What would it take to get Gary Roberts back????

I know I said no more Leaf articles till October, but watching the Canes win using one thing the Leafs lack hugely, that they used to excell at hugely, really angers me.The Leafs have no leadership, they’ve gone from a team of former captains (Leetch, Francis, Sundin, Fitzgerald, McCabe, Nieuwendyk, Nolan, Mogilny, among others) and then Roberts who remarkably has never worn the C.

You know why the Leafs have never won the cup, going from 13 guys who could be a captain, to 4 who’ve been captains (Lindros, Allison, Sundin, McCabe), and to one who really deserves to be, Sundin.

And as people talk about what the Leafs need this summer, a good leader or two is really what I look at.

Jay McKee is a great name, he probably won’t cost much, he’s a great shot blocking defenseman, and he’s a good leader.

Brandon Shanahan is ideal. Imagine him, Sundin, and Tucker? That line alone would probably score 100 goals. 30 Tucker, 30 Sundin, 40 Shanahan?? Maybe a bit more from Tucker, and Sundin, maybe a bit less on Shanahan. He’s a great leader, captained Canada.

Mike Peca. This is how I can see Stajan maybe turning out a bit like. Stajan likes to take runs at big guys, ever see him against Ottawa? Trying to take runs at Chara? Any ways, I think Stajan could learn from him, Francis is another player Stajan could be similar to, which is why I would’ve loved to see Francis have this one season left.

Maybe even Steve Thomas? He’s never won the cup, and I love the guy to death. I know he’s incredibley old, but so are alot of cup Champions, vets win cups.

The Leafs could also throw a bag of money at Oilers goalie Dwayne Roloson. Dwayne Roloson has really played great, and he’s a good guy. But I think he’ll stay in Edmonton, especially if he wins the cup.

A veteran presence is the single most important thing in hockey.

-L


44 Responses to What would it take to get Gary Roberts back????

  1. DJTOKid says:

    Some leadership would be nice, I like the sounds of shanahan. If Toronto could bring him it would be huge for Sundin. Shanahan proved he can still play in the new NHL, and i think we all know he could play in any nhl. I think thats why alot of people have put jamie Lagenbrunner in there predictions of what will unfold for the leafs. Everyone seems to like the veteran leadership that he could add to the leafs. And come playoff time he will really payoff, him and Sundin would tear it up. I wouldn’t mind seeing Peter Bondra come to Toronto, he only made 505,000 last year, so I couldn’t imagine him coming with a huge price tag. He still has alot of game, maybe a little injury prone in his later years, but never the less would probably put up good numbers playin beside Mats.

    What do they do about the goaltending situation? There are actually alot of differnt names available this off season. There is the free agency route, Biron(who I really like and would be the number guy i would go after if i was jfj), then theres lagace, roloson and gerber older guys who are somewhat proven and could be good fits until rask or pogge are ready. They could make a stab at Huet, but unlikely. Then theres trade scenerios, could they get there hands on Raycroft, Giguere, Nabokov, Or Turco? I don’t think they should persue anybody until they have a number one goalie.

  2. 92-93 says:

    i was one of the biggest fans of Roberts when he was here …

    IN THE PRE-CAP NHL.

    but the leafs do NOT NEED GARY ROBERTS anymore!!!

    its over. done with.

    no more acquiring old, over-the-hill guys … they just cannot do it anymore.

  3. 92-93 says:

    p.s.

    McKee WILL cost a bunch – 3-4 million dollars.

    Shanahan? i dunno, sounds like another older guy who contribute but i just don’t think the leafs will be able to afford him either.

    Peca? – no. i dont care what he is doing for the Oilers right now, he is literally on his last legs in terms of his health. why oh why go after a guy who is not going to play the entire season for you (lindros is understandable because he will come cheap and for one year only). if we have stajan, no need for Peca.

    STEVE THOMAS?!?!

    i mean, come on. i was cheering for this guy to make the team last year too … but that was before i saw what the new NHL was all about. look at the final-4 for pete’s sake.

    Roloson will likely be retained.

  4. Aetherial says:

    Good Lord…

    Roberts, Roloson, Thomas…

    You can have them all thanks, unless the Leafs are fleshing out a roster and these guys will all play for the minimum for one year. Even at that, Thomas is done.

    No more older players way past their prime please.

  5. Toonces99 says:

    Here, Here….well put.

  6. DJTOKid says:

    I agree, time to move on with him, although i would rather have him and Nieuwendyk back then Lindros and Allison. The leafs can still sign older guys, I know how afraid everyone is about that from the past, but it is the new nhl and signings of old guys will probly be short term and be in a position that the leafs need help. Shanahan can still play at a high level and imagine how efficient the powerplay would be with him, Sundin, Mccabe, and Kaberle.

  7. PaulK123 says:

    The Leafs need to get younger and faster, not older and slower, getting all of these guys would be like putting a bandade on a broken leg, its useless!

  8. 92-93 says:

    well yeah. i dont see much of difference in terms of the stats of those 4 guys for their respective teams. there is a difference in their age (lindros and allison are younger and are as much or more injury prone than Nieuwy and Roberts) and there’s a difference in the impact they have in the locker room.

    i dont think signing old guys is a bad thing – BUT, when you decide to sign guys that already played for the leafs … there is inevitably some baggage there and a message is always sent with signings. what would the message be for the leafs if they signed those two guys again, which they won’t.

    I dont mind Shanahan – hence, why i am not against ALL veteran signings. but there’s only so much roster space and cap space available.

    you know what? i would be definitely much more comfortable with these vets playing for the Leafs IF the leafs didnt have O’neill, Domi, Belak, Richardson etc already clogging up their roster. if those mistakes were gone by now (and their not – all except Richardson are signed into next year), i wouldnt mind seeing the names Leafy mentioned (with the exception of Stumpy of course).

  9. 92-93 says:

    also, i am not even against signing all former leafs. veterans i dont mind having in back in a leafs uniform would be Danny Markov (29) and Nathan Dempsey (31).

    both are probably cheaper and are still quite effective from the back end. maybe sign them to help anchor the blueline with the young kids instead of just signing McKee?

    that way, you have Dempsey, Markov, Pilar along with 7 other younger D-guys (Harrison, Woz, Kronvall, White, Bell, Vorobiev, and Coliacovo) battling for the final 4 spots on D.

  10. Aetherial says:

    It is OK to sign old guys if you are in a solid program of rebuilding and you need bodies to round out a rebuilding team… and it is NOT the best option to bring up a kid who is not ready.

    BUT… you definitely sign to short term and you don’t go after *big* names with the misguided perception that they will make you a contender again.

    They are for filling holes in your roster. This is the same as it has always been before and after the cap.. and it is how Detroit did it in the 80’s

  11. DJTOKid says:

    What would it take for JFJ to aquire this team?

    Trade:

    To Vancouver: Sergei Gonchar, Kyle Wellwood, and Michael Tellqvist

    To Toronto: Brendan Morrison and Dan Cloutier

    To Pittsburgh: Tie Domi, Wade Belak, Nik Antropov and a pick and/or a prospect from both Van and T.O.

    This is a trade that everyone wins in. The canucks free up some cap room while at the same time, not replacing Jovanoski, but not having to worry as much if he goes. They get a young talented center in wellwood to center there third line, I would think the canucks would put Keslar between Naslund and Bertuzzi. They seemed to have some success last year. Tellqvist could be back up for Auld.

    Toronto would have a number one goalie, even though I have argued in the past that Cloutier isn’t a starter in the nhl, I think he could help the leafs until the two kids are ready. Brendan Morrison would give the leafs even better center depth and while staying young at the same time. They would add about 2.20mil to the cap, which isn’t bad for having fixed up your goaltending problem and improving your center line depth ten fold. Not to mention that they would rid of some excess baggage that would weigh them down while trying to move forward.

    Pittsburgh would get some much needed toughness to protect Syd the kid. think about having to deal with Roy, Belak, and domi if you mess around with Sydney. Maybe if Antropov plays with fellow russian Malkin and Syd the kid he’ll actually do something with his career. they would get some good picks or prospects that will help them out for building around Crosby. It would also save them around 1.00mil on the cap.

    After that trade the JFJ signs…

    Jamie Langenbrunner 3yr- 8.25mil = 2.75mil yr

    Peter Bondra 1yr- 1.15mil

    Ville Nieminem 2yr- 2.00mil = 1.00mil yr

    Brian Pothier 3yr- 3.45mil = 1.15mil yr

    Willie Mitchell 1yr- 1.00mil

    In total the leafs would have added an even 9.25 million to the cap, which should be some where around the 30million mark after JFJ signs all the restricted free agent that he needs to sign. So he would be under the cap, leaving him the room to add something at or near the trade deadline.

    line up would look some thing like this…

    Lindros Sundin Bondra

    Oniel Morrison Langenbrunner

    Tucker Stajan Nieminem

    Kilger Steen Ponikorovsky

    McCabe Kaberle

    Pothier Colaiacovo

    Mitchell White

    Cloutier

    Aubin

    Assuming there are not many injurie issues, but you know ther ewill be with the leafs, I think this team would be VERY competitive. When the playoffs came around if Dan Cloutier could have one decnet year in the playoffs, tyhis team could make alot of noise. The future would be very bright if this was the direction taken by JFJ.

  12. koolcory77 says:

    thomas is 43 omg get real

    roloson is nothing more than aubin .. he is simply on a better team

  13. Marky2Fresh says:

    Good luck getting Mitchell for 1 million

  14. DJTOKid says:

    Thats all he made last year, and he didn’t do much to deserve a raise in pay, so I figure he would sign for the same. If the cap goes up to 42 or 43 million it will leave three to five million in fluctuation room for them to spend. So They could give him alittle more or go after some one else.

  15. 92-93 says:

    i am not going to address the initial trade you proposed.

    but i will address the five, yes five, UFA guys you think the leafs will be able to get and afford.

    first of all, i dont see the leafs acquiring that many UFAs unless they are lesser names.

    second of all, some of the contracts you proposed are way, way too low.

    Lagenbrunner will probably sign for slightly more than what you suggested, but Mitchell is NOT going to sign for one million a year!!! this guy will make anywhere from 2.5-4 million a year. Dallas wants him back big time and they dont get him, many other teams will pay big bucks for him.

  16. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    Steve Thomas and Gary Roberts were examples. I wouldn’t mind Joe Nieuwendyk but he’s still producing, Roberts scored 14 goals this year for 2 and a quarter million dollars.

    Peca’s legs were never his good point, he’s a valuable guy, hard hitting penalty killer, the Leafs haven’t been hitting well lately

    And what do you mean look at the final 4? McKee, Peca, Selanne, Brind’Amour, Recchi, Weight, Wesley, Whitney, Tverdovsky, Roloson, all playing great.

  17. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    No, Aubin is nothing more then Tellqvist… he simply played on a hot team at the end of the season…

    Mark Messier retired at 45 and still put up a good 40-50 points in the old NHL.

  18. DJTOKid says:

    Tell me you didn’t just compare Steve Thomas to Mask Messier

  19. DJTOKid says:

    Ok maybe i was stretching a bit with a couple of the salarys. But I think your wrong about the number of free agents the leafs will sign. This should be a big and busy signing season for JFJ. Minimum they sign 3 free agents but as many as 5. Think of the holes that need to be filled, I don’t think they are going to fully rebuild the team, I think they are going to reload the team. Surround there future youth with good leadership.

    what was wrong with the trade?

  20. 92-93 says:

    that’s a convienient way of stating your final sentence – who are the players you are leaving out there?

    again, why would you think i am anti-veteran.

    i am anti-the-veterans-you-suggested.

    there is a HUGE difference

  21. 92-93 says:

    no the trade was interesting and i am not going to criticize it actually.

    but the ‘reloading’ of the team comment i think is a little off. sure there are holes to fill but i dont think the answer is nor do i think JFJ actually will sign 5 UFAs. 3 or 4 max.

    my suggests are either McKee/Carter/Legace or guys like Markov/Dempsey/Lagenbrunner/Biron etc.

    but even 4 seems too much. if you look at their cap space you’ll see what i mean … unless of course you think ALL of the above names are worth 1 or 2 million each. then of course your UFAs could be fit in under the cap. but i can assure you that they’ll cost more.

    the leafs are going to really rely on youth and a few ‘young-veteran’ signings to help them remain beneath the cap this year. now we can see how dumb the Belfour, Domi, and Belak signings (not to mention the O’neill-two-year signing) actually were.

  22. toronto77 says:

    stop proposing a trade that involves wellwood, he’s a great stick handler and can make great passes. of all the young guys that we traded away and came back to bite us in the ass, wellwood will be one of them.

  23. the_word says:

    Why do you kept suggesting the Leafs sign fowards 37 years old or older?

  24. the_word says:

    Does anyone think for a second JFJ is gonna bring in one of Quinn’s boys who already scorned JFJ by jumping ship? Roberts and Nieuwendyke, have already bought an apartment together in Florida and the only reason for their return to Canada is the chance to be legally married. The Leafs don’t need to revisted a Glen Anderson/Wendal Clark dynamics.

  25. the_word says:

    Just to dissent this trade a little (actually kinda creative, I don’t hate it) but Domi won’t report to any other team so you can’t trade him. Vacouver has three goaltenders (Auld, Cloutier and Noornan, or something like that) so they don’t want Telly (maybe he could backup Nabakov in the AHL next).

  26. Aetherial says:

    agreed wholeheartedly.

    Does the name Steve Sullivan mean anything to these people. Wellwood is NOT someome you trade away in the *new* nhl.

  27. FlyersfanKyle says:

    because hes a *****ing moron i cant belive some one said they should sign steve thomas

  28. FlyersfanKyle says:

    because hes a *****ing moron i cant belive some one said they should sign steve thomas

  29. FlyersfanKyle says:

    they should offer an unreal ammount of money to Kari Letonin of Atlanta yes hes an rfa but if they offer an unreal ammount either atlanta matches or hes a leaf for some compensation

  30. FlyersfanKyle says:

    c’mon man your just trying to dump all your shitty players and make them sound good so you sound intelegent the only way that trade could happen is if you cut toronto out of it and pitt and van traded straight up

  31. FlyersfanKyle says:

    yea this summer will be busy will free agent signings for toronto because JFJ proved last year that he knows how to sign free agents

  32. FlyersfanKyle says:

    they should put domi on waivers and just be rid of him

  33. the_word says:

    they who will beat up flyers fans from the pentalty box for acting like primates?

  34. the_word says:

    then who will beat up flyers fans from the pentalty box for acting like primates?

  35. the_word says:

    “intelegent” I see that happening

  36. LeafsLegacy says:

    Ummmm. wow, the leafs need leadership yes, Jay McKee would work perfectly, but not old veterans like Peca and Shannahan who are ready to retire. Dwayne Roloson… no man, wrong thinkin there. Dwayne is too old buddy, almost as old as Belfour. Toronto needs to rebuild and do wat Buffalo friggen did, hence all young.

    WE NEED YOUTH THAT GEASERS!

  37. LeafyMcLeaf says:

    First of all, Wendel Clark ain’t gay, those were dumb rumors, second of all, Nieuwy and Roberts were friends, Nieuwy signed in Toronto cuz he wanted to be a Leaf, and then when the Leafs disrespected Roberts, and Keenan wanted both, Nieuwy figured he’d leave too, they’re best friends and have the same agent, things happen.

  38. DJTOKid says:

    Kari Lehtonin? Are you kidding me? Unreal amount of money? what would that be? 1million a year? The guy can’t even establish himself on a team that scores a bizzillion goals. Why would the leafs want him? Maybe the flyers could sign him and then trade nittymaki to the leafs for tellqvist… sound good?

  39. DJTOKid says:

    replace him with whom ever you’d like.

  40. DJTOKid says:

    I just figured Domi might go there cause there was talk last summer about him going there to play with his good bud Mario. So I though that would be the only other team that you might be able to trade him to.

  41. the_word says:

    ya, there’s something weird about 37 year old men who are still BFFs

  42. Ace_Bailey says:

    It’s a shame to see your standards slip and slip leafy, a real shame. Kind of like any vet’s game when they’ve fallen from their skill threshold.

    *Ahem, Roberts, Niuwekndyk, Thomas, Francis, Johannsen etc.

    There’s really no debate here. Roberts was good for Florida because their team is already extraordinarily young, but the Leafs dont need a guy who will undoubtedly become more injury prone with age. He played 58 games. In my opinion that is not nearly enough.

    Nieuwendyk did well, yes. But at 40 what factors are there to get him back? Did he not sign a two year deal with the panthers thereby making him ineligible for UFA status? What would we have to give up for him?

    This is an article of superstition. The more C’s don’t automatically translate to more Cups. The Leafs haven’t won for 39 years. This has far less to do with a mere letter than it has to do with an array of other possibilities. We lack a couple character players, yes I agree. But one could argue it’s because we haven’t had solid goaltending, or a strong youth prescence, or bona fide top lines, or the coach or the GM or the entire bloody organization!

    “A veteran presence is the single most important thing in hockey”

    Please Leafy, save us all from your unscholarly articles and blatant generalizations. Don’t write another article until October.

  43. the_word says:

    Its sad that there are Leafs fans that romantize a team that couldn’t get passed the second round.

  44. wht_trsh says:

    That is the dumbest trade I have ever heard of. The leafs trade 5 guys plus draft picks for Morrison and a crappy goalie. It’s nice to dream.

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