What a Night! + Jackets, Leafs, Blues, and Jets are in on Kyle Okposo

The rumor this morning is definitely surrounding Kyle Okposo. The Isles are in the market for a move to be certain, and I am pretty shocked to see Kyle may be available for the right price. A player I would grab were I a GM.

So far, Columbus, Toronto, St. Louis an Winnipeg are teams I am hearing have interest.


37 Responses to What a Night! + Jackets, Leafs, Blues, and Jets are in on Kyle Okposo

  1. toronto77 says:

    considering that the Isles are still in a rebuilding mode and Okposo is a former 1st rounder the asking price could be pretty high. I think the leafs should stay away from this deal. He's not the type of forward that can turn this team around, and we have so many prospects in the system that would make him expendable. If the leafs are searching for a top 6 forward they should setting their sites higher with a bobby ryan trade or something.

  2. dumbassdoorman says:

    I disagree, i they should absolutely see what the asking price is, or see if they can work into a 3team type deal.

  3. MystifoLeafs says:

    Asking price for Bobby Ryan (Rumor.)

    – Two top 6 forwards.
    – Good prospect/high draft pick.
    1. Mac Arthur
    2. Kuelmin
    3. Grabovski
    4. Biggs
    5. Percy 
    6. Aulie
    I would guess the asking price is going to be 2 of 1,2,3 and one of our defensive prospects, maybe even Franson. Honestly Ryan would be nice, Also don't take this next statement as Kuelmin is better than Ryan but I mean Ryan last year put up similar amount of goals to Kuelmin and Ryan is playing with the Art Ross champ (Perry). and one of the leagues best set up man (Getzlaf). I would be scared to see the numbers Kuelmin would put up next to those two.  Not to mention if I am Murry I want to get someone who can play the same game as Ryan. Kuelmin would be a MUST in that deal.
  4. MystifoLeafs says:

    Mistake Perry won the Richard not Ross.

  5. reinjosh says:

    We don't need Bobby Ryan. With the league's 5th best offense, it isn't something we're in short supply of. That's with Kulemin and Grabo not producing, as one person keeps mentioning over and over again. A top 6 forward isn't something we need right now. 

  6. reinjosh says:

    So it seems that the Flames are quite content to keep Iggy and as much as he could get, it makes some sense. He isn't yet over the hill (contrary to popular belief) and is 20 games removed from being a top 5 scorer in the league. I feel like they are going to just keep him and move the team forward around him .

    So what do they do? Really, the only option is a quick turnaround (at least a planned one, we all know they are hard to make work properly). 
    A guy like Rene Bourque will have some nice value similar to Mike Fisher, Dustin Penner and Kris Versteeg. So around a first rounder and a nice prospect.
    Olli Jokinen will have value as well. He's playing some of his best hockey in years and while he won't be putting up 70 points like he did in Floride, he's a solid two-way center with size that can be a 50 pointer guy. Considering how anemic the Calgary offense is, just the fact he's putting up those types of points show's he can be a second liner who is responsible on defense. Those types of players are gold in playoffs. 2nd and a prospect? First rounder? 
    Stempniak, Moss, Kostopolous, Sarich, Babchuk, Hannan are all decent depth players for playoff runs. Late round picks – 3rd or 4ths would suffice. Just clear the expiring contracts to get some depth in the system.
    Then possibly move Kipper and Bouwmeester if the opportunities present themselves.
    Kipper might have value to a team like Columbus. They desperately need a goalie, and while Kipper is aging, he would present them with a playoff tested option that has proven he makes a bad team better. Plus while his cap hit for the final two years would 5.833 million, his salary is only 5 million next season, and 1.5 the year after. Or to a team like Tampa who feel that they have the successor in their system but need a stop gap longer than Roloson can probably play. Ashton would make a nice piece for Calgary to target. 
    Bouwmeester is an expensive add, but he's a minute muncher. He won't ever live up to his high price, but he's a capable top 3 defender. A team like the Islanders might be interested? Maybe for Okposo (who would be a nice Bourque replacement), although I'm not sure if they are ready to give up on him yet. 
    Basically guarantee this team a top 5 pick and hopefully target Grigorenko or Galchenyuk (because I'm pretty sure Columbus has Yakupov locked up) to play with Iggy. A reverse Martin St Louis – Steve Stamkos if you will. 

    Get younger with some players, maybe target a Kyle Turris. Clear some cap space and hopefully turn it around with Iggy still in the fold. 

  7. MystifoLeafs says:

    Comeau has been claimed by the Calgary Flames. I like this move for them, brings in a young kid with potential. Going to be interesting who he plays with.

  8. dumbassdoorman says:

    Hey i said in the decline stage of carreer, not over the hill…..lol

  9. leafmeister says:

    The Penguins have Malkin, they dont need Crosby, but they are a hell of a lot better. The Leafs have Kessel, do they need Ryan? To make the playoffs? Probably not. You add another potential 40 goal man to the roster who brings an entirely different skill set, and the team becomes far more dangerous for years.

    This wouldn't be a stop gap top six, were talking about a core addition to the roster. Think about this: If this play becomes Kessel's norm, then having a 35 goal 2nd line guy is just that much better, if Kessel experiences ebbs and flows (he will), then having a guy who in my opinion has the potential to be just as good allows the team to remain competitive.

    This isnt something that I want to bring up, because what was once a dead horse has been beaten into a unrecognizable mess, but what happens when Kessel slows down at least a bit, or, godforbid, if his 10 games slump days are not behind him?

    This opportunity isnt going to come around every day.

  10. dumbassdoorman says:

    If the price is right I say grab him, you can never have too many quality players. Besides spreading out the goal threats eases pressure on both guys, really.

  11. Boston_Bruins says:

    A little pissed at the outcome of that game. We took it to the Wings but ended up tied going into the shootout. Not a good thing when you're facing Datsyuk. Oh well, all good things must come to an end.

  12. dumbassdoorman says:

    See that is why Datsyuk is the BEST player in the game….lol…and i hate the wings

  13. reinjosh says:

    I caught the last half of the last last period and was impressed with the Red Wings play. They were definitely outplayed at points but they weren't terrible. Plus Datsyuk was a beast, which is probably why I thought that. 

    What surprised me the most was how they didn't shy from the physical side. They definitely weren't going out of their way to lay out Bruins, but they stood up to them. 
  14. reinjosh says:

    That's not an accurate depiction of the situation we would have. If the price to get Ryan is two top 6 guys, it doesn't make us better, but makes us worse. Not to mention I'm not entirely sold on the guy. I'm not sure it would be a smart move. We already have three players on the second line that are capable of scoring between 20 and 30 goals. I'm not sure trading two of them for a guy that can put up 35 makes any sense. 

    This could boil down to me not being a fan of his. He gets to play with three of the best offensive players in the league in Getzlaf, Perry and Selanne. So he either gets the oppurtunity to play with one of the leagues best playmakers in Getzlaf, or gets to play behind one of the best duos in the league while playing with a 40 goal guy. 
    I question whether he could put up 30 goals here. 
  15. dumbassdoorman says:

    He is also under contract already longer then the others. grabo is UFA at seasons end and Kulie is RFA. We also have people knocking at the door to get in those spots.

  16. Boston_Bruins says:

    Oh Datsyuk was incredible. Same with Howard. Bruins really got to them with their forecheck, but couldn't cash in on Howard.

    Yeah, they didn't let the physical play affect them too much though.
    The Wings are the one team in the league I really want the Bruins to beat because I see it as a measuring stick. They've always had the Bruins' number, or at least lately. I took this as a positive even though they lost.
  17. Steven_Leafs says:

    I see your point but I gotta disagree with you. Lets say we give up Kulemin, Grabovski, and a 2nd for Bobby Ryan, with all the depth we have and the number of players who want to make the Leafs' top 6 (Kessel, Lupul, Connolly, MacArthur, Bozak, Colborne, Kadri, Lombardi, Frattin) we will be just fine.

  18. Steven_Leafs says:

    I'm ok with Calgary keeping Iginla but if they are going to make that drastic of a re-build then they really should move Iginla as well. Personally I would love to see him in Pittsburgh, Neal – Crosby – Iginla just sounds devastating. If he was movable I would make an offer like:

    Jordan Staal
    Paul Martin
    2012 1st round pick


    Jarome Iginla
    Cory Sarich

    Neal – Crosby – Iginla
    Kunitz – Malkin – Sullivan

    Scary good top 6. Sarich becomes easily expendable if Calgary is going through a 2-3 year rebuild. If Calgary wants someone younger than Martin then they could do this:

    Jordan Staal
    Matt Niskanen
    2012 1st round pick


    Jarome Iginla
    Scott Hannan

    I get the feeling though that Pittsburgh would prefer Staal which honestly is not a bad thing, but without Staal in the deal I doubt it would get done. What do you guys think would be a good trade between Calgary and Pittsburgh involving Iginla?

  19. senators_choke says:

    I'm going to have to disagree with you on this.

    In the playoffs, it's high-end talent and game-breakers like Bobby Ryan that make the difference.

    Ultimately you try to build a team to win the Stanley Cup, not win in November.  Guys like Ryan put you closer to the ultimate prize.

  20. senators_choke says:

    To prove how stats can be misleading, Andrew Raycrap still holds the Leafs record for most wins in a season.

  21. leafmeister says:

    Who knows if this is even true? But if it is, the chance to grab a guy who historically has put up more goals than Kessel, and costs less, is a chance that you obviously take. Players like Ryan don't become available everyday. Its not even a question for me. I'd have paid up for Mike Richards too. Im a believer that whoever gets the best player wins the deal.

  22. reinjosh says:

    OH I would have paid to get Richards to. Difference is I think Richards is a player that can play by himself. I question whether or not Ryan can and I want the player that doesn't need other players to be an impact player. 

  23. reinjosh says:

    I'm questioning that he has that talent though. In the end I know if Burke was targeting him, it would be for good reason, but I'm honestly not sure Ryan is a 30 goal guy with Getzlaf, Perry and Selanne. 

  24. reinjosh says:

    Yeah Howard was good in the time I saw too. I almost think that he might get a little underrated in the league. 

    I mean the physical play of Detroit didn't do much to the Bruins, but i was just impressed that they actually stood up to do it. Not many skill teams do that. 
  25. reinjosh says:

    Staal would be a must if Iginla moves. Those aren't bad trades for either side I don't think. Maybe Hockey_lover wants to jump in here? I like it as a Flames fan. Top 6 center in Staal, one's whose young and defensively responsible. Plus another first rounder. It's enticing.

    The issue about trading Iggy isn't whether or not it would be good for the team. It would be but I don't think Iggy wants to leave and Feaster seems to want to keep him. Signing Tanguay long term sort of points to them wanting to keep Iggy. 
    It wouldn't be a terrible fate. Tanguay and Iggy actually make a decent forward tandem moving forward. Both still have a couple years left (I know people think Iggy's on the decline but I'm going to stubbornly say he isn't :P) and would be perfect guys to insulate the young guys and teach them if the team goes with a youth movement. 
    That's the key to a fast turn-around I think. Keeping some veteran players to insulate the kids and show them how to do things when a struggle happens or when the season gets later on. 
  26. TheLeafNation91 says:

    LOL, crap, I'm in business (finance, etc) and I just cannot ignore stats.

    I view them for every argument I have and look to them to support my arguments.

    It's funny how the mind works for some people.

  27. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Ohh, shut it 🙂

  28. TheLeafNation91 says:

    He is, he was not drafted behind Crosby for no reason. That goal in the playoffs against Nashville was pure skill, not because of Getzlaf or Ryan.

    He is a gamebreaker, always beena  huge fan of him. Not to mention, a power-forward with skill-set like that is a rarity.

  29. leafmeister says:

    Do you see what Bobby Ryan can do? He isnt exactly scoring tap ins. He is amazingly skilled. Look at the jump in points for Perry that coincided with the arrival of Ryan. 54 to 76. Getzlaf was already a star, but he too benefits from what Ryan brings to the table. Its not like he is just mooching points. If traded, his loss would be felt.

  30. senators_choke says:

    Of course stats are important, but you have to remember to always use common sense.

    I've been trying to make this point with people for 5 years.

    The latest example is the Leafs' goals for stat. I don't care if the Leafs have been scoring well lately, the Leafs can certainly use 1 or 2 top game breakers, as most teams.

  31. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I agree as well, and most secondary scoring has seemed to come from blowouts.

    Unlike last night, which they won.

  32. senators_choke says:

    Fair enough. I agree he's struggled, but maybe then this is the time to target him.

    Lupul was exactly lighting it up when the Leafs got him.

  33. mapleleafsfan says:

    Where are you studying?

  34. Steven_Leafs says:

    yeah I know Iginla wants to stay and Calgary wants to keep him but I think that is a mistake. If Calgary cannot jump into a playoff position by January, they should trade him for as much as possible. The fact is he is on a decline, it may be as slow as a crawl but it is there and if they wait even one year to trade him they wont get as much for him.

  35. JoelLeafs says:

    Stats are very telling and useful. Not all stats are equal. I'm sure an analysis deeper than most wins in a season would reveal much more about the leafs and Raycroft that year.

  36. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Brock? U.

  37. mapleleafsfan says:

    Cool, yea I'm in finance too at concordia in mtl. 

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