What If……

What If, what if JFJ were actually witty? What if we spent our money wisely? What if we pulled the trigger on one of the biggest trades? What if we came out with a lineup that was favored to win the Stanley Cup? I wonder what that feels like….I am just going to name a bunch of what ifs, and hopefully people will ponder just as I do. I hope you are all wondering when we are going to win a Stanley Cup, and when we are going to be the most dominant team in the East. Well here goes What If:

1.) What If we traded McCabe during last season when his stock was its highest? We would have been able to get Jack Johnson or possibly Andrew Ladd! Why didn’t JFJ pull the trigger on this trade? The Kings this season got Johnson for a bag of pucks and Ladd is now a fulltime player on the Canes. Do you realize what the Blues got for Weight-DOUG FREAKIN WEIGHT-a 1st rounder for a washed up vet. That goes to show you how much we could have gotten for McCabe. We could even go as far as saying Ladd and Johnson for McCabe, Earl, and a 2nd. Imagine Johnson being on our team next year, and Ladd on Sundin’s wing! Yeah well we blew it….

2.) What if we traded Tuuka Rask for Martin Biron? Martin Biron is a much better goalie then Raycroft, and I hope all of you see the real Raycroft now. The guy gave up like 15 goals in 2 games, and all he can say is tomorrow will be a better day, show some heart guy! I know for a fact that Rask was too much to give up for Raycroft, but it would have been a very fair trade for both the Leafs and the Sabres if we got Biron. Biron is a very poised goaltender, and he is a winner, when and if a team gets him, watch them go along way. With my luck its going to be like the Wings, that always happens!

Ok so let’s recap so far we have Ladd, Johnson, and Biron, and we lost Mccabe, a 2nd rounder, Rask, and we wouldn’t have Raycroft.

3.) What if we traded Kaberle and Steen for CHRIS PRONGER? I can’t believe JFJ didn’t do this trade, instead Anaheim looks like geniuses. Look at how Kaberle is playing now, he isn’t earning his pay raise, and good lord, Steen is horrible. It’s Chris Pronger, the best Defenseman in the league, along with Lidstrom of course, but what the hell was everybody that blind to realize how much that trade would have benefited us. Also, take a look at Pronger’s salary, what a bargain. Look at Anaheim, everybody is declaring them Cup champions, just because they have Pronger, look at their offense, its a joke, just like the Leafs. If I could turn back time, I wish that JFJ completed this trade.

Additions: Pronger, Biron, Johnson, and Ladd.

Deletions: McCabe, Kaberle, Steen, Rask, 2nd Rounder

4.) What if we didn’t sign Gill, and Kubina? What if we spent our money on other UFA’s. What if we signed Chara, you may be saying oh jeez this guy is crazy, well these are the moves you need to make to become the beast of the East. These are the moves that need to be made to be considered “favorites.” It is realistic, Delete McCabe, Kaberle, Kubina, and Gill’s contracts, and you have a hefty sum, more then enough to take on Pronger, and Chara’s contracts.

5.) What if we signed Lindros? What if Lindros signed for what he was worth? I for one am mad at him for leaving his “dream,” but look at him now. It hurts seeing him do so good now, and look where he is, on the RW! Where we always wanted to see him play, What if he was on Sundin’s RW.

So let’s put it all together:

Final additions: Pronger, Chara, Biron, Lindros, Johnson, Ladd

Final deletions: McCabe, Kaberle, Steen, Rask, Earl, 2nd rounder

Moves never made: Kubina, Gill, Raycroft, Belak, Tellqvist.

Tucker/Sundin/Lindros——-Remember we have Tsustly developing.(sp?)

Ladd/Stajan/O’neill

Kilger/Peca/Battaglia

Antro/Pohl/Poni

Extras: Suglobov, Ondrus.

Pronger/Chara

Coliacovo/White——Remember we have Johnson waiting in the wings.

Wozienewski/Bell

Extras: Harrison, Kronwall, Brown

Biron

Aubin

Extras: Pogge, Racine

Now don’t you wish we made all these realistic move? Don’t you wish JFJ spent our money more wisely? Don’t you wish we did the Pronger trade, or what about the Raycroft trade, wouldn’t you rather have Biron?

From the looks of this team, I would consider them favorites for the Cup, and by the way we would pound the Sens. I guarantee we would have the lowest goals against. Oh well, its just a What If now……

Your Thoughts?

“The-President”

One last word: (1967) think about it….


28 Responses to What If……

  1. PaulK123 says:

    “Martin Biron is a much better goalie then Raycroft, and I hope all of you see the real Raycroft now. The guy gave up like 15 goals in 2 games, and all he can say is tomorrow will be a better day, show some heart guy! “are you stupid? The reason he gave up so many goals was because of the defense,
    if u listened to the radio for those games it was “Raycroft makes a huge save, rebound, GOAL!”Raycroft has been great so far.

    BTW THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A SALARY CAP-Pronger makes the max,
    Chara makes 6 million, Biron makes 3 million. So we would have 13.5 million
    tied up in 2 defenseman! THAT IS TO MUCH!

    U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOCKEY SO DONT POST ANYMORE YOU DOUCHEBAG!

  2. Alozo07 says:

    I liked your first two moves with trading rask for biron, and trading macae but maybe not for those guys in particular but players like them, speedy goal scoring guys. However everything else is very farfetched. Now we have to face it, the Leafs (which i love and cheer for every game) are screwed until we get rid of Macabe, he has a no movement clause and gaurenteed money for 5 years. He can do nothing all year (which he is showing he will do) and we can’t do jack all about it for 5 years, and its a reasonable chunk out of our salary cap 5 million every year. Thats all I have to say for now later

    P.S. KABERLE IS THE BOMB he is y macabe looked so good!!!!!!!!!

  3. Matts-son-Dean says:

    Firstly, Pronger is only making 6.25m a year, which is a total bargain for an elite defenseman. Secondly, Chara + Pronger is a definite no-no. Although both are among the top defenseman, but tying up so much cap room for 2 defenseman, neither of which are nearly as mobile as a Niedemeyer or Lidstrom, is not a bright idea. Call me a dreamer, but I still have faith in Raycroft. With exception to the Ottawa games, Raycroft has been good enough for the Leafs to win. Keep in mind the guy is getting paid less than 1/2 of the elite goalies in the league. Also keep in mind that he is still young and has time to develop. While we know that Raycroft has had 1 good year in the NHL, need I remind you that Rask has zero good years under his belt. Its hard to speculate on these unproven youngsters since we have all seen the stories about Daige and both Brett and Eric Lindros. As for the extra room freed by McCabe, Kubina, Gill and friends, I would have originally said Elias, but if the Devils offered what they did, Shanny would have been a nice pickup for the Leafs. However, I do add the disclaimer that playing in Toronto is sometimes hard given the media attention which may attract or deter certain players, so Fergy can’t be blamed for all of these moves. (i.e. Although Edmonton would trade Pronger for Kaberle+Steen, I don’t think Pronger and his wife would approve)

  4. The-President says:

    TAKE IT EASY GUY, I KNOW MORE ABOUT HOCKEY THAN YOU ANY DAY. RAYCROFT SUCKS, ASK ANYBODY! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SHOOT HIGH ON HIM, YOU’LL SEE BY THE END OF THE SEASON. ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT BIRON ISN’T BETTER, ALSO PRONGER ISN’T AT THE MAX SHITHEAD… HE’S ACTUALLY A BARGAIN RIGHT NOW FOR HIS SKILL. WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE KUBINA, GILL, MCCABE, KABERLE, OR PRONGER, CHARA, COLIACOVO, WHITE? I THINK I’D PICK THE 2ND DEFENSE OPTION, YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

  5. The-President says:

    My bad I left Wellwood out of the lineup, sorry about that…

  6. The-President says:

    It really would be worth it though Matts, Pronger is making less then McCabe, and Chara is really good. Look at Anaheim, they are favored just because they have 2 top Dmen, imagine the Leafs with Chara and Pronger, you could even put one on the top D line, and the put one on the 2nd, like,

    Pronger/Coliacovo
    Chara/White
    Woz/Bell

  7. The-President says:

    RECALCULATE YOUR SALARY CAP, SINCE YOU “KNOW” ABOUT HOCKEY..

  8. The-President says:

    Not that far fetched, would you have ever thought you’d see Pronger and Neidermayer on the same team? Well why wouldn’t it be possible for the Leafs with Chara and Pronger?

  9. GoalJudge says:

    First of all I am not responding to anything written in the comments section although I’m very positive that there are more than few objectionable ideas.

    1) Raycroft has stood on his head for the leafs. Period. I am not a leafs only guy and I do take the time to read the papers from other cities, and what I’ve read so far is that Raycroft has been surprising, and the only thing that has hurt his play is being hung out to dry by his defence, and a bunch of guys taking stupid penalties. The leaf’s skaters have been the ones playing bad, not Raycroft. And criticizing a guy who was played back to back against the sleeping giant that is the Senators. News flash people, what happened to Raycroft, happened to Brodeur as well. While I’m not saying Raycroft is a Brodeur, I’m not gonna lynch him just yet. The thrashings the leafs have received this year would have happened no matter who was in net. You all have to remember that Raycroft is not expected BY THE TEAM to suddenly make them a contender. That is FAN and MEDIA desires, speculations and the need to fill a column in the morning. Check out the Toronto papers for the last 2 months, and you’ll have read the same stories re-worded, at least a dozen times. Wait and see what Toronto does against some of the teams that aren’t suppose to be in the TOP 5 of the two conferences. News flash, they also beat Kipper, so that is something.

    2) The last year deals that were walked away from. Hindsight is always 20/20. Would I have made the Pronger deal, yeah probably, but you are not IN the hotseat, and you are not the one who is gonna look like a fool or get strung up and burned by the Leaf’s UN-faithful for trading a fan-favourite who you JUST signed to a salary increase. If Pronger started as slow as he did before the game in Edmonton playing for the leafs, and Kaberle had even matched similar numbers to that point, you’d be saying why did we waste the extra two million? As for Pronger and Chara together, your much worse off because your back end would be total prospects who have proved that they are just that, prospects, with the bad penalties and defensive mishaps. And since we are on the subject look how Boston is doing with Chara. Those that say the SENS miss him are fools. They know what they were doing, and are just recovering from a slow start. I suppose people of that mindset would probably start making trade talks for Ztterberg and Datsyuk in they were in Detroit, or the likes of (insert name of struggling superstar here) too.

    3) If you are a leafs fan and actually pay attention to the games being played and not listening to media driven hype you’d have noticed that Gill has been the most solid D-man so far. But that is also what the experts are saying, but I guess you know more.

    4) The McCabe deal. Argued to absolute death, was considered by most to be a mistake. At least in terms of money, or trade claus. I don’t like it either, but as for trading him last year when he his highest value would have been December-ish. He slowed down around his injury time, which was convenient, and then got worse from there. The rest of the league saw it, but not the Leaf’s UN-faithful. Nobody wanted McCabe then because his play is all potential. If you also noticed like most other players in the league that he is only decent on the PP, on even strength he gets shut down. That makes some sense for Kaberle, he is the PPQB, what is McCabe’s excuse? I would have been happier picking up Kubina, and someone else like a Witt or trade for a stay at home, but that’s past. But the one thing that would NOT happen is getting a Pronger and a CHARA together. Not only would it tie up way too much money in two players, but getting one would essentially desolve the need for the other, except to poolies or EA Sports players.

    5) As for what the leafs should or shouldn’t do or have done I say let them play, let them play, let them play. We are ten games into the season, roughly, and people want to blow it up already. Look at it this way, at least we are not the Flyers (whom are rumoured to want Biron, 2nd to Toskala or Nabokov, so root for them if you like). The crisis mode should not hit until December especially when your playing .500 hockey. Kubina is on the quick track to mend, maybe as soon as next week, and will maybe add some punch back to a seemingly flacid team so far. But for the love of Christ (or Moammed if you like) let them get their feet in the door before you hand them back their jackets. The 10th game is a minor bench mark on the season. It tells last place teams to kick it up a notch and is the decision making time for Rookies. That’s it. It is not a time for .500 level teams to decide whether or not to pack it in and go for a draft pick.

  10. mojo19 says:

    Quick thing about you referring to Doug Weight as “a washed up veteran.” Everyone rags on Weight and Recchi as being shadows of what the used to be etc. But there’s a reason they won the cup with Carolina, and as much as its a young mans game now, theres a lot to be said about what veterans like those guys and Brind’Amour bring to a team, and the vets on the Hurricanes were a big reason they were such a succesful playoff team. So before everyone gets so crazy about “the young guys! Oh my god, the young players are amazing, everyone else is just old” just stop and think and realize that veterans need to be a part of a cup winning team too, you need that mix.

  11. 92-93 says:

    i am so happy that a lot of these trade didnt happen. Kaberle and Steen for Pronger??? NO WAY.

  12. PaulK123 says:

    STFU, RAYCROFT PLAYED GOOD AT THE OTTAWA GAMES, THE DAMN DEFENSE SCREWED HIM, IN TH FIRST ONE HE HAD 33 SAVES AND IN THE SECOND ONE HE HAD 29 SAVES, THE DUMB DEFENSE COULDN’T CLEAR THE DAMN PUCK AFTER HE MADE DAMN SAVES!

    ANYWAY, THE DAMN OILERS WERE ASKING FOR KABERLE, STEEN, AND A FIRST ROUND PICK WHICH WAS NOT WORTH IT FOR PRONGER, CHARA IS
    STRUGGLING WITHOUT A SUPPORTING CAST BEHIND HIM NUM-NUTS!

  13. PaulK123 says:

    and a 1st round pick

  14. mojo19 says:

    No kidding, considering, 2 years from now Kaberle will be better than Pronger.

  15. 92-93 says:

    well, i dunno about better, but he is just different. he is a different kind of defenceman and in the new NHL, he’s so valuable. i mean, he is such a great skater and has such great vision. Pronger brings a whole other set of attributes, but i’d rather keep Steen and Kaberle.

  16. 92-93 says:

    yeah – forget about it. i mean really! Some leaf fans just dont get what they have until they are gone. i would NEVER want my Leafs’ squad to face Kaberle on the PP or threading the needle 5-on-5.

  17. mojo19 says:

    Pronger is on the decline I think. Even though he'll be one of those defensman who's great forever, I think he's got to slow down and soon.

  18. The-President says:

    Defenseman last for a long time, IE: Blake, Maccinnis(sp?), Foote, Stevens, Bourque, and they were, and still are awesome.

  19. PaulK123 says:

     Pronger has about 6 more good years in him, kaberle has like 14!

  20. The-President says:

    Its about who is going to take you to the STANLEY CUP, not who is around longer, I guarantee that Tomas Kaberle never gets his name on the Cup with Toronto, but if Toronto had Pronger they would be Stanley Cup Favorites… you figure it out.

  21. mojo19 says:

    They would NOT be favourites with Pronger. Kaberle is practically as good as Pronger now, its not a big upgrade, and if Steen is a star 2-way player within the next couple of years….. you figure it out.

  22. The-President says:

    Steen in overrated, just as every other Leaf prospect is… Kaberle will never be close to Pronger, Pronger is a Franchise Defenseman, can you say that about Kaberle. I rest my case.

  23. leafmeister says:

    If somehow the leafs got mccabe to wave his no trade clause they could trade him and coliacovo to L.A. for Norstrom and Frolov and if they refused that they  could throw in antropov that would give them young talent a stay at home defencemen and far more cap room

  24. leafmeister says:

    You cant blame John Fergeson for Mccabe because he had no reason to trade mccabe at the Trade deadline because he was playing well he may have lost his offence but he was pretty good in his own end all the time.
    Also if they traded Mccabe they could have traded him to a struggling team like Tampa bay for Martin St. Louis( I think that they would have done it at the time with thier Defencive problems). Also I dont regret the Pronger trade because Kaberle has suddenly found his game and Steen will find his game and although he doesnt have offence he is ausome with peca.

  25. ty656789 says:

    what if…. this site would stop letting any idiot with an opinion post articles. How would JFJ look to the rest of the players who he is ever going to try and sign in the future if he traded Kaberle just before the no trade clause on his contract kicked in. JFJ would have lost all of his credibility to all of the players and more importantly THE AGENTS who represent them. Kaberle is one of the most underrated players in hockey right now. Why do you think that every trade that fell through was because Kaberle was not included in the deal. The only thing that irks me about the McCabe deal is that he got more than Kaberle when Kaberle is the reason why McCabe put up such big #'s. Imagine Kaberle playing with Leetch that one year at the end. Every pass from the d would've been tape to tape and the forwards would've been unloading from all over the ice. You and leafy should start your own site called http://www.stereotypicalleaffanswhogivetherestofusabadname.com  

  26. The-President says:

    Do not put me in the same category as Leafy, you need to take it easy, my article is not bad.

  27. PaulK123 says:

     Kaberle is still young and has many years ahead of him, prongers is on the decline…

  28. PaulK123 says:

     your right, its not bad, its horrible!

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