:

    Naw I’m just sayin’, Don Cherry has literally made a living in the studio stereotyping players… North American players this, European players that, Candians this, Swedes that…

    I’m not ticked at all. I just find it silly that for whatever reason people have decided to make a fuss about this particular incident when he does it all the time. Makes me wonder if anyone else has ever actually watched the 1st Intermission of a CBC hockey game (shame too because their 2nd intermission Hot Stove is one of the best segents in the game)…

    — Primis.

  26. IrishRinkrat says:

    “Homer, you know how unpredictable the French are. One minute they’re kissing a woman’s hand, the next they’re chopping off her head.”

    Or, a different episode, but a classic line:

    “We can stand here like the French or we can do something about it.”

    Good ol’ Marge Simpson.

  27. cwthrash says:

    I probably shouldn’t have made a fuss. Hadn’t been up on that soapbox for a while, thought this was as good a reason as any.

    The beginning of this season was the first time that I’ve heard him in years. Guess I had forgotten what he was like. After about a minute of hearing him, I switched the channel and have only tuned into hear him every once in a while since. I’m just not a fan of people who portray themselves as he does. I’m as anti-PC as you can get, so someone speaking their mind is a good thing to me as long as they have at least a decent basis for doing so. A fair amount of what he says is for shock value, and to me that isn’t close to a legit reason. Like you said though, it’s how he has made a good living for himself.

    But to each his own. Some like him, some don’t. I guess he is getting the effect that he was looking for. But it’s probably time for me to get off this topic and onto someone more worthy of my ramblings.

  28. kingbobert says:

    Look honestly i dont like some quebecers too much but you know what even if the numbers show that he was right, the way he said it was more of an insult.

    How would you like it if Quebecers and europeans said the only ppl who complain are americans and canadians(apart from quebecers) and then came out with supporting numbers?…doesnt matter it’s still insulting

  29. Primis says:

    probably shouldn’t have made a fuss.

    No you’re wrong there. You SHOULD make a fuss. EVERYONE should make a fuss.

    It’s just that everyone also should have been making a fuss over it already, not now when he’s been doing it for years and years and years…

    If you or others weren’t aware he’s been like this for years, that’s cool. Most people in the US don’t get the luxury of actually getting to still watch CBC over the years (best Olympics coverage around, bay-bee!).

    I’m just… upset that people raise a fuss now, but didn’t back when Grapes was busting on Swedes for no real reason…

    — Primis.

  30. Habfanforever says:

    I agree with you to a certain extent. It is the QMJHL, not the NHL. Players in this league are there to prove something, to show their tools, they don’t have time to be “friendly”. If it where in the NHL, I would totally agree. Last time I checked, Shanahan doesn’t play for the Remparts.

    On another note. It seems that everyone thinks that Gretzky never got hit because there was always an enforcer watching him, yet he scored so much and HUMILIATED so many teams and they never managed to hurt him. Why? Because he is an intelligent player that learned how to “roll” off body checks at a young age. There is even the story where when he was younger, an opposing coach offered his players 2$ for every body check they made on Gretzky (remember, there was no Semenko or McSorley to watch him, this was in the minors), the coach ended up paying one player 1$, for 1/2 a body check. It goes to show you that there is still some smart hockey players and if Crosby plays his cards right, the only “protection” he’ll need will be against his skeptics and critics.

    i.e Cherry.

  31. bruinexpert says:

    the truth hurts

  32. Jack_Laviolette says:

    Leave the “union” (?), yeah, why would we want to do that? Thank you Don, way to promote unity! You obviously know a lot about canadian “cutlture”… well at least you understand that France has nothing to do with this.

    What kind of tolerance are you talking about?

  33. Jack_Laviolette says:

    I really love the Simpsons because they depict stupidity in a very intelligent and incisive way.

    The french are from France.

    French is also an official language in the following countries (the populations of these countries are only referred to as “french” by uneducated people):

    Belgium/ Benin/ Burkina-Faso/ Burundi/ Cameroon/ Canada/ Central African Republic/ Chad/ Comoros/ Democratic Republic of Congo/ Djibouti/ Gabon/ Guinea/ Haiti/ Ivory Coast/ Luxembourg/ Madagascar/ Mali/ Monaco/ Niger/ Republic of Congo/ Rwanda/ Senegal/ Seychelles/ Switzerland/ Togo/ Vanuatu

  34. edmontonrules says:

    How long did that take you?

  35. edmontonrules says:

    Je suis Jack désolé. Je vraiment sens le mauvais au sujet de la manière que vous prenez ceci. Peut-être si vous vous rendiez compte que quand une province essaye d’être leur propre pays et de se détacher de leur pays vrai juste parce que la “plupart” d’entre eux est un ethneticity différent que le reste du pays, le CANADA NE L’APPRÉCIE PAS ! Pour ne pas mentionner toutes les autres choses vous des types . Vous voulez être connu pour être différent ? Puits maintenant, grâce pour mettre la cerise et les médias, vous êtes connu pour être un groupe de chats qui doivent porter des pare-soleil.

  36. Jack_Laviolette says:

    The time to type it in my Google toolbar, investigative and narrow-minded friend.

    Do you have any point to bring to this discussion or are you just killing time? Come on silly, don’t be shy…

  37. cwthrash says:

    If I had known back then, I surely would have.

    I’m gonna keep on in my distain for him, no doubts there. I’ll just be one of the newer recruits to the army of people that already can’t stand him.

  38. Jack_Laviolette says:

    Beleive it or not, I’m beginning to like you. I can appreciate your pride, perseverance and combativity, and can also detect your sense of humor and wit. We may not share the same views but I beleive we do have those things in common. I’m not here to win a popularity contest and I really enjoy a good debate. That’s all there is to it, nothing personnal.

    I also think we’ve pretty much exhausted the political question and can’t wait to get my hands on some juicy Habs’ rumor.

  39. RatSale says:

    Haven’t checked every single posts here but a bunch of you are way off-track!

    I live in Quebec and yes I do watch Cherry’s 5 minutes of childish reflections and generalizations every now and then. Am I offended by his comments? Would you be offended by a 5 years old? He is quite simply a circus geek, if you take him for what he’s not (a human with common sense and average intelligence) then you might be offended but that is your issues.

    Coming along coache’s corner is like walking by any other freak show, wether its a beard women, a giant, some wrestling midgets or don cherry, its great entertainment! But please, show yourself minimal respect and do not take anything he says seriously.

    As for the visor, can someone explain me why Hockey is the only sport where as you grow up and the risks of injuries go up you wear less equipment? There’s been so many eye injuries lately that players still not wearing the visor must be quite stupid or have the slowest learning process ever; come on, even mice in labs can learn from what happens to their fellows faster. Vision is not as good with it! Yeah right; F1 pilots can see where they’re going through visors at 220 miles/hour but players can’t see what’s happening around them!

    What is it, exposing your eyes to injuries is more manly? Or the argument that if every player was wearing a visor there would be more cheap shots or high sticks; yeah as if since the coming of the safety belt and air-bags people were driving carelessly!

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