Columbus hot on trail of Hemsky, sources tell Peter Adler

Ales Hemsky to Columbus? Sources in Prague say they heard that Scott Howson, the Blue Jackets GM, is keenly interested not only in Philadelphia’s Jeff Carter, but in the Oilers’ winger, also. No more
details, though.

Staples’ comment: Interesting tidbit from Peter Adler here. This rumour should come as no surprise (and Adler’s sources are excellent, I might add). Howson needs his team to win now, both to save his own job and to keep the NHL flicker alive in Columbus.

I’m not in favour of trading Hemsky, even if he presents a difficult contract issue for the Oilers.

He is in the last year of his contract, so he can sign a new deal for the 2012-13 season in July. He has been an outstanding player when he’s been healthy, averaging almost a point per game, something few NHL players achieve.

He will be 29 years old in the first year of his contract, and one would hope he would have four or five more peak or near peak seasons in him at that age.

But he hasn’t played much the past two years, just 47 games last year, 22 the year before. He’s been hit hard with shoulder and concussion injuries.

So what to do? I’d keep him and sign him to a lucrative two or three year deal, not long-term, a deal that offers money instead of term. That way Hemsky can prove he’s healthy at a time when the Oilers should still have cap space. In those same years, the Oilers can also assess just how much they will need Hemsky as Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Magnus Paajarvi, Linus Omark and the other young wingers develop.

I don’t see how another prospect, except for a real hot shot like Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Adam Larsson, is a better bet for the Oilers than Hemsky. They need his talent, his ability to play tough minutes, his ability to score. They need real NHLers on this team, not just kids, no matter how good the kids.

44 Responses to Columbus hot on trail of Hemsky, sources tell Peter Adler

  1. cam7777 says:

    If the rumors are true of Jagr wanting to join the Red Wings, maybe Hemsky ends up in Detroit as well.  How would Red Wings fans feel about something like this:

    To DET: Hemsky
    To EDM: Filppula, Filppula, 2nd in 2012

  2. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    I would think Tambellini would.

    Talent aside, why would Holland make that trade?

    Hemsky has concussion and shoulder problems and is a bigger cap hit then Filppula. He hasn't even played half the games the past two seasons. Filppula plays on a team with massive depth at centre and had 39 pts in 71 games as a third line centre.

    Does Hemsky take the second line spot from Franzen or the first line spot from Datsyuk in order to give him the minutes he would need to produce like he did in Edmonton.

    So let me get this straight…Holland should give up a guy who would be a second line centre on a lot of teams, an older prospect and a second round pick to get an injury prone guy with a bigger contract to play on the third line? Holland isn't as smart as I thought.

    I Know you will have a response in "painstaking detail" how it makes perfect

  3. MystifoLeafs says:

    So woke up to see that there was riots in Vancouver "Although I expected it." but the funny thing is I read that they are calling it a terrorist attack. Now I was not there but come on seriously?

  4. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Unless Valtteri Filpulla is cloned…This trade won't go through.

    Illari recently signed with Jokerit in Finland

  5. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    LOL Yea that's true he did, like a month ago, a four year contract I think.

    Maybe that's the plan…clone Valtteri just to sweeten the pot, otherwise Tambellini would have said "NO WAY." lol

  6. TheLeafNation91 says:

    LOL. It explains the Red Wings dynasty

  7. cam7777 says:

    Filppula is massively over-rated.  He would not be a 2nd line center anywhere – including Edmonton.  He is actually one of the most searched buy-out options on capgeek – Detroit fans aren't very fond of him for the most part.  To think he outranks Mike Komisarek (who has a much larger fanbase hating him), is significant.  Not saying I agree, just saying, those who watch him a lot aren't as impressed as the people who only know that everything from Detroit is amazing.

    I just think it makes sense because of Detroit's rumored interest in Jagr.  Hemsky and Jagr are best friends, Hemsky has long tried to lure him to Edmonton – but Edmonton is such garbage.  They could unite in Detroit.  Helm is now the 3rd line center in Detroit anyways. 

    Not sure the attitude was really necessary.  I am sorry to have offended you by posting a question about an Edmonton Detroit trade.

  8. cam7777 says:

    Doesn't matter.  Obviously the only NHL pieces are Filppula and potentially the pick.  Illari would be the equivalent of the Leafs adding Mike Zigomanis onto a deal – all about appearances.

  9. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    I disagree on Filppula's talent. I don't believe everything that comes out of Detroit is amazing either. I think they are well coached mostly. I like what I see from Filppula when I watch him play, that's all. You can't consistantly get 40pts as a third line minute guy and be sh*t,IMO

    It wasn't meant to be attitude BTW, I was just trying to have some fun with you, that's why I put the LOL…seems I offended you. My apologies. ..again. I know you don't agree with a lot of my thoughts, that's cool, no problem.  I have tried to bury the hatchet (so to speak) with you a few times and just keep things light. Although I don't agree with your ideas… on occasion lol…they ussually have merit…well, most of the time

    Regardless, I still don't think Detroit would make that trade.  If adding in the brother makes no difference, in your opinion…then why did you include him in the first place? You must have thought he had some value.
    Hemsky is a hit away from another long term injury or worse. If Jagr wants to come to Detroit, friends or not, they don't need to add Hemsky to get him to come. A Stanley Cup contender, year in and year out, should be enough to get him interested.

  10. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Oh yea, You did not answer my question.

    where does Hemsky fit in? 1st, 2nd or third line?
    $4 + mil is alot if he's the third line guy with Jagr.

  11. Leafs_Wallace says:

    Burke might be eying Markov, think it's a great fit so long as it's a short term deal.  Could pair him with Komisarek in hopes to capture some old glory.

    Phaneuf Aulie
    Schenn Gunnerson
    Markov Komisarek

    Nothing too far fetched there, Markov could turn the power play around. Hopefully he'd come cheap.

  12. cam7777 says:

    Tough to say, depends if Holmstrom retires, which is apparently a possibility:

    Zetterberg – Datsyuk – Franzen
    Hemsky – Hudler – Jagr
    Bertuzzi – Helm – Cleary
    Abdelkader – Tatar – ______

    Again, don't get carried away bashing me here, I was just randomly speculating. 

  13. Jets_Back says:

    1 yr, $4.5-$5 million. Would you do it?

    If he is healthy, Markov can be an impact player. If not, well that financial hit goes away on LTIR.

    The dollars for this immediate season are not an issue. But with his injury history, asking for 2 or even 3 years at that price is not ideal. 

    Likely he offers that kind of sweetheart deal to Montreal first.

    He is a better all around player than Kaberle whom essentially he is replacing.

  14. cam7777 says:

    He doesn't get 3rd line minutes though, he gets 2nd line minutes.  In fact, his most common linemate is Pavel Datsyuk.  I think a lot of the realization behind Filppula's realistic skillset came when everyone got injured last year, and Fippula was left holding the ball.  He was completely useless during that stretch.  He made Bozak look like an offensive force.  Detroit fans couldn't forgive him, and realized that it was the greater talent that surrounds him that makes him look good.

    His brother has value for the sake of appearances.  For example, if the Leafs were to trade Christian Hanson and a pick to Dallas for the rights to Richards, Hanson is a lot more attractive to the casual observer than he really is.  You look up his stats, his size, and he looks pretty darn good.  Outscored Cody Hodgson this year.  You can dress that up.  The reality is he's probably a 3rd/4th liner in the NHL at best.  Same with Filppula.  Looks like more assets going one way.  Edmonton fans value Hemsky beyond his actual worth, which is why there would need to be placating involved in my opinion.

    Wasn't aware he packed it in back to Finland though, my bad.

  15. cam7777 says:

    I've never bought that argument about Markov being the better all around player.  There is not a shred of statistical evidence to support it.  At best they are equals.  The only difference in their perception is a ravenous, hateful media pressuring Kaberle vs. a Hab-centric lovefest for Markov.

  16. Leafs_Wallace says:

    It depends who hits the market, I'd like Erhoff or Wiznewski because they could be a fixture in our top four for 4-5 years but I'd like Markov as a band aid rather than gambling on a Pitkanen or Brewer.

    2 yrs eight million would be nice for Markov IMO.

    As for cam's comments I agree however we played a lot better overall without Kaberle, Kaberle is a great player but not a fit in Toronto being competitive.

  17. cam7777 says:

    Our improvement had nothing to do with Kaberle being gone. Our PP went from bad, to absolutely painful to watch. At least Kaberle could get it into the zone and get it set up. Much like in Boston, it’s not his fault nobody had a clue what to do after that point.

    The turnaround was coming with Kaberle still in the lineup. The reason was Dion Phaneuf finally returning to 100% health and getting his conditioning back, coupled with Reimer providing not spectacular, but adequate goaltending for the first time in years. If there was a trade that changed our fortunes, it was the Beauchemin trade. Phaneuf played better next to Aulie, and Lupul made Kessel better than a PPG guy during the final stretch. Kessel was desperate for any upgrade over Bozak/Crabb.

  18. TheLeafNation91 says:

    Hard to criticize Boston when they won the Stanley Cup…

    With Kaberle on the third defensive pairing with McQuaid.

    The shining defencemen in that series though was Seidenberg, Chara, Boychuk and Ference. They played a great two-way game against a very deep and extremely talented team. Kaberle and McQuaid played well in the series, but no where near the other four.

  19. Boston_Bruins says:

    Still on a high from this and am still having it sink in, but I wanted to give some thoughts on the Bruins run in general.

    Thomas. Wow. Outside of the first couple games in Montreal and parts of the Tampa series, he was pretty much perfect. I was thinking about the best single season performance by a goalie ever, and I really think this trumps Hasek in '98/'99. Looking at the stats:

    Thomas – RS: 35-11-9, .938 S% (1811 Shots), 2.00 GAA, 9 SO
    Hasek – RS: 30-18-14, .937 S% (1877 Shots), 1.87 GAA, 9 SO

    Thomas – Playoffs: 16-9, .940 S% (849 Shots), 1.98 GAA, 4 SO
    Hasek – Playoffs: 13-6, .939 S% (587 Shots), 1.77 GAA, 2 SO

    Bergeron and Marchand. The two most consistent forwards the entire playoffs, and the two heroes in game 7. Something you'd expect from Bergeron, but Marchand, while he didn't come out of nowhere because he was impressing all season, really elevated his game. The confidence he showed in the Final in particular was remarkable.

    Chara and Seids. The main keys to the defense. Like Bergeron and Marchand, you expect it from one, but Seidenberg REALLY elevated his game to the point where I'd say he was every bit as good as Chara this run.

    Krejci and Horton. Horton was just clutch. He brought the tenacity he did when he first came to Boston and it's a shame he couldn't have been on the ice to win it. Krejci struggled mightily against Montreal, but he really showed up in the primary offensive role the rest of the way, which is exactly what we needed from him.

    Kelly, Ryder, Peverley, Ference, and Boychuk. These are the guys that needed to elevate their games and they did. Nothing Fernando Pisani-like obviously, but just really solid, consistent play the whole way through.

    Who needs a PP?

  20. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    LOL. not bashing. it was a legitimate question.

  21. cam7777 says:

    Here we go, it's time to start making heroes out of very average defenders like Ference and Boychuk.  By next year they'll be untouchable franchise cornerstones, lol. 

  22. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    LOL. If they win back to back…they may

    In all seriousness, Ference and Boychuk did play great hockey though…and playoff time is when it matters.

    I am not for going after Markov. Too injury prone.
    I know some will say "yea, but if he's injured, it doesn't go against the cap." True enough. Problem is, that he would be slotted in as a top four guy and if he goes down…the replacement will not be a top four guy. You have also spent that cap room and realistically, you don't get it back unless you make a trade.

    I am curious on what Kaberle's perceived value is now. It must have dropped due to his diminished role in Boston. Now that he is a Stanley Cup winner and could bring that "know how" to the Leafs dressing room, I wonder what it would take to sign him. if it's reasonable, I would be for it.

    What if Kaberle would sign in Toronto on a 2-3 year deal for $3-$3.5 mil per year…would you guys do it?

    I'm not sure if there was anything in the trade or CBA that prevents it, if so, no worries. Just curious.

  23. Leafs_Wallace says:

    I'm not critical of Kaberle on the PP, that is his bread and butter.  The Leafs suffered for running the offense through him  5 on 5, the Leafs are young and fast, Kaberle slows the pace of the game as he's so good with the puck, it gives him the time to be patient and as he smoothly brings the puck up the ice opponents get the time to get in position defensively. 

    Kaberle is a great player but not a fit in Toronto.

  24. Leafs_Wallace says:

    I’m not critical of Kaberle on the PP, that is his bread and butter.  The Leafs suffered for running the offense through him  5 on 5, the Leafs are young and fast, Kaberle slows the pace of the game as he’s so good with the puck, it gives him the time to be patient and as he smoothly brings the puck up the ice opponents get the time to get in position defensively. 

    Kaberle is a great player but not a fit in Toronto.

  25. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Interesting thought on why Kaberle doesn't fit in Toronto's system. Although I understand your point, I can't say I agree. Boston is not a fast team, and kaberle had more touble fitting in there than in Toronto. A calmer presence on the backend is a lot of time what a young team needs.

    I like the look of the Leafs D with him in there now with the emergence of Phaneuf, Schenn and Aulie. kaberle does not have to be the "go to guy" anymore as others have taken Leadership roles.

    Now that Kaberle has seen what it takes to win and has the recent playoff bug…I like the look of

    Phaneuf  Aulie
    Schenn  Kaberle
    Gunarsson  Komisarek(Lashoff)

    I'm not stuck on Kaberle. I would rather have Bieksa. But if Kaberle comes at a good price…I would do it.

  26. Leafs_Wallace says:

    Bostons had the option so cut Kaberle's minutes, the Leafs felt they had to give him at least twenty minutes a night.  He played a significantly different role in Boston.

    The bottom line is that we didn't miss Kaberle, at all, no reason to spend cap room on him.

    Bieska is has UFA bust written all over him, he had a good playoff run but his game will come back down to Earth come November.

  27. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    Agreed that Bieksa will be too expensive, but he had a good year, not just playoffs. 22pts in 66 gm 73pim's and a +32. He will have trouble living up to his contract(should a team grossly overpay) more than his talent. I said I was interested in Bieksa before the trade deadline, so his playoff run, which is when it really matters, helped solidify what he can do. IMO
    I would much rather have a guy who performs in the playoffs over guys who perform in the regular season but can't step it up at playoff time…aka The Sedins.

  28. KingCanada says:

    Last team that inquired about Hemsky was LA and the Oilers brass asked for Brayden Schenn in return which was obviously refused so they settled with Dustin Penner instead.  IMO if any deal is involved the Oilers will be asking for at the very least Ryan Johanssen and possibly a good draft pick as well.

    Im not sure what would be better for include Johanssen or to include Voracek in a trade?  They both had similar junior careers so its hard to gage which player has the most potential.

  29. Leafs_Wallace says:

    Unfortunately for blueliners in Toronto perception is reality and Bieska will be universally dismissed the weight sinking Leaf Nation long before we make the playoffs.  I'd love Bieska at 3.5, he could be the player we expected Beauchemin to be however I see him making between 4.5-5 million over four years. I don't think Bieska could survive his contract if he walks.

    On the flip side, I like Erhoff for the same reason, he hurt his image a bit in the playoffs and could be had in the 4.5-5 million range and actually be productive.

  30. cam7777 says:

    There is no denying they played very well, but the fact is they are still very average defenders.  Just because Kaberle got stuck playing 16 mins/night with McQuaid does not mean Ference is a superior defence-men, but I expect moronic Leaf fans will start to buy into that line of thinking any time now.  There isn't a team in the league that would take Ference over Kaberle.

    I still think Julien had no idea how to use Tomas.

  31. cam7777 says:

    Ugh, no thanks to Bieksa or Ehrhoff.  A year ago, Vancouver fans couldnt get rid of this guy fast enough.  He has one impressive playoff series, and suddenly he's the most attractive UFA defender?  I hate how the playoffs skews everyone's opinions on players.  Very curious to see how Yzerman handles the contracts of Bergenheim and Purcell after their mini-breakouts.  Could very easily be a Torres/Pisani situation with gross overpayments after a good few weeks of play.

  32. blaze says:

    After that collaspe Bieksa is sticking around for sure. That spineless team needs all the grit it can get/retain.

    Erhoff I would think walks before Bieksa now, but I see both staying. If a dman has to go Gillis will ditch Ballard, even if it means losing Schnieder.

    haha who would ever take Luongo's contract?

  33. blaze says:

    definitely a 'GM of the Year' contract.

  34. MystifoLeafs says:

    Yeah Purcell is great but hes more of a 3rd line depth guy, I really hope they don't overpay them because a bad contact can make a good player look god awful.

  35. cam7777 says:

    That comment in itself makes my point for me.  Fan perception of players is so sporadic.  If Purcell were making 4 million dollars, no one would have cared about his production, and yet it should not be seen as any less impressive.  Likewise, Ference and Boychuk played really, really well, and they are both cheap, but winning the cup should not make them heroe – but it will.

  36. Leafs_Wallace says:

    Lou will get another season in Vancouver but if Gillis was savvy he'd try to ship back to Panthers before it's too late.  Panther's need a player that can draw and Lou has roots there.

    Schnieder becomes a starter and Gillis would have the cash to keep his blueline intact.

    But we all know Gillis won't have the stones to execute.

  37. i_know_hockey says:

    Fantastic numbers by both goalies.

    But a supporting cast of today's bruins is night and day compared to the team hasek had in front of him.  I think buffalo's mentality was lets score 1-2 goals and let them try and beat our goalie.
  38. cam7777 says:

    I wouldn't do either deal if I were Columbus.  Hemsky is a great player, but so unreliable with his injuries.  Not worth any kind of serious investment in my opinion.

  39. cam7777 says:

    Not sure why no one has mentioned the idea of a Luongo/Carter swap.  Avoid Bryzgalov altogether and just make a straight up hockey trade:

    To VAN: Carter, Coburn
    To PHI: Luongo, Raymond

    -waive Ballard

    D.Sedin – H.Sedin – Burrows
    Carter – Kesler – Samuelsson
    Higgins – Malhotra – Hansen 
    Lapierre – Hodgson – ________

    Bieksa (5) – Edler
    Ehrhoff (6) – Hamhuis
    Coburn – ________

    Schneider – __________

    Nucks have 4 million to fill in their blanks

    J.V.R, – Richards – ________
    Leino (3.5) – Briere – Hartnell
    Raymond – Giroux – Versteeg
    Shelley – Betts – ________

    Pronger – Carle
    Timonen – Meszaros
    Gustafsson – ________

    Luongo – __________

    Flyers have 4 million to fill in their blanks.

  40. Jets_Back says:

    Its ok to admit you are wrong man. Just thrown in another guy. Illari was an unrestricted free agent, has less than zero value now having signed with another team and will likely never return to North America.

  41. TheLeafNation91 says:

    You cannot say that because it all comes down to money.

    If I had a choice at Kaberle for 2 years at 5 million and Boychuk for 2 years at 2 million. I ain't taking Kaberle…And I believe many would be on my side.

    Kaberle's a good defencemen…But he is not great and nowhere near that. He is Lubomir Visnosky, Brian Campbell…Not Zdeno Chara, Doughty, Weber.

    I don't understand how some Leaf fans say Julien did not know how to use Kaberle? You build your team around star players…And Kaberle is not a player you build a team around. Maybe on the Leafs…But then again, maybe it explains why they have not made the postseason since the lockout ended. And how can you discredit a coach that has won more cups then the Leafs have won in the last forty years? A coach, IMO, was maybe the biggest influence in why the Bruins won the cup this year.

    So basically…You're saying Julien knows crap, and Maurice, Wilson, etc were all geniouses in their strategies.

  42. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    What do you mean by a serious investment…a quality prospect?

    The Detroit idea you had was Filppula, a 2nd and other Filppula(which we know is not available, so let's throw in a AHLer)…would this be a "decent" investment by Detroit? I agree on the Hemsky being too unreliable, so I am wondering what you think is a reasonable investment into him and what would be a serious investment? just examples to get an idea of what you would invest…and what you wouldn't.

  43. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    In the end, Tomas just did not play well.

    Hard to compare Julien to Maurice and Wilson though (even though I can't stand Wilson) because Julien had a lot more to work with. Maurice is well known for getting a lot out of not much, as he did inToronto and again in Carolina…is he a "great" coach, I don't know unless he actually has a lot of quality to work with. As for Wilson, he has had the talent in the past…and mostly underacheived. I Do not like his tactics or stratagies.

    I think Julien is a very good coach. Boston looked ready to play most nights and his line matchups usually worked in his favour…hard to knock him at this point.

  44. realistic_leafs_fan says:

    I am not sure Philly is interested in Luongo at this point. I am not one who has been knocking him, but let's be honest, he did not have a "need this guy in the playoffs" kind of performance.
    Philly wants a guy they can rely on because of years of frustrating playoff miscues in net. Isn't Luongo's playoff performances similar to what they have had in the past and are now trying to avoid?
    Why go after Luongo?

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