Door opening for Iginla deal

The fans have spoken and so has Jarome Iginla, making it clear two-thirds of the parties involved are at least starting to come to grips with the possibility of a trade.

We’ll hear from the club at noon Tuesday when GM Jay Feaster treads carefully around an issue that has dominated the Calgary sports scene the last week like never before.

And while Feaster and the ownership will have the biggest say in whether the Flames’ retooling involves replacing their current captain, it’s evident the door is opening for what was seemingly impossible just three months back when he scored No. 500.

After more than a decade as the face of the franchise and the most popular player in Flames lore, the captain’s standing as the most untouchable piece of the Flames is essentially now over.

He admitted as much Monday, acknowledging he will be subjected to the same off-season scrutiny as mere mortals around him for the first time since he became an NHL star.

The 34-year-old said he’d prefer to stay in Calgary but doubted he’d be interested in sticking around for an Edmonton-like rebuild, reiterating he wants a chance to win. Once again loathe to admit his team is any worse than various top-eight outfits, the consummate company man still thinks the Flames are “close.”

Time for a baseline test Iggy.

Far more shocking than his admission he may not want to be around for a sizeable overhaul were the shocking poll results in the Calgary Sun Monday showing that 49% want Iginla traded.

Never before has the classy man with such iconic status ever come close to what amounts to a 50-50 split in support of an open-ended stay.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/04/09/door-opening-for-iginla-deal


48 Responses to Door opening for Iginla deal

  1. reinjosh says:

    It took the team long enough. Rumors were starting to emerge that Feaster was not the one that was under the illusion this team could be a contender, and tried to make changes but was blocked by management. If management is on the same page, then this a good thing for the future of this team. Iginla could bring a fair bit back as a potential one year rental and he brings a lot to a team looking for a cup. 

    It wouldn't even have to end his career in Calgary. Just have him take a short break to allow him to pursue a cup and the team to start a rebuild. He could sign back on July 1st 2013, or even in two or three years (give him an extended time at cup elsewhere) when the team is in much better shape and could use a veteran influence like Iggy's. 
  2. Steven_Leafs says:

    Agreed, the only way Iginla stays is if Calgary trades their 14th overall pick+ for an impact player. If they do this Calgary might have a few years with a chance at the Stanley Cup followed by a very long rebuild after everyone retires (similar to EDM and TOR).

    I personally would go with the short re-build. Flip Iginla for a solid young forward or a top 10 pick in this draft (unfortunately the teams with top 10 picks either cannot afford the salary or do not want to give up their blue chip pick for a veteran player with 1 year left on his deal).

    I could see:

    To CGY:

    11th overall pick
    16th overall pick (assuming WSH doesn't make the conference finals and lower this pick)

    To WSH:

    Iginla

    I wouldn't want to see this deal personally but it could be exactly what Washington needs. Ignoring the salary issues with this deal. 

  3. JoelLeafs says:

    Really coming down to the wire for an article on first round predictions, aren't we?

  4. reinjosh says:

    Haha you really get annoyed by the randomness of the articles don't you?

  5. JoelLeafs says:

    Meh, just seems like there are a few staple articles that should be up here: Draft day discussion, deadline discussion, a major trade breaking, July 1st (or right before)… like, common sense Trademan… ugh.

    TLDR: Yes.

  6. reinjosh says:

    I think Washington could make a lot of sense. Maybe give the rights to Jokinen as well since they have a pretty big need for a second line center. 

    Is that enough for Iggy for a year? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe tack on a conditional pick like the Kaberle deal? 
  7. reinjosh says:

    I think Washington could make a lot of sense. Maybe give the rights to Jokinen as well since they have a pretty big need for a second line center. 

    Is that enough for Iggy for a year? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe tack on a conditional pick like the Kaberle deal? 
  8. reinjosh says:

    Haha yeah. It can get annoying. 

  9. reinjosh says:

    Haha yeah. It can get annoying. 

  10. Steven_Leafs says:

    I think it is a good price for Iginla, they get a top 20 league-wide player for at least a year. Remember they could always re-sign him, Iginla seems like the loyal type to stick around if they are willing to give him the money/term/clause he wants.

    Personally if I was Calgary I would want a more established player than the 11th & 16th overall picks but 2 mid first round picks in a very deep draft is quite useful.

  11. reinjosh says:

    I'd think they would be interested in Eakin. I'm not sure Washington would be interested in trading him though.

    Two firsts would be very useful. Especially when they would then own the 11th, 14th and 16th. That's a pretty sweet position to be in. 
  12. reinjosh says:

    Teravainen, Guance and Finn (going by mynhldraft.com, although I'd choose Maata over Finn) is a pretty decent way to start the rebuild. 

  13. Steven_Leafs says:

    agreed, If I were Calgary, ask for Eakin, 11th, 16th for Iginla + mid level pick/prospect/player, and then settle for a little less if you must. Heck though, with 3 picks that high you can easily trade 2 or 3 of them for a higher pick. Lots of options.

  14. frankinboltonleafs says:

    With the little bits I've heard and read here and there….does anybody else get the feeling that Gaunce is the kid we should be going for? It just feels like he's going to be this drafts gem when we look back 3 or 4 years from now.

  15. Steven_Leafs says:

    not with the 5th overall pick. He could be a sleeper pick but not worth picking over Galchenyuk or Forsberg. I'd love to see Winnipeg take him personally.

  16. FlamingHomer says:

    I don't see Feaster getting anything close to what he and Flames fans think will be a good return for Iginla. He's worth more to the Flames to stay than his trade value.
    Calgary can go into next year with Iginla, Tanguay, Cammellari as the first line then improve on the other 3 three lines. It still won't get them a cup but it should buy some time until they can develop the young'uns.

  17. frankinboltonleafs says:

    No….I meant trading down. I keep reading cautionary tales about the top 5 guys.

  18. reinjosh says:

    I disagree with you. He's a first line winger on any team in the league. He's almost a lock for 30 goals and 65 plus points playing with very little support. Plus the leadership he brings (which is huge to a cup contending team). He won't bring a ton but he's not going to bring something disapointing. 

  19. reinjosh says:

    I wouldn't trade all 3 but being able to trade two them up gives them lots of options. Maybe see if you can get a top 10 pick with the 14th and 16th pick and grab two potential impact prospects to add to Baertchi. 

    It would just be a great way to start the rebuild. Three picks in the top 16, or two in the top 11. Good things. 
  20. reinjosh says:

    I would not trade down. The top 5 is pretty impressive and I really don't see the benefit of trading do Gaunce is a boom/bust kind of prospect and we don't need that anymore. We need elite talent and that's really only going to be available in the top 5 or top 8. 

    He was pretty good this year but I know many people question his offensive upside. Most expect him to really only top out as a second line center. 
    I like him, but I'd prefer Grigorenko/Galchenyuk/Forsberg over him. Even with the potential risk of the first two.
  21. Steven_Leafs says:

    yeah not really worth trading down unless someone wanted to really overpay.

    definitely keep our pick.

  22. Steven_Leafs says:

    only keep Iginla if Calgary is willing to spend their future to win now.

    Example: trade their 14th overall pick to get a big impact player or trade the 14th + Bartschi for a nice no.1 center.

    If they are planning to only make small tweaks they are much better off trading Iginla and Kipper for what they can.

  23. FlamingHomer says:

    I wasn't implying he was a bum. Just curious, what do you think he would bring in a trade?

  24. FlamingHomer says:

    Honestly, I don't know what this team needs but if you are doing small tweaks I think you need to keep Iginla and Kipper unless you are shooting for a lot of lottery picks in the following years. And maybe that's not a bad plan either.

  25. Steven_Leafs says:

    I only meant if your only willing to do small tweaks (like trading 3rd round picks for 3rd/4th line players) then your better off not bothering and just trade your vets and re-build. You gain nothing by making small changes.

  26. frankinboltonleafs says:

    Fair enough; you're probably all right. Guess I'm coming from the 2008 draft perspective. There are at least five guys there we probably shoulda taken over Luke. None of them ranked fifth. We don't have a great track record drafting high historically outside of Clark, (maybe Iafrate..I think we picked him high…that pick is still up for debate). I wonder sometimes if gut instinct should outweigh the obvious. I reread this and it may read sarcastic….its not meant to be. Every draft is a crap shoot and my crap shoot pick is Gaunce.

  27. reinjosh says:

    No I get what your saying. It's hard to really judge things like that though. Yeah looking back there are players that we should have picked but for a lot of reasons didn't.

    Luke was a safe bet to be a top 4 and still really is. He still had some mystery to him as people weren't really sure how good his offensive side could be. Even now, he's been disappointing but he still has some pretty big potential as a physical destructive player. We took Luke (IMO) because he was a fairly safe bet for the NHL and the team needed someone to build around. Even looking after him it's unlikely we would have gotten a better player (it's hard to really know) as the closest guy to making a bigger impact (Hodgson, Wilson I count on similar levels to Schenn) was Myers and that would have been a stretch at 5 or even the original 7 we had. I'm getting off topic, but my point is I don't think you can look at the way a past draft has gone and judge the current draft by it.
    Every draft is a crap shoot, but you can usually look at it and see a fairly good top 5, or top 4 or top 8 of players that are elite and be fairly certain they are locks to make the NHL. This year it appears to be 6 players with elite upside in Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, Forsberg, Murray and probably Dumba. After that it gets murky but I think its a fairly safe bet we will get a pretty damn good player with one of these picks. 
    I get the gut instinct idea though. I feel like a lot of times that really does way into it. 
  28. reinjosh says:

    At the very least? I would think a top prospect, a first rounder and a decent salary player as roster dump.

  29. LeafsFTW17 says:

    I just thought of some stupid trade proposals in my head and wanted to write it down ahaha..

    Since Edmonton wants Murray, they can trade the pick and get some assets;

    3 way!

    To Edmonton:  Cody Franson, Tor 1st(Murray), Ben Scrivens, LA 2nd.

    To Toronto: Dustin Brown, Jonathan Bernier, Edm 3rd.

    To LA:  Edm 1st(Yakupov).

    Edmonton basically gets Franson and Scrivens for nothing, thanks to the lottery win. While they still get their coveted draft prospect in Murray. Plus another top 50 draft pick.

    Toronto gets a younger goalie who can fight Reimer for the #1 spot, making a competition that will surely bring out the best of one of them, thus fixing their goalie problems.  They also get a top 6, truculent, american, leader in Brown. And a pick that will more than likely be useless for 5+ years. 

    They are getting a lot but they are also giving up a top 5 pick, a top 6, young Dman(For Edmonton) and a good goalie prospect.

    LA fixes their goal scoring troubles by getting a 40+ goal scorer for many years while only giving up which to them is basically a top 6 forward(who they are shopping) and a backup goalie.

    It might not seem like the fairest trades but in the grand scheme of things, it looks pretty good for each franchise.

  30. FlamingHomer says:

    If that was the case, I would be OK with that. I'm not sure if the offers would get that high though.

  31. FlamingHomer says:

    That's true.

  32. Steven_Leafs says:

    I highly doubt Murray drops to 5th overall, if Edmonton is going to make this deal for a D-man, they need to be prepared to take Dumba. Also LA's 2nd would have to be in 2013, not a big deal though.

    LA would probably like this deal, very solid return for Brown and Bernier, EDM clearly does well although may regret the deal later, and TOR might be giving up too much for a question mark in goal and a big winger. It is close value-wise but may not be the deal they want to do. Love the idea though, nice post.

  33. reinjosh says:

    I think you underestimate Iginla's value. His contract won't be a huge deal since he will be on the last year of his contract. Iginla is still a premier player in the league. I'd guess he would garner a price similar to what Burns got last year if he's traded at the draft. 

  34. reinjosh says:

    Anyone see the Wings-Preds game last night? Great game. Rinne was unreal and Howard was pretty damn good too (the first two goals were luck by the Preds). 

    But did anyone see what Weber did to Zetterberg at the end of the game? What the hell was he thinking?
  35. LeafsFTW17 says:

    You're right, Murray probably won't drop that low but there is alway the chance, Fowler dropped quite a bit a couple years ago allowing the Ducks to draft him. So you never know but you're probably right.

    And thanks, I love messing around with ideas lol.

  36. albertateams says:

    It was a great game. Rinne is just amazing glad the Preds locked him up. For whatever reason Zetterberg must have really been under Weber's skin because he snapped. A pissed off Shea Weber isn't going to be much fun to play against for the Detroit forwards. I really like how Nashville looks that's a solid team at all positions.

    I think Vancouver is in trouble with LA. LA as the 8th seed in the west just shows how deep and competitive the conference is.

  37. albertateams says:

    It might not be what some Flames fan's think he's worth but if he's moved I still think Calgary gets a top prospect, 1st round pick, and maybe a little extra to go with a salary coming back.

    A top team that fall's short and has cap space for next year could be a very attractive destination for Iggy. Washington, NYR, LA, Detroit, St Louis (if they get new ownership), and Boston could all make it work and give Iggy a shot at the cup. I just don't see Pittsburgh making the cap work and having an attractive package for the Flames.  Some starting points could be:

    NYR: Kreider
    WAS: 11th, 16th
    LA: Bernier, Toffoli
    DET: Smith, Jurco
    STL: Tarasenko, Rattie
    BOS: Hamilton

    Obviously there would have to be other pieces involved but those would be good starting points. Hamilton / Kreider might be pipe dreams as I doubt their current organizations would move them.

    To me St. Louis is an interesting option assuming they can get ownership figured out. They have a lot of young forwards so trading one or two to get a veteran of Iginla's quality wouldn't hurt the organization much long term. Plus the thought of Baertschi and Rattie on the same line in Calgary makes me smile (39 points in 8 WHL playoff games).

  38. reinjosh says:

    No kidding. I wonder what he did to have that. 

    And yeah, a pissed off Weber is a nightmare for them, provided he's still playing. If he gets suspended, he's not doing much good for Nashville. I wonder if Bab***** will get Kronwall, Bertuzzi, Holmstrom to start trying to push him over the edge and snap again and do something stupid.
    Nashville can burn you in so many ways. They don't get enough credit for their skill guys but Erat, Hornqvist, AK, Legwand are all very skilled guys. Add in Radulov and you have a team deep offensively that has more than one guy capable of making you pay. I particularly love how much Detroit gets riled by Hornqvist. Not sure what he did to get them so pissed off but they do not like him.
    I bet heavily on Vancouver winning in my pool. I think LA may be more a challenge than I let on. With Quick they always have a chance to win but they have guys that thrive in the playoffs. Richards particularly should scare Vancouver. I still think Vancouver will win once Sedin gets back, but it won't be easy. 
  39. TheLeafNation91 says:

    I went to the game…Believe it or not, unreal atmosphere.

  40. reinjosh says:

    Oh I believe it. I've wanted to go to a game there for sometime now. Nashville's done a great job of creating a great atmosphere of fans. I love their fans, 

  41. albertateams says:

    I've been to 2 games in Nashville this year. Both times great atmosphere and packed house. Fans are not as knowledgable as other rinks but they know how to get into a game and have a good time. They use a lot of college football cheers its pretty entertaining.

  42. reinjosh says:

    Here's an interesting look at all 30 NHL team draft habits over the past 5 years. It's not a conclusive pattern or anything but its an interesting look. 

    Some interesting notes. Only the Isles and Kings have drafted more OHLers than the Leafs. 
    The Sens drafted the most Swedes, with 8. 
    Calgary and Edmonton drafted the most WHLers with 14 to Clagary and 11 to Edmonton. 
    The Canadies, Panthers, Blue Jackets and Blackhawks drafted the most USA hockey program players. 
    For a team that often draws the "Russian" label, Washington hasn't taken too many players out of Russia. While they do lead teh pack, they only have three in teh past 5 years, with the Pantehrs, Kings and Rangers tying them.
    The Oilers and Wild drafted the most Finns with 4 each. 
  43. nordiques100 says:

    The reason Buffalo had just Joel Armia as the only Euro was because they have gone with video scouting the last several years and probably had a bare bones staff in Europe. That's changed now supposedly with ownership now willing to spend, but I bet that's why they pretty well ignored Europe.

    I think the new Habs regime will change their draft ways. More canadians for sure is what I expect. Not necessarily french-canadians, but definitely less from the US ranks. I remember back in the late 80s to Mid 90s they couldn't not take a player from the WHL. Brett Bilodeau, David Wilkie, Terry Ryan, Matt Higgins, Turner Stevenson, Lindsay Vallis, the list goes on.

    The Hawks drafted a lot of college kids because they ran out of contract space with all those trades they made after their cup win. With only 50 contracts available, they appeared to go to the US and find more players in college because they won't need to be signed until they graduate at the latest. OHLers for example need to be signed after 2 years from being picked.

    i dont blame the Flames or Oilers for doing what they do. It may be overkill but if they get players from that area, they may be more apt to stay there in Alberta.

  44. nordiques100 says:

    Sutter and the Flames part ways. Perfect time for this organization to start fresh. Really fresh.

    New coach, new captain, new goalie, new direction. 
    This organization needs it. When they were great in the 80s, it was their drafting and development that led the way. They need to get back to that. 
    They probably don't want to do an Edmonton, but i rather have Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakubov with some real hope down the line than a patchwork Flames team with less than a handful of prospects and 3 straight missed playoffs.
  45. lafleur10 says:

    i just wanted to say congrulations to albertateams for winning the draft lottery,i hope you guys enjoy nail yakupov!

  46. FlamingHomer says:

    I hope you are right but now that it looks like Calgary is getting a new coach, Iginla is likely staying for the time being.

  47. albertateams says:

    Edmonton's luck is truly incredible. The rebuild is successful in spite of management incompetence. Drafting 1st overall three years in a row is insanely lucky.

  48. lafleur10 says:

    yeah and it's going to pay off in spades, the oilers are going to be a very dynamic offensive machine and will wel on their way to being a cup contender very,very soon,they will get their defenceman and goaltender too,and when they do they'll be lethal!

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