What are we going to do?

Well this is my first entry, so please don’t tear me apart too bad.

Anyway, I’ve heard so many rumors this off season that my head is spinning. Everyone from Vinny to Shanny has been rumored to be heading up the St. Lawrence. But let’s face facts, what we have is what we’ll be seeing til season’s end. Now I’m not saying that Gainey may or may not pull off a trade or two in the upcoming months. but what, in reality do we have to offer? A good prospect (Kostisyn) for a veteran that may or may not help us reach the playoffs? Or a more seasoned player (Ryder) for an equally inept 5 on 5 player? Or perhaps an underachiever (Kovalev) for another underacheiver? (Zherdev springs to mind).
Now I’ve also been reading umpteen blogs about how Gainey should sign the likes of D. Markov, Selanne, Yashin etc. Guys haven’t we all seen the fact that players do not want to come play in Mtl? Simply put Gainey has to overspend on every UFA to even have a shot at them…27 mil for Hamrlik?? WTF! The only way I see this team going anywhere is with extreme patience. We have an incredible youth movement on the way and if Koivu wants to be a man and stick around he may get his shot at the cup later in his career, but not anytime soon.

However, on the flip side of all of this, if Gainey happens to pull off some sweet moves and get a little more talent into the lineup then perhaps we could at least see the light of the second round.

Let me know what you guys think.
Cheers to all


90 Responses to What are we going to do?

  1. DoubleDown says:

    hahaha of course it is…it's all 15-year-olds sitting in mommy's basement all summer, avoiding the sun like it's poisonous.

    every second post on this site is: leafs got toskala and blake they're contenders now. habs suck. hamrlik sucks. gainey sucks.

    it'll never change. it'll all work out in the end bacause by November, Leaf fans will realize that they're team is once again mediocre and not the contenders they thought they'd be. it's the same crap every year. at least we Habs fans know our team blows right now…

  2. ferron says:

        All these guys will get 25goals/season at best, all i'm saying is that we Superstars Prospects at Defense and in net but average foward prospect. Besides Latendresse and Beauregard none of these guys ever averaged a point a game for a full season?

  3. jpmac says:

    HA..a leaf fan talking about the habs not being good anymore..maybe you should look in the mirror before you start criticizing other teams

  4. jpmac says:

    Then why does Kayria go to St. Louis, Souray to Edmonton, or even Blake to toToronto, all teams with a very limited chance to win the cup?

  5. habsrock99 says:

    ok, the Habs don't blow. They're actually solid. If everything works, the Habs should be able to roll 4 decent though not great lines. Also, the defence has gone up a notch in the defence compartment but down in the offence compartment. And just a side note, I am not 15, i am 19, sitting on my laptop cuz i got nothing better to do since i have no money for beer and my girlfriend is on vacation with her family. I'm bored lol

  6. habsrock99 says:

    2/3 of the third line was solid last year, Johnson and Bonk, Perezhogin, though had a decent +/-, was also at times, not smart with the puck. They now have Smolinski, who is (1) An upgrade in all possible categories over Bonk (2) will work with the young guys who will most likely be playing along his wing. Yes the Power play went down a few notches but you know what, the Habs were amazing 5 on 4 but were terrible 5 on 5. I would sacrifice the PP just to make the 5 on 5 product that much better because (1) theirs 60 minutes to every hockey game and roughly 45 minutes of it is played 5 on 5 and half of the remaining 15 minutes is either PP or PK (2) Montreal's PK wasn't the greatest and now that Hamrlik is aboard, we now have upgraded 2/3 of each and every hockey game.

  7. habsrock99 says:

    Kariya to St. Louis because he doesn't play well with teams that have media coverage. Souray to Edmonto because, well, Edmonton was the only team willing to pay him his money. Blake to Toronto because Blake knows that he'll be playing for 20 000 + fans a night where as he was playing for 10 000-12 000 fans a night on the Island

  8. habsrock99 says:

    Latendresse in 3 QMJHL seasons had point totals of 49, 78 and 105 points in 53, 65 and 51 games. thats 232 points in 169 games. Milroy will never make the NHL for a full season. If he was going to, he would have done it by now. Corey Locke will also never make the NHL because he is too small and too slow. Truth is, ya Montreal has a lot of good young prospects but with each coming season, they get a year older and another year of not making Montreal. Not all of these guys will make Montreal's every day line up. Maybe 4-5 ever will but not all of them.

  9. habsrock99 says:

    Ok, here's the flaw in your comment. A coach drove Patrick Roy out of Montreal. No one else. It was Mario Tremblay's doing that led to Roy's trade. No one else. Had Ronald Corey fired Tremblay after that game, I put a personal guarantee Roy would have stayed in Montreal for another few seasons. You don't leave the NHL's all time greatest statistical goalie in a game to give up 9 goals. Theodore did it to himself. Being involved with the Hells Angels, having his father in law and brother in law arrested and charged for fraud or w/e. It was his wrong doing, not Montreal's management. Ribeiro's wrong doing was starting a fight with Koivu during a practice. As everyone should know, you don't try to make your Captain and the heart and soul of your franchise look bad. Samsonov's wrong doing was trying too hard. Some nights it seemed he had a personal vendetta to score a goal and he would often try too hard to score that he would usually cough up the puck. Kovalev's wrong doing is the fact that he tries every 10th game and is a shadow most nights. Then to go on to say that the Coahc hates Russians just becaue he himself knows that he isn't playing well.

  10. the_word says:

    Ok, then brag about your teams merits three years from now when your a playoff team.  I think a few Montreal fans are overestimating their prospects.

    Typical, even when the Habs suck, their better than the Leafs huh.

  11. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    Get back to your Make me laff site, asswipe.

  12. carbo3 says:

    Talent helps, but really, you know that the most important asset needed by the habs is veteran, Canadian leadership.  Every team that doesn't have it, doesn't succeed, particularly in the playoffs.  With the habs massive European factor, if they do make it into the playoffs they will fall flat (hello Atlanta!!!!).  I know it's hard for Gainey to attract these types of guys, but at the same time he is certainly trigger happy to acquire the services of Russian and other Eurol-lazy players—–it hasn't worked and never will–unless of course the habs play for the Olympic gold.  Europeans love to play for that.

    Smolinski and Tom K. will help in this area, but still much more is needed.

  13. carbo3 says:

    Talent helps, but really, you know that the most important asset needed by the habs is veteran, Canadian leadership. Every team that doesn't have it, doesn't succeed, particularly in the playoffs. With the habs massive European factor, if they do make it into the playoffs they will fall flat (hello Atlanta!!!!). I know it's hard for Gainey to attract these types of guys, but at the same time he is certainly trigger happy to acquire the services of Russian and other Eurol-lazy players—–it hasn't worked and never will–unless of course the habs play for the Olympic gold. Europeans love to play for that.

    Smolinski and Tom K. will help in this area, but still much more is needed.

  14. the_word says:

    Do you ever have anything insightful or realistic to say?

  15. habsoverserver says:

    gainey upgraded the parts that were not broken.  but the main issue – lack of even strength scoring by the top two lines – was not addressed.  i'm not saying this isn't an upgrade.  i'm saying when you fix a team, you get more bang for your buck for fixing the underperforming parts. 

    i'd also add that you don't become a contender by fixing the secondary aspects of a team.  gainey needs to address the shortcomings at the key skill positions.  i think hamrlik is a good replacement for Rivet.  the markov signing was critical.  but souray has not been replaced.  replacing the third line can't make enough of a difference to turn the team into a contender. 

    gainey should demonstrate his skill and acumen as a 15 year NHL executive with three finals appearances by taking less than four years to get a decent second line center.

    there are 120 centers in the NHL. i am sad that after three years, montreal still does not have two centers that rank in the top 60.  i'm not talking about getting one that ranks in the top 15 – which is critical to winning a cup. i'm talking about having two better than average guys.  and i don't think there is any offensive position where we have two players who are currently better than league average . 

    in

  16. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    The pot calling the kettle black.  You're so predictable, it's almost too easy.

  17. the_word says:

    Some of us just post here while their board in their cubicles at work. 

    It ridiculous to reduces all posts to Gainey sucks, the leafs got, hamrlik etc…  Because their is an equal amount of Gainey building from within, Montreal has a future, Toskela is Raycorft all over, Blake had a contract year etc… The bashing balances out. 

    Leafs fans endure more bashing than any others.  Its about time some of the other teams that get bashed when they deserve it.

    Again Leafs fans claiming their team is a contender are few and far between.  Leafs fans aren't the ones under the illusion that drafting a couple of players in the mid round of the 1st rounder will turn them into a dynasty. 

  18. the_word says:

    Again nothing to say, at least when I post shallow bashing I'm aware of it, keep in mind to which type of fans those posts are directed to (I'll give you a hint 24_Cups_and_Homers)

  19. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    "Leafs fans aren't the ones under the illusion that drafting a couple of players in the mid round of the 1st rounder will turn them into a dynasty." 

    Have you even read some of the comments Leafs fans have made???
    Either you're unable to read and comprehend written text or, conversely, you're just being dishonest.  Either way, you add nothing of value to a discussion, no matter what you may claim.

  20. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    You're in denial, princess.  Just because some folks present their views doesn't necessarily make them shallow.
    The definition of shallow is a pencilneck sitting in their cubicle inciting confrontation on a hockey board, instead of being a productive member of their company.  Now run along, you have more soliciting calls to make.

  21. DoubleDown says:

    i meant that the a$$holes who rip on this site are the 15-year-olds, and it's pathetic.

    as for our team, i can't call them solid until i see what they're going to bring to the table. what we saw last year in terms of how this team played the game wasn't good. if they can't tighten up defensively and avoid the annual December wear-down swoon, it'll be more of the same.

    and to the_word…not even going to touch your "dynasty" comment

  22. DoubleDown says:

    our biggest upgrade was hamrlik on D
    our D was very broken last year. and replacing souray is nearly impossible. there were two guys available–schneider and rafalski, and we couldnt afford either.

  23. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    "i meant that the a$$holes who rip on this site are the 15-year-olds, and it's pathetic."

    I agree, for the most part, DD, however, there are those "adults", the_word being cheif among them whose only goal in life is to create discord.
    I have tried to bebate this idiot, but all I get is diatribe and drivel.  He even went so far as to tell me that he sets "snares".  Now if he's to be believed, and he is indeed an adult, then he's trying to overcompensate for his feelings of inadequacy.  If, on the other hand, he's just a kid, I wish he's have enough balls to admit it and we could all just leave him to his own devices.

  24. the_word says:

    Oh, how I enjoy the infantile vile you post.  Dude, some people have to work in the summer to make money, when you grow up a bit you'll understand.  I actually was able to land a cushy job based my social graces (which you've hardly proven yourself superior).

    Keep the posting the hate, we both know thats all you have.

  25. the_word says:

    You're generalizing, you need to be able to make the distinction I have, those who are capable of debate and those who aren't.  You're clearly more interested in making personal attacks that debating hockey. The fact that you can't tell the difference when I'm posting a hyperbole and when I'm not speaks volumes of your ability to comprehend what you read.

    You see the difference is I have had debate about the Habs with plenty other Habs fans.  If you're right about me, how you explain that? 

    Obviously I have upset you to the point you can't let it go. 

  26. the_word says:

    Yawn, kid, no else cares about your issues with me, stop whining to other Habs fans in an vain attempt to assert your ego.

  27. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    You're an accomplished hypocrite.  One cannot get anywhere talking to a hypocrite.  I have been wasting my time trying to dabate with you.  You bring nothing to this site, other than conflict.  Your parents should have spanked you as a child to show you they cared.

  28. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    For your information, the word vile is an adjective, not a noun.  You may want to take a remedial english class to brush up on your obvious lack of knowledge.  You're a notoriously poor speller and have  great difficulty with grammar.  I'm a high school principal and we have a wonderful summer course for flunkies like you.  Had you paid closer attention to your education, you wouldn't have to work menial jobs to earn extra money in the summer.

  29. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    Kid?  You deserve a smack in the mouth for that one and I'd love be the one to give it to you.  If only…

  30. the_word says:

    OMG, you caught me on me to typos, good for you.  So I don't bother to proof read my posts on a hockey message board.  Even if you were a high school principal, I'm have a more education than you.  Again, open invitation to actually discuss hockey, as opposed to your petty approach.

  31. the_word says:

    I'm a hypocrite?  Didn't you tell me I wasn't worth your precious time.  Yet here we are.  I'm a contradiction, not a hypocrite and I'm aware of it. There is a difference.  I discuss hockey on this site and I occasionally bash.  You'll go to great lengths to avoid taking hockey.

  32. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    Yours aren't merely typos, moron, the mistakes you make show your lack of comprehension of grammatical rules.  But don't take my word for it, reread your last post and you'll see just how incompetent you really are.
    I realize that it's not easy for you to learn that you're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are, but sometimes the hardest things in life are the most important ones.  You're just a punk who hasn't been put in his place yet.  Now run along, pipsqueak.  Get some friends, play some sports or try meeting a girl, it'll do you a world of good.  Just avoid looking like an idiot by trying to convince others you're smarter than you really are, that just makes you look as bad as you feel deep down.

  33. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    Don't forget, you're also a liar.  You're the one who started this exchange, princess,  Lest you forget, you "set a snare" for me, Or do you have selective memory?  No, you're everything that's wrong with this site: posers, bored immature kids who want to convince others they're worthy.  You're nothing more than a juvenile delinquent with low self-esteem who has too much time on his hands (I don't believe for a second you even hold down a job), but wants others to see him in a better light.  Newsflash, mental midget, it's not working for you.  You're not fooling anyone with your lame attempt at turning a phrase (especially when it's badly written) and your obvious lack of hockey beyond what you see as knowledge of your precious underacheiving team.  You must have a hell of a time making friends with that lack of social skills.
    You're a loser who roots for a team's that's been losing for 40 years.  You two were made for each other.

  34. jayhabsjay says:

    when did i ever say the habs were better than the leafs? i dont know that, you dont know that the leafs are better than the habs either. wow the habs suck, why? because the leafs got 1 more point the the habs last year? real smart bud.

  35. MTL_HABS_24 says:

    No one has ever accused this buffoon of being smart, jayhabsjay, this misfit comes on the Habs' site to "set snares" as he puts it.  You cannot hope to objectively discuss any topic, hockey or otherwise without him making an attempt to dazzle you with his bullshit. 
    As you said, the Leafs earned one more point than the Habs did last year, yet, he boldly claims that the Habs suck.  Any one with any objectivity would say that if either team sucks, then it's only logical that they both do.  But when someone brings up facts such as Montreal being rated #2 in terms of prospect rankings, you quickly get the usual "Habs suck"fare from this trou-de-cul.  He has zero credibility, or hockey sense.

  36. hero11 says:

    Leaves fans don't endure bashing, the consistent crappy leafy team does.

    Because they suck.

    What other team in the league sucks sooo bad that they have to hire someone to "guide" the GM in how to run an NHL team.

    Nashville should relocate to TO and replace the leafs.

  37. KingSodom says:

    You know… I think there are about two ways of building a team that can reach the Stanley Cup finals. The first one is finishing dead last for a couple seasons like Pittsburgh did and get some fisrt draft picks, so you can get guys like Crosby-Malkin-Staal to play for your team. Seeing how Habs fans ***** about their team year after year, I don't think this would ever cross Gainey's mind.

    The other way around is doing exactly what Gainey and Timmins are doing : building from within and underneath. I think we're in an excellent position right now. Hamilton winning the Calder Cup is good news. The way I see it, the next one or two years will serve one purpose : make some room on our team to bring into battle tomorrow's Stanley Cup winners. They will develop alongside a few veterans and establish themselves as the core of our team. Once this is done and over with, we'll have a young and strong team that can battle against the better teams out there, but we won't be quite ready to go all the way. The time will come for the big moves. Once our foundation is secured, we'll see the UFAs signing with Montreal. Some of the Kovalev, Smolinski, Kostopoulos, Huet and maybe Koivu will be expandable when the young guys are ready to step up. Salary cap won't be a problem then, for the younger players don't cost too much money. With trades and UFAs signing, we'll get what we want by 2010. Right now is not the time. We need to know who will fit our 2nd, 3rd and 4ht line before making the last modifications for a playoff run.

    We've let go a lot of guys over the last 2 years : Rivet, Samsonov, Bonk, Johnson, Sourray. Youngsters are stepping up. I think we could see Huet leaving before march, depending on how Huet/Price are doing. If Huet has a strong first half-season, I think he'll be worth a lot for teams in need of a solid number one goalie. That could prove to be our first move for a big name forward. Bring up Price and let go Kovy if he won't play for Montreal…

    I think we'll have an excellent season. We'll make the playoffs and go for a round or two. Next year, will get some top UFA's, having lost some of our limping veterans, and watch out the next year.

    Let's not forget the problems with Higgins' injury, the death of Gainey's daughter, the injury of Huet and the problems with Kovy and Sammy. We were right up there before shit happens.

  38. habsgod says:

    hey!make me laugh  loser! we are still better than you guys! i'm willing to put money on it!  yeah and A lot of players wanted to come and play for a perrenial stanley cup dreamer (the make me laughs0 jason blake that was a good signing typical make me laughs! old and washed up bum!!! smart to pay a guy that's 36 5 million 43 years and counting it will be more like 60 years and counting for the dumbest organization in all of hockey!!!!! thats right make me laughs! the dumbest organization in hockey! when does wendel teach in his shower lessons with toller!!!!!!! bunch of fags!!

  39. habsgod says:

    hey!make me laugh  loser! we are still better than you guys! i'm willing to put money on it!  yeah and A lot of players wanted to come and play for a perrenial stanley cup dreamer (the make me laughs) jason blake that was a good signing typical make me laughs! old and washed up bum!!! smart to pay a guy that's 36 5 million 43 years and counting it will be more like 60 years and counting for the dumbest organization in all of hockey!!!!! thats right make me laughs! the dumbest organization in hockey! when does wendel teach in his shower lessons with toller!!!!!!! bunch of fags!!

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