Who has been the best goalie in the NHL this season?

Who has been the best goalie in the NHL this season?

Martin Brodeur
Evgeni Nabokov
Ilya Bryzgalov
Ryan Miller
Jonathan Quick
Roberto Luongo
Craig Anderson
Marc-Andre Fleury
Miikka Kiprusoff
Jimmy Howard
Henrik Lundqvist
Tuukka Rask
Jaroslav Halak



49 Responses to Who has been the best goalie in the NHL this season?

  1. bbruins37 says:

    TUUUUUUUUUK

    and why is MAF an option?

  2. number15 says:

    There is no compeition this year…. its Ryan Miller

    Then there is everyone else, though the noticeable ones are Bryzgalov, Anderson, Rask, Quick, Howard etc……

  3. leafmeister says:

    Its not really a question. Its Ryan Miller. He does not have the best numbers in the league, but he is top 5 in everything, and his skill allows for his team to play a wide open style and not just fixate on defense. That is huge.

    In a context of this year, Ryan Miller has been the undisputed best, as he allows for his team to win consistently.

  4. lafleur10 says:

    jaroooooooslav halak

  5. bbruins37 says:

    Rask currently sits in 8th place all-time (or at least since 1983 when the stats started to be recorded) in save % for a single season among goalies that have played more than 21 games.

    Top ten, with age in brackets:

    1. Hasek (34) – .937
    2. Roloson (34) – .933
    3. Kiprusoff (27) – .933
    4. Thomas (34) – .933
    5. Turco (27) – .932
    6. Hasek (33) – .932
    7.Theodore (25) – .931
    8. Rask (22) – .931
    9. Luongo (24) – .931
    10. Hasek (30) – .930

  6. KingVilly91 says:

    does he want a *****ing medal????? Miller is by far the best goalie and quite possibly mvp

  7. Kramer says:

    The best goalie in the league is between Boucher and Toskala.

  8. bbruins37 says:

    Nah, a medal wouldn't do him justice. Simply put, he will go down as the best goaltender in history.

  9. DandoEagle says:

    but havent youve said all the time stats dont not matter?

    make up ure mind idiot.

    halak is gooder than rask

    price is gooder than rask.

    wining does matter? price won a junior championship, won a calder trophy for hammy. he knows how to win. halak alone took slovaks to 4th in the oly's. gooder than russia, swedharts and checks.

    price at age 20 had similer numbers. rask is 23 and had 2 years of tuturing in the A. he wasnt miss treated.

    halak does have amazing stats. 5 So's, 2.31 ave, .927 save percent. not far from rasks .931, 1.96 and 5 So's.

    but that of coarse doesnt not matter right?

    well keep in mind too that

    halak was a later rounder and had to battle his way to where hes is.

    rask was a gloried 1st. so he has to be gooder or else busted. you got lucky cause the loafs were stupid to trade him. and your loser team coulnnt pickem thamselves. see tovonen or ry*****kov.

    i thought with such a grate goaler who is the gooderest ever, theyd would be gooder than 7th place.

    keep in mind, halak playes on a undermanded team. not the 'deepest team in the nhl'.

    he is also quite small. like theodore. but suceeding well. he is ultera quick, amazing latteral movement, quick feet, grate glove, very smart in the net. he do not wastes energy in there. he isnt 6'3 like rask.

    keep in mind too. halak has giverawaygill on D and a foreward like bergy playing D too. the bruins have chara. he won the norris. while markov is grate, this team is like nigara falls. shots overflow to the habs net and halak is there.

    again. not the 'deepest team in the nhl' as you keep saying over and over and over and over. but yet you keept saying how rask has to do it all with the lowest scorer team in the league? what is it then? deepest team? or shit team that leans on its goaler?

    halak is batting the amazing price. tough when price is a god in montreal. but he is loving the chalenge. throw in the habs that they arent good and you have a man moving montains with 22 guys on his back.

    ure full of balony. you say stats not matter but barf them out when you need them. you say scouting reports dont matter when youve see gudbrensen play all the time and think he is grate. but you already know segin and hall are grater than kessel? you see them play lots and know? same with gormey? or is it you leand on scout reports. easy to see when someone. many someones say theyre grate players. there ranked 1.2.3.4 so i guess its just easy right?

    i aks cause you ripped someone and saying halak only had one good game. he has had a many grate games. he is amazing. and you know, i havent not seen segin or hall play in nhl. last i checked kessel had back 2 back 30 goals. as taveres has shown, not easy being number 1. sometimes just the flaver of the month.

    it takes amazing smarts to find grates like halaks late in rounds. show us your scout skills finding a player like this you predict is grate. not what the who damn world says.

    i dont think uve seen my habs play except when they beat up boston teddy bares.

    and last

    elliot too is gooder than rask.

  10. bbruins37 says:

    "price at age 20 had similer numbers"

    No, he didn't. Rask is breaking rookie records. Price had an amazing rookie season, but nowhere close to what Rask is doing.

    "he is also quite small. like theodore. but suceeding well. he is ultera quick, amazing latteral movement, quick feet, grate glove, very smart in the net. he do not wastes energy in there. he isnt 6'3 like rask."

    So Rask should be discredited for his physical gifts? Would you discredit Lemieux and Jagr just because a huge part of their game relies on how they use their bodies? Hell, size is a huge part of Price's game.

    "halak does have amazing stats. 5 So's, 2.31 ave, .927 save percent. not far from rasks .931, 1.96 and 5 So's."

    Yes they both do have excellent stats (although Rask's are indeed better). Those do not show consistency though, which is one of if not the biggest argument I have for why Rask is so good.

    "you say stats not matter but barf them out when you need them."

    I've always maintained a common ground that both are important. People choose to focus on a stat I spit out and ignore the context it was said in or other arguments I've had that go beyond stats.

    "you say scouting reports dont matter when youve see gudbrensen play all the time and think he is grate. but you already know segin and hall are grater than kessel? you see them play lots and know? same with gormey? or is it you leand on scout reports. easy to see when someone. many someones say theyre grate players. there ranked 1.2.3.4 so i guess its just easy right?"

    I've said scouting reports aren't my thing. I don't read whatever some random scout says and take it as gospel. I've seen Gudbranson the most, and Hall and Seguin a fair amount too. Gormley not as much, but I have seen him play.

    "again. not the 'deepest team in the nhl' as you keep saying over and over and over and over. but yet you keept saying how rask has to do it all with the lowest scorer team in the league? what is it then? deepest team? or shit team that leans on its goaler?"

    It's neither. A team can have a good set of forwards and a good goalie. It doesn't have to be one or the other. For as undermanned as the Habs have been, the Bruins have been much worse. their injuries have kept the team from ever icing a fully healthy lineup this year, which makes it near impossible to get into a groove or build chemistry up between players. There's no question that they have been starved for goals this year, which makes comparing Rask and Halak's win totals useless. If Rask allows anymore than 2 goals at the max, there's a very good chance he will not get the win, almost to the point where it's nearly impossible. 85% of his wins come when he allows 2 goals or less.

    "i aks cause you ripped someone and saying halak only had one good game."

    I didn't rip him because I think Halak has only had one good game (that's just stupid). I ripped him because he used that one game as his only argument. It was literally like he said: "Halak had a great game tonight. That's why I think he's better than Rask."

    And I have seen Halak plenty of times, and not just against the Bruins.

  11. leafmeister says:

    I assume you watch Bruins games right? K, just making sure.

    Do you notice anything about the shots on Rask? They are all perimeter. Last night for example, the only tough saves Rask had to make, were on the PK, and even then, they were mostly trafficless blasts from the point. If Boston played a more wide open game, and Rask put up the same numbers, than you could make your comparisons. He is good, but you are the ONLY person who calls him the next Brodeur. He averages under 30 shots per game, and has Chara on the ice for a good deal of the game.

  12. bbruins37 says:

    That's such a shitty argument. People just say that because they see one game a season and base it on that. Watch him play consistently and you'll change your mind.

  13. broc says:

    I wonder how many goalies have been able to put together 20 games at any point of their seasons with similar #'s.

    Really, that's only 1/4 of a season.. your post = fail. Lots of goalies can get hot for a month or 2 at a time. Talk about cherry picking your stats… 21 games, really? LAWL

    Hey, Brandon Yip had 11 goals in 20 games before he got hurt… he's one of the best scorers! See?

  14. leafmeister says:

    Wait what? Bbruins says my argument is shitty, damn. I guess stats and facts just cannot compete with his reality defying genius. Anything to prove it wrong? He averages under 30 shots per game against, and Boston plays the trap. So it is only logical that the shots against him are low quality. Since Boston has such a pathetic offense, they have to trap, lowering both the shot totals, and the shot quality. Rask is a good goalie, but most of the shots he faces are perimeter. Stick him in Washington's system and you would have a different story.

  15. bbruins37 says:

    Stats and facts proving me wrong? What do you not understand about a .931 save %? It's perfectly clear you've seen him play only against the leafs, and will base it just on what you saw. You've got guys like Wideman and Hunwick turning it over ALL the time, creating great chances for opposing teams, and the Bruins defence has been routinely beat to the outside because of their lack of speed which often creates odd-man rushes. You wouldn't know this because you don't watch them.

    Your whole argument is based on the hypothetical situation of him playing on a team like Washington. Enough said.

  16. bbruins37 says:

    and 30 shots a game doesn't matter if you still stop the greatest percentage in the league.

  17. bbruins37 says:

    Haha what? 21 games shows that it's more impressive. He does have to compete with all of those goalies that came in and were hot for a month. Rask has played over 40 games. Do you want me to change it to over 40 games? Rask moves up to 7th.

  18. DandoEagle says:

    price did it without the 2 years of seasoning, without extra 3 years of gaing more maturaty and in the hottest hotbed of hockey in the world.

    rask found himself where a team had 116 points, had the safetiest of having a vezina winner in goal and thus not pressured to dominate. good that he has played well,  but so many other facturs impacted price.

    but its just regular season. who cares. steve mason was grate for the jackets, and had an amazing 10 shutouts. but he got sweeped in the playoffs and that's that.

    and what abut rayflop. he had .926 percent, he had 2.05 average in his fist year. thats not different that what rask has done. rayflop did it in more games though….on a worser team. not the 'deepest team in the nhl'.
     
    lets see rask due what patrick roy did in his first season. i think thats why everyone thinks your a joke. the kid hastn not played a playoff game. until then, just stopped making u sound like an moron.

    what mean in saying the hight is that halak has more to overcome. he is smaller but makes up for having amazing latteral movement, amazing quick feet, amazing glove, amazing blocker, amazing thinking in the crease, amazing rebounds. he lackes a advantage rask has and is gooder at all those areas.

    no stats dont not show consistent. not those stats. but game stats both goalers have been ups and downs. thats just what happens in hockey. some the team is flat but the goaler is hot. some the goaler is flat and the team scores tons of goals and still lost.

    one thing you dont not know is how well both goalers due with like 70 plus games. roy, brodeur all the grates, well theve been able ot do it with the work. miller is doign that now. i dont know if halak could play that much. i know hed do ok but its hard for smaller goalers to handle that work. rask is tall but thin. he may get worn.

    play hockey first befour you judge. ive played goal. i know how that from as a smaller goaler its hard to not get tired. especly after 3 games in a day. i now the work needed. its not easy.

    what scouts say or not of whatever again can you say segin and hall are gooder than kessel? woulndt not they need more games at NHL level than none to feel they gooder than kessel? i mean not even at NHL level and you aready think there grater. thats the argued you have for when some said halak had one gooder game and thats he is gooder than rask.

    your right here. 1 good game dont supports the arguement. zeroes in games thus means your idiot thoght that segin and hall are gooder than kessel is as more than stupid.

    but with the 'deepest team in the nhl' hoew can you use injuries as a gospel excuse? as the 'deepest team in the nhl' wouldnt not a few injuries be easly replaced since there so deep?

    my habs had like 12 new faces. cammy, gia, atits, markov, gill, now spacek, mara, all missed tons of time. couldnt not build chemistry, had the hole new nuclus to put together and yet still have more points than boston. were not the deepest team in the nhl. 

  19. leafmeister says:

    You just look at that and say "OMG! Next Brodeur!"

    Look at how many shots he faces. Of his 42 games, only 17 times have the other team put up over 30 shots. Of his shutouts, only 1 came with the other team putting over 30 shots on goal. In 10 games he has played, the other team managed 20 shots or under. The guys lives on easy street. Are you denying that Boston plays a defensive system? Cause if Boston was playing an offensive system, than their lack of scoring would be extra pathetic. Claude Julien plays a defensive system, and they have Chara on the ice constantly.

    Your claim Boston has the best defense in the league, now suddenly they suck? Wow, what what game against the Leafs can change.

    Your whole argument is based on looking at 1 number, without acknowledging any outside influences. 

  20. leafmeister says:

    So you think it has nothing to do with Boston playing the trap, and forcing the opposing forwards to the outside?

  21. bbruins37 says:

    You say Rask had no pressure because he had the Vezina winner in front of him, yet you also say that Halak was so amazing because he overtook the God Carey Price. That's contradictory.

    Check out the stats of goalies before the lockout, and in 2003/04 in particular. It was the height of the clutch-and-grab era. Raycroft proved he couldn't play in the new NHL.

    Rask has been exceptional in the AHL playoffs, and while we are yet to see him in the NHL playoffs, I have no doubts he'll perform as well as he is right now. I'll just add that to my argument when it happens.

    I've actually been a goalie since I was 6 years old. And I'm a relatively undersized one at that (I'm 5'11 right now). I'm not arguing that a lack of size makes it more difficult, but youcan't discredit someone because of their physical gifts. If it makes them better, it makes them better.

    "no stats dont not show consistent. not those stats. but game stats both goalers have been ups and downs. thats just what happens in hockey. some the team is flat but the goaler is hot. some the goaler is flat and the team scores tons of goals and still lost."

    Nope. Rask hasn't had a bad streak. This is what separates him from others. Sure he'll have the odd off game, but it never becomes a prolonged stretch where this happens. The best sta on that is only having one two game stretch all year that didn't see him put up at least one .913 performance.

  22. bbruins37 says:

    Jesus this is like arguing with a two year old. How many times do I have to say I'm not only looking at save %?

    What's Brodeur known for? Barely facing any shots and staying sharp. And good job skewing the stats. How many half-games did you throw in there?

    Boston is playing the same system they played last year that saw them at no. 2 in the league for offense. The goals just aren't coming this year.

    The Bruins defence is good but have been plagued by inopportune turnovers all year. Whenever I talk about the Bruins having the best defence I'm including goalies in the argument. It's pretty obvious that a team like Chicago has the best actual defencemen in the league.

  23. bbruins37 says:

    Seriously how many times have you seen him play? You're just using a blanket statement. If you don't base your argument on the two games you've seen him in, you'd change your mind.

  24. leafmeister says:

    Brodeur is more known for being excellent year in and year out and having the ability to play 70+ games well into his 30s.

    If you really believe Boston was playing the same system as last year, than you are crediting the Bruins downfall purely to the loss of Kessel. Julien is playing a more defensive system, because he knows that his team lacks the firepower to keep up with other teams if they were playing wide open hockey.

    3 were half games, but they are still contributing to his GAA and save percentage.

    Still they dont allow many shots on goal. Even if they do turn it over a lot, it rarely amounts to a shot on goal.

    Just out of curiosity, what do you think Rask would be like a less defensive system?

  25. leafmeister says:

    Answer the question…how much of Rask's game would you attribute to Boston's defensive style?

  26. jpmac says:

    I am not saying I think Halak has been the best goalie thid year, but it appears he may be the hottest heading into the playoffs. any team with a hot, confident goalie should be considdered a threat.

  27. bbruins37 says:

    "Still they dont allow many shots on goal. Even if they do turn it over a lot, it rarely amounts to a shot on goal."

    Let's see some proof.

    "you are crediting the Bruins downfall purely to the loss of Kessel"

    injuries.

    "If you really believe Boston was playing the same system as last year"

    Julien has said it himself.

    "3 were half games"

    Half of his under 20 shot games were half games.

    "Brodeur is more known for being excellent year in and year out and having the ability to play 70+ games well into his 30s"

    But what happens in basically all of those games? He doesn't face many shots. Are you discrediting Brodeur?

    "Just out of curiosity, what do you think Rask would be like a less defensive system?"

    Stupid to analyze as it's purely hypothetical, but I think he'd be the same. The guy is just good.

  28. leafmeister says:

    Yeah lol. Savard was tearing it up prior to his injuries.

    You want proof? Look at the amount of shots they allow, if they turn it over so much, than it is only logical that they would not turn into many shots.

    Brodeur is a great goalie, but the system he plays in has to be taken into consideration. He did have Niedermayer, Stevens, Rafalski etc for a great deal of his career. Even after that he has still played in a defensive system. You cannot just ignore that.

    My mistake about the half games. Still though, a lot were in the early to mid 20s.

    Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree. All I do is look at an elite goalie like Miika Kippersoff, and see how his numbers coincide with his teams defensive play. When the Flames focus on defense he is lights out, when they focus on offense he is still good, but not as good.

  29. leafmeister says:

    Okay…I guess we will just have to wait and see how his career goes.

  30. bbruins37 says:

    Savard played 6 or 7 healthy games at the start of the season before going through a string of injuries all season long. How do you expect him to put up numbers in a season like that? It's the same for Lucic.

    The number of shots created off turnovers is not represented through a teams total shots against. For all you know 29 of the 30 shots could come in this situation. Not likely, but having watched the B's all year, I find that it's often the case. Either take my word for it or don't. There's no way I can prove it to you without a stat on it.

    So do you think Brodeur is one of if not the best of all time or not?

    You canpretty much view anything as a double edged sword as well. What does facing fewer shots say about a goalie's focus?

  31. DandoEagle says:

    4 games early january he had less than .882 percent. 4 straght games.

    price won in the A. but as of yet he hasnt had a grate playoff. while i dont not doubt he will suceed in the second season, he hasnt not proven yet and neither has rask. rask didnt not win in the A.

    how though after 1 year and how rayflop did did you know during that year he couldt play? you didnt. and if you admit, your a lyer.

  32. bbruins37 says:

    How am I supposed to answer that question? I've told you I think he'd be great in any system. His defence has bailed him out in certain situations but I can't tell you "how much" credit they deserve.

  33. bbruins37 says:

    I'm talking about starts. I think one of the games he came in and faced five shots there, and let one in.

    Raycroft played great in his rookie year, but that was before all the rule changes.

    Rask couldn't have done anything else in the AHL playoffs. He can't score goals for his team.

  34. leafmeister says:

    I do think Brodeur is one of the best of all time, but you cannot look at his career without taking the system he plays for into consideration.

    Niklas Backstrom won the Jennings trophy a few years back as a 1st year NHLer, he is a good goalie, but it also has to do with Minnisota's system.

    In the end, focus can be analyzed on a game-by-game basis, but in the end, the goalie who gets peppers with more shots lets in more goals than the goalie who faces 15 shots and never gains his focus. 

  35. bbruins37 says:

    How are you taking it into consideration if you think he's one of the best?

    Discrediting Rask based on another goalie's downfall is illogical. We don't know how Rask would perform in Minnesota right now, but ruling out the possibility that he wouldn't keep up his great play isn't fair.

    I'm not arguing that the goalie who faces more shots won't let in more goals. I don't look at GAA. That, like wins, is more of a team stat. 

  36. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Typically, Yes…

    The best goalies have been Rask and Halak as of late, but the offence on these two are so anemic that they will not last past the second round iif they get there…I think that Montreal could get past Buffalo, but not past the likes of Ottawa, New Jersey, Washington, or Pittsburgh

  37. leafmeister says:

    I think Wayne Gretzky is the best player of all time but I still appreciate he was on the same team as Paul Coffey, Mark Messier, Glen Anderson, and Jarri Kurri. Great players are great players, but you cant look at their careers without looking at the teams they played on.

    Rask would have performed well in Minnesota during the Lemaire days, he defines defensive coach. My argument is that the team system is very important when looking at the goalies numbers.

  38. leafy says:

    For my money, the best goalie in the NHL today is Tomas Vokoun.

    He sees more rubber than any goalie in the NHL, playing on one of the shittiest teams in Florida.

    Yet he manages a save pct at 0.926, good for no. 3 in the NHL.  He does this every year. Quietly gets the job done while playing under the radar.

    He doesn't even make the list of goalies in this article. See what I mean? No respect.

  39. bbruins37 says:

    He's one of the best. I didn't even notice his name wasn't there.

  40. bbruins37 says:

    Rask's quote:

    "I know [Kessel] wants to score on me so bad," Rask said. "Besides I've been chirping at him for three years now because I like to read his shot pretty well and I always know where he shoots at, and so far he doesn't have any goals on me."

    and some more wisdom from hockey's greatest netminder:

    "You know, I just try to go one puck at a time," he said. "If you start thinking about that you have to keep the score at zero or one, usually that ends up going four or five. So you just try to keep yourself calm and trust the guys to create some scoring chances and score some goals."

  41. dumbassdoorman says:

    well quotes like that settle it he will be better than Brodeur for sure.

  42. bbruins37 says:

    You gotta love his confidence. He just called out Kessel for the predictable player he is.

  43. dumbassdoorman says:

    Did anyone else catch that news confrence on TSN? The NHL has stated that the award for best goalie is now the Tuuka Rask trophy, they are putting him in the Hall of Fame at seasons end and have declared him the greatest goalie if all time!!! They have realized that Brodeur only has 599 reg season wins, with another 98 in the playoffs. Has only 109 reg sea shutouts, with only 23 more in the playoffs. He has also only won 3 cups, two olymipc golds, 4 Vezina trophys and the Calder. He has a few other International medals as well. They are embarassed they have overrated Brodeur while not showing Rask the respect he has so obviously earned.

  44. bbruins37 says:

    it's about time.

  45. mojo19 says:

    You put Ottawa up with NJ, Was, and Pit, but not Buffalo?

  46. DandoEagle says:

    all this makes zero no sense.

    you keep saying he is grate every game, but yet but when he has strings of not so grate games, you changes the rules and say starts only.
     
    and you say rayflop played in trap yers. well ok, the goal average is off by .19 a game. big wup.

    so what does that say about Roy? you aready sayed rask was gooder tahn brodeur.

    well Roy played at first in the none trap years. in his first year, goals average were almost 4 a game. 3.97. yet he somehow won the cup as a 20 year old? of coarse, winning dont not matter. i guess grant fehr is shit.

    goals for were like a full goal more on average than today at 3.74 in 1989.
    yet Roy ave was a redickulus 2.47 was a .908 percent.

    at same age. Roy was 2.90 and .900. amazing stats considering there wasnt not a trap.

    but i know what your going to say. the players are gooder now. excuses excuses. last i check grate gretzsky, mario magnifique, yzerman, patrique lafontaine, denis savard, luc robitaille, dale hawerchuk, peter statney were hall of famers.

    well the trap if you wantch hockey is prevlent today more than yesterday. the bruins play it. its just there isnt not the clutch and grab.

    and sure rask cannt score. but what? the 'deepest team in the nhl' cannt have grate full teams? so cannt score means still 'deepest team in the nhl'?
    thats so oxmoroinec!

  47. nordiques100 says:

    hands down its Miller time. Miller gets his first Vezina and gets the Sabres to the final 4.

    biggest surprise has been how Halak has completely stolen the number 1 job from Jesus.

    in the no surprise category, Rick Dipietro is missing off this list. injured yet again. Boy that Luongo and JOkinen trade for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha was brilliant by mad mike. as was picking Dips and passing on Heater or Gabby. Good the Isles get to see what they've missed out on 6 times a year across town.

  48. mojo19 says:

    I used to hate the Islanders but now I just feel bad for them. I actually think they're going to have a good team next year and fight for a playoff spot.

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