What's hapening with the Canadiens ?

So.

I guess now that the cup is won, it is time to get back on track.
Maybe, like myself, a lot of you folks are tired of the Carey Price stuff. So let’s speculate on something else.

Here is a quick “résumé” of the situation.

According to Eklund, the Canadiens can spend around 23.9 millions on 7 RFAs.

Those guys are : Higgins, Komisarek, Ryder, Plekanec, Milroy, Gorges, Leighton, Perezhogin.

First of all, Leighton and Perezhogin are gone.

I assume they could sign Duncan Milroy to a 650 K deal.
Gorges, witch I think they want to keep, is not in a position were he can ask much. Let’s say around 900K to 1.4 M.

Higgins and Komisarek are both expected to get significants augmentations that could place them in the 2.5M range. Altought it could be a little less, I think it’s reasonable to calculate a cap hit of about 5M for the two of them.

Ryder will want a deal in the 3.5M range I think. I am not sure they want to stick with him on the long term, but my guess is that he will still be a Canadiens next year.

So how much money left ?
That leaves around 13-14 M to spend.

Now, this could be reduced to, let’s say, 12 M with the Samsonov buyout
thing.

It’s a lot.

The basic way to think leads us to this :
Well, let’s give Souray 5M and 7M to Brière.
I do not think this is what’s going to happen.

First off, I don’t think Montreal as the king of management that will likely pursue and sign the key free agents that are’nt already in their team.

Free agency always makes you overpay and, though one could argue we did pay a lot for Markov, it is almost certain that he would have got more on the market.

On this free agent field, there will always be someone to beat Montreal’s offer. So I think we should forget about it, at least for a star forward.

Sheldon seems not very likely to resign in Montreal. At least, that’s what all reports are saying. I would’nt be surprised to see him back though for a couple of 100K. (He has been offered 4.5M for 3 years already).

So what do Montreal need ?
Minimum: At least 1 top 6 forward. 1 defensive D and Sheldon OR 1 defensive D and an average D. That’s it.

Of course, this forward would have to be good, because one guy cannot turn on one of the worst (if not THE worst) 5 on 5 offensive team in the league. If we could get our hands on a great scorer that would be fine, but I doupt it will happen.
Also, if Sheldon does’nt resign, we will have to replace him by a guy that can play the PP. I heard Schneider has expressed interest in finishing his career in Montreal. Would be a perfect fit. Other candidates would be : Timonen (who will likely be paid a hell lot of money) and Stuart.
But this option leaves again Montreal with around 7M in free cap space. But, again, I do not think they will overpay a UFA, so what will they do ???

The thing is pretty exciting in my opinion.

Because, actually, I think everything his pointing to a potential huge trade and I absolutely do not know of what kind.

Would any team be interested in Samsonov ? Bruins ?
Would any team be interested in Kovalev ? Detroit ? Pittsburgh ?

If we assume Gainey don’t want to trade away the youth, the only potential bait, on offense, would be Ryder.
On defense, I think Gainey would trade Dandenault without problem.
Maybe he could also be willing to give up Halak.
Finally, we have two first round pick and one – if not THE – better farm team.
So, maybe, passing on this year’s 1rst round selection would’nt be a disaster.

My questions to you hockey fans ?

What could we get in a trade ?
Marleau, Tanguay, Vishnovsky (D in LA), Regehr, Zherdev (don’t want this guy!), Lupul, Dumont, Gagné (don’t think so!), Vinny (once again, can’t help it!), Richards, Bergeron (please baby please…) ?
Sorry but I got stupid at the end of the list. Any thoughts ???


28 Responses to What's hapening with the Canadiens ?

  1. Mainer87 says:

    Free agency is like a poker game. You have GMs who have tells on what they do and then u have Bob Gainey. (He's the man no matter what anyone says. I wouldn't want anyone else doing the job.) You can never tell if he is bluffing or if he is going to all in. He has mastered the poker face and that is what is great about him. He will do what he feels is good for the Habs and I support him 100%.

    IN BOB I TRUST.

  2. Penssuck says:

    Doesn't he fold every hand?

    His poker face might be great, but his "poker" knowledge is lacking.

    Kovalev?  Samsanov?

  3. Sedin23 says:

    That was one of the most reasonable and most realistic post's in awhile.

    Keep it up.

  4. BruMagnus says:

    I'm sorry, but I stopped reading after: "According to Eklund…"

    Eklund is a fraud and a mole/plant.

  5. BruMagnus says:

    Does anyone know when we will know the new Salary Cap? It would seem an important thing for GMs as well.

  6. FrankTheTank3388 says:

    What's up with people recently saying Bergeron's going to Montreal? News flash, Bruins would never trade their core player. And if for some crazy reason they did, they would never ever trade him to a rival like the Canadiens.

  7. capouel says:

    Go get Yashin and make a "when they want to play" trio with him, Kovalev and Samsonov.

  8. habsoverserver says:

    to answer your questions:

    montreal always overpays for UFA's that's what they do best. the problem is they overpay for average to underperforming UFA's like Kovalev, Samsonov and Dandenault.  so yes, as usual, they will overpay for a UFA, but not necessarily a good one. 

    no teams are interested in either samsonov or kovalev nor will they be unless there is an injury at the start of the season.

    if the Habs have the cap room, they could get any disgruntled player in a trade, but they have no chance of prying away any quality player who adds significant value to their current team. 

    I am not certain that Perezhogin is gone. 

    The idea that players on a team that has won two playoff games in two years deserve raises, just for showing up, is without merit.  If they want raises, they need to win games.  The only stat that counts is the W.  Higgins and Ryder were disasters at even strength and would not have been on the first line of any leading NHL team, they don't deserve raises. 

  9. wayne2 says:

    I said it before and i`ll say it again Montreal have good youg players now they have to built around them and solidify defense,also get physical.
    1-Trade Kovalev to Pittsburgh for Ryan Malone.
    2-Buy out Samsonov or trade for picks.
    3-Sign UFA`s Scott Hannan,,Eric Bélanger and Scott Walker.
    They could use a goalie in a deal and the best choice is Halak if they do.

    Line-up:
    Offense:
    1-Higgins/Koivu/Walker
    2-Malone/Plekanek/Ryder
    3-Chipchura-Kostisyn/Bélanger/Latendresse
    4-Bégin/Lapierre/Milroy-Chipchura
    Defense:
    1-Hannan/Komisarek
    2-Markov/Streit
    3-Bouillon/Dandenault
    Goalie:
    1-Huet
    2-Halak or Danis

    They have to be careful not to go too euro

  10. Glucker says:

    you shouldnt have, this was an analysis piece by eklund, looking at who each team had left to sign and the cap hit due to it, no rumors, just hard numbers

  11. Glucker says:

    "Now, this could be reduced to, let's say, 12 M with the Samsonov buyout thing."

    now, wouldnt buying out a player increase how much you can spend short term?

  12. Tropbovin says:

    Hell yes !
    You are right on this one !
    My mistake.

    So the 13-14 millions becomes more 15 millions.
    That leaves around 10 millions even if they sign Souray.

    I repeat it, I am sure something big is happening…

  13. habswinthecup-again says:

     Perezhogin is gone for this year atleast, but Montreal still holds his rights so he could be back in a Hab uniform some time in the future.

  14. habs_punk says:

    We'd have one of the best lines in the league for about 10 games each season.

  15. rojoke says:

    Bruins would never trade their core player?  What, Joe Thornton was a fringe fourth-liner?

  16. rojoke says:

    Danis isn't in the Montreal picture anymore.  It'll be Halak or Price in the number two slot in net.

  17. modk09 says:

    Halak ryder, grabovski(hopefully not but we have a logjam at center) and a 1st rounder for…….

  18. Lord says:

    First, congratulation for the post !

    Second, I read somewhere that the relationship between Marleau and his coach isn't good and that Marleau is blame for the unsuccess of the team in playoff for the last 2 years. I think that Marleau will be on the move this year. I hope that Montreal will ask the Sharks what they need. Probably a center, a left winger and a def if they can't sign Rivet of Hannan.

    Montreal to go for Marleau in exchange of Higgins? I don't want this, but who else will interest the Sharks? Ryder? They already have Cheechoo playing this kind of game. Picks? They want to win now, not in few years. So I don't think that we have something to help SJ.

    I also think that Marleau will be included in a package deal with Toskala or Nabokov for a player like Richards, Nash or take a chance with Horton.

    I think that this year, Montreal will not get an impact player, but someone like Scott Walker and continue to develop the young players like Higgins, Plekanec, Latendresse, Kostitsyn and graduate Chipchura, Grabovski and maybe Price. We will not win the cup next year, but who knows, if they play together, maybe make a solid run in two or three years.

    But I just read that Yashin wants to play in Montreal. Maybe he is the big centerman that we need? haha, I'm not sure of that. But I can be wrong !

  19. Tropbovin says:

    Have'nt we learned so less yet ?

    Yashin could be a dominant player but they did'nt buy him out for no reason.
    We have enough of those talented underachievers.
    I think we should think first about team chemestry and that's a reason why I would like Souray to come back.
    Kovalev is a team chemestry destroyer. So is Yashin. We don't kneed this.
    I hope Gainey learned from his previous mistakes.

  20. Tropbovin says:

    For….. Brad Richards ???

  21. modk09 says:

    i certainly hope not, Gainey is too smart…

  22. modk09 says:

    Agreed, Higgins should be just about untouchable. We dont need to make major changes yet, just give our guys a chance to develop. the one change id like to see is trade Dandenault for whatever will be offered and then replace him and Souray with Schneider and Preissing or a more physical guy if the price is right. by dumping Dandenault and not signing Souray youre saving about $8M and spending only 6 or so on the guys i mentioned.

  23. sakurulz says:

    higgins a disaster???its the stupidest thing ive heard my entire life!

  24. Habroller says:

    Well forget Vinny for that deal. He won't come to Mtl unless we throw Higgins, Komisarek or Price in our package (along with Halak, prospect & picks). I personnally don't want to see any of those 3 leave, even for Lecav.

  25. Neely4Life says:

    a huge thing workin agains the habs when signing free agents is the actual quebec govt.  When Rivet was traded to San Jose, Pierre Mcguire said that Rivet told him that his pay check was 25% more playin in California.  Now, i'm not a brain surgeon, but if u have a 4 mil per year contract, and u play in monreal, your gonna lose 750 000-1 000 000. Thats a large chunk of money no matter how much u make. 

  26. BruMagnus says:

    having now read it, it is only about Montreal not, sadly, each team.

  27. habsoverserver says:

    11 even strength goals from a first line wing who is -11, for a team that choked their way from fourth place to the golf course.

    we're talking about 2 even strength goals in march, one in february and none in the back half of january.  that disastrous performance took montreal from home ice advantage in the playoffs all the way to the golf course.  how many first line wings played worse than Higgins over that stretch?

  28. mtl_prince says:

    living in montreal, i hear the politics all the time, language police, heritage police, its a joke, most people know that, its the hardcore seperatist that are the culprits. heck we even have stop signs that say 'arret' instead of stop, you go to europe and the signs still say stop!!!!!!!! even people that travell here are like english is one of the international languages, and everything is in french. they already got most of the english people out in the late 70's and 80's, oh well, at least most of our prime ministers are from la belle province.

    mmmmm la belle, i need a poutine!

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