What can they do..?

What can the leafs do to improve there offence?Its something we all know needs help, but how can we fix it?I think sending Ondrus down and sining Bondra to 500 000$(its around the same price he got last year) and then take Belak off of defence and put Harrison in.

What do you think of my plan and what is yours?

33 Responses to What can they do..?

  1. Aetherial says:


    They are screwed, period. The screwing started when they overpaid, long term for 4 d-men. It will continue when they sign Tucker to big dollars for 5 years, no movement (as was rumored this morning), and then they sign Sundin for 2 or 3 years, big dollars.

    Imagine Tucker getting 3 million, and Sundin getting 4.75 million… and for the next 3 years we have about 25 million tied up in 6 players.

    AND… we still don’t have a good winger for Sundin, still have a spotty offense, still have an average defense and an average goalie… and no hope of contending for at least 5 years, and likely much longer.

  2. wingedim says:

    I’d like to keep Tucker if possible, but, not at 5 years 17M like I heard last night. His style of play means a strong possibility for long term and or serious injury. I’d say sign for 1 maybe 2 years tops and see how things go from there.

    I agree that unless they can offload some of the heavy salaries, then they area screwed long term.

  3. Oley says:

    all i have 2 say is were not making the playoffs again if we keep playing like that. this is the 1st game that raycroft played really crappy. and as for aubin hes about just as good as a 10cent hooker. his legs r always open.

  4. wingedim says:

    What can they do to improve the offence? Quit putting the puck in the goalies chest pad. Shooting on net more has given them more opportunities, however, putting the puck into the goalies chest pad doesn’t score goals.

    I think they need to stick with whatever game plan they start with for a full game. Last night there was no forcheck for most of the game and like the Leafs of old, they were pinned in their own end for much of the first half of the game.

    As for D, I agree Belak needs to stay of the back end. He makes Gill look good. Bring up one of the younger D guys and let them play their position. Carlo won’t be long before he’s back up I don’t think. He’s only got a few more days left of the conditioning stint as he’s LTI status ends on the 28th so that should help shore up the D assuming he can stay injury free.

    Kubina and Kronwall are due back mid next month I heard last night as well so hopefully that will help further as well.

  5. 24_cups_and_counting says:

    In case u didn’t notice, Colicrapivo broke a bone in his hand and is gone indefinately.

  6. 92-93 says:

    yeah signing Bondra and trading one of the back-ups (and maybe Antropov, etc.) could be an option. but for the most part, this is not what leaf fans should be focused on IMO. the leafs have loads of offense from the backline (much of which, has yet to click – see Kaberle and McCabe) including young guys like White, Bell, and potentially Coliacovo and Kubina. the leafs are fine for work ethic, not so good for skill.

    the only ‘plan’ is to trim the fat from this squad (and salary) the best they can (Gill, Belak, Antropov, Telly/Aubin) and assess the situtations with O’Neill, Tucker, Peca, and Sundin. so some huge decisions have to be made. in the meantime, let the kids continue to play. we’ve got Poni, Stajan, Steen, and Wellwood playing and that’s all that matters. See what Suglobov has and give him some regular playing time. See what Bell and White have to offer. that should be the plan.

    from the Star: “Rumours had the Leafs opening with $2.5 million a year on a multi-year deal and the Tucker camp countering with between $3.5 million and $4.5 million per season. Sources with the Leafs, though, say the team is prepared to give Tucker a five-year, $15 million contract if those numbers would get the deal done. The offer reportedly includes the same no-movement clause included in Bryan McCabe’s contract this summer, meaning no trades and no demotions. Neither side commented on salary figures yesterday. “This process has to play itself out,” Sosa said. “We got some substance (yesterday) as to where the situation is … it’s good to know where you stand.”

    pretty interesting. I don’t think the leafs should offer him more than 3.5 and certainly not more than 2 or 3 years. and another no-movement clause? if that gets done, JFJ should be fired.

  7. 92-93 says:

    Also, careful with this panic posts. the leafs played their worst game last night. but these kinds of posts could have been made after their previous games too. not necessarily in terms of offense, but in terms of inconsistent play. that is the way the leafs are going to play for a little while and leaf fans are going to have expect that. i see a roller coaster of emotions on this site from a lot of leaf fans and i dont get it.

  8. 92-93 says:

    i dont think its that bad. yes the Tucker rumours are disturbing. but there is a potential for real change here – especially this year – that makes your ‘4-d-men’ comment a little too dire. when you look at Tucker, Peca, Sundin and lesser players like O’Neill, Belak, Antropov, Aubin or Telly, and Gill (3 years i know), there is potential here for some huge shifts in the salary cap and tremendous change. there is also NOTHING dire about seeing the kids play more often, which is happening now, or seeing a new system being installed (which TAKES TIME), which is happening now.

    So, say Tucker gets resigned for 3 years and 3.5 a year. that’s the max i would pay for him in years and in salary (but knowing JFJ, it has to be more than that, hence why he should be fired … hello resigning Belak for 2 years? Gill for 3 at 2.1 million, McCabe’s no-movement clause [after last night’s game, how horrible did he look!!!]).

    I love sundin, but you look at the possibility of trading him to a team like Phoenix for either Doan or Nagy (or both if you throw in someone young from the leafs and a high draft pick), and all of a sudden you see that huge contract getting displaced on (slightly) younger players. If Peca isn’t resigned along with some of the other names i mentioned, or if some are traded, cap space is freed. I am not saying its going to happen or that JFJ hasnt made this a crappy situation, but the positives remain, a lot CAN happen, and a lot IS happening right now in terms of Maurice and the likes of Bell, White, Stajan, STeen, Wellwood, Poni, etc.

  9. 92-93 says:

    completely unrelated: Tlusty is playing the OHL with the Greyhounds and i am fine with that. Now I have 3 players i am following in the CHL – Reimer with Red Dear, Oreskovich, and Tlusty. In the AHL, i am really following Earl and Williams and Mitchell. Anybody else in the system that deserves some close attention?

  10. wingedim says:

    Has Pogge picked up his game yet? Game I saw he was awful.

    But the other 3 would be the one’s I’d follow as well.

  11. wingedim says:

    I agree with you on the contract. 3 years tops at $3.5 sounds fair to me given his style of play. Anything longer, I think you’re opening the door to long term, lingering injuries that are not necessarily bad enough for LTI like Mogilny in NJ, but bad enough to not have any trade value.

  12. wingedim says:

    Yes I was aware that he broke his finger. Last I heard though was it wasn’t going to really effect his playing time.

  13. Aetherial says:

    Nor do I.

    Most people agreed at the beginning of the year that they would struggle to make the playoffs.

    As near as I can tell, they have had 2 impressive games. One against Florida, and one against Ottawa… out of the first 10.

    All I realistically want to see from this team is two things. 1) A future (sadly the “future” doesn’t start until 5 years from now at this point) and 2)Some solid coaching and good effort.

    Leaf fans got a much needed dose of reality last night. This is NOT a very good team, period.

  14. 92-93 says:

    yeah, Tucker’s career cannot last longer than age 35. he is just too reckless with his body.

  15. 92-93 says:

    i’m not sure. he’s going to look shaky for a while though now he is playing in a professional league. Tellqvist is eating up some starts too now. but, the leafs only have a week or two before they have to decide on him remaining within the organization.

  16. mojo19 says:

    Wait for Kubina to get back

  17. mojo19 says:

    I can almost guarantee both Doan and Nagy will not be moved in the same deal, they both have tremendous trade value and if they’re going to be traded its going to be two big deals. But about Sundin: Since his contract is a club and player option to be picked up next year, if both teams opt not to pick it up, they can renogotiate for a lower salary, which Sundin would probably consider if it means signing some offensive help like….lets say Forsberg (for example).

  18. mojo19 says:

    stop saying that, look at the east, Its not a strong conference and most teams are on the same level, anyone can beat (almost) anyone on any given night. The Leafs are not a bad team. They fit in the middle somewhere and will probably finish around 6th or 7th place if they play well, 10th or 11th if they don’t (and it starts and ends with Raycroft).

  19. toronto77 says:

    Aubin and Westrum as well.

  20. Aetherial says:

    Not the first game Raycroft has been crap. He was crap against Colorado also. In fact, I don’t think he has been all that great in any game. He certainly has not stolen any games.

  21. Aetherial says:

    From what I have seen from Raycroft, 10th or 11th is more reasonable. He may be a decent goalie, he is not “stellar”. Think Philadelphia Flyers level of goaltending… that sort of thing.

    Teams definitely better than the Leafs






    Teams on about the Leafs Level


    Tampa Bay


    New Jersey

    New York Rangers

    Teams probably not quite as good as the Leafs, but close…



    New York Islanders


    On any given night, the Leafs can easily be beaten by ANY of the eastern teams. Pittsburgh and New York Rangers are arguably better teams… making them *possibly* 8th best in the conference. Also, they have 22 (almost a THIRD) of their games left against teams that are definitely better (Ottawa Montreal Buffalo).

    Thus, I see a real struggle, and not much likelihood of making the playoffs. What is worse is, how does this get better when they have no cap room year to year?

  22. 92-93 says:

    I would add to your ‘better-than-leafs’ list and put NYR, Pittsburgh (yes, eventually they will be), and NJ. I would also bring Philly and Boston up to the Leafs’ level, leaving just the Caps and the Isles below the Leafs. And i predicted that they would overachieve a little and finish between 8th and 12th. well, to make the playoffs according to my revision of your list, they would have to overachieve A LOT.

  23. mojo19 says:

    Well let me start by saying that we look at Montreal in very different ways. And I don’t think that much of Florida either. Let’s say Buffalo, Ottawa, Atlanta, Carolina, NYR, and Jersey are all most likely locks (unless something surprising happens and it usually does). That leaves two playoff spots and Toronto fighting Tampa, Montreal and maybe Pittsburgh for the last two spots.

    And about the cap room, and how we’ll have to wait 5 years etc…. It sucks but what can you do? Hopefully they’ll be able to move McCabe (among others) sometime within the next couple years somehow.

  24. Aetherial says:

    yeah I mentioned that the Ranger and Pittsburgh were likely better… which was how I concluded 8th would be about the best they could do. As fro Philly and Boston… I just don’t see it. Those teams are as dysfunctional as the Leafs with similar problems.

  25. Enigma says:

    Jfj Shold’ve been fired in the off season or even after the McCabe deal. I personally like McCabe but to give the guy a no-movement clause was ridiculous.

  26. Enigma says:

    I agree with you. Raycroft has looked shaky in some games and in others has looked average. If their was one thing the leafs could almost always count on in the past with Cujo and Belfour (before last year) is that they would steal a game from time to time. That hasn’t happened yet; it didn’t happen as often as last year and the leafs haven’t/wont make the playoffs because of it. They just don’t have the skill that it takes to play and win on a regular basis with average/shaky goaltending.

  27. Hoondog2 says:

    I think its a little too early to ask the question “What can they do..”. Its a little hard to say how the defense is gonna look until the injured bodies get back. Let us not forget that first on the Leafs depth chart last year were Colaiacovo, Woz., and Kronwall. I like the way White and Bell have played but the Leafs need a couple bigger guys back there. You get Kubina and the others back and the D doesnt look bad.

    —Gill—Kron, Woz——-

    Not sure if i’m right but I think Bell and White can be sent back down without clearing waivers, but if so, that is probably what will happen.

    Things look a little bleak right now but when these guys get back it doesnt just give you better players, it also takes ice-time from certain players.

    Belak-he should never play defense again, although not a bad checker on forward.
    Gill-I think he is useful in a reduced role, not so much ice-time
    Kaberle, McCabe-they’re getting way too much ice-time but they will find their games.

    I personally think White and Bell are almost but not quite ready for the big time, could use the valuble ice-time that they would get in the minors!

  28. LeafsLegacy says:

    huh? lol.. Westrum would probably not even make it into the nhl

  29. LeafsLegacy says:

    There is nothing wrong with the leafs… it seems everytime the leafs lose two in a row, everyone starts to panic… give me a break here. KUBINA is our answer. The first four games is what the leafs really look like. Kubina was the one who was throughing break-a-way passes, and starting things in the offencive zone! He was an anchor for Tampa, and he is goin to do just as well with the leafs

  30. Matts-son-Dean says:

    Signing Bondra, although appearing to be good, would be a step backward. Leafs are trying to play a strong forechecking, upbeat tempo game with their younger players. Bondra would be getting into the trap of signing players past their prime and we all remember nightmares of Housley, Gilmour (although I love the guy, but he played less than 1 period when he came back), King, etc..

    As for improving their offense, I’m going to stick my neck out and suggest something unheard of… trade McCabe. Firstly, I think that his no-trade clause can be waived if he chooses to. Secondly, Ian White has been a great surprise and has played well given his age. As soon as injuries heal (namely: Carlo, Kronwall and Kubina), although many would disagree, our 6 defensemen should suffice. Thirdly, Kubina was and still is a top line defenseman. He is much smarter on defense than Bryan, and helped lead the bolts to the cup, so he has the experience of performing under pressure.

    So, given all of this, the million dollar question is who to trade McCabe for? If we learned one thing from this past summer, its that McCabe and his wife want to play in Long Island. Conveniently for the Leafs, the NYI are in need of a shakeup and an offensive defenseman like McCabe might help them out. With both Hunter and Satan on RW, the Isles could potentially part with Satan. So, the trade proposal is: McCabe for Satan. Leafs get a solid winger for Sundin and would inject much needed talent for a first line. Salary cap is an issue as the Isles would be over and this is by far not a rumor, but just a suggestion. What do you think?

  31. LeafsLegacy says:

    not a bad idea..its McCabe’s contract that would be hard to get rid-of.

  32. shakermaker says:


    They can keep doing what they are doing, thats what they can do! 

    3rd in the league isnt too shabby!

  33. smooth4488 says:

    I love that idea but I have to agree with Legacy..his copntract will be hard to get rid of, plus what would be good value for McCabe??? Let's realistically look at this. You won't get a Gagne, Hejduk, Tanguay, for this guy unless you package something else up.

    I say leave things status quo for now, and determine your needs come trade deadline. Whoever it is, let's hope he's on the younger side. We have enough vets on the team and can also build down the road.

    Where's Milbury when you need him??lol

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