Who's to blame for Ryders misfortunes ?!

So we all know that Micheal Ryder is out of town for sure by Feb 26th. He’s had a less than stellar year with a mere 8 goals and 18 points. What happened to the guy who scored 25, 30 and another 30 goals the past 3 years ?

It’s easy to blame the guy for his lack lustre year but lets keep in mind all the factors bearing in his downward spiral.

He has not been consistant but neither has coach Carbonneau. I understand the coach wanting more effort from Ryder but he has been on the first line, the third line and benched 7 times !

The real problem, is the “first” line. Ryder hasn’t been doing well but Higgins isn’t the shadow of the player this teams organization had drafted. He is struggling too. Why is that ?

Saku “Captain Hook” Koivu … thats right. Our beloved captain, who has once again gotten a hooking penalty in our offensive zone, as usual, in last nights game againt the Senators could have cost the Habs the game.

The only thing Saku is close to leading right now is the teams penalty minutes with 78, second to Kostopoulos.

This team has leadership and Koivu’s days should be numbered. Im glad he was a huge contributor in and around the city of montreal through charitable donations, hospitals, etc but this isnt Unicef … it’s the Montreal Canadiens. It’s still a job and if you cant get the job done, goodbye. Let Higgins and Komisarek take the reigns. Especially Komy, he leads by example, is passionate and hates losing. You can tell just by watching him during interviews.

Now Gainey is a smart man, he knows it isnt uniquely Ryders fault however, he does see interest in him and as you’ve seen in the last 2 years, people pay ridiculous prices come deadline time. Bob knows Ryder could be a great fit somewhere else but not here, he just isnt the player we need. He is a one dimensional player.

Ryders greatest weapon in his arsenal is his shot and for some reason even I’ve noticed that starting with last season he’s been trying to do more. Fancier plays, fancier passes, dekes … this isnt his style. He gets the puck, he picks a spot, he shoots and scores … thats all he has to do. When he does this, he excels.

So Bob will play the waiting game, as he usually does and then wait for the highest bidder. The situation is lousy for Micheal but hockey is a business and Gainey knows this all too well.

Kovalev for Jozef Balej
Rivet for Gorges + 1st round pick (Pacioretty) !

If anyone can pull a steal, it’s Bob.

On another note … I doubt that Gainey will trade Huet by fear of spoiling his playoff chances and hurting the teams chemistry but allow me to dream here for a minute, within the realm of the possible of course, but what a great time it would be to trade Huey.

Tampa is in dire need of a tender and have manifested tremendous interest in him. He would be a starter for the Lightning for at least 2 to 3 years and receive a good 4 million in my opinion. Feaster has Karri Romo as his goaltending prospect and knowing that Huet is 32 and gets fatigued easily enough it would give Romo opportunities to play and develop. Perfect situation for everyone.

We have Price so, all we really need to acquire is a veteran goaltender for the playoffs because we dont want to put all the pressure on the kid and stunt his development. we aren’t gonna win the cup this year anyway, so why not. But Gainey isn’t a gambler, so surely, this wont happen. It is a little like throwing the towel on your season and the words Gainey and quit just never quite seem to mesh well.

Bob, get us Tampas 1st round draft pick for Huet and a shot at getting Steve Stamkos. If anything, keep that 1st round pick and offer LA your 1st round pick plus a defensive prospect ( Valentenko maybe ? or even Halak) just to make sure we have the 1st pick overall. LA doesnt need another center with Kopitar and O’Sullivan already.
You get Stamkos and you get that 1st line center we’ve been dying for in Montreal for a decade.

What do you guys think ?

Thanks for reading


27 Responses to Who's to blame for Ryders misfortunes ?!

  1. bauble74 says:

    Unless you're Mike Milbury there's no way you would trade a potential #1 overall pick for someone who will be a free agent come July 1. If Tampa does end up with the number 1 pick then it's obvious that one of the Big 3 will have to go. Any potential trades will be made after the draft and not before it. Besides, we don't know for sure who will get the #1 pick. As of now it would probably be between the Lightning, Kings and Leafs, but even that is not certain.

    Huet is going nowhere. If they lose him in the summer so be it but I'd be darned that Bob will trade his number 1 goalie with the mometum the team's having. If Tampa had that mentality in 2004 they would have traded Khavibulin and they would not have won the Cup.

  2. rcichard03 says:

    isnt everyone aloud to have 1 bad season .. .*****en habs fans way to stupid … there gunna trade him .. then hes gunna have a 50 goals season … and then your gunna btich about how stupid the trade was

  3. percussio says:

    I agree … but what if Gainey were to guarantee Huet a contract and then trade him. Say 12 million for 3 years.
    I think Feaster is desperate, Ive even heard speculation of him considering Theodore. Personally I think Huet could get slightly upwards of $4mil/year in free agency so it would be a deal for Tampa. I just think he's an ideal fit over there with Ramo waiting for his shot and a few french speaking players.

    Plus, I doubt Tampa is after Stamkos seeing as they have Lecavalier which is untouchable and Richards whose untradable due to his salary. So our first draft pick with Huet and a defensive prospect could be interesting but, I was kind of only fantasizing cause Bob is Bob so there's no way that's gonna happen.

    Ive heard he is seriously going after Hossa but then again, thats just speculation.

    Im with you on keeping team chemistry but I highly doubt we will come close to winning the cup this year. A team like Anaheim with its rock em, sock em style play in the playoffs or the Red Wings powerhouse scoring would simply be way too much for us to handle.

  4. percussio says:

    Oh I dont doubt he will … but Im not Bob Gainey either. This guys gonna end up like John Leclair. The problem is, he doesnt seem to fit in the teams philosophy and style.

    By the way, I just thought I'd point something out …

    – it's allowed, not aloud meaning out loud
    – way too, not to you need to add an o when something is "too much of"
    – they're … short for they are, not there which indicates direction
    -gonna with an a, not gunna    which is already an abreviation
    and lastly, 50 goal season, not 50 goals season .. i know its 50 so its plural, i guess it's just one of those tricky ones 😉

    Kind of takes away from the credibility from calling me a stupid Habs fan doesnt it ?

    Like I said, this is whats "gonna" happen, not to be mistaken for … this is what I want.

  5. sdopus says:

    Really insightful comments.  1st, Ryder is never going to have a 50 goal season, and 2nd, he is an UFA at season's end so the habs would likely lose him anyway.  Though I think his trade value is at an all time low and he will fetch very, VERY little he has to be traded, as otherwise he will be lost for nothing.

  6. rogus says:

    Bye Bye Ryder. Higgins s/b a 3rd liner with Chipchura and latendresse. Sergei s/b 1st liner and Gainey should go after HOSSA to play on the 1st line! What a 1-2-3 punch we'd have then.

  7. Vinnypleasecomehome says:

    Good first half of an article. The second half (suggestions for your best friend Bob) needs revision, as stated by bauble above.

    FYI –

    M-I-C-H-A-E-L.

  8. Vinnypleasecomehome says:

    Buddy, I think your grammar lesson needs a grammar lesson.

  9. percussio says:

    Thanks and no hard feelings for our previous spat … just being a Habs fan  ; )

  10. habsoverserver says:

    Ryder never scored more than a dozen strength goals a season and without Koivu feeding him and first team powerplay time, he can't score more than 15 goals total.  He can score 20-25 as a second line forward for a playoff team.  Koivu is  no longer the first line center.  Plekanec's line is driving the bus.  They alone won the Ottawa game. 

    Tampa is missing the playoffs, why would they acquire a player at the deadline?  They can rebuild in the off-season.  

    Montreal has many prospects, but there are six skill spots on the forward lines and four skill spots on defense.  The bottom eight players can easily be found on the free agent market.  Montreal has Koivu, Kovalev, Plekanec, Higgins, A. Kostitsyn, S. Kostitsyn, Hamrlik, Komisarek,  Markov  and Gorges.  They can trade a prospect if they want.

  11. percussio says:

    The only reason I could see Tampa wanting to get Huet before the off season is that Huet will entertain some offers from many other teams thus driving up his salary. From what Ive heard, Tampa is really interested in acquiring his services considering Feaster was desperate enough to mention Theodore as a possibility. If they are this desperate … I would exploit it.

    He'll be a free agent but maybe Gainey can sign him to a contract before sending him off. Something that both parties could agree on and it would probably be much cheaper than free agency.

    Like I mentioned though, Huet isnt going anywhere, not Bob Gaineys style to throw the towel. Sourray is the perfect example although Sheldon pretended he had interest in staying with the organization.

  12. Vinnypleasecomehome says:

    it's cool. You might not want to read what I wrote as a reply to your last posting in the Filling Habs Roster article. Unless you already did, in which case I appreciate the sentiment even more. Cheers!

  13. RoenickTheGreat says:

    Try having your house broken into twice during the summer and then having Carbo rotating you and benching you all season, no fun for anyone. Ryder has been my favourite since joining the club and I will miss him if he's traded. Thanks Ryder.

  14. RoenickTheGreat says:

    You can’t even spell and your calling us fans stupid. Get a life dork!

  15. Machismo87 says:

    We all know that Ryder is out of Montreal, but he will not be part of a package deal with the Thrashers for Marian Hossa. The Montreal Canadiens will trade him to make cap space and to try to sign Hose this summer. The Canadians only need a tough’s guy in their line up for the Playoff. The organizations are happy that the team is making the playoff this year without the help of Ryder. We have to remember that the organization has lots of young prospect and the future is looking brighter then ever. With one more year of experience the Kostitsyn brother and the Plecanek’s , Komi , Lappy, Latendresse , Price we can think of the cup in two year or less . 

    M87

  16. kirk11 says:

    John leclair remember him???? when i first seen ryder i was impressed. he is not 1 dimensional, i played hockey all my life ,played junior ohl. trade ryder and we will be kicking ourselves in the ass. he is not himself because of all the speculation and we didnt sign him to long term…. sign him he will score 40+ goals , he is that type of player size and skill

  17. habsrock99 says:

    Ryder has no one to blame but himself. He abandoned the one thing that made him a 30 goal scorer and that's his shot. It's not like he hasn't been given an oppurtunity. He skated on the Top line through the first 30 games and produced nothing more then 4 goals and like 8 points. And through the last 23 games he's played with Koivu and Higgins in at least 10 of the 16 games he wasn't scratched.
     
    He shouldn't be on that line. That spot should go to someone who's been producing like Sergei Kostitsyn (14 points in 24 games, 4 less then Ryder in half the games and BTW he has great chemistry with Higgins) or Latendresse (12 even ES goals out of 14 total and who's produced everytime he's played with Koivu going back to last year).

    Ryder will be nothing more then a 25-30 goal secondary threat on any other team. No, he won't score 50 (unless he plays with Thornton because he can make anyone a 50 goal scorer IE. Jonathan Cheechoo) and he'll never score 40. He'll max out at 35 if he's lucky.

    Why not try and trade Ryder to Dallas for someone like Antti Miettinen? I'm sure Dallas would love to get Ryder considering he played well with Ribeiro in Montreal. If we did this, we could permanantly move either Sergei or Latendresse on the Koivu-Higgins line and they'd definitely produce more then when Ryder's on there, they couldn't do much worse.

  18. habsrock99 says:

    Ryder has no one to blame but himself. He abandoned the one thing that made him a 30 goal scorer and that's his shot. It's not like he hasn't been given an oppurtunity. He skated on the Top line through the first 30 games and produced nothing more then 4 goals and like 8 points. And through the last 23 games he's played with Koivu and Higgins in at least 10 of the 16 games he wasn't scratched.
     
    He shouldn't be on that line. That spot should go to someone who's been producing like Sergei Kostitsyn (14 points in 24 games, 4 less then Ryder in half the games and BTW he has great chemistry with Higgins) or Latendresse (12 even ES goals out of 14 total and who's produced everytime he's played with Koivu going back to last year).

    Ryder will be nothing more then a 25-30 goal secondary threat on any other team. No, he won't score 50 (unless he plays with Thornton because he can make anyone a 50 goal scorer IE. Jonathan Cheechoo) and he'll never score 40. He'll max out at 35 if he's lucky.

    Why not try and trade Ryder to Dallas for someone like Antti Miettinen? I'm sure Dallas would love to get Ryder considering he played well with Ribeiro in Montreal. If we did this, we could permanantly move either Sergei or Latendresse on the Koivu-Higgins line and they'd definitely produce more then when Ryder's on there, they couldn't do much worse.

  19. habstruefan says:

    There is no place for ryder in Montreal no more.keep puting that in your heads.I dont give a shit if he turns out to be a john leclair,he wont be a john leclair in montreal.He's can't play defense, he's not much of a skater,not to smart with the puck,the only asset that he has is shooting.And even that he has a hard time doing,he missed the net last year so many f**k en times,You can't put all your money shots on one guy that has a hard shot but misses alot.We need a player that can do more than shoot in montreal and that why we have the glory brothers right now.
    ryder also can't play along the boards, The LIST NEVER ENDS WITH THIS GUY.Ill admit i loved him in his rookie year but realise quickly he's not much of a skilled player.

    bring it on

  20. Freak says:

    If you don't shoot, you don't score… simple as that. I'm a fan of Ryder's but if there are other players playing better then him, and his spot is filled, then he should be on another team. As for Koivu… I don't really know what to say. He doesn't look the same, maybe he wants out and he's playing lazy on purpose lol. Maybe he needs a legitimate scoring winger that he can set up, to get him motivated.

  21. rcichard03 says:

    I'm sorry i didn't know this was spelling and grammar class. I thought this was a site where we post rumors. I was typing quickly as i was about to be on my way to work. I'm just simply sick of all these Ryder articles.  He's having an awful season we all get it. He might not be preforming due to an injury, because if its your UFA year you sure as hell don't play terribly. Think about it.

  22. arigold says:

    Sorry Habs fans, he's just not that good.  End of discussion.  Second round pick max for a guy that's done absolutely nothing this season seems more than fair. 

  23. Kramer says:

    There's a conspiracy happening under our noses.  Pete Rose and Rick Tocchet are only scapegoats and a smokescreen for the bookies who are the real culprits.  Read the latest below.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2008/02/06/rose_sportsnet_exclusive/

  24. morrissey says:

    Craig Rivet fetched more last year, 1st rounder + Gorges… Ryder could do better than a 2nd rounder. I'll admit he isn't great, that's why we're ditching him after all, but at trade deadline in a bidding war, he'll go for more than he's worth to a desperate team trying to keep pace with other teams' improvements.

  25. arigold says:

    Solid defenceman will always fetch more though.  Down the stretch they are the most valuable assets to acquire.  There will be a lot of scoring available, ensuring that unless the Habs really screw somebody, theres no first round pick in it for them.

  26. morrissey says:

    There's not much available really, parity is much stronger this year, not enough teams have been eliminated from contention. There are more buyers than sellers with as many as 12 teams in each conference still seeing the playoffs as a possibility, making this year even more of a sellers market.

  27. vegas4241 says:

    Definately must be something going on between coach Carbonneau and Ryder, Cause team is getting no secondary scoring and Ryder has been riding the bench the last 3 games.

    At first I thought it was due to a trade in the works but now it just seems like Carbo won't give him a break.

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