Jonathan Bernier sign with Maple Leafs. 2 years / $5.8M #RDS
— Renaud Lavoie (@RenLavoieRDS) July 6, 2013
Jonathan Bernier sign with Maple Leafs. 2 years / $5.8M #RDS
— Renaud Lavoie (@RenLavoieRDS) July 6, 2013
Hmmmm 2 years between $2.25 and $3. I think someone won bragging rights.lol
Ok, ok, trade maybe trading Kessel for Kassian and Higgins wasn’t the worst thing ever posted then.
Hats off RLF, you’ve bested me.
I knew you were going to bring that up if you lost.lol
Btw it was
Bad trade for sure.lol
I seem to remember someone followed that up with
Reimer, Kadri,+ if I remember. Any idea who that was?
Actually the first thing I thought of when reading the Bernier signing was that HTR bastard was right.
I wish you were right actually. Bernier for 2 years under $1.75 would have been awesome.
Ok, ok, then maybe trading Kessel for Kassian and Higgins wasn’t the worst thing ever posted either.
Not going fail Nonis for this off season by any means, happy to see a proactive summer. Already we’ve seen more than most past Leaf GMs but it is Nonis’ 1st summer so he had to be aggressive.
So sick of Ottawa’s whining about Alffie, I’ve always hated that market for over the top bs like this, he’s a UFA, you didn’t hear MLSE whine about Sundin leaving. Grow up.
As for Detroit, not that scary, their blueline was inept so they add two soft forwards? They also don’t have the goaltending to contend. Whereas Toronto gave themselves another dimension in Clarkson, between JVR, Clarkson, Lupul, Orr, McClaren, Kulemin and Bolland the Leaf aren’t being pushed around by anyone.
Boston is losing a step. Iggy is no Horton these days.
Pittsburgh did address their needs on the blueline so good on them.
I’m happy with how the Leafs hold up this year, there is no shoe in besides Pittsburgh but Toronto is in the mix.
Also how great would it be if Bozak gets traded the second after Kessel reups?
I think for one year Iggy could provide as much as Horton did. Iggy makes some creative plays out there and can still use his strength in the corners. He’ll fit in fine for Boston.
Looking at potential Boston lines (move things around a bit if you like)
Milan Lucic – David Krejci – Jarome Iginla
Loui Eriksson – Patrice Bergeron – Brad Marchand
Dan Paille – Chris Kelly – Carl Soderberg
Shawn Thornton – Greg Campbell – Rielly Smith/Chris Bourque
Zdeno Chara – Johnny Boychuk
Dennis Seidenberg – Dougie Hamilton
Adam McQuaid – Matt Bartowski
They’ve lost a bit of their depth, but still a line up that could take the division.
Laughed pretty hard at that back up.
By the way, that last comment about Bozak is my dream. Big F U to Phil, but whatever. haha.
Revised list of intriguing free agents for the Leafs –
1. Ron Hainsey
2. Tom Gilbert
3. Ryan Whitney
4. Toni Lydman
5. Douglas Murray
1. Jaromir Jagr
2. Brendan Morrow
3. Damien Brunner
4. Dan Cleary
1. Peter Mueller (plays wing too)
2. Nik Antropov (plays wing too)
3. Manny Malholtra
I think Murray is the type of stay at home physical dman this team is missing. My only problem with this offseason is if Liles isn’t gonna play regularly, he not Komi should have been bought out. Komi only had a year left I think the buyout could have been better used, with the exception that a classy guy is gonna get a chance to play.
I still would prefer Dustin Penner over anyone on that Wing List… More Grit and size plus has won 2 cups n plays well under Carlye
I thought about Penner. My brothers convinced me that we don’t want him. I think his physical conditioning is really poor. He had a rough couple of seasons (granted he looked good on that cup winning team, but they were all on steroids obviously.)
It’s the possible cost on Penner to play the third line that I wouldn’t like. We need a big strong guy under $2mil.
A guy like Christian Hanson on the cheap two-way contract might be worth another shot. Big guy, can skate and plays with a little sandpaper. Might be a nice compliment to Kulimen and Bolland.
What about Ponikarovsky or Antropov coming back? Both are 31, neither guy is signed. I think either guy could slide in on a 1-year deal for pretty cheap and do a good job. Both guys were routinely our best defensive forwards in an otherwise undefensive era of Maple Leaf hockey, and they both protect the puck on the boards in the offensive zone well.
Both guys became Canadian citizens while with the Leafs. Personally I love Nik, so I’m bias, but I would really like to see him signed to like a 1 year $1.2 million contract or something. Have him come in, and flip around from 3rd line wing to 4th line C, or the odd game scratch. Could be a good guy to fill out the roster. Plus size!
His last 3 seasons he’s posted 41, 35, and 18 (in 40 games) points. So still a steady half point a game player who is reliable in his own end.
*Both guys are 33
Poni I have no interest in. Nik, if it was a limited role and cheap like you said…maybe. I don’t think you get Antripov for 1 year at that price though. He is going to likely get $2-$2.5+ IMO.
Maybe. Maybe the summer drags on, we get closer to camp, teams are all in a tight crunch, no contract. Boom. 1 year deal, cheap cheap. Happens.
Although I suspect Nik gets a deal in the next couple weeks, and ya probably in the $2 mil range.
The Maple Leafs’ line-up for 2013-14 as of right now:
James van Riemsdyk-Tyler Bozak-Phil Kessel
Joffrey Lupul-Nazem Kadri-David Clarkson
Jay McClement-Dave Bolland-Nik Kulemin
Frazer McLaren-Joe Colborne-Colton Orr
Extra: Carter Ashton
Carl Gunnarsson-Dion Phaneuf
Jake Gardiner-Cody Franson
Mark Fraser-John-Michael Liles
Extras: T.J. Brennan, Korbinian Holzer
I wrote on another post perhaps trading for Scandella on defence and Emmerton up front
Percy to Wild for Scandella and Rupp (logic being to take some cap hits from wild but yet still give them a down the road prospect)
4th and 5th/6th rounders to Detroit for Emmerton (logic being they need to clear forward logjam and Emmerton out of options)
The leafs could then find homes for Rupp and Liles as salary dumps. Perhaps for anything from 4th to 7th round picks. It doesn’t matter really.
In this scenario the cap space opens, the team adds 2 ready Nhl players who are still quite young and only adds 1.5 mil in cap hits but gives the leafs depth.
The team is not likely going to sign any veteran free agents I don’t think unless they want to take less than a mil to come here.
My other option is dump liles who’s at close to 4 million and trade for the pens niskanen and jokinen who combine to make 4.6 mil. Jokinen can win draws and shootouts while niskanen is a fairly solid 3rd pair D who can skate.
I heard the Leafs are trying hard to get Stastny.
I just had a horrible thought.
Follow me on this.
We get Bolland and Nonis said he will get a chance at a more prominent role then in Chicago. Hinting a shot at second line centre.
We buy-out Grabo and re-sign bozak who Nonis makes clear he wants back and Kessel lobbies for him to still be our first line centre.
We draft Gauthier and have Colborne in the system.
See who is left out of conversations by Nonis and not re-signed yet? Kadri
Is it Nonis plan to move Kadri and go with
Is Kadri the one he is going to move? If so, for what?
i think you’re over-thinking it.
Kadri is fine. He’ll be there, so will Bolland with Bozak.
If there’s a prominent role for Bolland, it will be facing the other team’s best lines every night. It will be a new challenge for him to go out and prove he can be one of the premier checking centres. The East in brutal. Giroux, Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Krejci, Bergeron, there are elite guys everywhere. He’ll be challenged for sure.
Possibly, I’m just speculating. It’s not so much moving Kadri, it’s Bozak being cemented as the #1 that’s horrible.lol
You would think we would have heard something along the lines of “we are hoping to have something worked out soon as Nazem is a big part of our future.” I haven’t heard anything.
When the Leafs bought-out Grabo, I said I fear this means Bozak is coming back…many said that was not necessarily true either, so who knows really.
Not saying it will happen, but if he is thinking Kadri could help land a top d-man, like a Bogosian etc, the re-signing of Bozak makes more sense if he is planning on moving Kadri for another piece.
unless we are planning to make a huge play for Pietrangelo, we shouldn’t move Kadri.
I cannot see Nonis moving Kadri to just give the 2nd line center position to Bolland, I’d much rather he earn it and then move Kadri for a different position to fill a gaping hole if need be.
Actually if there’s one core guy we had to trade to get a much coveted proven first line center, I pick Kadri. His stock right now is quite high after an almost PPG season. A very good player but might be a good time to sell?
That’s where I feel Nonis is on this. I think he realizes that Kadri is the Leafs best shot at a number one center one way or another.
Nonis is very calculating in most things he does. He made his decision with Bozak, he was comfortable with 4.2 million on a 5 year term because he sees Bozak fitting in as our 2nd best offensive, all-round useful center. He isn’t pumping Kadri as our #1 cause he doesn’t want to pay him big money now, and he doesn’t want Leafs fans to get attached to the idea.
I don’t at all believe that he is close to trading Kadri or is shopping him, I think he wants to downplay Kadri, sign him to a two year deal to prove himself, then make a decision on whether or not he is a good enough #1 guy, or make him expendable to get that guy. I don’t think it’s that he has given up on Kadri, but I think he has decided that if Kadri isn’t a legitimate top tier scoring center, he isn’t interested keeping him around as a #2.
That being said, I am still a big Kadri fan, and I think he has the potential to be a #1 guy on a good team. There is nothing that says a number one center needs to be big, there are lots of great centers in this league who aren’t big power forward guys. Crosby, Giroux, Stamkos, Duchene, Tavares and Datsyuk.
If Kadri can develop to the point where he is legitimately comparable to Giroux, I would be happy with the Leafs down the middle. I am not saying that is likely, but definitely possible. He has a very similar career trajectory and skill set. At this point in Giroux’s career he had just completed his first full NHL season. Kadri actually had a better first full pro season at the same age then Giroux. That doesn’t mean he is better, but it is worth pointing out as it does show it’s not completely ridiculous to suggest that Kadri could be that good.
Despite all the flak he has taken, he has performed at every level. In his last OHL season, 3rd in scoring, makes the jump to AHL where he is a PPG player. First full NHL season, he’s almost a PPG player. The media has acted as if he is taking steps back, when outside of stints in the NHL as a 20 and 21 year old playing 10 mintues for a coach that doesn’t have a good reputation with rookies, there hasn’t been much in the way of stalls in his career.
That said 2 teams in the west that could use a good centre…Calgary and Winnipeg.
Could there be a deal in the works around 2 RFA’s, Kadri and Bogosian. The peg has Little and Burmistrov, both RFA’s unsigned and have not re-signed UFA’s Antripov and Wellwood.
Jokinen would look pretty good down the middle for Winnipeg.
Bogosian could be the guy to play with Phaneuf and maybe there could be a Bogosian & Burmistrov for Kadri + ?(Percy) to be done.
buristrov signed a 2 yr contract in the khl
I wonder if he has an out clause should he be traded before the season starts. He clearly wants out of Winnipeg.
Making a big play for Pietrangelo would be huge. But I can’t see the Blues moving him. It would have to be some kind of Kessel type situation where the player basically forces the GM and ownership to move him. Contract talks would have to go really sour.
I would also love to see a Phaneuf for Evander Kane swap. That would be cool. We’d need to address some serious defence, but in the long run it would make total sense. Of course we’d probably have to throw in something else, prospect of some kind, maybe a draft pick as well.
I don’t think Dion has the trade value that many do. I think if he gets traded, he won’t get the return many are hoping for.
You’re probably right about that.
With all the moves, I see 3 reasonable places for Phaneuf.
Carolina, Florida and Winnipeg.
Is it possible for a Phaneuf/Skinner involved in a trade for each other? Maybe I guess. Carolina has both Staals and Skinner is making $5.75.
Then Kadri would likely be moved to a team that needs a centre for a D return…maybe for an Alzner or Bogosian in a deal.
I don’t get where you’re thinking Kadri is going to be traded, he’s an RFA. GMs usually take care of their RFAs after they deal with UFAs. Sure Nonis took care of draft day (Bolland), UFA (Bozak) and then RFAs come next, it’s not just Kadri, he hasn’t signed Franson or Gunnersson either. I don’t expect him to trading either of those two blueliners just like he won’t trade Kadri.
As I said above, I’m not saying it will happen, but that I find it odd that there has been no mention of getting a deal done with Kadri. RFA or not, in such a media crazy market as Toronto, you think something would have been reported. Franson and Gunnar would likely be lower on the priority list, so I understand that more.
I hope he isn’t unless the return is to fill a need.
Franson and Gunner make up half of our top four, that’s pretty significant
I meant lower priority than Kadri, the former 7th overall pick and possible future first line centre is likely top priority, then Franson, then Gunnarsson. One of those 2 d-men are likely not going to be in our top 4 if something can be done to improve the D. It’s reasonable to assume that Kadri would be the number 1 RFA priority.
between the trades for Bernier and Bolland, probably scouting throughout the playoffs, preparing and proceeding with the draft and the 1st days of unrestricted free agency, no wonder there isn’t a mention of Kadri.
I think its panic over nothing to be honest. I think its hitting the itchy trigger finger too quickly to think about moving Kadri.
It was his 1st real full NHL season. They’ve taken the time to nurture and develop him. They’ve been patient with him though his impatience. Carlyle has done well by him.
Was his playoff not great? Probably not. But Mike Richards had 1 assist and was a minus 5 in his first playoff too. We don’t really question his playoff ability anymore 6 seasons later.
I think with Bozak back this will help Kadri. He’ll get Lupul or JVR on his left, Clarkson on his right.
He can slide in with Kessel at times, but being the 2nd line centre, he won’t get Chara, Kronvall or any of the other elite shutdown guys for the most part.
He has more to prove and Carlyle is a great guy to help him prove it. Its all dependent on his desire to be better, to be elite. We really don’t know that because we’re not around Kadri 24/7. So there isn’t any point to speculate that or worry/think he’ll tank next year and already thinking we’ll regret it.
Just because Leaf Nation has a fetish to run local players out of town doesn’t mean it will happen this time too.
I don’t think he will tank, I just think it’s possible since Nonis brought in a top 9 centre and re-signed a top 9 centre (after free agency started) that Kadri may go, while he has good value, for something else of need.
As you mentioned, it was his first real NHL season and a short one at that. Nonis has said, “no one is safe” and although it’s the norm to sign UFA’s then RFA’s, Bozak was closer to an RFA because he was with us and could have been re-upped before July 5th.
Nonis decided to work hard on Bozak. He could have seen what it would take to get Kadri done and then seen what was left for Bozak if he was going to let him get to UFA anyway. Maybe Bozak wanted to field offers from other teams first, but I would have to think if that was the case, he got offered just as much or maybe more from another team(s).
If Nonis had of re-signed Bozak before July 5th and then waited to see what it will cost for sure to sign Clarkson, then I totally see why he waits on Kadri. He chose to keep working on Bozak right into UFA and then see how much he had left for Kadri. I know Kadri is RFA, but he made Bozak his priority and Kessel wants Bozak, not Kadri.
I’m not suggesting Kadri is gone. Hard to say…it’s not possible though.
If we could drop Liles and allocate that $ to Jagr, that would be great. I know hes interested in playing for the Habs. I wonder if the Leafs made an impression on him in that playoff series?
Just don’t put him on a line with Clarkson – although they will use the boars real well, the foot speed is going to be terrible.
Forget the golden oldies Mo, gotta go with youth and much younger legs for the Leafs….and save the dough for help on D.
We could use 1 more big forward though. I felt our #1 problem last year was that we could never get a cycle going. It lead to a lot of offensive zone turnovers. Jagr, Antropov, these are big bodies who can work the boards down low, but especially Jagr.
Jaromir was leading Dallas in scoring the day he was traded to Boston. This is a guy who can still make a big impact. I would love to get him for 1 year. He was awesome in the playoffs, despite not producing much. What I loved about him is that he could walk out of the corner backwards, protect the puck and then dish it off to the point or down low, but it was rare to get the puck off him. He also would come in over the line, and without the speed to burn any dman he would just stop, cut into the middle, protect the puck and then distribute it. He would be a perfect compliment to an otherwise speedy team.
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